The Butler Act, prohibiting the teaching of evolution in Tennessee schools, wasn't repealed until 1967. And even now, in other states, evolution is coming under fire from backwards elements in society. Is man's ego so great and inflexible, he refuses to admit his origins in the face of overwhelming evidence? Thanks for the great clip from this great movie!
Now in reality, it was justified that the judge didnt allow Clarence Darrow expert witnesses. Bringing those scientists as expert witnesses was irrelevant to the case. GOOD CALL JUDGE!!! ^ ^
I love this so much! It gives me chills... beautifully delivered, and I'm in complete agreement with what he is saying. It makes me want to watch the movie! Thank you for sharing!
@amerikannadigamagu After you watch it, go to WalMart and spend 10 bucks on this one and find out what really historically happened: allegedthemovie-dot-com/
Watch what he says from 1:33 seconds into the clip until the end. And now realize that they've made it a crime to teach intelligent design. So in essence, the thing that argues for evolution's sake actually came true for intelligent design... scary ironic. So it is not the freedom of ideas that these people want, it is the squashing of intelligent design.
@Boodle545 If god came to you were certain that it was him and not some trick of Satan and he told you that you could do whatever you want and still get to heaven. Kill, rape, steal, etc. Would you do those things? If you say no, then congratulations you've just learned how someone without religious beliefs can be moral. People are good or bad in spite of religion, not because of it.
@Boodle545 Yes.Creationism simply isn't factual,hence it should not be taught as fact.Especially at the expense of the truth(as was the case in the Scopes trial).
@Boodle545 That creationism is so patently stupid and false that any efforts to impose it onto our youth must be met with moral and political revulsion.
Atheist do not have to prove the non-existence of god- it is a law of Logic that you don't prove a negative. The theists are the ones who make the claims of a god thus they are the ones who have the burden of proof.
Atheist do not have to prove the non-existence of god- it is a law of Logic that you on;t prove a negative. The theists are the ones who make the claims of a god thus they are the ones who have the burden of proof.
everyone has the right to believe what they choose... but for me, i would rather believe and live my life like there is a God, and find out there isn't, than to live my life like there isn't and find out there IS...
@DeeLuc626 That's known as Pascal's Wager. I once thought I'd try that, but I realized any being worthy of being called God would be able to see through that.
I agree with your comments. If it turns out I`m wrong in my belief in God,then I have nothing to lose.-If I`m right I have gained Eternity. However my faith is much more than a wager. I love and serve The Lord. My hope of salvation is what gets me through the bad times. Lorraine
religion is based on FAITH, no "proof" is required... atheists believe that everything was created by nothing... THAT is more illogical than belief in any God!
Harry Morgan, who played the Judge is still alive today. (He's better known as Col. Potter from MASH or Gannon from Dragnet)... This is a great scene.
Last I checked, it has never been the Christians who were putting falsified science into textbooks. When you have to support your ends by lies, what does that say about your ends? The bible is full of testimony, proven and validated by science which is being unethically delegitimized and replaced with the lies of atheism and/or evolution. As is most often the case, all of this is justified in the eyes of the one whos intentional or unintentional underlying motive: communism.
This story isn't about God, it's about the oppression of religious fanatics and their blind followers who demand control over your mind (much like the Taliban).
It's hard to prove something DOESN"T exsist....I could say the Easter Bunny is real, and task you to DISPROVE it....could you? That doesn't mean I am right in belief in a myth....Oh and I always end a religious argument with "Oooga Booga, the Volcano God is angry"....Superstition has cost many lives.
Look there is no way to say who is right... i cant prove to an atheist that god exists and he cant prove there is no god... and hello Einstein believed in intelligent design evolution caused by a higher being was he not a thinking man?
@myendoftheline You can prove that god exists, or that he doesn't, or rather you can prove that certain formal definitions of him are possible or aren't.
Einstein was a thinking man so he did not say he knew his god existed.
@myendoftheline But God is rejected in matters of science, because Creationist models that say that a supernatural being created the species cannot be tested becayse they are non-falsifiable.
@SmervinMervin24 well there is no way of testing evolution at all because if it occured over a period of millions of years how can we test it at all??
@myendoftheline It is possible for evolution to occur through mutation. Very unlikely, but possible. And there is evidence for evolution in the fossil record, they're called transitional forms.
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Someone please answer me this question because I'm a bit confused: Atheists don't believe in a God or gods. So they're basically saying they can prove he does not exist?
I'm thinking that Atheists are taking this by faith, no? Someone clarify please
@SmervinMervin24 "A person doesn't need absolute and perfect certainty in order to be either an atheist or a theist. What should be required, however, are very good reasons for whatever direction a person goes. For atheists, those reasons are at the very least the failure of theists to make a good enough case for either theism generally or any specific form of theism to warrant adoption."
@SmervinMervin24 In short, you can say that the ring on my finger gives me good luck. I say there is no proof to support that. It's not up to me to prove ridiculous theories that have no basis in reality.
@SmervinMervin24 They just don't care about religion or some are more seriouse and are certain there is no god. I think, if there is mind there is god....think about it lol
@SmervinMervin24 To prove the non-existence of a being , that being's existence would primarily need to be established, which, of course, would render the initial task beyond possibility. Both tasks are, however, according to all human sentient experience, beyond previous possibility . I would conclude that atheists need not be called upon to prove the non-existence of something whose existence has not been established.
@SmervinMervin24 Of course no one can prove that a higher power/ intelligence exists in another part of the galaxy or in another galaxy entirely. However if that higher power exists it is limited even prohibited by the laws of science and physics from interacting with us in any meaningful way. So now we are left with God being the unknown or unexplainable which can be shown to be understood through investigation and experimentation. So in the end we are left with nothing.
@SmervinMervin24 A number of atheists aren't saying they can prove he doesn't exist. But no matter how much you twist words, you cannot follow any religion without disregarding all others and believing yours to be true. There for, the way a number of Atheists see it is that all religions are fake because each claim themselves to be true, even when they have no similarities whatsoever (Christians believe in God, Shintoists believe in Kami!)
