It is a fact that Itosu, the instructor of Funakoshi, changed karate applications to teach Japanese Physical education. Later The son of Funakoshi and students of Waseda University tried reinventing the applications. The Japanese concentrated on free point sparing.
It is a fact that the applications that shotokan uses are not the original applications used in Okinawa. Itosu, the teacher of Funakoshi re-invented the applications for Japanese Physical education. later, the son of funakoshi and students of Waseda (?) University tried inventing new applcications.
If you are researching / teaching / demonstrating bunkai.....why is every attack taken from a ritualistic but, totally unrealistic long distance front stance....
How can it be realistic bunkai when the starting distance is so artificial.
Look, apart from the grabs, the range used here is way too long. Street confrontation does not happen from that far apart. It is much closer.
Having your attacker use karate techniques launched from range gives you a false sense of your own abilities as does having him stand compliantly whilst you 'perform' your counter.
Have you considered what the back hand is for? In the opening move shown here it's wasted and just hanging in the air. In the side kick bit it's just sitting on the hip.
Please can you tell me why the attacker is using pure karate techniques to attack the defender? Do you think that the kata was designed to fight other karate people? If not, why does the attacker use a karate technique?
you are correct in criticizing; when I studied Karate virtually all the applications usually had a trip followed by a strike, or two strikes and that was it, if a Kata application has more than two strikes, or more than two moves odds are either its been modified, or it isn't authentic. Assuming you're attacked, you are supposed to end the encounter in one or two hits and that's it. I think one of Funakoshi's books has a similar premise.
Karate is not supposed to be pretty; there are no fancy barrages, very few fancy throws, Goju Ryu doesn't have any at all, mostly trips, its all "direct to the soft spots" stuff. Want to learn 100 ways to trip someone? Take Karate.
It does not matter what the attacker uses. If you practice correctly, your defense will manifest itself according to whatever the attack. This is why you repeat and repeat. Through repetition your karate will become instinct. This is what most of you who criticize fail to realize. Apparently you were not taught about this. Not to be an ass, just that it gets tired... all the criticism based on lack of knowledge of these concepts.
Respectfully, I've been training for 30 years now so have been taught many different things and have repeated moves A LOT.
Please, bunkai is not about defending against people using karate techniques and it is certainly not about defending against attacks launched from standard karate range - which is way too long.
If you're training like this and certainly if you're teaching students this then you are misguided.
Take a look at Iain Abernethy's work or Vince Morris, it will open your eyes.
I know of Abernethy and Morris but do you know of Oyata and Hokama, Onaga, the Higa family, and Kishaba? I understand what Bunkai is and is not but many fail to understand the purpose of martial arts training. Everyone believes that you have to invent strategies and that is a huge misconception. When your art becomes part of your nature, you never have to worry about what to do. The "misguided" are those who wonder what technique works on what attack.
I don't think I suggested that you formulate a strategy or technique to respond to a specific attack. That's certainly not what I teach. And I know that's not what Abernethy or Morris teach. It's more about the principles you can learn from the katas.
I am saying that some of the bunkai in this video are clearly wrong in the sense of being inefficient and potentially dangerous - dangerous for the person using them.
"It's more about the principles you can learn from the katas.
I am saying that some of the bunkai in this video are clearly wrong in the sense of being inefficient and potentially dangerous - dangerous for the person using them."
By the way, having an instinctive response to being attacked is a good thing. Having a poor instinctive response though can be lethal.
If you drill poor responses to attacks then you'll have poor instincts.
I'd also suggest that training along the lines of 'when he attacks, I respond' immediately puts you on the back foot and gives the attacker the momentum.
I concur! Many say they are "traditionalists" but I believe that term is misused in terms of the quality depth of instruction. If 2 generations ago, the instructor passing down the art removed or changed the kata, how many applications were lost in translation? If you are at the end of that lineage, you have been passed down by tradition, the empty, shallow art. What good does instinct serve in a case like that?!
