@HellRehab I know you may not want to hear this, but yes, she does. And so do you and me. Sin is contrary to God's nature so he can't have it with him. We would all go to hell if it weren't for Jesus. I would be right on the path for Hell, and I haven't done anything incredibly sinful either, if it weren't for Jesus, just because of a little disrespect to my parents or stealing something. You have to believe in Him for salvation. It's the only way.
So then a kind elderly Shinto woman, a woman preceded by generations of Shintoists in her family line, who drowned in the recent japanese tsunami deserves to burn, and burn, and be tortured? Really?
Really?
Hip clothes but the same old archaic message. Sounds scarcely distinguishable from Muslim clerics preaching about hell.
@niinja2 you don't owe anything. You just need to accept what Jesus did for you and acknowledge that youre a sinner and the only way to heaven is through Jesus. Then just love God with all your mind heart soul and strength.
Did you know that the "story" of Jesus was written at least 30 years after his death? You call that objective truth? Don't you think some of his amazing "qoutes" may have been slightly exaggerated or totally wrong considering how you won't remeber what I have just told you 30 years from now?
@AussieGossie The point is that people were willing to die for their conviction of seeing resurrected Jesus.Do u think they would just go around writing his every word,or really learn something practical from him.The Gospels had to be written later so that people that live now for example can hear the truth..
@AussieGossie e should also remember that one of the promises Jesus gave His disciples was that He would send them “another helper,” the Holy Spirit, who would teach them all things and ‘bring to your remembrance all that I said to you” (John 14:26). So, whether it was few years or many after Jesus' death that the Gospels were written, we can have total confidence and faith in their completeness and accuracy, knowing that they were written by “men moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter).
christians do not believe we are right simply becuase we do. we know that all religious scriptures claim to be the way to eturnal life, but christ is the only one who PROVED it. no other faith has done that.
I pray that God will have mercy on those who insult Him in this thread. For those of you who keep commenting on evidence and proof of God's existence, all you need to do is look in the mirror, or out the window, or up at the sky. Humans have millions of things they can't prove through science, one of them being their own existence. Remember the "Big Bang" is only a theory, and a theory is something that originated in someone's head. Actually, all evidence does point to Intelligent Design.
@justinBeeler In the mirror I see my reflection, Out the window I see a brick wall, in the sky I can see the sun, the clouds, birds (at night the moon and stars). I don’t understand, where is this evidence you suggest.
We can prove that we exist via science, I think you meant origins, The big bang is a scientific theory. Kinda like gravitational theory or evolutional theory. They are based on evidence and are used to explain it.
@NightHawkBomber001 The things you pointed out ARE the evidence. Creation is evidence of a Creator.
We don't need science to prove that we exist, we already know we exist. How we exist is a question that science can not explain. Why we exist is not something that science can explain. There is no evidence for the Big Bang Theory, and if there is, then tell me, where is it?
@justinBeeler The big bang theory helps explain why the universe is expanding the way it is.
The big bang was not a creative force, and already needed energy and matter.
You claim that How we exist is a question that science can not explain.. depending on how you mean this it may be true. How did that energy and matter form? Was it always there? etc. Heres the thing> I don’t know, And I’ll be dammed before I pick something without evidence.
@justinBeeler "Creation is evidence of a Creator.” - and your assumption is that this is creation. And your assumption is it cannot happen naturally.
@NightHawkBomber001 You're using your physical eyes to find evidence of something that is invisible - that is not possible. The spiritual part of you is the only part that can understand spiritual things. The natural world is experienced by the five senses, but there is a very real spiritual world and you are part of it. Reason and science can't explain the supernatural and the spiritual - it takes the spirit mind to understand it.
