I've taken one C++ course before while I was studying for a degree in Electrical Engineering after taking that course I've been toying with the idea of doing programming. Anyways, I'm curious about how this was programmed exactly, is there anyway I can get a copy of the code for this?
@guitarism1021 It was programmed in java. I don't have the code but honestly you don't need it. It is just a few lines of code. Just recreate the algorithm that I describe in the video.
these are random generated letter that are place in the box,s box 1 a-z
box 2 a-z box-3 a-z
is it possible to see what pc 1 is out puting then take that info and manually in put it into pc 2 then could pc 2 know where pc 1 is going and what pc 1s next out put would be before it comes out
I am sad to see so many comments of people who can not make the connection of unlikeness of a chain of zeroes with the unlikeness of a human or life for that matter. Actually, by the magnitude numbers used the chain of zeroes is more unlikely, "more complex" so to speak than a chain of human genome.
This is a very good argument for evolution. But God still could have created the universe and evolution still could have happened. But since there's no one who was there at the beginning, there's no sense in arguing about it. This is a very good example of evolution (especially to someone who's never read a thing about it).
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Could you please make a simulation of this. I put some glass in a box and some metal and plastic. shake it for a million years, (lots of iteration in your elegant loops). and then you open the box and see a Lexus car. what are the chances of that happening.
That is an obvious argument. And also the reason I emphasized that the evolutionary process is implicit in nature. It is a natural byproduct of systems with mutation replicators subject to selective pressures.
Also, technically, speaking, I did not design the program to evolve -it did that on its own. I only programmed it to share abstract features with nature. The evolution that took place was a consequence of that.
Do you mean that the complexity of an array of zero's approaches the complexity of a human being? This piece of code doesn't prove anything, it's just a model (no offense btw)
A natural disaster would be represented by some percentage chance that an animal or group of animals is killed. Implementing this wouldn't really change anything. It is just as likely that unfit animals are killed. Even if the best is killed, this will be a minor glitch and the population will still tend towards better fit individuals.
There is also the thing that people live in different parts of the world, the chance of the exact same thing happening in all the places in unison isn't as common as it seems...
There's one important thing you forgot though, God! :D
Segregating into separate populations that only breed only the edges of the geographical areas might actually speed up the evolutionary process. It stands to reason that with multiple populations and multiple environments there will be more diverse strategies evolved, improving the odds that a better strategy will be developed, or that combining strategies will result in a superior individual.
I wonder how many "christians" or "creationists" will understand or even take the time to examine your example.
Most "christians" have NEVER taken the time to actually read their "bible" (that best selling book they "believe" in).
Oddly, most atheists, the folks who will study this experiment and understand what you're presenting, HAVE read the bible. That's how they know it's bullshit.
And you could make the "most fit" number change too, to simulate changing environment or make different areas with different number, leading to speciation.
I've taken one C++ course before while I was studying for a degree in Electrical Engineering after taking that course I've been toying with the idea of doing programming. Anyways, I'm curious about how this was programmed exactly, is there anyway I can get a copy of the code for this?
guitarism1021 1 year ago
@guitarism1021 It was programmed in java. I don't have the code but honestly you don't need it. It is just a few lines of code. Just recreate the algorithm that I describe in the video.
neotropic9 1 year ago
cool video do u think its possible and can u write it thank u mark
manattan342 1 year ago
i was wondering if u can help me with a question
i came up with an idea lets say there are two pc's ,in pc 1 there are three box's that are out putting letter from a-z
box=f
box=r
box=w
the next set of boxs
box=h
box=l
box=x
manattan342 1 year ago
these are random generated letter that are place in the box,s box 1 a-z
box 2 a-z box-3 a-z
is it possible to see what pc 1 is out puting then take that info and manually in put it into pc 2 then could pc 2 know where pc 1 is going and what pc 1s next out put would be before it comes out
manattan342 1 year ago
I am sad to see so many comments of people who can not make the connection of unlikeness of a chain of zeroes with the unlikeness of a human or life for that matter. Actually, by the magnitude numbers used the chain of zeroes is more unlikely, "more complex" so to speak than a chain of human genome.
orcodrilo 2 years ago
This is a very good argument for evolution. But God still could have created the universe and evolution still could have happened. But since there's no one who was there at the beginning, there's no sense in arguing about it. This is a very good example of evolution (especially to someone who's never read a thing about it).
