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This is awful. In wotlk i played holy paladin like all the time, also shaman(my alt) and i checked patch notes out, both of them god crapped on. Shamans weren't that huge in arena EVER (even wotlk not that good) and even more nerfed. And yeah, instead of making pally more active, they change it more passive and in MoP they will complain, that he is too passive. Good thing i play disc priest in cata.
I agree with most that is said about the holy pally. I play one myself an my heals were great before 4.3 now I had to redo my entire tree just for raiding again. Plus I loved the insta-cast holy radiance as it was a great "oh fuck" type of button when it was needed in 5 mans when ppl got dumb.
I tried the judgement last night on DS raid I was still getting a small amount of mana like +93 mana lol but when I was hitting shit it was around +1300 or so.
Dude! I totally agree with you! I dont know what blizzard was thinking about when they made these changes! Man, i love wow and blizzard, but on 4.3 they have made so many fails, it shouldnt even be possible!!
So I always have this disliking of people saying that making something easier makes it less skill intensive. While you do bring up great points about the decisions process about using your judgments versus an important heal. Though that is a great example of a skill heavy idea removing it doesn't mean that the skill cap is lowered. People complain about such things in PVE when they made aggro too easy to keep with Tanking, and what did good tanks do? More DPS. Good players will always shine.
takes still to judgement? no just takes you a macro with which you can target an enemy and heal its target thats how i always had judgements up about radiance they made it imba i`d rather have x5 times more healing in pve than some speed cd in pvp.if you do the math you`ll see that judgement per 7sec = 30% spirit so its the same the only thing thats better is now we dont have all that global cd from judgement.+ ppl do use lod ever heard of pve?and btw belligerent is x10 times better than u :)
I agree with totally, i mean there are actually some paladins that are able to handle the judgement thing. If you cnat handle to judgement someone every 8 seconds you should really ask yourself if your a good holy paladin.
@DannnLixi but then he doesn't need to say stuff like "I don't understand why Blizzard would do this"
"judging ever time it comes up separated good paladins from badQQ"
I mean, those changes are obviously made for Pve when the paladin just can't affort to waste a Gcd for mana. the holy radiance is also a Pve change and blizzard is not trying to take away your funQQ. they just balanced out pvp and pve.
I understand what you're saying about the judgements and for me, it's bad news as I always used to judgement every 7 seconds. However, Blizzard are trying to make the game more accessible to younger people, which is kind of the target audience of the game so I understand why they have made it more passive.
Wait, so appearently it takes skill to play this game? With all the addons it is unbelievably easy. Lets see, Friends + Vent/Skype + Addons. How is that suppose to take skill? Judgement every 8 seconds oh wow that's real hard to keep track of when a power aura the size of a ping pong ball is on you're screen.
I certainly was never the most skilled of healers, but even I had absolutely no trouble healing while using my judgement/hammer/whatever. I was thinking of dusting my Holy set off again, but I think I'll pass on that for now...
Im not a pally but could this be targeted towards PVE raiding were 1 gcd every 7-8 sec seems too much for a healer to be expected to do, since blizz said that they didnt take into account PVP for patch 4.3 or something like that, just putting it out there but your point about the change in the audience they cater to is also very valid
So I PVE and PVP on a holy pally, and I see the judgement change as a nerf both ways, people crying about having to judgment so often, but in actuality it makes it fun. But PVE ruins PVP and vice versa. Its still a gross loss of regen so I can't see it as a buff in anyway.
Dude i get ur complaints , but your so narrowminded ur like well i HR is gona suck for PVP now, well personally PVP paladins dont have many problems, but the AOE healing of PVE is a problem. Also judgementing in PVP was fun and i think more people that about including myself, personally i think it was a change for PVE, because during a Phase or a BOSS swap or smothing ur regen went to shit if u couldnt attack, so it was a PVE change and pvp ( funness) Suffered...thats about it lol
Keep in mind that several of these changes were for PVE, and not PVP. Holy Radiance, for example, is exponentially better for raiding than it was. I was at first against it, but it is incredibly good for PVE.
Basicly what I gathered from this is we got fucked. I'm inclined to agree with the mana regen issue, and imo if a Hpally can't multi-task then they should re-roll. Harsh, but true.
i like the changes cuz it helps alot in pve, but ya maybe it does suck in pvp but meh i dont bother about pvp :P the mana regen helped me alot now and i play holy paladin for 1 year now and i see the different since they change the judgement now it is way easier i dont have to keep it on cd all the time :D now we will benefit spirit stat even more The more spirit the better it will be with the 30% increase <3
i completely agree. Its ridiculous how easy theyre gonna make it. Im used to judging everytime the cd is up. now i dont have to do it for 60 seconds? do they really want us to just stand there and heal, what do they think this is PvE??????
with the holy shock thing you its actually a good thing since the rag tier bonus gives u mana back for holy shocking but in the ptr its just a reason to cast holy light lol
Sacred, I don't think the change to Seal of Insight was done to make the lives of Holy easier or take the skill out. I think they wanted to nerf it and pawn it off as a good thing. What this really is is a stat priority nerf. With the old version, Spirit was less of a necessity since it was based off base Intellect. Now, we will have to stack a lot more Spirit to see similar regen numbers.
This is actually really good. You want to know why? Cause from my experience so far, it takes about 3-5 people 5 minutes just to kill one damn holy paladin, We were sitting there wailing on one for about 5 minutes spamming all our cooldowns, and the hpally was just sitting there healing. To me, that is OP. So props to bliz for a good nerf!
I don't want to start a flame war, but either your 3-5 people weren't "good" or you over-exaggerate.
HPalas are/were geared a little more towards instants, but 5 people shouldn't have a problem layering on enough lockouts, blanket silences, stuns, interrupts and damage. Either there was a HUGE gear gap between the one HPala and you 3-5, or you bunch weren't being as efficient as you could have been in stopping him/her.