@NightHawkBomber001 The Bible also provides a very good explanation for the Universes' constant expansion. The Word of God, the creative force that gave materialized the physical world is constantly in motion. The command "Let there be light" is still being carried out. Rationalize how so many creatures have been given specific instructions on how to survive. Everything that God created reproduces after itself and regenerates itself. Plants, animals, humans, these mechanisms are proof of...
the Creator. These things don't happen by chance. If you agree that it can't happen by chance, then there must have been some intelligent decisions behind it all. Surely you can't believe that everything happens by chance? You know how humans only use a very small percentage of their brains? Well, humans were originally created to live forever, and to have creative abilities to shape the world around them. The human mind operates like Gods, and so our thoughts and words have creative power
@justinBeeler A good explanation is one that does not require faith to believe. I’m sorry but saying that The bibles account is a good explanation is not a good argument because it assumes your God is real, and assumes the bible is accurate, while discounting all other religions, and their holy books. Your free to have faith that Your God did it, but its not an honest claim to say that its a “very good explanation”
@NightHawkBomber001 So do you accept that there are no real explanations? Or that you just don't know what they are? Do you have the answers to the questions deeply embedded in your soul? If not, that is because you don't know what your purpose is for living, because you don't know how you got here and what you're here for. You don't see the wind, you feel it. But because a scientist tells you they can prove it's there, you believe it by hearing the word of the scientist - that is faith.
@justinBeeler I accept that there are no real explanations at this time. It is worth noting, however, Humanities advancement in understanding aspects of the natural world. It may be that in time Better explanations are given or more information is brought to support what is commonly thought. FACT: we don’t know how it all began.
@justinBeeler Taking your example of the wind, to a society where some felt it and others missed it, those who missed it would require faith to believe. However, we have all experienced the wind. Furthermore we can test it, measure it, see it and predict it with technology, etc. You don’t require faith to believe it then because there is so much good information on it, and your free to go get an education on it yourself.
Faith is believing without evidence. Science is about good evidence.
@NightHawkBomber001 Do you deny the existence of anything that you can't touch and feel, measure and rationalize? Do you realize that the Universe is infinitely impossible to understand? Furthermore, since you are so interested in science you must realize that there are forces at work that can't be explained, and the physical world is driven by some unseen force? Surely you must stand in awe of the many wonders found in nature? To whom or what do you attribute that glory? Mankind? Nature?
@justinBeeler To an extent yes, If theres no way to measure, test, feel, etc something what good reason is there to accept it? By all means try to find ways to test it but if you can’t theres no evidence it even is. Do you realize that the Universe is infinitely impossible to understand --> right now perhaps, but mankind has been making advances into understanding aspects of it.
orces at work that can't be explained, - like what?
@NightHawkBomber001 I respect your attitude and ideas. We are all entitled to formulate our own system of beliefs, which is a gift from God. My friend, whether or not you recognize it, accept it, or believe it, there is a world that your physical eyes cannot see and your carnal mind cannot understand, scientists can't measure it, poke it, or prod it - but it is there as sure as this physical world is. You are part of that world, you just don't know it.
@justinBeeler Correction: You believe that there is a spiritual world. If theres no way to test it you cannot know for certain. I am definitely attracted to some of those ideas, I find them interesting, just like the claims of other religions. But when it gets down to knowing, you have beleif.
@NightHawkBomber001 You my good sir are a spirit, who possesses a soul (mind, will and emotions) and you live in a body. Your body is your connection to the physical world, without it you have no earthly jurisdiction. As a spirit being you will live forever in some form - because spirits are eternal. When the spirit leaves the body, it dies. If the spirit re-enters the body, it is revived. The spirit of man is the dna of God-man is the offspring of God.
@justinBeeler Perhaps, perhaps not. I respect your belief, but Without any evidence I can only count it as belief, no matter how attractive, or unattractive it may be
@NightHawkBomber001 Since you admit that science will not answer the questions deeply embedded in your soul in your lifetime, don't you think you should look elsewhere for the answers that the spirit in you desires? You're a logical person... if you start down a path that obviously leads to nowhere, shouldn't you consider the steps you're taking and make an informed decision in order to reach your destination? I promise you, if you want to know whether God exists, you can ask Him for evidence.
@justinBeeler Sure I can look, and explore possibilities. But something I cannot test, measure, comprehend, etc cannot be counted as an answer as it would be a belief. Furthermore, I’m not afraid of what I don’t know. I accept that I won’t know all the answers, but that doen’t mean i should be discouraged
@justinBeeler Surely you must stand in awe of the many wonders found in nature? To whom or what do you attribute that glory? Mankind? Nature? ---> attribute glory too? I appreciate nature for what it is. Why must I attribute it to a god?