@SmervinMervin24 I am nauseated by the many, ironically enough, self-righteous atheists out there. But, I think I should defend their position a bit here. Many don't believe in God because they feel there is no evidence. It's not fair to say they have to "prove" God doesn't exist. Most people don't believe that our tongues freeze time when we're asleep, then detach and play poker with other tongues every night. They can't "prove" it. They just don't see a reason to believe it.
@SmervinMervin24 An atheist doesn't believe in god because they have no reason to believe in god. There are many more things people have no reason to believe in, like ghosts, or vampires. How would you go about proving that those don't exist?
@SmervinMervin24 - Non-Santa-Clausists believe in Santa Claus. So they're basically saying they can prove he does not exist? Can you prove Santa Claus does not exist?
@SmervinMervin24 Those proposing a belief in God or gods are making claims. They are at the very least saying a God or gods exist. Many who accept the claim of a particular God or gods do not accept the claims made by others about a different set of god(s). An atheist is one who has not accepted the claims made for any god(s). Think of a god you accept the claim for. Think about all the gods you don't accept. Why is your's special? Do you think it is justified over a belief in Odin or Zeus?
@SmervinMervin24 You could say that atheists don't have faith in a God or belief system. They don't need proof that one doesn't exist, but they conclude that there is not enough evidence that one does exist. The word "belief" and "faith" is tossed around a lot, so people of faith often conclude that atheists "believe" in nothing, so they still believe. This is incorrect. Atheists are people without belief. I would know, I am one.
@SmervinMervin24 I wont say that God has been proven or dissproven, no, .. . but I'd say that certain stuff in The Bible has been proven bullshit, yes.
@SmervinMervin24 theists claim there is god and atheists claim there is not, since theists provide the positive argument the burden of proof is theirs. Logically the only thing an atheist needs to do to disprove theism is to disprove the evidence presented by theism.
@SmervinMervin24 an atheist belives there is no god. it's a personal choice based on logic and intelect. Of course we can't prove there is no god in the same way a religion person acan't prove there is one. But if one choses to belive that there is an invisible, insubstantial, silent, old man that will juge you when you die, by all means belive. Just don't try to spreed it arround. OK?
@SmervinMervin24 Atheists don't have to prove anything....they're saying that based on what we know, there's nothing else out there....theists say that regardless of evidence, there is.
@gcnengineer You've missed my point... I don't need to prove there's a God because I'm not the one suggesting that he's there without evidence: Atheists simply say that based upon what we know, we can not discernibly say there is a God. The bottom line is, I am basing my theory on fact, and your is based on faith.
@Jumpincloud Actually, it seems as if you are missing my point. The "fact" is the big bang happened. That requires a causal agent. The evidence, it seems, weighs more heavily in my favor that something exists outside of time.
@gcnengineer You don't know for sure whether something exists outside of time: all you can say is that there is evidence supporting or not supporting it. And, btw, the Big Bang is NOT fact, however, there is great evidence to support it.
@Jumpincloud Sounds as if your ability to carry on a conversation about this matter is reduced to, "well I just don't know". Which of course, is what a atheist is. That is, a person who is certain that they can know nothing on such matters. That's for your time.
@Jumpincloud It's a person who is wise enough to REALIZE that an event such as the big bang, (if true) requires an outside casual agent, and is not stubborn enough to rather display ignorance than admit the evidence is against him (despite the rather lengthy sentence! lol).
@gcnengineer Yes, in response to this comment of yours: ""Atheists don't have to prove anything." Really. Prove how the big bang happened without a causal agent."
My point was that is a false dichotomy, you do not have to think that the big bang is the origin of the universe to be an atheist. Most atheists do accept the big bang theory as true though.
Technically, you are correct. The statement, "There is no God," is one of faith. However, this is not the position of reasonable people. Rather, the atheist position is, "I see no evidence of God." To say that there are no dragons is also a statement of faith. We can only say that we're pretty sure. It is the theist who must support his claimed certainty.
Of course, the words in a holy book are not meant to be taken literal. They're more of a book on how to live your life with good morals in mind. They do have some valuable lessons and just because one is an Atheist, doesn't mean he cannot read the Bible. And just because you are Christian or what have you, doesn't mean you can't read a bit of Darwin :)
Funny, I first watched this movie at school, a Catholic School. They taught us religion and what not, but it wasn't that, the fact that they taught us science, evolution, biology, all forms of science with no care for fanaticism towards illogical belief. I know it sounds crazy to hear evolution and religion taught at the same time, but they never pushed anything on us. People were free to believe what they want. It put a lot of my faith back into people and that the world is in human minds.
@fernfeyes Creationism is mentioned in classrooms all the time - there are classes which are devoted specifically to religion - but it's presented appropriately: as a basis for a single religion, which has no basis in logic or science.
@fernfeyes You can mention it. In religious studies. Not in a science class though. Science classes are for the teaching of science. Not the bronze age, desert dwelling, animal sacrificing, creations myths of primitives.
@fernfeyes It has always been a crime for the American government to promote a religion in the classroom. How about you go and read your constitution instead of the Bible.
@ibizarise And why you don't? And how much more silly is, that there should be a god, with same mental capabilities as us, around to create us. Who created god, then?
@tvpnbb God is the Alfa and Omega. The mistake of mankind is to thing God as a human beaing. God is everything. We don't have the mental capacity to even thing let alone understand the compexity of God. I think one day meybe we're alive, meybe we're dead, but one day meybe He will finaly show us why we are here.
Who created God ? i don't know but i know what God created. You and me and he gave someone the ideea to make youtube so we mey have this talk. Even Newton admited that he was inspired
@ibizarise Lol? We have no real evidence of gods existence, juts a couple of lousy historical books, which portray the god as a megalomaniac mass-murderer, who is not nearly powerful enough to be so different from humankind, and most gods qualify as the same. if you mean some external, "other" god, there is no evidence of it, so there is no reason to believe. There are many transitional forms between humans and apes, which is a good proof of evolution.
@ibizarise Newton was more worried that people might learn he was an alchemist than that he had a male lover. Shows how Christian values change over the centuries. He also believed himself a prophet. That he believed in alchemy shows it is possible to be a genius in 1 field of endeavorer & a fool in another. U make some bold statements as to the nature of God. They are incompatible with statements made by other religious people. You claim to know God is the Alpha & Omega. How do you know this?