I agree with you, however I think the reason they are doing this is because people are QQing that pallys in and in pvp are ending fights will full mana. Also another reason I think is because it can for some people be stressful for people to judgement every 7 sec in a raid when your tank healing or even raid healing...this is a way for them to get around it an like you said take the skill out of a pally...but if there is alot of damage going out its apperently hard to focus a mob/boss/player
@Survivalhunterfan11 No reason to mention ilvl unless you thought it was something to be proud of. You were implying that not all 12 year olds are bad - thus implying 376 was a "good" gear level.
Just wait till MoP... they're dumbing down the game too much to cope for new or unskilled players which absolutely stupid at end-game. By all means, make levels 1-30 easier to get players to learn the ropes faster. Make the players smarter, don't make the game dumber. BGs, Arenas, and PvE are all getting less interesting so it's just something you do to get gear instead of something you do for enjoyment.
So no more Holy Pallies with infinite mana in PvP? LOL ... I can understand that change but not too sure what to think about change's to Holy Radiance.
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I agree this is a nerf for pvp hPala's but if you think, blizzard aim to please the majority right? and i dont wanna cause an arguement but i believe the majority are pve'ers... and this is effectively a buff for pve holy palas. yeah its true, it makes it less skill required but again, blizzards wider aim is to please the majority of players and i believe thats what they've done here...
when i first saw the to the hpally i was actually happy for it but i personally do not pvp often mostly because i guess im a pve hero and have never really pvp'd in a serious manner. However i do see your point on it. i wish blizz could just make a way to make pvp and pve specs different entirely
changing holy radiance was a fail imo.. it doesnt heal an incredible amount to begin with but it was nice to help in raid healing when you have to spam to get the tank back up everyone else is getting a little hp back over time.. making it a cast is a mistake
Judgement was the boss, I could get mana back, heal myself, and heal the tank with the same ability...but now pallies just starting out will have almost no mana regen and the HFL people will just spam flash of light all day.
blizzard needs to see this video, and as for holy pally's they are fucked, might have to go on my resto shaman unfortunatly, im an altaholic and i love my hpally, i just finally made him my main, this is real bull shit blizzard cmon
@Seallie not at all... you still have zealotry and wings and they buffed ur 2h wep damage. they NERFED sub rogues, mages are always the same... but why not READ ALL OF THE NOTES before complaining?
Zealotry/Wings get dispelled the second you pop them in Arena, have you even tried it above 2.2k ?
That shit 5% boost on 2h wep won't cut it, it may be a PvE boost, but for anyone that only does PvP, it's a real nerf.
I will stop complaining the day they will stop nerfing Pallies for no valuable reason and give them, a WoG that actually works and trade the Zealotry/Wings dependence for some sustained damage.
I have to disagree on some point because you clearly didn't think everything over.
did you consider judging every 8 seconds might be hard in Raiding? in intense moments of raiding?
and the man regen got buffed because you don't use holy radience as often now which saves tons of mana.
also the speed buff originally came from the Holy priest's 'Body and soul' and you should be glad blizz gave it to you in the first place, they gave you that fun.
I play a PvE Pally on 6/7 heroic. And i i can see the Idea of the passive, on fights like baleroc/beth tilac and ragnaros, there are series of 15s+ you cannot stop to cast a judgement, the only thing you can stop DRing for is a CD. So im sorry for the nerfs to PvP. But having seen the tier set bonus's for the next patch. Paladins will need the raid healing this gives. Before Majord got nerfed, holy paladins did about 30% of healing as other classes. We need this for PvE, PvP can be sorted after
i guess [Improved Judgement] will be 0/2 and [Last Word] 2/2... you have 52 sec to move and judge a target ,,,, and [Blessed Life] depends on the next raid AOE spells
I disagree, changing judgement was a quality of life issue. Having to judge every time its up was annoying. This has nothing to do with skill. Go cast exorcism now in it's place, you'll help out more.
More and more I play this Game I start to not like it. I cant play the game all day so gearing is a pain in the ass. When I finnally start to get good gear a new patch is coming out and its all useless. Maybe its time to just go to the new Star wars one. Hell maybe get back into FPS. Atleast it dont get shit on by nerfs and shit. uh.
Like Athlete said to Athene, most people that play WoW are just noobs that don't know and can't play their class. I've pugged enough raids, dungeons, and RBGs to know that most people suck (on both Horde and Alliance, on several different servers like Cho'Gall, Kil'Jaeden, Shattered Halls, and Emerald Dream).
blizzard is trying to change things in favor of casuals and non try hards like they have since launch. also the 15% mana return from judgement was redonkulous in pvp as you could never run out of mana to heal.
Fucking mother fuck blizzard. Its like Zybak said. The game is being balanced around low rated arena/PvE. Also trying to encourage us to HARD CAST? WTF? As if... This game is done. I think they may be TRYING to kill off the people with half a brain and want to boil the game down to the derpa derps and kids who will just chew and swallow whole, any bullshit blizzard feeds them. Oh and umm..GIVE US SACRED SHIELD BACK YOU BASTARDS.
Hey sacred, from 1 2.2K + hpally to another.. i completely agree... and i did some fast math on the mana return change from seal of insight and its about a 50% nerf but obvious rng involved only if you are actually judging EVERY 8 seconds is it a nerf.. having between 2k and 2.5k mana per 5 from spirit depending on procs.. 30% would be between 800 and 850 mana more per 5... so thats about 9,500-10k mana back per minute through the new way... as opposed to 17k-18k the old way per min.. vote up
Being a holy pally for a year in pvp using judgment off CD was something i ALWAYS did and after doing that for so long the CD of judge is burned into my brain so when it's off CD i can feel it without looking down at it. And i always feel that whenever im on a another character like resto druid i feel like i have to judge or it just seems weird to me.
its cute how hes thinking about the changes with a pvp perspective. its a pve game sacred. when they make these changes they don't do it with pvp in mind.