@NightHawkBomber001 A scientist or atheist can never sufficiently describe the purpose of the human experience. They deny the existence of God, but yet say that the cosmos and everyone are connected in some way. Yet they promote the idea that our existence came from some random chaotic event - but nothing about the human experience is random or chaotic. All the functions of the body are carefully designed, as are the universe and nature. Even the laws of physics refute the idea that all this
@justinBeeler Well actually they could claim that we are all connected. I can provide you with good secular arguments as to why. A far as purpose goes. Theres no evidence that there is a grand purpose to it all, in reality we give meaning to our own lives (weather it uses religion or not).
" but nothing about the human experience is random or chaotic. All the functions of the body are carefully designed, as are the universe and nature. “ -- Well I can give pleanty of examples where this statement does not hold true
@NightHawkBomber001 the laws of physics refute the idea that all this matter could come from nothing. So there must have been something to begin with - something with the ability to bring about everything else. That is common sense. Whats so powerful that everything could come from it? What can sustain all of the galaxies and orbits of the planets? Why doesn't the whole galaxy just randomly stop working and collapse? Science doesn't explain any of this. What happens after death, my friend?
@justinBeeler Ya, the law is Matter cannot be *created* or destroyed. your arguing for creation.. See a conflict here?
* What can sustain all of the galaxies and orbits of the planets? Why doesn't the whole galaxy just randomly stop working and collapse? Science doesn't explain any of this.*
- Physics explains allot of this actually... IE Gravity.
@justinBeeler What happens after death, my friend? --> I have no way of knowing, In fact I don’t know if there is something after. I know what you believe, but without evidence you cannot truly know either (until it happens). And so your claims of heaven (though a nice though) fall in the realm of belief, right beside incarnation, rebirth, etc.
@NightHawkBomber001 So then you must agree that the spirit can live without the body? Now we're getting somewhere... so if you can separate the body and the spirit, then you can understand the concept between the physical and the invisible. Your body and your five senses give you access to experience the physical world. Science can measure those things because the carnal mind can understand them. You have a spiritual mind that can begin to grasp the wisdom of God which is far greater than men.
@justinBeeler I have no way of knowing if there is a spirit, I have no way of knowing if it is eternal. I see no evidence of it. I see aspects of it that are attractive, but no evidence of it.
@Redington931 brain waves neuro imaging they can now decode fuzz images of what you are looking at and then put them on a computer screen when you have a thought wecan see it light up certain parts of the brainjust look it up thoughts are deinently observable and soon we will actually be able to put them up on a screen we already have its fuzzy and lowtech though justlook this stuff up before you speak
@finka123456 Don't make assumptions before you speak. I can't understand someone's own view by assumptions, questions are necessary. If the mind is really only our brains then having an abstract viewpoint would not be necessary because we are merely governed by the chemicals and synapses of our brains. Any justice would be rendered pointless because a person would only be acting by what their brain controls them to think and behave. Reductionists need to think these things through.
@Redington931 what, i did think that through there is no evidence for some magical enity that gives us purpose and yes it is just chemical and elctircal process and there is no evidence contray if you want to be irational and beleive somthing without evidence go ahead..but all i do with my life is try to enjoy it without hurting anyone(because being guilty your whole life makes it immposible to enjoy) any justice rendered Pointless we are the moral force in the uniiverse so we decide_continued_
@finka123456 Scientists make philosophical claims just as much as anyone else when the seek to understand how the science is applicable to life on a wider picture. Making a claim does not simply make it so automatically; I need for you to tell me why it is more than just saying that you never seen any evidence. Yet the evidence is all around you because the universe is insufficient to create itself. Nor was it eternal because entropy would happen before we came to being.
@finka123456 Moreover it's more irrational to believe that there is no free will to hold us accountable to our actions if we are always controlled/governed by the chemicals and synapses in our brains. You cannot both hold someone accountable (as in a court case) and say that we're not accountable due to no genuine free choice to do right or wrong. It's contradictory because you're trying to have opposites at the same time and the same level.
@Redington931 "we are the way for the universe to know itsself"-carl sagan if there is no god..which is apparnent as there has never been evidence for anything supernatural.. then god is just in your head..so if that fake god had the authoriy to say what is justice..then why cant a real person/persons say what is justice?