I am only a 6th kyu, but recently got lost as I wasn't sure why I was learning kata, and most karate clubs seem to be centred on competition ere in Ireland. I know my sensei will only consider teaching me more of bunkai and oyo (he did judo most his life and started karate later) when I am more mature in the Way. Of course I recently found something in "ku shiki ze si, si ze shiki ku" from the Heart Sutra that Funakoshi sama found when he compared karate to Buddhism... This can help me improve
I think Kata is not always what you see is what you get. Like any Art everyones interpretation will be different. Were you see a kick some one else could see a sweep. Bunkai seems really never set in stone, every school may have a different interpretation of the same kata, as well as each master. In real life combat you may have to change some techniques to suit your needs, But the general movement may be the same.
terrible
atsdsbn 7 months ago
NICEEEE
NATASHABAPTISTE 9 months ago
It is a fact that Itosu, the instructor of Funakoshi, changed karate applications to teach Japanese Physical education. Later The son of Funakoshi and students of Waseda University tried reinventing the applications. The Japanese concentrated on free point sparing.
henryposadas 1 year ago
It is a fact that the applications that shotokan uses are not the original applications used in Okinawa. Itosu, the teacher of Funakoshi re-invented the applications for Japanese Physical education. later, the son of funakoshi and students of Waseda (?) University tried inventing new applcications.
henryposadas 1 year ago
would these techniques work in actual combat situation...i don't think so.
xl5zero7 1 year ago
Muy buena la idea de hacer varias aplicaciones de un mismo movimiento. Esa es la verdadera idea de los movimientos de las katas
OkinawaT 1 year ago
really fan am elevating
macjoeable 1 year ago
Just a thought.
If you are researching / teaching / demonstrating bunkai.....why is every attack taken from a ritualistic but, totally unrealistic long distance front stance....
How can it be realistic bunkai when the starting distance is so artificial.
Just my bit of rambling
becs5120 1 year ago
coraggioso!!!
gipsidicsi 1 year ago
Nice bunkai! More than most people show.
gosoku2 1 year ago
what aload of rubbish, is this guy serious, is this really the bunkai to this kata lol, even the throw was pathetic
steroid1966 1 year ago
what aload of rubbish, is this guy serious, is this really the bunkai to this kata lol, even the throw was pathetic
steroid1966 1 year ago
what aload of rubbish, is this guy serious, is this really the bunkai to this kata lol
steroid1966 1 year ago
schöne sachen dabei auch mal ein paar exotischere sachen sehr gut ^^
OrigonXGermany 2 years ago
You have to remember the name for it 'hikite' and what Funakoshi said about it - that its purpose is to pull the attacker off balance.
If it's sitting on your hip doing nothing then I would suggest that you need to look at the response you're using and revise it.
bertthepickle 2 years ago
Look, apart from the grabs, the range used here is way too long. Street confrontation does not happen from that far apart. It is much closer.
Having your attacker use karate techniques launched from range gives you a false sense of your own abilities as does having him stand compliantly whilst you 'perform' your counter.
Have you considered what the back hand is for? In the opening move shown here it's wasted and just hanging in the air. In the side kick bit it's just sitting on the hip.
bertthepickle 2 years ago
Please can you tell me why the attacker is using pure karate techniques to attack the defender? Do you think that the kata was designed to fight other karate people? If not, why does the attacker use a karate technique?
bertthepickle 2 years ago
you are correct in criticizing; when I studied Karate virtually all the applications usually had a trip followed by a strike, or two strikes and that was it, if a Kata application has more than two strikes, or more than two moves odds are either its been modified, or it isn't authentic. Assuming you're attacked, you are supposed to end the encounter in one or two hits and that's it. I think one of Funakoshi's books has a similar premise.
pillsburydoughboy47 2 years ago
Karate is not supposed to be pretty; there are no fancy barrages, very few fancy throws, Goju Ryu doesn't have any at all, mostly trips, its all "direct to the soft spots" stuff. Want to learn 100 ways to trip someone? Take Karate.
pillsburydoughboy47 2 years ago
It does not matter what the attacker uses. If you practice correctly, your defense will manifest itself according to whatever the attack. This is why you repeat and repeat. Through repetition your karate will become instinct. This is what most of you who criticize fail to realize. Apparently you were not taught about this. Not to be an ass, just that it gets tired... all the criticism based on lack of knowledge of these concepts.
Koryuhoka 2 years ago
Respectfully, I've been training for 30 years now so have been taught many different things and have repeated moves A LOT.
Please, bunkai is not about defending against people using karate techniques and it is certainly not about defending against attacks launched from standard karate range - which is way too long.