@datucan They said that they want to have paladins use the AoE heal more often directly saying it for Arenas... But i agree majority of this game is pve based about like 90% lol. This shows they do think about pvp but almost has no influence
blizz is just making this game so easy cause they don't give a f*ck bout skilled players, they just want the money. and how to do it better then by making this game even easier so everyone can play it (no matter how much they suck). Blizz has dissapointed me again ://
Make sure you read the 4.3 blog to understand some of the changes. Anyway, it's a PvE game with PvP crammed in..it's been almost 6 years, you should know better.
Divine Protection is going to be a 30 second CD. You won't get 2 every 40 seconds but one every 30.
Holy Paladins needed a good AoE heal for PvE, imo the changes are great in that respect.
Yes, good paladins judge on cooldown, but lets face it - this was just a QoL change for the average player. 30% spirit regen is a nice buff.
I play a Holy Paladin 6/7 heroic 25 man, and I can't stand the new changes. I don't mind the judgement. If you people think it's going to take less skill because somebody can't press a single button from time to time, you're retarded. The new holy radiance totally blows aswell. I watched videos on it, and it's just prayer of healing. Hurray, now we're holy priests. Get real, blizz.
It is both actually, you cannot create a game like WoW, without having to create an equality among it. PvE and PvP healing are basically the same, but PvP is harder in some aspects. And Sacred is mainly a pvp healer, so he is commenting off of what he believes and what half of the game he plays.
Sacred, I play a PvE pally heals (2/7 heroic) and i agree, I heal against another pally and a druid and we are always challenged but always come out on top, now this is gonna be WAY to easy, I personally think that they are focusing more on PvE than PvP. You agree?
Well, I don't like how they said its hard to judgment every 8 seconds while targeting players to heal them. I NEVER target players to heal them. That's what Healium and other healing addons are for. Duh!
I agree with you 100%. although, mana burn does get annoying (I play a pally healer) it needs to be toned down a bit, with some sort of cd on it. so they cannot just keep spamming it.
I can't remember the last time I actually targeted someone to heal them on my paladin. lol That's what we got Vuhdo/gridclique/healbot for lol I have the boss targeted at all times so I can judge.. Guess that is no more. I won't be able to beat everyone to it when someone asks what percent the boss is at.. lol
i believe blizz is just making changes in their game just to make changes, no matter what it is, they just want to have the pride of their game changing and improving, and the truth is it is just annoying as fuck. watching 2200 players get beat by 1500 players in duels based off the unbalanced game is just bullshit, im actually kinda mad and wish blizz would just invite a pro player who actually thinks about the changes to decide for them
@Sacredheals Honestly you and your guild killed pvp because it draws all the shit players to want to pvp even more and it destroys pve. Maybe blizzard wants to get more people to pve that's why they are making all these changes. Have you ever taking that under consideration?
Sacred, I completely disagree with what Blizzard has done to paladins. I could care less whether they made Hpal easier, but these nerfs and these changes really sadden me. I love playing Hpal, I'm not much of a dps'er. Anywho, I strongly dislike the 3second cast time for HR, that's just another way for us to get CS'd, don't really think moving SoL to DP is that bad of an idea and I'm sure you know why, but more importantly your correct how we Hpals keep our mana up... by judging every 8secs!
Judging on cool down was not hard, at all. It required no special skill. It was a clunky way to regen mana and the mana it did regen didn't even scale properly.
Looks like pvp hpallies will have to gear/enchant/reforge spirit to keep their mana full all the time.
If anyone thought that a resto shaman having a 6 second cooldown ranged interrupt (the only healer to have a ranged interrupt.and the only ranged interrupt that is not 21-24 seconds) was balanced and not going to change, you where dreaming.
@funlovin1155 the interupt didnt lock u out of a spell school (like all other ranged interrupts do). it just gave u a 2 sec gcd..... (1 for the cast of heal, and another after a successful interrupt) What they should do is add the spell school factor to it so that they're on par with mages and locks.
The Judge change was clearly from Raiding paladins, Doing current hardmodes (I.E firelands) there are very few globals to judge, adding in a casted aoe that only lasts 3 secs...even less globals.
I am sorry that the changes made PvP less fun for you, but please understand that it is very very very clearly focused on PvE which the developers have always said that bring forced into a direction they will always do what benefits PvE.
The thing that got me is were it says "Judging every eight seconds is hard to ask someone who is also targeting players to heal them". WTF THIS JUST SHOWS WERE THE SKILL HAS GONE
No Sacred, ooming the enemy pally only to have him get 15% mana outa nowhere is kind of stupid..... also I dont even play a pally It's so easy to get CCed as one that having to do that every 7 seconds is kinda meh. Ur just mad cuz you're not getting BURST MANA back. get over it man
I lost some respect for you Sacred. The only thing I see that is wrong is the Judgement issue. Radiance is fine, you really don't need EVERY 20 SECONDS (No cooldown now but still). My bet is that they will reduce its mana cost by 30-40%.
i'm telling you sacred you might want to step away from wow and when GW2 or SWTOR play those, wow has been just getting worse and worse.I stop playing 3 months ago due to the PVP BS, and i do raid it's just to stupid though. The whole game quality has been going down since BC. you might so "ohh well LK had the most players" well that's true but doesn't say that the game was good.
u r absolutely right - that s been bs lawl - kids can stay at 1.8k -.- if they get there
MrDareius91 1 day ago in playlist Sacredheals
FUCKING NOOB holy radiance is the BEST aoe heal in the game!!!!!
delaneyd77 5 days ago
wtf is with blizzard and their new love for aoe healing?