I recongnize that in the end evreything does not matter to the universe but evreything does matter to me and you and we are technically the univese..so why not be the judge
@finka123456 Carl Sagan was just as much a philosopher as he was a scientists. He claims that we should follow wherever the evidence leads yet says in the same show that the universe is all that was, is, and ever will be. Already he's not going wherever the evidence leads because he's already making a philosophical statement to narrow the direction of the evidence in where he really wants it to go. It's intellectually dishonest at the very least because you can't have it both ways.
@finka123456 People can be moral but that morality can be fallible because we are fallible. We willingly break moral laws. So whose morality do we choose to uphold? How are we to uphold it if it's really only in our heads? If there truly is no absolute morality outside of our subjectivity then it's only in our heads and you just told me we are only governed by chemicals and etc. There is nothing irrational about truth. Yet we are shown to be willingly against truth if it doesn't suit our desire.
@Redington931 yup yup happens all the time eugenics is bunk racism is disproven with science but the kkk will just come up with a conspiracy to deny it same with the religous if it contrdicts them a lot of the time they would close their mind completley (they used to ill you and still do in the islamic world)but dont make the mistake thinking that science seems to only contradict the faiths of abrham there are hindus who have their own "evidence" for their beleifs too but in the end
@Redington931 we are all succseptable to our own biases and we should use rationality to help avoid this..but that is why peer review and scientfic method exist of course nothing is perfect but it is the best we have..and on the issue of morality..we derive a lot of it from empathy..certain neruons in our brain cant tell the diffrence between me and youwhen i see you smile or cry in a way big or small my brain reflects that..thats why when people are gloomy sad depressed you are to
@Redington931 you will feel worse because of it and same goes with smiles so we actually feel good when we help others its inherent inall herd species its also how we learn to copy other peoples actions btw our natural morality is cool you should look up mirror neurons fromthis empathy we can develop more complex morals and yes its subjective in our heads but the same problem with whos morality do we choose with religon..because which relgion is right? so we end up with the same basix problem
@finka123456 Materialistic examples cannot solve the issue completely because you're telling me nothing is absolute since the evolution changes the state of the brain to believe whatever "works" at that given time. Philosophers has been debating this (moral issue) for so long because they understood it cannot come from only a materialistic viewpoint. The logic is what is more important; same thing goes for everything else.
@finka123456 The basic problem is that the natural world cannot give us all the answers; maybe some but the usually point to deeper issues. If it did give all the answers then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. The answers have to come logically from a source where it's sufficiently necessary for our own lives.
@Redington931 what do you mean all of the answers.. i am pretty sure it can we just have not learned it yet in 1000 years we will most lilkly have all the answers in regards to orginsand basic mechanisms of the world if not much less then that but i dont think that a book that claims to be infalliable(if you look up bible contradictions its clearly not)and has absolutly no evidence for it should be beleived atheism should be the default until new postive evidence of the supernatural
@finka123456 I was not even talking about the Bible specifically when concerning reality, yet you seemed to think I was. Many claim that God can not be proved but also cannot be disproved; yet you are claiming that God is disproved automatically by stating there is absolutely no evidence yet provide no examples yourself and choose to redirect me to other people instead where I have no way of knowing if you stand by which ones they may claim. You yourself need to give me claims to work with, man.
@finka123456 When I say deeper issues I mean deeper rational ones. Not some mystical, spiritual subjective issues. Why can't we have real purpose? We can but it has to make sense with reality. We can always make up subjective beliefs based on nonsensical desires that have little to nothing to do with reality and reason. That goes to show how irrational we can be and not how irrational reality is.
@Redington931 well in the end its irrational to beleive that we have an objective(divine at least if humanity assigns me a purpose its objective to me)purpose but i have not beleived that since i was twelve and had no problem continuing in life and so you know im am about to graduate with a 4.0..but our purpose can e a collective general want and indvidual wants and needs but on the topic of rationality i must say that no offence it more irrational to beleive a book with no evidence for it..
@finka123456 If you claim objective moral absolutes are irrational, then you must also claim that subjective moral absolutes are irrational. If you think subjective moral absolutes are not irrational then you have to conclude that objective moral absolutes are not irrational. Do you claim that absolutely everyone's subjective moral values to be irrational? If everyone can believe their own morals then would not that mean they must believe them to be rational/true?