@ibizarise Like it or lump it. Evolution is proven as a scientific fact that is more robust than the theory of gravity. It is supported by observation, geology, DNA, palaeontology and medicine. Do you think that there had been a 150 year cabal of scientists getting together to fool the world.... including the Christian, Muslim and Jewish ones? You find the 150 year work of some of the worlds smartest minds unrealistic but believe the one about the clay, the rib and the talking snake?
@ibizarise U believe the bible version of creation as expressed in Genesis? Which 1, Genesis 1 or 2? They are different & incompatible, even though it is said that both books were written by Moses. He was quite old, did he have Alzheimer's because he clearly forgot what he had written the first time around. I would have thought that his good buddy Alpha Omega guy would have whispered in his ear he was making a bit of a prick of himself. We aren't made from clay or a clot of blood but star stuff.
@ibizarise For your sake i hope u are a troll.....The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike, you sir/madam are quite clearly of very low intelligence, for one such as yourself if a God did not already exist it would be necessary to invent him. I mean honestly how can u possibly dispute evolution being a FACT?...Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence, would you not agree??
@Sullivan858 Why am I of "very low intelligence" ? and why do you bealive you are more intelligent then me , becouse you bealive something and i bealive something else ? I see a lot of frustration here becouse i do not agree with evolution. I honestly don't care what you or anyone else bealives.
@ibizarise LOL are you that blind!? U sir are a grade a SHEEP!
Ill put it this way to you, that we are both atheists! I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours!...A very wise man once said ''Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense." In the 21st century this has ever been more true!
@Sullivan858 I understand your comment very well and you have a good point. I know in the past milleniums humanity worship and dissmisd many many gods. The ancind egypt gods, the Greek gods, the Roman gods and many others. I do not contest other gods or other religions, i'm not a fanatic. I just bealive in something bigger and more complex that we yet do not understand.
@ibizarise We did not come from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with apes. If you don't know the difference then I suggest you get get something beyond a middle school education.
@jaykia I did "get get" more than a middle school education.
Oh, now we did not come from monkyes. Now the monkye is our long lost cousin right ?
You know, it's easy to make anything sound ridiculous, but it's takes a greate mind to truly understand those things.
Mankind could not have been able to survive with out the help and guidance of the devine. Ther are some things that scients don't have an explination and the make up cute storyes, like the big bang theory
@ibizarise From this post alone it seems to me that you did not get a good education or did not pay attention in school. Your sentence structure is deplorable and you make loads of spelling mistakes. But back to the point. No one ever said we evolved from monkeys. No one except people who do not understand the concept like you. In fact I DARE you to find me one academic article that says we 'evolved from monkeys'. It does not exist and never has. In truth it is people like you that make up stuff
@jaykia Excuse me for not being english. Do you know another language ? And i think all my sentence are corect, meybe you need to pay more attention in school.
If you watch the full movie you will see that Henry Drummond (Spencer Tracy) is a bealiver.
@ibizarise 1. I am not English ether. 2. Yes I do know other languages. 3. No your sentences are not correct (by the way this is the right way to spell correct) so if you think they are right, I suggest you go back to school.
i can't wait till the last day on earth and everyone will see whats right and notice that everything the bibles says about the last days on earth is happening like all the floods and earthquakes and stuff.
Its very simple... IF you live in america you rights stop as soon as they infringe on another's rights PERIOD! you can make a club or a church or private organization and do this but as soon as you try and enforce anything outside that group your in the wrong and infringing on the rights of others therefore the law is unjust. There are two kind of laws just and unjust laws. if you dont agree with the last statement go read birmingham jail by MLK. Hitler or religion who killed more? ans: Religon
@MrErockHiphop Religion is an excuse used by psychotic dictators and homicidal lunatics to garner support for their cause. Wars are fought for power, land and resources. Politics has historically killed more people then all religions put together. People need to stop using religion to excuse their piss poor behavior.
@SuperQuantumMechanic HUH? Politics and religion are intertwined. and also there is something called cause and effect. You can't have politics on something that doesnt exist. so the cause of the politics of religion are religion...there for the cause all the people being killed. in other yes guns kill people but someone has to pull the trigger. and the correlation is religion. to your last statement Im sorry but if your trying to say people are using religion wrong. duh? not my fault
I read the book, and it said the trial was over. I din't get who won the case, maybe I misread it, but did Cates won the case, because in the book it said Brady died from a busted belly.Not sure. : ) Thanks.
@MyYummycookie In real life : Scopes lost the case but was only fined 100 dollars, they later said he wasn't guilty. William Jennings Bryan "Brady" died 3 days later.
the beauty of science is that nothing is 100 % truth unless its backed up by facts and proof unliek religion where laws where made thousands of years ago and as such they are no longer needed or fit to modern times,
Would you all, curtis1000 included, just shut up? This movie is about censorship and the sanctity of a man's right to think, not whether evolution is fact or religion is evil. The ultimate insult to this movie is that so few of you, on both sides, understand that.
@MoDaSocrates I agree, for the most part. A teacher should be able to introduce concepts and theories for the students to deliberate for themselves at the very least. Im an atheist, but i know the bible pretty well. So when my daughter asks me a biblical question i can say "well the bible says...." without influincing her one way or the other, at least thats my goal. However, time again you see it throughout history, the clockstoppers (to quote mr Tracy) were responsible for the censorship
@richardwestmoreland6 "I agree, for the most part. A teacher should be able to introduce concepts and theories for the students to deliberate for themselves at the very least."
but you can't it's a slippery slope, if you allow creation myths into the classroom sans evidence, then you don't have the right to complain when Tom Cruise and his buddies want their crackpot myths introduced,
Humans are genetically linked to the Great Apes (i.e. Chimps,Gorilla and Orangutan) and come from a common ancestor they diverged at a certain point and the different species evolved into what they are today. BTW this play is only a parable on the 1925 Scopes Trial and is an attack on McCarthyism. the right to think
Apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor that lived hundreds of millions of years ago. Try learning about something before pretending to know about it.
Spencer Tracy, himself a devoted Catholic, warned about religious ignorance and intolerance. I wished the Iranians had seen this movie. Now they wouldn’t have to live through what Tracy warned of.