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MrSnday 3 weeks ago
This is awful. In wotlk i played holy paladin like all the time, also shaman(my alt) and i checked patch notes out, both of them god crapped on. Shamans weren't that huge in arena EVER (even wotlk not that good) and even more nerfed. And yeah, instead of making pally more active, they change it more passive and in MoP they will complain, that he is too passive. Good thing i play disc priest in cata.
markomancikas 1 month ago
I agree with most that is said about the holy pally. I play one myself an my heals were great before 4.3 now I had to redo my entire tree just for raiding again. Plus I loved the insta-cast holy radiance as it was a great "oh fuck" type of button when it was needed in 5 mans when ppl got dumb.
I tried the judgement last night on DS raid I was still getting a small amount of mana like +93 mana lol but when I was hitting shit it was around +1300 or so.
Hope fully in the next patch Blizz fixes
MrWhothetank 1 month ago
Dude! I totally agree with you! I dont know what blizzard was thinking about when they made these changes! Man, i love wow and blizzard, but on 4.3 they have made so many fails, it shouldnt even be possible!!
vkvisli 1 month ago
I WAS GOING TO MAKE A HOLY PALADIN.......
Zeikid 1 month ago
So I always have this disliking of people saying that making something easier makes it less skill intensive. While you do bring up great points about the decisions process about using your judgments versus an important heal. Though that is a great example of a skill heavy idea removing it doesn't mean that the skill cap is lowered. People complain about such things in PVE when they made aggro too easy to keep with Tanking, and what did good tanks do? More DPS. Good players will always shine.
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jiggasosa 2 months ago
takes still to judgement? no just takes you a macro with which you can target an enemy and heal its target thats how i always had judgements up about radiance they made it imba i`d rather have x5 times more healing in pve than some speed cd in pvp.if you do the math you`ll see that judgement per 7sec = 30% spirit so its the same the only thing thats better is now we dont have all that global cd from judgement.+ ppl do use lod ever heard of pve?and btw belligerent is x10 times better than u :)
JuSiCaR91 2 months ago
@JuSiCaR91 skill *
JuSiCaR91 2 months ago
@JuSiCaR91 Finally somebody who doesn't kiss his arse. exacly my point. but I get his fanboys QQ all over me -_-
KingBull24 2 months ago
I agree with totally, i mean there are actually some paladins that are able to handle the judgement thing. If you cnat handle to judgement someone every 8 seconds you should really ask yourself if your a good holy paladin.
freddan11 2 months ago
@freddan11 Pve
KingBull24 2 months ago
I like how he thinks that Wow is pvp only.
That every change is based around pvp.
I do wonder what those dungeons and raids are tho, are they some 25-man pvp events?
KingBull24 2 months ago
@KingBull24 Hes a PVP player you idiot
DannnLixi 2 months ago
@DannnLixi You hould learn to read and think before calling others an idiot.
I know he is a pvp player but the way he talks implies that he thinks that every change blizzard makes is pvp focussed.
he forgets that Wow also has a Pve side when discussing these things.
KingBull24 2 months ago
@KingBull24 No he doesn't forget, he just doesn't care.
DannnLixi 2 months ago
@DannnLixi but then he doesn't need to say stuff like "I don't understand why Blizzard would do this"
"judging ever time it comes up separated good paladins from badQQ"
I mean, those changes are obviously made for Pve when the paladin just can't affort to waste a Gcd for mana. the holy radiance is also a Pve change and blizzard is not trying to take away your funQQ. they just balanced out pvp and pve.
KingBull24 2 months ago
@KingBull24 Why write so much.. I'm not reading that long ass comment
DannnLixi 1 month ago
@DannnLixi well atleast you care enough to reply.
but really, that's too much to read? I guess you need that time on your homework?
KingBull24 1 month ago
@KingBull24 What?
DannnLixi 1 month ago
You dont know what you are talking about!
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lmSean06 2 months ago
I understand what you're saying about the judgements and for me, it's bad news as I always used to judgement every 7 seconds. However, Blizzard are trying to make the game more accessible to younger people, which is kind of the target audience of the game so I understand why they have made it more passive.
TheHoffman95 2 months ago
Omg blizzard. You fucked my class up. THANKS ALOT
PeanutsGaming 2 months ago
@PeanutsGaming are u kidding me? they have just made paladins better... atleast in pve....
WilliamStenberg 2 months ago
@WilliamStenberg Well im not talking about pve. They completely fucked the pvp pally.
PeanutsGaming 2 months ago
Wait, so appearently it takes skill to play this game? With all the addons it is unbelievably easy. Lets see, Friends + Vent/Skype + Addons. How is that suppose to take skill? Judgement every 8 seconds oh wow that's real hard to keep track of when a power aura the size of a ping pong ball is on you're screen.
Arcaynex 2 months ago
@Arcaynex I want to slap your grandma`s face!
killjoy95590 2 months ago
@Arcaynex No ... No , I want to slap ... uhm ... hmmm ... your face !!!! yea that`ll be like a kick in the balls but instead its a slap in the face!
killjoy95590 2 months ago
@killjoy95590 you ok bro? it took me less then a week to gear my holy paladin dont know how to do it at all and i did just fine in healing
Arcaynex 2 months ago
WTF is Blizzard thinking? Things are perfect the way the were, now this sucks! I'm done healing with paladin!
metanomhk 2 months ago
I certainly was never the most skilled of healers, but even I had absolutely no trouble healing while using my judgement/hammer/whatever. I was thinking of dusting my Holy set off again, but I think I'll pass on that for now...