@Redington931 you should look up mithra and christian simmilarties...its interesting to me but you may deny it all together..(my parents are super fundie christians they would disown me if i told them i was a "heathen")or not i may have been judging you on the basis of my own experience with christians(i live in the bible belt..southern baptist)you may be one of those jesus philospher christians i heard about i have nver been outside of texas though
@finka123456 I do not deny the similarities as far as I can find at first glance, but you cannot simply end there you have to ask why are there similarities. You also have to ask what differences make the similarities unnecessary for understanding how different each other are. As far as I can find at first glance, no one who believes in Mithra has ever claimed to have witnessed Mithra's similarities come to fruition, which is vastly different to what Christianity claims.
@finka123456 I would find it sad that your parents would do such a thing if you told them; to me that would not be Christ-like as they are called to be. But I cannot speak for your parents because I don't know them well enough, they must speak for themselves. My hope is that they would not disown you if you were honest with them.
@finka123456 I think you asked if I deny everyone's subjective morals to be rational. No, I don't. However, I do think we are completely capable of holding irrational subjective morals and most likely are believing a few. Is that sufficient proof of there be absolutely no objective moral absolutes? No, because it only shows our fallibility since we are able to actually hold subjective moral absolutes that sufficiently line up correctly with objective moral absolutes.
@finka123456 I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "jesus philosopher christians". I would like for you to elaborate more on what you mean by that if I'm going to be able to reply with a correct answer to your inquiry.
@Redington931 ok i am pretty sure a jesus philospher is someone who beleives in the teaching of christ and only his teachings they ignore the old testemeant all together
@finka123456 No, I am not one of those in the sense that you define it. I think the Old Testament was a big pointer to Christ because he fulfilled all that was prophesied about the messiah. Without the Old Testament, a lot of what Jesus talks about becomes very confusing because the references would lead to nowhere specific.
@Redington931 K but you know the jesus story was copied from mithra and they added jewish prohecy and made him monotheism..mithra born in cave bethlaham in late dec had 3 wise men bring him three gifts had 12 diciples died for the sins of mankind had a concept of heaven and hell the church of mithra handed out wine and bread as his flesh and blood(or however it goes) born of a virgin said things like i am the way the light and the etc like jesus the only way you could get into heaven
@Redington931 becuase their religon was almost identical to his(in the major aspects) also the celebrating around a tree on the dec of the 25th was a pagan tradition. you can just look up mithra jesus simmilarites if you dont want to take me at face value..the only way to not feel a little rocked in your view of your faith is to deny this am i right or am i being arrogant i feel this should be evidence enough that the bible is copied among other things but this one thing should do the trick
@finka123456 Please don't assume what I think or what I will say. Unless there were witnesses to the resurrection of Mithra or those 12 disciples of Mithra or whoever, how could I possibly know for sure that it's true? It's not that hard for cultures to come up with similar theologies. I would want to know if any of them could be backed up by the same kind eye-witness testimony that Jesus has. Of bodily resurrection, not just some form of "spiritual" resurrection.
@Redington931 the eye witness testimoney was from the bible right? if not it has more sway but if it is stated in the bible it defeats the point..but this relgion exsisted in transcript 1500years before the bible..so even if we had historical witness outside the bible..its still incredibly weird that there are so many simmilarities between mithra and jesus..the odds for the two cultures coming up with things that simmiliar are quite astounding and 1500 years apart
@Redington931 the mithraic religon exsisted 1500 years before christanity and was a polytheist religon..and then a relgion with a prophet with some many things in common with a modern religon at thhe time when the christians were rising the roman emporer who made christianty legal was a follower of mithra the sun god that is why he felt sympathy for the christians(one last thing i forgot to add mithra rose from the grave three days after he was crusified)
@Redington931 you said logical answers i doubt there is anything logical about the abrahamic faith but..you say deeper i assume you mean spirtual or of that nature at least well there is no reason to think these are anything but the construct of human imaginaton combined with other things but this need probably exists in most..but if we can make up a fake god to give us fullfilmeant why cant we real people with real emotions and real desires make up just as real if not more real purposes for us
@Redington931 was to pray to mithra for forgivness but mithra was the sun god and not the son of god(well actually he was but he was mostly famous for the being the sun god..the son of the big guy was less touched on in the religon) also some things are almost copied exactley mithras mom is myyrrah(sounds like mary) and 2 of the 3 treasures brought to mithra were the same as the ones brought to jesus.the mithraic religon even had batptism with water...
