No passagio with Appoggio or unique way to avoid voice inconsistancy

[justinblazer]

Mister Tenelli, are the concepts for appogio applicable for all vocal types? As I am a Countertenor, I am having a bit of difficulty singing with an open larynx and appogio. I would really be glad to hear your reply. My voice instructor is having difficulty because, as he said, I am his first countertenor student and, probably, concepts for vocal techniques might be different for countertenors..

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

@justinblazer No, appoggio concet doesn't apply to countertenors, though one should support voice anyway. I have never worked with countertenors, so I have no experience to tell you. According to some theory Counter-tenors are not tenors, they are falsetists.

Falsetto is managed in general by "sul fiato" technique not by active (Ballanced)diaphragm

[masterassassin1]

This is simply brilliant. I had no idea what method I was using but now I know I've been using covering for high stuff. Are there an exercises you would suggest in order to be able to basically do what you did and sing the high notes with no clench and with a clear open sound using appogio?

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

@masterassassin1 sure, first exercise is patience:)

Appoggio builds up one registral singing, e.g. no breaks or inconsistancy in voice by using dynamic support. Watch my appoggio step by step on my blog.

[RADAMES1983]

thanks!

A very good and clear example.

As i hear it, singers like Giacomini are using the covering, and lets say that Di Stefano is an example to the total opposite.

I love them both... :)

[ruy883]

Buonasera. potrebbe in futuro postare qualcosa in italiano?Mi interesserebbe

[aaroncaruso]

Ragazzi....appoggio has 2 g's!

[Arythmnmaker1]

Fantastic information!!!!!! Obviously, you are the Maestro.

Your insight is quite profound....... Truly you have acquired great experiences that allow you to teach principles that so-called vocal teachers and vocal coaches have No clue. Unfortunately, so much wasted time and effort by the poor uniformed student seeking to find simplicity in his training. This understanding is unavailable anywhere else on Youtube, to the best of my knowledge. Your ability to demonstrate speaks for itself.

[rovingdesertfox]

Beautiful demo:  The first open sound is amazingly consistent and pleasing to the ear. Second sounds labored even though I'm sure it isn't for you.

[davidsreidy]

Hello it is great to find your channel. I am a vocal coach and use a combination of the Bel Canto method and speech level singing. I am really interested in how the open throat method works with the basic physiology of the voice and the required air pressure needed to allow the vocal folds to vibrate (The Bernoulli Effect and Myoelastic Dynamic Effect) correctly to create a sound which can then be used in the resonating chambers and with the articulatory mechanism??

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

@davidsreidy if you go to my McGill lectures(here on my channel) I go more into basic physiology:)

Bel Canto technique was used as empirical method with little science involved and based primerly on support, consistancy and mostly sound itself.

In openthroat-appogio approach I use more science to understand how it realy works but mainly teach empiricaly. Sound is my material:)

Natural speaking habbits are used only with those students who prior to singing have natural resonance in their artic

[elic2real]

I'm following you so far with appogio 100% support eliminating register breaks and the need to use placement techniques as a crutch. But a slightly covered sound...sounds better, much better than a fully open sound on a high note. And this is demonstrated by Pavarotti numerous times. By my ears covering after the passagio or creating a darker timbre makes the sound more smooth and more free sounding a too open sound can sound strained.

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

@elic2real confusion with covering and rounding sounds are frequent.

Covering is a concious modification or distortion of the vowels in order to reduce forsing.e.g. "A" is turned into "OO"

Round or noble sounds(mentioned by Pavarotti) are the results of stable low larinx position along with appogio technique supporting it.

They also sound kind of modified(not as heavily as real modified ones) but that modification is an pure illusion.

So:round yes, modified no

[thekaliko]

I'm not understanding placement and why it clashes with appogio. Can a singer balance the two techniques?

Are there any benefits to passagio technique over appogio (can one afford more range with passagio approach)? If not, then why do singers use it?

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

@thekaliko what I call appogio is a technique that based on 100% support, therefore only one placement is used:natural. Sure there are some pro-singers that using combination of these two and they are big majority. Less the 10% of pro singers know how to use appogio. Passagio, head voice, chest voice as registers are all inventions of personal sensations. Appogio t. doesn't separate by registers. Appogio provides voice with an absolute consistant tember while placement separates voice on registe

[thekaliko]

@TenelliVoiceGuru thank you for responding

[RocktheStageNYC]

@marywardify - SBGalt's approach is a good one but man does he put me to sleep.