StrategicWarfareXIII 2 months ago
Im not a pally but could this be targeted towards PVE raiding were 1 gcd every 7-8 sec seems too much for a healer to be expected to do, since blizz said that they didnt take into account PVP for patch 4.3 or something like that, just putting it out there but your point about the change in the audience they cater to is also very valid
Zah3an 2 months ago
So I PVE and PVP on a holy pally, and I see the judgement change as a nerf both ways, people crying about having to judgment so often, but in actuality it makes it fun. But PVE ruins PVP and vice versa. Its still a gross loss of regen so I can't see it as a buff in anyway.
instiinct13 2 months ago
I agree with you Sacred. Too many bad paladins will come from the passive mana regen.
metzer11 2 months ago
Dude i get ur complaints , but your so narrowminded ur like well i HR is gona suck for PVP now, well personally PVP paladins dont have many problems, but the AOE healing of PVE is a problem. Also judgementing in PVP was fun and i think more people that about including myself, personally i think it was a change for PVE, because during a Phase or a BOSS swap or smothing ur regen went to shit if u couldnt attack, so it was a PVE change and pvp ( funness) Suffered...thats about it lol
echoside89 2 months ago
@FawxNewbz ....Intellect :]
DuskyNoodles 3 months ago
Keep in mind that several of these changes were for PVE, and not PVP. Holy Radiance, for example, is exponentially better for raiding than it was. I was at first against it, but it is incredibly good for PVE.
ecokrazy 3 months ago
I fucking agree bull shit come one wtf sigh
Danrado1 3 months ago
Inclined to agree with Sacred on the mana issue*
abomination110 3 months ago
Basicly what I gathered from this is we got fucked. I'm inclined to agree with the mana regen issue, and imo if a Hpally can't multi-task then they should re-roll. Harsh, but true.
abomination110 3 months ago
i like the changes cuz it helps alot in pve, but ya maybe it does suck in pvp but meh i dont bother about pvp :P the mana regen helped me alot now and i play holy paladin for 1 year now and i see the different since they change the judgement now it is way easier i dont have to keep it on cd all the time :D now we will benefit spirit stat even more The more spirit the better it will be with the 30% increase <3
deniz280 3 months ago
i completely agree. Its ridiculous how easy theyre gonna make it. Im used to judging everytime the cd is up. now i dont have to do it for 60 seconds? do they really want us to just stand there and heal, what do they think this is PvE??????
Deadkittens420 3 months ago
omg since everything is nerfed, holy radiance shouldnt cost so much fucking mana..
noaahxd 3 months ago
with the holy shock thing you its actually a good thing since the rag tier bonus gives u mana back for holy shocking but in the ptr its just a reason to cast holy light lol
Hurricane9th 3 months ago
Sacred, I don't think the change to Seal of Insight was done to make the lives of Holy easier or take the skill out. I think they wanted to nerf it and pawn it off as a good thing. What this really is is a stat priority nerf. With the old version, Spirit was less of a necessity since it was based off base Intellect. Now, we will have to stack a lot more Spirit to see similar regen numbers.
jarjarbanks22 3 months ago
lol yes resto shamans did get 'crapped on'
GiObOii 3 months ago
This is actually really good. You want to know why? Cause from my experience so far, it takes about 3-5 people 5 minutes just to kill one damn holy paladin, We were sitting there wailing on one for about 5 minutes spamming all our cooldowns, and the hpally was just sitting there healing. To me, that is OP. So props to bliz for a good nerf!
xDeadTwinx 3 months ago
@xDeadTwinx
I don't want to start a flame war, but either your 3-5 people weren't "good" or you over-exaggerate.
HPalas are/were geared a little more towards instants, but 5 people shouldn't have a problem layering on enough lockouts, blanket silences, stuns, interrupts and damage. Either there was a HUGE gear gap between the one HPala and you 3-5, or you bunch weren't being as efficient as you could have been in stopping him/her.
codephant 3 months ago
you just earnt my subscription =)
alexvrynios 3 months ago
I agree with you, however I think the reason they are doing this is because people are QQing that pallys in and in pvp are ending fights will full mana. Also another reason I think is because it can for some people be stressful for people to judgement every 7 sec in a raid when your tank healing or even raid healing...this is a way for them to get around it an like you said take the skill out of a pally...but if there is alot of damage going out its apperently hard to focus a mob/boss/player
jdwsmurf 3 months ago
im 12 and ive got a 376 il and you offended me lol:)
Survivalhunterfan11 3 months ago
@Survivalhunterfan11 376 ain't shit.
MachSchnellGuitar 3 months ago
@MachSchnellGuitar where exactly did i say it was?
Survivalhunterfan11 3 months ago
@Survivalhunterfan11 No reason to mention ilvl unless you thought it was something to be proud of. You were implying that not all 12 year olds are bad - thus implying 376 was a "good" gear level.
MachSchnellGuitar 3 months ago
I heard 2.2k is hard amg
TehModdahnewb 3 months ago
Just wait till MoP... they're dumbing down the game too much to cope for new or unskilled players which absolutely stupid at end-game. By all means, make levels 1-30 easier to get players to learn the ropes faster. Make the players smarter, don't make the game dumber. BGs, Arenas, and PvE are all getting less interesting so it's just something you do to get gear instead of something you do for enjoyment.
Buhz3rk 4 months ago
So no more Holy Pallies with infinite mana in PvP? LOL ... I can understand that change but not too sure what to think about change's to Holy Radiance.
SothicLight 4 months ago
Could be worse. You could be a Warrior in Rift.
poeun 4 months ago
They are nerfing every healer... exept shamans?
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EazeARENA 4 months ago
I agree this is a nerf for pvp hPala's but if you think, blizzard aim to please the majority right? and i dont wanna cause an arguement but i believe the majority are pve'ers... and this is effectively a buff for pve holy palas. yeah its true, it makes it less skill required but again, blizzards wider aim is to please the majority of players and i believe thats what they've done here...