@Redington931 Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." a quote from mithraic religon sorry i know i am being annoying
@justinBeeler And there are other religions that have other ways of seeing “the spirit”
Take hinduism - we are all part of the divine. Yet through making our own individuality we are separated. The goal it to again become one with the divine
@NightHawkBomber001 Faith is believing something that you heard. You didn't actually do the experiments and see for yourself did you? No. You took the word of the scientist because you feel they have a solid reputation. I base my belief system on the reputation of the Bible's impeccable historical accuracy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then read it. The bible is the most accurate and verified historical record of humankind.
@justinBeeler "You didn't actually do the experiments and see for yourself did you?” - no but I know how the adecemic world works. for instance. I don’t need “faith” to know that eggs come from chickens, even though I’ve never done experiments on it or see it happen. I’ve taken what biology says about it and what farmers say about it. NOT FAITH, this is logic and reason
@justinBeeler Rationalize how so many creatures have been given specific instructions on how to survive. Everything that God created reproduces after itself and regenerates itself. Plants, animals, humans, these mechanisms are proof of...
---> Developed instinct over years of trial and error. This is how evolution made it. This all seems silly. You might as well be arguing “Gravity does not exist, God causes things to fall. Gravity is just a naturalistic viewpoint.
It's not possible to disagree with something more than I disagree with this. However, I am not an atheist; I don't wish to silence you. But your light is a false light, that your words only turn the human race against itself, for the benefit of the very evil you claim to combat. There is nothing exclusive about God, only humans and their invented self-superiorities. And yes, your book says "we alone are with God." So do all the other books. What? You're right because you're you, huh? Nice try...
This is how I feel about my Jesus. Not a your going to hell mmmmmhhhaaaaaah !But this is Gods love for you. And it is your free will that will say yes or no to him. And not someone else makking that answer for you.
@southdakotagirl30 Let's take atheists as an example, they do not claim to worship any god as they believe no god exists. The problem is that by doing your will instead of the one true God's will you're commiting idolatry because you're considering yourself to be more important thant God.
Brother I enjoy how you are willing to speak the truth without the appearance that you are trying to cater to an audience for fear that they might get upset with you. It is refreshing water that you give. Great message by the way. Specially in this day of lukewarm preaching. Have a great day.
@southdakotagirl30 One simple example would be when Jesus says the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. If someone isn't loving God, they are breaking the greatest commandment, committing the gravest sin. Just as all other commandments ultimately serve to tell us how to hold this one commandment, ultimately all other sins are a result of this one sin.
@psychometaldrummer Agreed. Humans make up laws to try to keep society together. We are ANIMALS...the Human Animal, no different than a potato or a lizard in the end.
@aveyowyns I'm just trying to keep it simple. This yelling idiot is a disgusting liar and you believe what he says. I call it bull shit. Better luck next time.
@aveyowyns I'm absolutely trying to be insulting but I can't help it after I see this asshole's face and listen to his bull shit. You think a magic man in heaven is going to judge people after they die so I'd like to ask you, do you know of any proof ever presented that your god even exists outside your own mind?
Maybe you'll catch a break sometime with your canned "don't know a lie from the truth" comment.
@Flabbyhabbybabby Why do you come to a Christian sermon video wishing to pick a fight? Go back to your Richard Dawkins fanboy videos. Come back when you are humble enough to look for truth.
@b0de I'm not picking fights, I just call out liars like this MD asshole. He's full of shit. What you call truth, others call total bull shit. A man in the sky judges you while you sleep and for thought crimes and this is the scum bag you worship? Worship is for slaves and you need to be a slave to be happy it appears.
@Flabbyhabbybabby Your comments are full of accusations with no evidence for your claims. The true matter is the existence of God. Talk about the evidence you have that anything he says is "bullshit". If you stopped hurling insults and looked at evidence without such a fierce bias you may learn how much of a prideful fool you really are.
@Flabbyhabbybabby Why do you swear at him and call him names? It sure doesn't add any credibility to your points which are not too solid to begin with. Would you like intelligently debate the existence of God or the existence of absolute truth? If not, then what is the point of what you're doing? Who are you mad at? What are you afraid of?