Yeah keep the bigots SCREAMING - cos if they get their way there is no reason what so ever to think they wont be burning us non believers - these are VERY unpleasant people dripping in self righteousness, double standards and ignorance. Civilization is the tug of war between the enlightened and the philistines. DONT LET THEN WIN!
@imabookie3 Same goes for people such as yourselves that form an opinion and refuse to be convinced otherwise that some people believe other things. XD
The Butler Act, prohibiting the teaching of evolution in Tennessee schools, wasn't repealed until 1967. And even now, in other states, evolution is coming under fire from backwards elements in society. Is man's ego so great and inflexible, he refuses to admit his origins in the face of overwhelming evidence? Thanks for the great clip from this great movie!
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pvtspartan 1 month ago
Spencer tracy was such a great actor.
MegaKennedy2000 1 month ago 5
watched this in psychology.
xUndertakerx1 2 months ago
this clip is my response whenever Rick Perry comes up in discussion
MStrikerPictures 2 months ago 4
Wow! We are fighting the same battle we have been for decades, rigidity of the mind.
4stringaddict 2 months ago 16
"THIS COMMUNITY IS AN INSULT TO THE WORLD!" Epic! Spencer Tracy at his best right here!!!
Handsome85 2 months ago 3
Now in reality, it was justified that the judge didnt allow Clarence Darrow expert witnesses. Bringing those scientists as expert witnesses was irrelevant to the case. GOOD CALL JUDGE!!! ^ ^
fleaninja 3 months ago
This script sets the gold standard. Brilliant!
hippiegirl58 3 months ago
I love this so much! It gives me chills... beautifully delivered, and I'm in complete agreement with what he is saying. It makes me want to watch the movie! Thank you for sharing!
amerikannadigamagu 3 months ago
@amerikannadigamagu After you watch it, go to WalMart and spend 10 bucks on this one and find out what really historically happened: allegedthemovie-dot-com/
gcnengineer 3 months ago
What ELECTRICITY!!!
platinumtank892 3 months ago
Machine Gun Preacher as an advert on this? Someone needs shooting.
stevebritgimp 4 months ago
how the fuck is this still relevant
poopiedogonion 4 months ago
Watch what he says from 1:33 seconds into the clip until the end. And now realize that they've made it a crime to teach intelligent design. So in essence, the thing that argues for evolution's sake actually came true for intelligent design... scary ironic. So it is not the freedom of ideas that these people want, it is the squashing of intelligent design.
whamdang 4 months ago
@whamdang
What? It's not illegal to teach intelligent design.
goatunit 4 months ago
Excellent choice. "How old do you think this rock is?"
SirSmoldham 5 months ago
i just found the movie of my life yesterday and it´s THIS ONE!
cyberyanmar 5 months ago
@Boodle545 If god came to you were certain that it was him and not some trick of Satan and he told you that you could do whatever you want and still get to heaven. Kill, rape, steal, etc. Would you do those things? If you say no, then congratulations you've just learned how someone without religious beliefs can be moral. People are good or bad in spite of religion, not because of it.
Olsteradamus 6 months ago
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best movie ever
Silver7Bird 6 months ago
THAT'S WHY Tracy is by far the best artist in the movie industry.
cirosuperiore 6 months ago
@cirosuperiore Amen.
bleachrules103 6 months ago
@cirosuperiore He did this whole scene in one take (more than is shown here).
ksim43 6 months ago
@ksim43 Was probably drunk as well.
maosef 6 months ago
The words (if not quite the scene) is almost a verbatim quote from Clarence Darrow. They occurred at the beginning of the trial.
Sfmonterey 7 months ago
@Boodle545 Yes.Creationism simply isn't factual,hence it should not be taught as fact.Especially at the expense of the truth(as was the case in the Scopes trial).
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Boodle545 That creationism is so patently stupid and false that any efforts to impose it onto our youth must be met with moral and political revulsion.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Boodle545 You just breathtakingly missed the point of everything this video tried to tell you.
I pity you.
Christian121y 7 months ago
This movie is awesome. Pretty interesting though that Darwinism has also been shown to be false.
heartfire451 7 months ago
@heartfire451 Bullshit.Darwinism has NOT been shown to be false anymore than gravity has.
Christian121y 7 months ago
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@karlmall
Atheist do not have to prove the non-existence of god- it is a law of Logic that you don't prove a negative. The theists are the ones who make the claims of a god thus they are the ones who have the burden of proof.
sparta1236 7 months ago
@karlmall
Atheist do not have to prove the non-existence of god- it is a law of Logic that you on;t prove a negative. The theists are the ones who make the claims of a god thus they are the ones who have the burden of proof.
sparta1236 7 months ago
wtf nobody said inherit the wind then why is it called the inherit the wind speech??
Axl207 8 months ago
everyone has the right to believe what they choose... but for me, i would rather believe and live my life like there is a God, and find out there isn't, than to live my life like there isn't and find out there IS...
DeeLuc626 8 months ago
@DeeLuc626 That's known as Pascal's Wager. I once thought I'd try that, but I realized any being worthy of being called God would be able to see through that.
mikek44224 8 months ago
@DeeLuc626 ;
I agree with your comments. If it turns out I`m wrong in my belief in God,then I have nothing to lose.-If I`m right I have gained Eternity. However my faith is much more than a wager. I love and serve The Lord. My hope of salvation is what gets me through the bad times. Lorraine
Gemini730 6 months ago
@Gemini730 Why deny yourself credit when it is due? You get yourself through the bad times. Be proud of that.
Olsteradamus 6 months ago
religion is based on FAITH, no "proof" is required... atheists believe that everything was created by nothing... THAT is more illogical than belief in any God!
DeeLuc626 8 months ago
Harry Morgan, who played the Judge is still alive today. (He's better known as Col. Potter from MASH or Gannon from Dragnet)... This is a great scene.
lawrence142002 8 months ago
Last I checked, it has never been the Christians who were putting falsified science into textbooks. When you have to support your ends by lies, what does that say about your ends? The bible is full of testimony, proven and validated by science which is being unethically delegitimized and replaced with the lies of atheism and/or evolution. As is most often the case, all of this is justified in the eyes of the one whos intentional or unintentional underlying motive: communism.
chuckschultz22 8 months ago
This story isn't about God, it's about the oppression of religious fanatics and their blind followers who demand control over your mind (much like the Taliban).