TubTub1994 4 months ago
when i first saw the to the hpally i was actually happy for it but i personally do not pvp often mostly because i guess im a pve hero and have never really pvp'd in a serious manner. However i do see your point on it. i wish blizz could just make a way to make pvp and pve specs different entirely
TheJesuschrist2012 4 months ago
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WereGonnaFindYou 4 months ago
changing holy radiance was a fail imo.. it doesnt heal an incredible amount to begin with but it was nice to help in raid healing when you have to spam to get the tank back up everyone else is getting a little hp back over time.. making it a cast is a mistake
Brigis14 4 months ago
With the Shaman nerf there is a new talent called reverberation which decreases the cooldown all the way to 5 seconds, so its basically a buff? :S
MrGunnnah 4 months ago
@MrGunnnah only for elemental. means healers can't keep locking you out :D
IronHarper 4 months ago
@IronHarper oh hehe :P
MrGunnnah 4 months ago
Judgement was the boss, I could get mana back, heal myself, and heal the tank with the same ability...but now pallies just starting out will have almost no mana regen and the HFL people will just spam flash of light all day.
WorgenFreewolf 4 months ago
blizzard needs to see this video, and as for holy pally's they are fucked, might have to go on my resto shaman unfortunatly, im an altaholic and i love my hpally, i just finally made him my main, this is real bull shit blizzard cmon
flyffboi 4 months ago
Blizzard is making this game for 10 year old kids and people that don't know wtf there doing fuck em wtb Wolk.
p6ptana9e99z 4 months ago
Good holy pallys despite what you may think are op In arenas and bgs...
SwarthyRevolutions 4 months ago
Funny how they made Ret completely useless with the Sanctified Wrath nerf...
First they take out our WoG spam(Which was balanced), now they are taking out the only high burst talent that we have, making AW a joke.
Now Ret is dead, Prot is nothing viable anymore, and Holy is still uncertain.
But Sub Rogues and Frost Mages are perfectly balanced, right ? Buff them some more Blizzard please ? It's way too hard to kill a Paladin !
Seallie 4 months ago
@Seallie not at all... you still have zealotry and wings and they buffed ur 2h wep damage. they NERFED sub rogues, mages are always the same... but why not READ ALL OF THE NOTES before complaining?
Pellysoccer 4 months ago
@Pellysoccer That's still major bullshit.
Zealotry/Wings get dispelled the second you pop them in Arena, have you even tried it above 2.2k ?
That shit 5% boost on 2h wep won't cut it, it may be a PvE boost, but for anyone that only does PvP, it's a real nerf.
I will stop complaining the day they will stop nerfing Pallies for no valuable reason and give them, a WoG that actually works and trade the Zealotry/Wings dependence for some sustained damage.
Seallie 4 months ago
I have to disagree on some point because you clearly didn't think everything over.
did you consider judging every 8 seconds might be hard in Raiding? in intense moments of raiding?
and the man regen got buffed because you don't use holy radience as often now which saves tons of mana.
also the speed buff originally came from the Holy priest's 'Body and soul' and you should be glad blizz gave it to you in the first place, they gave you that fun.
and wind shear can be talented to 5 seconds.
KingBull24 4 months ago
Yes, agreed. This is retarded. How easy are they going to make us? How can I be the better paladin on my server if they just make it easier?
wowEnedra 4 months ago
agree but i dont play holy :P
cornytheman 4 months ago
I play a PvE Pally on 6/7 heroic. And i i can see the Idea of the passive, on fights like baleroc/beth tilac and ragnaros, there are series of 15s+ you cannot stop to cast a judgement, the only thing you can stop DRing for is a CD. So im sorry for the nerfs to PvP. But having seen the tier set bonus's for the next patch. Paladins will need the raid healing this gives. Before Majord got nerfed, holy paladins did about 30% of healing as other classes. We need this for PvE, PvP can be sorted after
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Doronamo 4 months ago
i guess [Improved Judgement] will be 0/2 and [Last Word] 2/2... you have 52 sec to move and judge a target ,,,, and [Blessed Life] depends on the next raid AOE spells
kingyoly 4 months ago
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kingyoly 4 months ago
I DONT CARE FOR PVP SO PLEASE STOP THINKING THERE IS ONLY PVP IN THE GAME SACRED
liamhys 4 months ago
holy pala death inc :( have to go ret what shit
matfighter007 4 months ago
Sacred u nailed it bro! rofl i wanted to quit readin at insight part as well = /
Bpalaa 5 months ago
It makes the 'main game' a lot easier.. And why is pvp a mini game?
maatje8 5 months ago
sorry the patch notes didnt make your mini game fun (pvp) but it helps a lot with the main game
bigspook999 5 months ago
@bigspook999 PvP is just as big as PvE, just blizzard doesn't pay much attention to PvP as much as PvE
PaztaProductions 5 months ago
I disagree, changing judgement was a quality of life issue. Having to judge every time its up was annoying. This has nothing to do with skill. Go cast exorcism now in it's place, you'll help out more.
0pp0se7 5 months ago
OMG they are focusing PVE and nerf PvP FTW! :(
EUKlaister 5 months ago
More and more I play this Game I start to not like it. I cant play the game all day so gearing is a pain in the ass. When I finnally start to get good gear a new patch is coming out and its all useless. Maybe its time to just go to the new Star wars one. Hell maybe get back into FPS. Atleast it dont get shit on by nerfs and shit. uh.
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Hobomo85 5 months ago
Like Athlete said to Athene, most people that play WoW are just noobs that don't know and can't play their class. I've pugged enough raids, dungeons, and RBGs to know that most people suck (on both Horde and Alliance, on several different servers like Cho'Gall, Kil'Jaeden, Shattered Halls, and Emerald Dream).
mrdaoyang4 5 months ago
blizzard is trying to change things in favor of casuals and non try hards like they have since launch. also the 15% mana return from judgement was redonkulous in pvp as you could never run out of mana to heal.
kain50144 5 months ago
yeah wows has been pretty bad sense cata. Lets hope next expantion they can recover from the terible one
pacman1650 5 months ago
The judgement change is a PvE regen buff at least, idk how much spirit is on PvP gear
Grannymuncher 5 months ago
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Can the mana regen buff from new judgement be dispelled? if so, re rolling priest.