@thidritoboladao Sounds like a scam to me. Believe and you can't lose, don't believe and end up in hell. Are you serious? You sound like a jackass when you pull Pascal's Wager out and expect rational adults to fall for it. In fact, I think you haven't yet hit adulthood by the way you proudly taunt me with "wait and see lol" . Goo for you stupid.
@Flabbyhabbybabby u can believe or not on what u want. According to atheism u'll just die, and according to christianity, if u believe it, u can live, if u dont, u die. So like i said before, u can get more by believing it. We arent entering in the fact that ppl dont want to believe only to live, only entering the fact that atheism and christianity attach the same end to ppl who dont believe in it. Imagine yourself dead, if u r dead, u just dont exist, so it would be like if you never existed
@Flabbyhabbybabby I think that the death is the denial of life, if u r dead, its like u never existed. So what we hear from jesus is that he can give the possibility of existing, just it.
@thidritoboladao I promise you eternal life after your physical death. Please send me donations to help spread my word around.
If you don't believe me you will burn in forever.
There! I just said it too, so...do you believe me? Then why do you believe some Bronze Age people who wrote the bible? Nothing has EVER been proven to show that life exists after death let alone, that some fag hippy from the past is the son of a god and wants everyone to kiss his ass for it.
@Flabbyhabbybabby We dont need to send donations, we only need to admit that we make mistakes. Actually, theres no evidences about everything about god or life after death, it's like proving that a coffee cup or a unicorn is flying around Saturn's rings. You cant prove that it exist, and cant prove that it doesnt exist too, but you can believe it, and something tells me to keep believing it. If death is the end of everything, im talking to someone that doesnt exist.
@thidritoboladao Ppl can't see God in all that exists, because we don't want to see Him. We have also turned a deaf ear to Him, cuz we don't want to hear Him. NONE of us will have an excuse when that day comes. Read the bible for yourself before you make draw any conclusions.
@thidritoboladao What you're saying isn't true. God's word says "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
@SamWiseGingy A blind man is running towards the edge of a cliff. You tell him "Turn or fall to your death!" Likewise, a sinful humanity is running towards eternal condemnation. God commands us "Repent or perish!" Maybe if you hear it this way it will make more sense to you: "Receive forgiveness of sins or pay for your sins" ie "Repent and believe in Jesus or spend eternity in Hell"
He speaks to followers of Christ - it's not his fault that you aren't willing to get off your behind and search for the truth of God yourself, rather than sitting back and waiting others to bring it to you.
@SamWiseGingy you want evidence, but that in and of itself would remove the the need for faith, and it would replace it with knowledge. And with knowledge there is no personal choice, we were created to have choice, freedom, to remove that with evidence would limit you in ways you cant understand because you cant see the spiritual side of life. God is not a physical being we are. And he doesnt answer to us, so to make demands like that arent going to get you anywhere.
@SamWiseGingy Why do you come to a Christian sermon video wishing to pick a fight. Go back to your Richard Dawkins fanboy videos. Come back when you are humble enough to look for truth.
@HellRehab I know you may not want to hear this, but yes, she does. And so do you and me. Sin is contrary to God's nature so he can't have it with him. We would all go to hell if it weren't for Jesus. I would be right on the path for Hell, and I haven't done anything incredibly sinful either, if it weren't for Jesus, just because of a little disrespect to my parents or stealing something. You have to believe in Him for salvation. It's the only way.
I'm not trying to offend anyone.
TheJesusfreak872 3 days ago
4:00 "what evil have they done?"
So then a kind elderly Shinto woman, a woman preceded by generations of Shintoists in her family line, who drowned in the recent japanese tsunami deserves to burn, and burn, and be tortured? Really?
Really?
Hip clothes but the same old archaic message. Sounds scarcely distinguishable from Muslim clerics preaching about hell.
HellRehab 1 month ago
I agree with everything he said except christianity is a FAITH & RELATIONSHIP not a Religion
JIX9ISLER1986 1 month ago
@finka123456.......dude there is tonssssss of historical evidence of the people and places and things of the Bible......
kylafoo1 1 month ago 2
This hit me hard Pastor Mark. Thank you.
shadowlurker816 2 months ago
I love how the crowd laughs when he mentions scientology...cuz scientology is a complete joke.
garretburrow 2 months ago
do i owe anything to god?
niinja2 7 months ago
@niinja2 you don't owe anything. You just need to accept what Jesus did for you and acknowledge that youre a sinner and the only way to heaven is through Jesus. Then just love God with all your mind heart soul and strength.