IncludeGod 2 years ago
Try simulating a breed of real organisms.. and tell me how you're going to determine the fitness
Roelzzz 2 years ago
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Could you please make a simulation of this. I put some glass in a box and some metal and plastic. shake it for a million years, (lots of iteration in your elegant loops). and then you open the box and see a Lexus car. what are the chances of that happening.
bakhtn 3 years ago
Darwin answered that 'argument' in the Origin of Species. Look up Paley...
Please come back when you know what you're talking about.
kthx
jeffreyser 3 years ago
try to create a simple insect with your java program.
bakhtn 3 years ago
Creator of this is more computer than nature oriented, thus the result is not impressive.
Granvik 3 years ago
I don't understand your point.
neotropic9 3 years ago
wow this is great! its so simple a virtual simulation of evolution.
Only the Really Fucking Stupid Creationists are even trying to argue this one.
It's rock solid.
dackjaniels555 3 years ago
I've argued with something similar with a few Creationists. Here's what they'll say:
"The fact that you had to program it to get it to work is proof that there must be a designer."
smalltownatheist 3 years ago
That is an obvious argument. And also the reason I emphasized that the evolutionary process is implicit in nature. It is a natural byproduct of systems with mutation replicators subject to selective pressures.
Also, technically, speaking, I did not design the program to evolve -it did that on its own. I only programmed it to share abstract features with nature. The evolution that took place was a consequence of that.
neotropic9 3 years ago
Do you mean that the complexity of an array of zero's approaches the complexity of a human being? This piece of code doesn't prove anything, it's just a model (no offense btw)
Roelzzz 2 years ago
But the best doesn't always get through, you didn't take into mind things like natural disasters.
Still, explanation wasn't too bad.
damage2 3 years ago
A natural disaster would be represented by some percentage chance that an animal or group of animals is killed. Implementing this wouldn't really change anything. It is just as likely that unfit animals are killed. Even if the best is killed, this will be a minor glitch and the population will still tend towards better fit individuals.
neotropic9 3 years ago
There is also the thing that people live in different parts of the world, the chance of the exact same thing happening in all the places in unison isn't as common as it seems...
There's one important thing you forgot though, God! :D
damage2 3 years ago
Segregating into separate populations that only breed only the edges of the geographical areas might actually speed up the evolutionary process. It stands to reason that with multiple populations and multiple environments there will be more diverse strategies evolved, improving the odds that a better strategy will be developed, or that combining strategies will result in a superior individual.
neotropic9 3 years ago
*Whoops*, I've been out-debated. I'll just run out now.
Still, you forget God...
damage2 3 years ago
No, I am God.
neotropic9 3 years ago
That's your belief.
damage2 3 years ago
Even if you where to add another variable of "random death" of one entity in a population of 20 each generation, the species would still THRIVE.
it would take more generations to achieve perfection but it would inevitably happen eventually in a sound virtual reality.
computers are the way to go with this! they are so much more LOGICAL that humans!
dackjaniels555 3 years ago
Are there only 79 electrons in the universe?
Sorry, just messing. Great video
zweefvlieg 3 years ago
Yea, i know. 10^79 is what I meant, of course.
neotropic9 3 years ago
Brilliant, THANK you for running this program. Really was cool to see it play out like that.
Osire 3 years ago
Excellent ! I get it & understand.
I wonder how many "christians" or "creationists" will understand or even take the time to examine your example.
Most "christians" have NEVER taken the time to actually read their "bible" (that best selling book they "believe" in).
Oddly, most atheists, the folks who will study this experiment and understand what you're presenting, HAVE read the bible. That's how they know it's bullshit.
t4705mb6 3 years ago
so please pass the code already.
AtheistCitizen 3 years ago
Yeah, but they're STILL NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, my brain cut out for a second.
TomSFox 3 years ago
Nice video Neotropic.
A little side-note though - Instead of saying 'Best one' it would be slightly more scientific saying 'Most adapted'.
Thanks for a great video.
Athaeus 3 years ago
cool.... 5 stars
alucard9692005 3 years ago
Very interesting.
where have you been man?, seems like it has been ages since I saw a video from you?.
Peace,
joebot1 3 years ago
Nice.
And you could make the "most fit" number change too, to simulate changing environment or make different areas with different number, leading to speciation.
Saukko31 3 years ago
There is much you can do. This model doesn't even use sexual selection, which would have sped up the process.
You can use this process to evolve solutions to real problems as well. I didn't feel like doing that this time.
neotropic9 3 years ago