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NocturnalKarnage 5 months ago
yay another cast to get locked down with.
pievendor2000 5 months ago 11
whenever my class gets easier to play im happy, your sad about it lol.
NickW0608 5 months ago
Fucking mother fuck blizzard. Its like Zybak said. The game is being balanced around low rated arena/PvE. Also trying to encourage us to HARD CAST? WTF? As if... This game is done. I think they may be TRYING to kill off the people with half a brain and want to boil the game down to the derpa derps and kids who will just chew and swallow whole, any bullshit blizzard feeds them. Oh and umm..GIVE US SACRED SHIELD BACK YOU BASTARDS.
MrKikiobii 5 months ago 3
Hey sacred, from 1 2.2K + hpally to another.. i completely agree... and i did some fast math on the mana return change from seal of insight and its about a 50% nerf but obvious rng involved only if you are actually judging EVERY 8 seconds is it a nerf.. having between 2k and 2.5k mana per 5 from spirit depending on procs.. 30% would be between 800 and 850 mana more per 5... so thats about 9,500-10k mana back per minute through the new way... as opposed to 17k-18k the old way per min.. vote up
babeshake 5 months ago 23
Being a holy pally for a year in pvp using judgment off CD was something i ALWAYS did and after doing that for so long the CD of judge is burned into my brain so when it's off CD i can feel it without looking down at it. And i always feel that whenever im on a another character like resto druid i feel like i have to judge or it just seems weird to me.
bkrivers8425 5 months ago
Wtf they are removing even more skill stuff. Didnt know what was possible
fratta21 5 months ago
Blame Obama for this Shit.....
schamploo1 5 months ago
its cute how hes thinking about the changes with a pvp perspective. its a pve game sacred. when they make these changes they don't do it with pvp in mind.
datucan 5 months ago
@datucan They said that they want to have paladins use the AoE heal more often directly saying it for Arenas... But i agree majority of this game is pve based about like 90% lol. This shows they do think about pvp but almost has no influence
jkotis564 5 months ago
QQ... I play a shaman... All i have to say is im playing ele now... no more resto for me.
MMOcritic 5 months ago
This game isn't fun anymore.
babelkid 5 months ago
@babelkid I agree m8, played it for a long time now... I miss old WoW :/
TheGreentomato123 5 months ago
@TheGreentomato123 I agree, Cata has ruined the game :(
babelkid 5 months ago
This is stupid.
babelkid 5 months ago
Thank god, holy pallys have been stupid this whole season.
bigboy1295 5 months ago
blizz is just making this game so easy cause they don't give a f*ck bout skilled players, they just want the money. and how to do it better then by making this game even easier so everyone can play it (no matter how much they suck). Blizz has dissapointed me again ://
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ChathamFr0 5 months ago
Make sure you read the 4.3 blog to understand some of the changes. Anyway, it's a PvE game with PvP crammed in..it's been almost 6 years, you should know better.
Divine Protection is going to be a 30 second CD. You won't get 2 every 40 seconds but one every 30.
Holy Paladins needed a good AoE heal for PvE, imo the changes are great in that respect.
Yes, good paladins judge on cooldown, but lets face it - this was just a QoL change for the average player. 30% spirit regen is a nice buff.
ChathamFr0 5 months ago
Sorry about that. It errored out quite a few times. Looks like it posted 6 times. :x
ChathamFr0 5 months ago
Welcome to the world of warriors, we're also being more esay to play every patch :) less fun and remain unstable.
theasdnightmare 5 months ago
This is such Bull! Holy Pallys are getting shafted so hard. Mana regen is just a cluster f*ck now.........wtf Blizzard
Chesky45 5 months ago
THIS IS SUCH BS!!! I JUST started getting to be a good 3v3 arena Holy Paladin!!!!!!!
lan21312 5 months ago
Sad to see one of the most happy-go-lucky wow players reduced to this over some patch notes.
snacksgt 5 months ago
I play a Holy Paladin 6/7 heroic 25 man, and I can't stand the new changes. I don't mind the judgement. If you people think it's going to take less skill because somebody can't press a single button from time to time, you're retarded. The new holy radiance totally blows aswell. I watched videos on it, and it's just prayer of healing. Hurray, now we're holy priests. Get real, blizz.
hemeon 5 months ago
These patch notes are based upon the feedback threads they did, they think this is what we want.
axel31495 5 months ago
I agree completely sacred and light of dawn won't be viable unless they increase the range to 40 yards lol bc imma be los anyways
travisoffline36 5 months ago
meh teh judge is ok but holy radiance its total bullshit
JasonBigss 5 months ago
my heart sunk when i saw this...
Debowas 5 months ago
Sacred, this is a PVE game, not a PVP one, its getting balanced around that.
PVP isnt apart of balancing really.
nathanily 5 months ago
@nathanily
It is both actually, you cannot create a game like WoW, without having to create an equality among it. PvE and PvP healing are basically the same, but PvP is harder in some aspects. And Sacred is mainly a pvp healer, so he is commenting off of what he believes and what half of the game he plays.
ace145230 5 months ago
@ace145230
blizzard have stated many times that they dont balance the game around pvp, and they havnt done it with any of their games, with exceptions to SC2.
blizzard does not cater for pvp at all.
nathanily 5 months ago
Sacred, I play a PvE pally heals (2/7 heroic) and i agree, I heal against another pally and a druid and we are always challenged but always come out on top, now this is gonna be WAY to easy, I personally think that they are focusing more on PvE than PvP. You agree?