Amazing that it still sparks a debate.
garrettmyreel 9 months ago
It's hard to prove something DOESN"T exsist....I could say the Easter Bunny is real, and task you to DISPROVE it....could you? That doesn't mean I am right in belief in a myth....Oh and I always end a religious argument with "Oooga Booga, the Volcano God is angry"....Superstition has cost many lives.
kaelemelf 9 months ago
Look there is no way to say who is right... i cant prove to an atheist that god exists and he cant prove there is no god... and hello Einstein believed in intelligent design evolution caused by a higher being was he not a thinking man?
myendoftheline 9 months ago
@myendoftheline You can prove that god exists, or that he doesn't, or rather you can prove that certain formal definitions of him are possible or aren't.
Einstein was a thinking man so he did not say he knew his god existed.
badboyfrvr 9 months ago
@myendoftheline But God is rejected in matters of science, because Creationist models that say that a supernatural being created the species cannot be tested becayse they are non-falsifiable.
SmervinMervin24 9 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 well there is no way of testing evolution at all because if it occured over a period of millions of years how can we test it at all??
myendoftheline 9 months ago
@myendoftheline
It can be observed in species with a very short generational turn-over, such as fruit flies.
On top of that there is the fosil record and DNA, all of these show that life did not poof into existence
but grew, changed and adapted.
Xigano1 9 months ago
@Xigano1 im not denying that evolution occured but did it all happened by coincidence? Was it a fluke? thats why its hard to prove it either way
myendoftheline 9 months ago
@myendoftheline
It's neither a fluke nor a coincidence.
The best addapted members of a species survive and therefor reproduce at a
higher rate than those that don't, thus induceing gradual changes towards those trades.
Xigano1 9 months ago
@myendoftheline So, in short, humans were bound to survive from the start.
SmervinMervin24 9 months ago
@myendoftheline It is possible for evolution to occur through mutation. Very unlikely, but possible. And there is evidence for evolution in the fossil record, they're called transitional forms.
SmervinMervin24 9 months ago
meh its good but the book was better :)
dw6nvf 9 months ago
tracy was a functional retard
he couldn't follow the simplest direction
like Hepburn, he was an anti-civil rights FBI collaborator
how cinematic careers are made in a totalitarian artistic dump
MsThunderroad 9 months ago
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Someone please answer me this question because I'm a bit confused: Atheists don't believe in a God or gods. So they're basically saying they can prove he does not exist?
I'm thinking that Atheists are taking this by faith, no? Someone clarify please
SmervinMervin24 9 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 "A person doesn't need absolute and perfect certainty in order to be either an atheist or a theist. What should be required, however, are very good reasons for whatever direction a person goes. For atheists, those reasons are at the very least the failure of theists to make a good enough case for either theism generally or any specific form of theism to warrant adoption."
Manos99 9 months ago 21
@SmervinMervin24 In short, you can say that the ring on my finger gives me good luck. I say there is no proof to support that. It's not up to me to prove ridiculous theories that have no basis in reality.
Manos99 9 months ago 14
@Manos99 Ahhh that does make sense.
SmervinMervin24 9 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 A lack of belief in god is not a belief that one does not and cannot exist-
it is the default, skeptical position.
Nor does science have anything to do with "proof"- it is antithetical to its very foundations.
eljagg01 9 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 They just don't care about religion or some are more seriouse and are certain there is no god. I think, if there is mind there is god....think about it lol
urb3stm8 9 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 To prove the non-existence of a being , that being's existence would primarily need to be established, which, of course, would render the initial task beyond possibility. Both tasks are, however, according to all human sentient experience, beyond previous possibility . I would conclude that atheists need not be called upon to prove the non-existence of something whose existence has not been established.
alipitogen 8 months ago
@alipitogen That makes sense.
SmervinMervin24 8 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 Of course no one can prove that a higher power/ intelligence exists in another part of the galaxy or in another galaxy entirely. However if that higher power exists it is limited even prohibited by the laws of science and physics from interacting with us in any meaningful way. So now we are left with God being the unknown or unexplainable which can be shown to be understood through investigation and experimentation. So in the end we are left with nothing.
oneputtsteven 8 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 A number of atheists aren't saying they can prove he doesn't exist. But no matter how much you twist words, you cannot follow any religion without disregarding all others and believing yours to be true. There for, the way a number of Atheists see it is that all religions are fake because each claim themselves to be true, even when they have no similarities whatsoever (Christians believe in God, Shintoists believe in Kami!)
Atheists do not believe god has legitimacy.
Lishy1 8 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 I am nauseated by the many, ironically enough, self-righteous atheists out there. But, I think I should defend their position a bit here. Many don't believe in God because they feel there is no evidence. It's not fair to say they have to "prove" God doesn't exist. Most people don't believe that our tongues freeze time when we're asleep, then detach and play poker with other tongues every night. They can't "prove" it. They just don't see a reason to believe it.
ActaNonVerba71 8 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 An atheist doesn't believe in god because they have no reason to believe in god. There are many more things people have no reason to believe in, like ghosts, or vampires. How would you go about proving that those don't exist?
flyboy5842 8 months ago 9
@SmervinMervin24 - Non-Santa-Clausists believe in Santa Claus. So they're basically saying they can prove he does not exist? Can you prove Santa Claus does not exist?
karlmall 8 months ago
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sigmata0 6 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 Those proposing a belief in God or gods are making claims. They are at the very least saying a God or gods exist. Many who accept the claim of a particular God or gods do not accept the claims made by others about a different set of god(s). An atheist is one who has not accepted the claims made for any god(s). Think of a god you accept the claim for. Think about all the gods you don't accept. Why is your's special? Do you think it is justified over a belief in Odin or Zeus?
sigmata0 6 months ago
@sigmata0 I don't really believe in God, or gods. I believe in a creator, but not a religion.
And thank you for taking the time to answer back friend
SmervinMervin24 6 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 You could say that atheists don't have faith in a God or belief system. They don't need proof that one doesn't exist, but they conclude that there is not enough evidence that one does exist. The word "belief" and "faith" is tossed around a lot, so people of faith often conclude that atheists "believe" in nothing, so they still believe. This is incorrect. Atheists are people without belief. I would know, I am one.
