actually i think his statement is illuminating in ways quite different from those you suggest. the fact that he says "the best protestant workers wouldn't vote for them either" implies that "good protestants" are nationalists or are self-hating "house-unionists" to paraphrase malcolm x. i think that in northern ireland the left was killed by such arbitrary and antidemocratic stalinism/terror as in so many countries previously stretching back to the jacobins.
acknowledging the stormont government & six county sovereignty is basic to respecting the unionist right to consent to any change of border or government. otherwise the catholics in question were merely nationalists rather than leftists as such.
you're racist for wanting to force the british to accept dublin governance. do donegal or dublin protestants complain about the situation? no. but too many ulster catholics never accept the COMPROMISE of partition, the sectarian scum want to control every inch of the island or they will not relent. and dark times indeed, the age of european racial nationalism.
labour is international. therefore it has never survived nationalism. so what if munster voted to secede would you force it to stay in? i guess if you don't want to be racist you need to apply your tyrannical doctrines to them too & say unequivacly that no one has any rights of self determination, but o wait that means ireland should still be in the uk. what the partition of ireland did was bring socialism to ulster and capitalism to eire, so fuck james connolly with his pathetic predictions.
haha ok for your tender ears i will "refrain" from using old anglo-saxon words deemed offensive by norman standards. socialism is what british citizenship gave to "the six counties" (for the linguistically finnicky/obsessed) while the republic is a free market capitalist state. & your emphasis on "a majority of the island" to distract from regional politics is certainly terribly racist in its application.
no prob i just mean that what's important is what people in that region want, not what people in cork want to happen to northern ireland. i regret that my country has been the leading cause of harm to the unionists of ulster, a flawed people as any other but worthy of basic respect as any other too. sorry if i was too harsh, take care
If you are referring to the break at about 2 mins 37 secs in the clip then this was not done deliberately. A frame or few frames were skipped as I imported from DV tape. If I recall the missing comment was something like "and the Catholics certainly wouldn't vote for them". Thanks for noticing.
I think the point John makes here is that naturally the Catholics, given the atmosphere of that time, could not vote for a Labour party which was so baised in favour of Protestant needs only including the Union. He makes an additional point though which I think is interesting: Protestants for various reasons also found such a party unsatisfactory.
A Left party which opposed the discrimination against Catholics but appealed also to Protestants (who like ordinary people anywhere faced exploitation by employers also and needed assurances about their rights, wages, housing conditions...)
is this video censored to hide the fact that nationalists destroyed ulster labour? the part where he seems to say that the catholics stopped voting for labour because it recognized the union appears to have been cut out. please explain this troubling fact and tell us what was said in the missing part.
So true
Bigmartinno1 3 years ago
Up the Judean Peoples Front!
Down with the Peoples Front of Judea!
ulsternative 4 years ago
actually i think his statement is illuminating in ways quite different from those you suggest. the fact that he says "the best protestant workers wouldn't vote for them either" implies that "good protestants" are nationalists or are self-hating "house-unionists" to paraphrase malcolm x. i think that in northern ireland the left was killed by such arbitrary and antidemocratic stalinism/terror as in so many countries previously stretching back to the jacobins.
hgdjhjdfjg 4 years ago
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malachy1847 2 years ago
acknowledging the stormont government & six county sovereignty is basic to respecting the unionist right to consent to any change of border or government. otherwise the catholics in question were merely nationalists rather than leftists as such.
hgdjhjdfjg 2 years ago
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malachy1847 2 years ago
you're racist for wanting to force the british to accept dublin governance. do donegal or dublin protestants complain about the situation? no. but too many ulster catholics never accept the COMPROMISE of partition, the sectarian scum want to control every inch of the island or they will not relent. and dark times indeed, the age of european racial nationalism.
hgdjhjdfjg 2 years ago
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malachy1847 2 years ago
labour is international. therefore it has never survived nationalism. so what if munster voted to secede would you force it to stay in? i guess if you don't want to be racist you need to apply your tyrannical doctrines to them too & say unequivacly that no one has any rights of self determination, but o wait that means ireland should still be in the uk. what the partition of ireland did was bring socialism to ulster and capitalism to eire, so fuck james connolly with his pathetic predictions.
hgdjhjdfjg 2 years ago
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malachy1847 2 years ago
haha ok for your tender ears i will "refrain" from using old anglo-saxon words deemed offensive by norman standards. socialism is what british citizenship gave to "the six counties" (for the linguistically finnicky/obsessed) while the republic is a free market capitalist state. & your emphasis on "a majority of the island" to distract from regional politics is certainly terribly racist in its application.
hgdjhjdfjg 2 years ago
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malachy1847 2 years ago
no prob i just mean that what's important is what people in that region want, not what people in cork want to happen to northern ireland. i regret that my country has been the leading cause of harm to the unionists of ulster, a flawed people as any other but worthy of basic respect as any other too. sorry if i was too harsh, take care
hgdjhjdfjg 2 years ago
If you are referring to the break at about 2 mins 37 secs in the clip then this was not done deliberately. A frame or few frames were skipped as I imported from DV tape. If I recall the missing comment was something like "and the Catholics certainly wouldn't vote for them". Thanks for noticing.
RevQuest 4 years ago
I think the point John makes here is that naturally the Catholics, given the atmosphere of that time, could not vote for a Labour party which was so baised in favour of Protestant needs only including the Union. He makes an additional point though which I think is interesting: Protestants for various reasons also found such a party unsatisfactory.
RevQuest 4 years ago
A Left party which opposed the discrimination against Catholics but appealed also to Protestants (who like ordinary people anywhere faced exploitation by employers also and needed assurances about their rights, wages, housing conditions...)
RevQuest 4 years ago
is this video censored to hide the fact that nationalists destroyed ulster labour? the part where he seems to say that the catholics stopped voting for labour because it recognized the union appears to have been cut out. please explain this troubling fact and tell us what was said in the missing part.
hgdjhjdfjg 4 years ago