If you're training like this and certainly if you're teaching students this then you are misguided.
Take a look at Iain Abernethy's work or Vince Morris, it will open your eyes.
bertthepickle 2 years ago
I know of Abernethy and Morris but do you know of Oyata and Hokama, Onaga, the Higa family, and Kishaba? I understand what Bunkai is and is not but many fail to understand the purpose of martial arts training. Everyone believes that you have to invent strategies and that is a huge misconception. When your art becomes part of your nature, you never have to worry about what to do. The "misguided" are those who wonder what technique works on what attack.
Koryuhoka 2 years ago
Hmm, so you're a disciple of Okinawan-te, I see.
I don't think I suggested that you formulate a strategy or technique to respond to a specific attack. That's certainly not what I teach. And I know that's not what Abernethy or Morris teach. It's more about the principles you can learn from the katas.
I am saying that some of the bunkai in this video are clearly wrong in the sense of being inefficient and potentially dangerous - dangerous for the person using them.
bertthepickle 2 years ago
"It's more about the principles you can learn from the katas.
I am saying that some of the bunkai in this video are clearly wrong in the sense of being inefficient and potentially dangerous - dangerous for the person using them."
Absolutely!
Koryuhoka 2 years ago
By the way, having an instinctive response to being attacked is a good thing. Having a poor instinctive response though can be lethal.
If you drill poor responses to attacks then you'll have poor instincts.
I'd also suggest that training along the lines of 'when he attacks, I respond' immediately puts you on the back foot and gives the attacker the momentum.
bertthepickle 2 years ago
I concur! Many say they are "traditionalists" but I believe that term is misused in terms of the quality depth of instruction. If 2 generations ago, the instructor passing down the art removed or changed the kata, how many applications were lost in translation? If you are at the end of that lineage, you have been passed down by tradition, the empty, shallow art. What good does instinct serve in a case like that?!
Koryuhoka 2 years ago
thanks a lot
ifigetgun 2 years ago
thank u . now i have a better idea of this kata
azazel102 2 years ago
muito boa essa apresentaçao de bunkai
samuraydapesada 3 years ago
Really good! Big OSSS!!!
chochol 3 years ago
está bem este bunkai oss
katashotokan 3 years ago
nice Bunkai, I love seeing the take downs and throws. It shows that Karate is a more complete art then people think it is.
sixyears 3 years ago
These are modern interpretations....much more exists beyond these simple beginners techniques, in the older Okinawan systems.
Ronin6575 3 years ago
I am only a 6th kyu, but recently got lost as I wasn't sure why I was learning kata, and most karate clubs seem to be centred on competition ere in Ireland. I know my sensei will only consider teaching me more of bunkai and oyo (he did judo most his life and started karate later) when I am more mature in the Way. Of course I recently found something in "ku shiki ze si, si ze shiki ku" from the Heart Sutra that Funakoshi sama found when he compared karate to Buddhism... This can help me improve
DragonboyVNY 3 years ago
Hey, I like your application of technique. However, I feel like sometimes you guys insert techniques that don't exist in the form. Thoughts on this?
GendaiKarateka 3 years ago 2
I was thinking the exact same thing
Konputer 2 years ago
I think Kata is not always what you see is what you get. Like any Art everyones interpretation will be different. Were you see a kick some one else could see a sweep. Bunkai seems really never set in stone, every school may have a different interpretation of the same kata, as well as each master. In real life combat you may have to change some techniques to suit your needs, But the general movement may be the same.
sixyears 2 years ago
Not bad, and some nice extraperlations. It'd be nice to see some of the purely attacking applications, rather than the purely defensive ones.
Winterdenni 4 years ago
There is no first attack in Karate.
sixyears 2 years ago
That's a very literal translation, and not quite right, after all, if it were so, then the precepts of Sen no Sen would not accompany Go no Sen.
Winterdenni 2 years ago
if there is no first attack then how can there be a defense???
houldt 2 years ago
It means you do not attack first. You do not initiate, the attacker does.
sixyears 2 years ago
Pretty simple: you can defend against someone who's not doing karate.
But it just means that you shouldn't start a fight, not that you have to wait until you get punched.
In every kata the first move is a block but i don't know if you can't interprete it as an attack in bunkai.
wqtpuu 2 years ago
Its nice
fypsmith778 4 years ago