MStrikerPictures 6 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 I wont say that God has been proven or dissproven, no, .. . but I'd say that certain stuff in The Bible has been proven bullshit, yes.
voluminoushead888 5 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 the burden of proof is for those who make the claim (negative claims does not have burden of proof)
RafaAnto32 5 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 theists claim there is god and atheists claim there is not, since theists provide the positive argument the burden of proof is theirs. Logically the only thing an atheist needs to do to disprove theism is to disprove the evidence presented by theism.
randosity42 5 months ago
@randosity42 Agreed.
SmervinMervin24 5 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 an atheist belives there is no god. it's a personal choice based on logic and intelect. Of course we can't prove there is no god in the same way a religion person acan't prove there is one. But if one choses to belive that there is an invisible, insubstantial, silent, old man that will juge you when you die, by all means belive. Just don't try to spreed it arround. OK?
Cetadrius01 5 months ago
@SmervinMervin24 Atheists don't have to prove anything....they're saying that based on what we know, there's nothing else out there....theists say that regardless of evidence, there is.
Jumpincloud 4 months ago
@Jumpincloud "Atheists don't have to prove anything." Really. Prove how the big bang happened without a causal agent.
gcnengineer 3 months ago
@gcnengineer You've missed my point... I don't need to prove there's a God because I'm not the one suggesting that he's there without evidence: Atheists simply say that based upon what we know, we can not discernibly say there is a God. The bottom line is, I am basing my theory on fact, and your is based on faith.
Jumpincloud 3 months ago
@Jumpincloud Actually, it seems as if you are missing my point. The "fact" is the big bang happened. That requires a causal agent. The evidence, it seems, weighs more heavily in my favor that something exists outside of time.
gcnengineer 3 months ago
@gcnengineer Absolutely, but you cannot jump to a conclusion by saying it's some all powerful God.
Jumpincloud 3 months ago
@Jumpincloud Can you jump to the conclusion that "There is nothing to prove" knowing something is out there that exists outside of time?
gcnengineer 3 months ago
@gcnengineer You don't know for sure whether something exists outside of time: all you can say is that there is evidence supporting or not supporting it. And, btw, the Big Bang is NOT fact, however, there is great evidence to support it.
Jumpincloud 3 months ago
@Jumpincloud Sounds as if your ability to carry on a conversation about this matter is reduced to, "well I just don't know". Which of course, is what a atheist is. That is, a person who is certain that they can know nothing on such matters. That's for your time.
gcnengineer 3 months ago
@gcnengineer It's a person who can ADMIT they know nothing on such matters, and is humble enough not to hesitate when doing so.
Jumpincloud 3 months ago
@Jumpincloud It's a person who is wise enough to REALIZE that an event such as the big bang, (if true) requires an outside casual agent, and is not stubborn enough to rather display ignorance than admit the evidence is against him (despite the rather lengthy sentence! lol).
gcnengineer 3 months ago
@gcnengineer Even if we could not it wouldn't matter in the least.
Lulzalutioners 1 month ago
@Lulzalutioners I have no idea what you are talking about. You are making a comment on something I said a few months ago????
gcnengineer 1 month ago
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@gcnengineer Yes, in response to this comment of yours: ""Atheists don't have to prove anything." Really. Prove how the big bang happened without a causal agent."
My point was that is a false dichotomy, you do not have to think that the big bang is the origin of the universe to be an atheist. Most atheists do accept the big bang theory as true though.
Lulzalutioners 1 month ago
@SmervinMervin24
Technically, you are correct. The statement, "There is no God," is one of faith. However, this is not the position of reasonable people. Rather, the atheist position is, "I see no evidence of God." To say that there are no dragons is also a statement of faith. We can only say that we're pretty sure. It is the theist who must support his claimed certainty.
goatunit 4 months ago
Of course, the words in a holy book are not meant to be taken literal. They're more of a book on how to live your life with good morals in mind. They do have some valuable lessons and just because one is an Atheist, doesn't mean he cannot read the Bible. And just because you are Christian or what have you, doesn't mean you can't read a bit of Darwin :)
SmervinMervin24 9 months ago
Funny, I first watched this movie at school, a Catholic School. They taught us religion and what not, but it wasn't that, the fact that they taught us science, evolution, biology, all forms of science with no care for fanaticism towards illogical belief. I know it sounds crazy to hear evolution and religion taught at the same time, but they never pushed anything on us. People were free to believe what they want. It put a lot of my faith back into people and that the world is in human minds.
BuddhaSnacks 10 months ago
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And today it is a crime to mention creationism in the classroom.
fernfeyes 10 months ago
@fernfeyes Creationism is mentioned in classrooms all the time - there are classes which are devoted specifically to religion - but it's presented appropriately: as a basis for a single religion, which has no basis in logic or science.
Manos99 10 months ago 19
@fernfeyes You can mention it. In religious studies. Not in a science class though. Science classes are for the teaching of science. Not the bronze age, desert dwelling, animal sacrificing, creations myths of primitives.
William00048 10 months ago
@fernfeyes
you sir, are a moron
sayanroy36 10 months ago
@sayanroy36 You can call him a moron, but at least explain to him why he is otherwise you look like one :/
SmervinMervin24 9 months ago
@fernfeyes It has always been a crime for the American government to promote a religion in the classroom. How about you go and read your constitution instead of the Bible.
DRofLetsPlayers 7 months ago
@fernfeyes
No it isn't. Who told you that?
goatunit 4 months ago
15 people are bigots who like to burn intelligent people.
jaykia 11 months ago
@jaykia if you believe that mankind rouse from monkeys i think you are naive and basicly you think you'r self a monky.
ibizarise 11 months ago
@ibizarise Lol? Why are we naive? There is far more proof on evolution theory than on creation "theory"?
tvpnbb 10 months ago
@tvpnbb I don't mean any disrespect but I don't think for one second that somnething as perfect as the human mind and body is the work of evolution.
ibizarise 10 months ago
@ibizarise And why you don't? And how much more silly is, that there should be a god, with same mental capabilities as us, around to create us. Who created god, then?
tvpnbb 10 months ago
@tvpnbb God is the Alfa and Omega. The mistake of mankind is to thing God as a human beaing. God is everything. We don't have the mental capacity to even thing let alone understand the compexity of God. I think one day meybe we're alive, meybe we're dead, but one day meybe He will finaly show us why we are here.
