Nvidia slams Intel: says ARM supercomputer may be more efficient

[VenatorFX2012]

Hey GeckoDude2010 Don't bother with this Guy, Imagination Technologies is Faster, Plus Die size of ATI 7000 Series is smaller than Kepler Lineup! Giving Him spec fasts on the net! This Dude looks like a Like your car kinda stuff from Boogie Nights to start things up!This is the type of guy that likes to cough and fart simultaneously at a convention! later man no more interesting facts!

[abram730]

@VenatorFX2012 Charlie Demerjian, has always praised AMD and held Nvidia to the fire. He claims the replacement for the 560, the gk104 is on a smaller die and beating the 7970. Well I have doubts they'll call it a 660 and run it against a 7870 if that is true. AMD costumers would revolt and demand refunds if they did that.

I guess we will see if it has 1536 CUDA cores and is on a smaller die.

Is English your second language?

[VenatorFX2012]

@abram730 Nvida's Wafers Are to Large 500M.M. vs. 380M.M.! You don't quote any website dudes are you a joke? AMD had the Tek Lead with its ThunderBird Core-Athlon XP-Athlon FX series from 2000-2006 before Intel Released its Intel Core Duo, was cheaper to produce! AMD could have some driver dates that speed up performance in the works 10-15% I'd be careful before you call AMD out of exectution! By June AMD could have more faster proccessors out to lower the price 1/2cycle ahead of Nvidia!

[abram730]

@GeckoDude2010 Sterne Agree is probably just being short sighted(Q1 desktops bad for Nvidia), although the timing seems a bit odd relating to other news and the sharp rise of NVDA shares.

Their excessive use of the word catalyst, was a bit funny.

Tegra 3 is demonstrating dynamic task migration, and that is a step away from dynamically shifting compute to the cloud.

Investors should understand what is going on, but they rarely do. They never make it past the buzz words.

[VenatorFX2012]

@abram730 Seems Imagination Technologies Mobile Chip is Hitting 100GigaFlops and 1TerraFlop later on, Tegra 3 doesn't hit 100 GigaFlop Proccessing Power! Nvidia also needs to Die Shrink its Chip Size Wafer too Big vs. AMD with Maxwell! AMD has a 4Month Product Cycle Edge vs. Nvidia!

[abram730]

@VenatorFX2012 Is Imagination Technologies counting programmable GigaFlops? Sony and Microsoft calculated everything on their consoles and started claiming teraFLOPS of power on their GPU's.

Nvidia only lists programmable power and doesn't include HW specific calculations

Apples to Oranges.

They are using a smaller die on their 60's if leaks are correct. The larger die for high end extends into HPC and has high profits.

[abram730]

@GeckoDude2010 Reaching out to the HPC community was a smart move on Nvidia's part. Not just for the revenue, but also the know how and feedback from a community composed of the brightest minds. AMD is following Nvidia in. Linking high end desktop and HPC is helpful and will yield good CPU acceleration. You can end up with a very flexible chip because you can dynamically shift computing resources based on task without the bottlenecks.

[abram730]

@GeckoDude2010 Basic GPGPU issues should be addressed with GCN. Both corps have a good future. I think the shared vision and good competition is a long term strength. I do think Intel has bigger long term issues as GPU's are gaining performance so much faster then CPU's. The demanding math most people need power for, can be done with GPU's and DX11.1 makes them more independent.

An i7-980 does something like 50-60 billion operations vs trillions. The door is there.

[VenatorFX2012]

Well ARM got pretty riled up with Intel, but Rumours Announced on Xbitlabs that Power PC got the Xbox 720 Contract with AMD Radeon! Kinda Wonder IF they are Armed at Intel or Look more Like Armacham From F.e.a.r. Series? Leaves a lot of Q's when you fire warning shots but no walk-off with the Xbox720 Contract! Nvidia has Delays on Kepler too and firing shots at Intel, Might Be time for a Knights Ferry move or Larabee! Seems Imagination Technologies Rogue Series going for the Kill!

[abram730]

@VenatorFX2012 Well I guess Microsoft will need to recode kinectfusion then.. It's coded in CUDA.. lol

Yep, the software for the next xbox is coded for Nvidia GPU's.. haha

Kepler is going to embarrass AMD.. There are some AMD cheerleaders that have seen it.. They concede defeat... Strongly..