[RocktheStageNYC]

@marywardify - Thanks ALOT. That means so much to me. I watched many videos on singing on YouTube before I started posting and hated 95% of them. (don't get me started on ExpertVillage) Maestro Tenelli's's & Eric's videos inspired me with my approach. I tried to make the complicated easy to grasp and execute by yourself.

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

sure, placement technique is the main stream voice technique of today.

as for Kraus, I'd disagree that he used placement technique himself. He used a lot of so called mask resonance but his voice sounded always consistant that would contradict lows of phisics(accoustics) if he had used placement technique. He may tought it, like most of the teachers today.

Placement t. divides voice in registers, period. Why take it and later change it, what's the point?

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

Thank you:) subjective are only personal sensations and taste

as for voice instruments who sing with only one, whole register cannot have larinx switch because it's accousticaly(phisicaly) impossible to maintain unchanged tone quality.

You are right, everybody has to find his own sensations to reach the goal but if you start with placement school you will end up with placement school because one cannot constantly think of technique, technique should go subconcious if you are pro.

[steakopera]

I used to think covering was stylish and makes my voice more exciting because it makes my voice more colorful. This not only causes break in the passagio but it also makes harder to reach high notes. However, I don't think the singers should intentionally avoid covering completely. Covering may occur even with appogio technique. It depends on the tessitura and the dynamic of the music. What you think? Franco.

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

some singers and even teachers mix covering technique with "round sound" technique, let me make it clear:)

Covering is vowel modification(ex. one sings "O" opr "ou" instead of "A"

"Round sound" is a technique of a darker then usual open vowels like "A" or any... based on lower position of the larinx but with absolutly natural articulation

"Covering" provides much better support then open white sound and healthier then W.S.

but covering still creates inconsistancy in passagio

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

as for higher the passagio notes, they all sound round and there is no difference in singing "A" or "EE" or any other vowel.

some singers, who have great diction, are able to make us believe they are singing a particular vowel on a B flat, but that's just an illusion. All vowels sound the same after certain pitch(higher the Aflat for tenors)

that's not just my observation, that's a scientific fact, proved by voice accousticians in the lab researches

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

I meant higher then passagio...

[RocktheStageNYC]

This is exactly what I teach my students in modern voice technique. Proper breath compression eliminates register breaks or passagio because all that air support causes the vocal cords to compress and stay closed.

Once proper strength in the cords and consistent breath compression is achieved, one can sing without passagio breaks at a much lower volume.

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

I'm happy that rock singers taking the same approach, approach of natural placement singing, using support only:)

in Classical singing there are many prejudices based on opinions of the past teachers and singers. Singing technique becomes almost a religion and trusting one's teacher's suggestion on how to feel this or that is abolutly useless-sound should be the only judge.

[RocktheStageNYC]

Yes I know what you mean about some people seeing their singing technique as religion. It is hard for them to question technique of they make it that personal to themselves.

With proper breath compression the voice does what it is designed to do naturally and without the singer having to think about "placing" the sound here or there.

[GermanOperaSinger]

Covering never worked for me. I got my high notes through what you refer to as 'placement technique'. I divided my registers and trained them separately, then combined them. The results are beyond satisfactory. I've not tried your appogio technique.

[operagladiator]

the most beautiful tenor voices had no register division(Caruso,Gigli, Bjorling). did they use appogio?

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

Enrico Caruso was the first singer we know who had no registral division, no passagio and he achieved that almost by himself. He refused to teach and recomended other famous singers to avoid teaching unless they realy loved doing it .

Gigli had the same appogio aproach and was the first singer who realised that.

When asked how does he "cover" his voice, he answered:

"I don't cover, I just have a very good support"

[johndabomb44]

Covering makes singing harder for me, as long as I keep my throat open like you did the first demonstration, its not as hard to control.

[TenelliVoiceGuru]

One doesn't need to cover, but in the case of an open throat position, tension that comes on passagio intervals and higher should be ballanced with appogio otherwise it's dangerous to sing high notes.

Open throat works perfectly only with perfect support(appogio)

[robertocasitenore]

Grazie!! Le tue lezioni sono molto importanti per me!!

Roberto.