Who created God ? i don't know but i know what God created. You and me and he gave someone the ideea to make youtube so we mey have this talk. Even Newton admited that he was inspired
ibizarise 10 months ago
@ibizarise
Newton believed in alchemy, too. You talk a lot but offer no evidence.
dudev 10 months ago
@dudev Either you believe or not. It's your choice
ibizarise 10 months ago
@ibizarise
Faith is empty. Rational people accept or reject ideas on the strength of the evidence.
dudev 10 months ago
@ibizarise Lol? We have no real evidence of gods existence, juts a couple of lousy historical books, which portray the god as a megalomaniac mass-murderer, who is not nearly powerful enough to be so different from humankind, and most gods qualify as the same. if you mean some external, "other" god, there is no evidence of it, so there is no reason to believe. There are many transitional forms between humans and apes, which is a good proof of evolution.
tvpnbb 10 months ago
@ibizarise Newton was more worried that people might learn he was an alchemist than that he had a male lover. Shows how Christian values change over the centuries. He also believed himself a prophet. That he believed in alchemy shows it is possible to be a genius in 1 field of endeavorer & a fool in another. U make some bold statements as to the nature of God. They are incompatible with statements made by other religious people. You claim to know God is the Alpha & Omega. How do you know this?
William00048 10 months ago
@ibizarise Like it or lump it. Evolution is proven as a scientific fact that is more robust than the theory of gravity. It is supported by observation, geology, DNA, palaeontology and medicine. Do you think that there had been a 150 year cabal of scientists getting together to fool the world.... including the Christian, Muslim and Jewish ones? You find the 150 year work of some of the worlds smartest minds unrealistic but believe the one about the clay, the rib and the talking snake?
William00048 10 months ago 2
@ibizarise U believe the bible version of creation as expressed in Genesis? Which 1, Genesis 1 or 2? They are different & incompatible, even though it is said that both books were written by Moses. He was quite old, did he have Alzheimer's because he clearly forgot what he had written the first time around. I would have thought that his good buddy Alpha Omega guy would have whispered in his ear he was making a bit of a prick of himself. We aren't made from clay or a clot of blood but star stuff.
William00048 10 months ago
@ibizarise Jesus may have died for you and fashioned you out of dirt but a star died for me and I am made from star stuff. Your God is weak sauce.
William00048 10 months ago
@William00048 :-)) ok
ibizarise 10 months ago
@ibizarise For your sake i hope u are a troll.....The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike, you sir/madam are quite clearly of very low intelligence, for one such as yourself if a God did not already exist it would be necessary to invent him. I mean honestly how can u possibly dispute evolution being a FACT?...Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence, would you not agree??
Sullivan858 10 months ago
@Sullivan858 Why am I of "very low intelligence" ? and why do you bealive you are more intelligent then me , becouse you bealive something and i bealive something else ? I see a lot of frustration here becouse i do not agree with evolution. I honestly don't care what you or anyone else bealives.
As Joseph Campbell once said "Follow your bliss"
ibizarise 10 months ago
@ibizarise LOL are you that blind!? U sir are a grade a SHEEP!
Ill put it this way to you, that we are both atheists! I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours!...A very wise man once said ''Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense." In the 21st century this has ever been more true!
Sullivan858 9 months ago
@Sullivan858 I understand your comment very well and you have a good point. I know in the past milleniums humanity worship and dissmisd many many gods. The ancind egypt gods, the Greek gods, the Roman gods and many others. I do not contest other gods or other religions, i'm not a fanatic. I just bealive in something bigger and more complex that we yet do not understand.
All the best !
ibizarise 9 months ago
@ibizarise We did not come from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with apes. If you don't know the difference then I suggest you get get something beyond a middle school education.
jaykia 10 months ago
@jaykia well said sir!
egeusz 10 months ago
@jaykia I did "get get" more than a middle school education.
Oh, now we did not come from monkyes. Now the monkye is our long lost cousin right ?
You know, it's easy to make anything sound ridiculous, but it's takes a greate mind to truly understand those things.
Mankind could not have been able to survive with out the help and guidance of the devine. Ther are some things that scients don't have an explination and the make up cute storyes, like the big bang theory
ibizarise 10 months ago
@ibizarise From this post alone it seems to me that you did not get a good education or did not pay attention in school. Your sentence structure is deplorable and you make loads of spelling mistakes. But back to the point. No one ever said we evolved from monkeys. No one except people who do not understand the concept like you. In fact I DARE you to find me one academic article that says we 'evolved from monkeys'. It does not exist and never has. In truth it is people like you that make up stuff
jaykia 10 months ago
@jaykia Excuse me for not being english. Do you know another language ? And i think all my sentence are corect, meybe you need to pay more attention in school.
If you watch the full movie you will see that Henry Drummond (Spencer Tracy) is a bealiver.
Chears !
ibizarise 10 months ago
@ibizarise 1. I am not English ether. 2. Yes I do know other languages. 3. No your sentences are not correct (by the way this is the right way to spell correct) so if you think they are right, I suggest you go back to school.
jaykia 10 months ago
@jaykia Ok, thanks for the advice. Good luck in your future endeavors
ibizarise 10 months ago
EPIC!
sagabhcrew 11 months ago
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Jesus is future king of earth, repent for his judgement comes. Jesus loves you
bass109 1 year ago
Thanks so much for posting my favorite movie in the drama category. Everyone should see this film at least once.
hippiegirl58 1 year ago
@omgfroobynoobs "All thinking men are atheists" -Ernest Hemingway
buddhaband1t 1 year ago 22
@buddhaband1t so true.
NorCalibrator 1 year ago
@buddhaband1t Hemingway was also an alcoholic boor who blew himself away with a shotgun. Not exactly the most inspirational source to cite.