[VenatorFX2012]

@abram730 Nvidia released an article about Cuda being open source on Rage3D, what do you think that means man? AMD has a faster Spec lined up with Sapphire, go and check out techpowerup! AMD can drop the price, since it mentioned its Boards have gotten cheaper to produce or release a dual board solution to compete that cheaper such as a 7830x2 etc..! 100million sales of DX11 GPU and 30Million Fusion DX11 sales looks too monsterish!

[abram730]

@VenatorFX2012 Could Support CUDA or is supporting? With the "7830x2", you know what I'm talking about. You seem to know more then most. New node, new core, new architecture, and thus new drivers. Is it really a surprise? Fermi wasn't exactly a smooth landing for Nvidia and AMD isn't pushing hard at all, it's got 20% more as is.

So I hear AMD isn't competing with Intel.. Perhaps this is an answer to that. Same direction, same vision, same 800 pound Intel in the room.

[VenatorFX2012]

@abram730 You Joking Man AMD has some Nice Options to compete with Nvidia is all I'm saying possibly, with the 3870 Series they stacked them x2 to compete if needed! AMD has some New Trinity Proccessor coming out this year with 7600Series APU's A10 Series, and 4-8Cores with Intergrated 7600DX11 with its upgrade to Orochi-Bulldozer! Seems Competitive enough with those upgrades go and check out techpowerup website! Intel's Not bringing Haswell until Next year March-April2013 stated so far!

[abram730]

@VenatorFX2012 "You Joking Man" I was saying that you know what information I was referencing as your "7830x2" fit what I hadn't said. Competitive? yes. The GCN based parts will be a big jump. If AMD does a high end product beating Intel by orders of magnitude general consistence will change drastically. That will require more memory bandwidth and some of the improvements in the pipe. Why settle for just Competitive?

[abram730]

@VenatorFX2012 The reality is that AMD marketed an APU before it was even invented and I tend to think like Bill Hicks in regards to marketing.. So like 2014-2015 same as Nvidia? As to Nvidia vs AMD it depends on the time of the year.. It's a good competition. When was the last time AMD had the fastest X86-64?

There is an opening to change the game and 800 pound gorillas aren't so light on their feet if you get what I'm saying. As in "Fusion is the future."

[VenatorFX2012]

@abram730 Athlon-FX Series is the answer to that question! A8 APU hits an ICore-5 in terms of performance, and a A-10 APU could surpass the 4core Icore-7 possibly or compete similar specs with a lower price! AMD has really given good performance/price hard to complain when you buy in bulk! Fusion Seems Future with Arm Core add-ons to the APU in 2013 vs. Haswell 2013! AMD has a good roadmap for future releases! Die of 7000series is smaller than Kepler and costs less to produce! Why Complain?

[abram730]

@VenatorFX2012 There are 2 ways to look at GCN as a processor.. There is the DX11.1 way when latency isn't such a big issue and large frames or blocks of data can be used as is being done. That can be improved with interconnect and 2 way communication. The second is scalable instructions, like an expandable AVX.

Supporting all things parallel and pushing OpenMP.. could untilt the table for AMD.

[VenatorFX2012]

@abram730 GPGPU Instructions Seem to give AMD a 20%boost when Gpu is used to help out the CPU! AMD is working on future products to take care of latency issues to speed things up man! Combing GPU & CPU Cache Fetching to improve latency to get them more synchronized! Road map on techpowerup shows what tweaks AMD has in store 2012-2014! GPGPU seems to be catching on and North Carolina Programmers are working on tweaks! DX DirectCompute & GPGPU is the Future man along with Cloud Computing!

[abram730]

@VenatorFX2012 "GPGPU Instructions Seem to give AMD a 20%boost when Gpu is used to help out the CPU!"

"GPUs Are Only Up To 14 Times Faster than CPUs” says Intel"

500% wouldn't be unexpected when all is said and done for highly integrated tasks. GCN is less bursty and with more memory bandwidth in a higher TDP.

Heterogeneous MPSoC is really going to take off, pushed by, perf per watt in low power mobile, server, and HPC.

[RKTGX95]

finally first !