MrDeathsNightmare 5 months ago 19
Well, I don't like how they said its hard to judgment every 8 seconds while targeting players to heal them. I NEVER target players to heal them. That's what Healium and other healing addons are for. Duh!
songsaga 5 months ago
Grr they didnt make any changes to ret O_o
iamuser123456789 5 months ago
we all know blizz doesnt care about pvp. pve is the most fun ever duh
kaysln 5 months ago
MAKE MANA BURN BE AFFECTED BY RESILIENCE.
turbomoonie 5 months ago
@turbomoonie
I agree with you 100%. although, mana burn does get annoying (I play a pally healer) it needs to be toned down a bit, with some sort of cd on it. so they cannot just keep spamming it.
ace145230 5 months ago
I agree 100%, now im going to loose mana because im judging to much :P
akpolarbears 5 months ago
I can't remember the last time I actually targeted someone to heal them on my paladin. lol That's what we got Vuhdo/gridclique/healbot for lol I have the boss targeted at all times so I can judge.. Guess that is no more. I won't be able to beat everyone to it when someone asks what percent the boss is at.. lol
BulletproofBistro 5 months ago
i believe blizz is just making changes in their game just to make changes, no matter what it is, they just want to have the pride of their game changing and improving, and the truth is it is just annoying as fuck. watching 2200 players get beat by 1500 players in duels based off the unbalanced game is just bullshit, im actually kinda mad and wish blizz would just invite a pro player who actually thinks about the changes to decide for them
Prugal20 5 months ago
JUDGING IS HARD AMG
TheWoWJoo 5 months ago
3sec cast time for HR...seriously? -.- and nerfing judgement like hell. FUCK YOU BLIZZARD, FUCK YOU. /ragequit If they dont nerf mages too.
ohshitmanda 5 months ago
All these changes are pve oriented.
ElasticFormula 5 months ago
No. Them changing Judgement pisses me the fuck off.
barret46922 5 months ago
@Sacredheals Honestly you and your guild killed pvp because it draws all the shit players to want to pvp even more and it destroys pve. Maybe blizzard wants to get more people to pve that's why they are making all these changes. Have you ever taking that under consideration?
GeekyCheeseman 5 months ago
@GeekyCheeseman rofl so bad
floosh001 5 months ago
@GeekyCheeseman LOL.
Brokencyde504 5 months ago
qq more sacred, jesus
brcdude911 5 months ago
Sacred, I completely disagree with what Blizzard has done to paladins. I could care less whether they made Hpal easier, but these nerfs and these changes really sadden me. I love playing Hpal, I'm not much of a dps'er. Anywho, I strongly dislike the 3second cast time for HR, that's just another way for us to get CS'd, don't really think moving SoL to DP is that bad of an idea and I'm sure you know why, but more importantly your correct how we Hpals keep our mana up... by judging every 8secs!
JokeyJack2121 5 months ago
Mastery applies to holy radiance, bubble stacking pve much?
RockslayerEonar 5 months ago
Judging on cool down was not hard, at all. It required no special skill. It was a clunky way to regen mana and the mana it did regen didn't even scale properly.
Looks like pvp hpallies will have to gear/enchant/reforge spirit to keep their mana full all the time.
The loss of the sprint does suck : (
OPPaladin 5 months ago
If anyone thought that a resto shaman having a 6 second cooldown ranged interrupt (the only healer to have a ranged interrupt.and the only ranged interrupt that is not 21-24 seconds) was balanced and not going to change, you where dreaming.
funlovin1155 5 months ago
@funlovin1155 the interupt didnt lock u out of a spell school (like all other ranged interrupts do). it just gave u a 2 sec gcd..... (1 for the cast of heal, and another after a successful interrupt) What they should do is add the spell school factor to it so that they're on par with mages and locks.
turbomoonie 5 months ago
The Judge change was clearly from Raiding paladins, Doing current hardmodes (I.E firelands) there are very few globals to judge, adding in a casted aoe that only lasts 3 secs...even less globals.
I am sorry that the changes made PvP less fun for you, but please understand that it is very very very clearly focused on PvE which the developers have always said that bring forced into a direction they will always do what benefits PvE.
funlovin1155 5 months ago
You right but that hurt .....
WowRabbel 5 months ago
The thing that got me is were it says "Judging every eight seconds is hard to ask someone who is also targeting players to heal them". WTF THIS JUST SHOWS WERE THE SKILL HAS GONE
VizoMedia 5 months ago
No Sacred, ooming the enemy pally only to have him get 15% mana outa nowhere is kind of stupid..... also I dont even play a pally It's so easy to get CCed as one that having to do that every 7 seconds is kinda meh. Ur just mad cuz you're not getting BURST MANA back. get over it man
toxickremedy 5 months ago
I hate how blizz balances everything round pve
swordcraftergm 5 months ago
im guessing that what they did to holy radiance was for rading like healing rain for shamans and shit
VuhnillaX 5 months ago
Damn.. You... Blizzard.... WIND SHEAR 25sec CD WTFFFFFFFFFFRAAAAAAGEEEEEE
Hortad1 5 months ago
I lost some respect for you Sacred. The only thing I see that is wrong is the Judgement issue. Radiance is fine, you really don't need EVERY 20 SECONDS (No cooldown now but still). My bet is that they will reduce its mana cost by 30-40%.
Vielqt 5 months ago
bow you know how it feels to be a warrior the lastest patches!
Richard91C 5 months ago
i'm telling you sacred you might want to step away from wow and when GW2 or SWTOR play those, wow has been just getting worse and worse.I stop playing 3 months ago due to the PVP BS, and i do raid it's just to stupid though. The whole game quality has been going down since BC. you might so "ohh well LK had the most players" well that's true but doesn't say that the game was good.
TJAkiller92 5 months ago