TheBermudaMan 8 months ago
@TheBermudaMan What's your point. Jesus turned water into wine, and how did he die again? ....i prefer the shotgun myself
ilovebrandnewcarpets 7 months ago
i can't wait till the last day on earth and everyone will see whats right and notice that everything the bibles says about the last days on earth is happening like all the floods and earthquakes and stuff.
omgfroobynoobs 1 year ago
Its very simple... IF you live in america you rights stop as soon as they infringe on another's rights PERIOD! you can make a club or a church or private organization and do this but as soon as you try and enforce anything outside that group your in the wrong and infringing on the rights of others therefore the law is unjust. There are two kind of laws just and unjust laws. if you dont agree with the last statement go read birmingham jail by MLK. Hitler or religion who killed more? ans: Religon
MrErockHiphop 1 year ago
@MrErockHiphop Religion is an excuse used by psychotic dictators and homicidal lunatics to garner support for their cause. Wars are fought for power, land and resources. Politics has historically killed more people then all religions put together. People need to stop using religion to excuse their piss poor behavior.
SuperQuantumMechanic 11 months ago
@SuperQuantumMechanic HUH? Politics and religion are intertwined. and also there is something called cause and effect. You can't have politics on something that doesnt exist. so the cause of the politics of religion are religion...there for the cause all the people being killed. in other yes guns kill people but someone has to pull the trigger. and the correlation is religion. to your last statement Im sorry but if your trying to say people are using religion wrong. duh? not my fault
MrErockHiphop 11 months ago
I read the book, and it said the trial was over. I din't get who won the case, maybe I misread it, but did Cates won the case, because in the book it said Brady died from a busted belly.Not sure. : ) Thanks.
MyYummycookie 1 year ago
@MyYummycookie In real life : Scopes lost the case but was only fined 100 dollars, they later said he wasn't guilty. William Jennings Bryan "Brady" died 3 days later.
NorCalibrator 1 year ago
@NorCalibrator Oh, thank you for replying, your comment was very helpful to me. ; )
MyYummycookie 1 year ago
I say teach the controversy... teach science in church on sundays...
stephenexmachina 1 year ago
He never resigned in the play
11de1 1 year ago
the beauty of science is that nothing is 100 % truth unless its backed up by facts and proof unliek religion where laws where made thousands of years ago and as such they are no longer needed or fit to modern times,
super88cloud 1 year ago
Would you all, curtis1000 included, just shut up? This movie is about censorship and the sanctity of a man's right to think, not whether evolution is fact or religion is evil. The ultimate insult to this movie is that so few of you, on both sides, understand that.
MoDaSocrates 1 year ago
@MoDaSocrates I agree, for the most part. A teacher should be able to introduce concepts and theories for the students to deliberate for themselves at the very least. Im an atheist, but i know the bible pretty well. So when my daughter asks me a biblical question i can say "well the bible says...." without influincing her one way or the other, at least thats my goal. However, time again you see it throughout history, the clockstoppers (to quote mr Tracy) were responsible for the censorship
richardwestmoreland6 1 year ago 2
@richardwestmoreland6 "I agree, for the most part. A teacher should be able to introduce concepts and theories for the students to deliberate for themselves at the very least."
but you can't it's a slippery slope, if you allow creation myths into the classroom sans evidence, then you don't have the right to complain when Tom Cruise and his buddies want their crackpot myths introduced,
hughjarrse 1 year ago
This is amazing, one of my favorite movies.
globalchaos1984 1 year ago
Humans are genetically linked to the Great Apes (i.e. Chimps,Gorilla and Orangutan) and come from a common ancestor they diverged at a certain point and the different species evolved into what they are today. BTW this play is only a parable on the 1925 Scopes Trial and is an attack on McCarthyism. the right to think
Welshman2008 1 year ago
"Fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy, and needs feeding."
Nailed it.
boulderevolution 1 year ago 3
@pirateradio87
Apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor that lived hundreds of millions of years ago. Try learning about something before pretending to know about it.
blixx008 1 year ago
Having grown up around idiots like this, this is my favorite scene in any movie ever.
MrNobody425 1 year ago
One of the best performances
bleachrules103 1 year ago
13 neanderthals didn't like this video
Snicki1946 1 year ago
@Snicki1946
How dare you compare neaderthals to creationists. They cant defend themselves. :-(
sakar181 1 year ago
@sakar181 guess that is true. they can't. how about '13 dumbasses didn't like this video" instead?
Snicki1946 1 year ago
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great great movie !!
astoma199 1 year ago
wouldn't it be nice if nalin palin saw this.
tacostandballa 1 year ago 2
Spencer Tracy, himself a devoted Catholic, warned about religious ignorance and intolerance. I wished the Iranians had seen this movie. Now they wouldn’t have to live through what Tracy warned of.
Kaveh2520 1 year ago
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I think we need some new theories. How about the Theory of Divine Mutation? Or maybe the Theory of Extraterrestrial Experimentation?
MrKappaBeta 1 year ago
I personally think we need some new theories. How about the Theory of Divine Mutation? Or maybe the Theory of Extraterrestrial Experimentation?
MrKappaBeta 1 year ago
I personally think we need some new theories. How about the Theory of Divine Mutation? Or maybe the Theory of Extraterrestrial Experimentation?
MrKappaBeta 1 year ago
Yeah keep the bigots SCREAMING - cos if they get their way there is no reason what so ever to think they wont be burning us non believers - these are VERY unpleasant people dripping in self righteousness, double standards and ignorance. Civilization is the tug of war between the enlightened and the philistines. DONT LET THEN WIN!
StunnedByStupidity 1 year ago
On a side note, I find it amusing how people argue about evolution on a clip from a movie that isn't even really about evolution vs creationism.
SuaveTito 1 year ago
@SuaveTito "He who laughs at himself never runs out of things to laugh at."
imabookie3 1 year ago
@imabookie3 Same goes for people such as yourselves that form an opinion and refuse to be convinced otherwise that some people believe other things. XD
SuaveTito 1 year ago
@SuaveTito SuaveTito, you're all right.
imabookie3 1 year ago
Fanaticism and ignorance - as prescient a description of what ails the human race as any I've come across.
cutis1000 1 year ago
i love this movie!
purepinoii 1 year ago
Spencer Tracy is one of the best American Actor of all Time.
Starfighterking 1 year ago 13