YooserFriendly 4 months ago
Did you know that the "story" of Jesus was written at least 30 years after his death? You call that objective truth? Don't you think some of his amazing "qoutes" may have been slightly exaggerated or totally wrong considering how you won't remeber what I have just told you 30 years from now?
AussieGossie 8 months ago
@AussieGossie The point is that people were willing to die for their conviction of seeing resurrected Jesus.Do u think they would just go around writing his every word,or really learn something practical from him.The Gospels had to be written later so that people that live now for example can hear the truth..
MrUrosSrb 4 months ago
@AussieGossie e should also remember that one of the promises Jesus gave His disciples was that He would send them “another helper,” the Holy Spirit, who would teach them all things and ‘bring to your remembrance all that I said to you” (John 14:26). So, whether it was few years or many after Jesus' death that the Gospels were written, we can have total confidence and faith in their completeness and accuracy, knowing that they were written by “men moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter).
MrUrosSrb 4 months ago
LoL *face palm*
LambdaQuarks 11 months ago
christians do not believe we are right simply becuase we do. we know that all religious scriptures claim to be the way to eturnal life, but christ is the only one who PROVED it. no other faith has done that.
albotrossable 1 year ago 2
I pray that God will have mercy on those who insult Him in this thread. For those of you who keep commenting on evidence and proof of God's existence, all you need to do is look in the mirror, or out the window, or up at the sky. Humans have millions of things they can't prove through science, one of them being their own existence. Remember the "Big Bang" is only a theory, and a theory is something that originated in someone's head. Actually, all evidence does point to Intelligent Design.
justinBeeler 1 year ago
@justinBeeler In the mirror I see my reflection, Out the window I see a brick wall, in the sky I can see the sun, the clouds, birds (at night the moon and stars). I don’t understand, where is this evidence you suggest.
We can prove that we exist via science, I think you meant origins, The big bang is a scientific theory. Kinda like gravitational theory or evolutional theory. They are based on evidence and are used to explain it.
NightHawkBomber001 1 year ago
@NightHawkBomber001 The things you pointed out ARE the evidence. Creation is evidence of a Creator.
We don't need science to prove that we exist, we already know we exist. How we exist is a question that science can not explain. Why we exist is not something that science can explain. There is no evidence for the Big Bang Theory, and if there is, then tell me, where is it?
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler The big bang theory helps explain why the universe is expanding the way it is.
The big bang was not a creative force, and already needed energy and matter.
You claim that How we exist is a question that science can not explain.. depending on how you mean this it may be true. How did that energy and matter form? Was it always there? etc. Heres the thing> I don’t know, And I’ll be dammed before I pick something without evidence.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
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@justinBeeler "Creation is evidence of a Creator.” - and your assumption is that this is creation. And your assumption is it cannot happen naturally.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 You're using your physical eyes to find evidence of something that is invisible - that is not possible. The spiritual part of you is the only part that can understand spiritual things. The natural world is experienced by the five senses, but there is a very real spiritual world and you are part of it. Reason and science can't explain the supernatural and the spiritual - it takes the spirit mind to understand it.
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler As a rational being I need good reason to believe in something that we apparently cannot test or measure.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 The Bible also provides a very good explanation for the Universes' constant expansion. The Word of God, the creative force that gave materialized the physical world is constantly in motion. The command "Let there be light" is still being carried out. Rationalize how so many creatures have been given specific instructions on how to survive. Everything that God created reproduces after itself and regenerates itself. Plants, animals, humans, these mechanisms are proof of...
justinBeeler 11 months ago
the Creator. These things don't happen by chance. If you agree that it can't happen by chance, then there must have been some intelligent decisions behind it all. Surely you can't believe that everything happens by chance? You know how humans only use a very small percentage of their brains? Well, humans were originally created to live forever, and to have creative abilities to shape the world around them. The human mind operates like Gods, and so our thoughts and words have creative power
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler A good explanation is one that does not require faith to believe. I’m sorry but saying that The bibles account is a good explanation is not a good argument because it assumes your God is real, and assumes the bible is accurate, while discounting all other religions, and their holy books. Your free to have faith that Your God did it, but its not an honest claim to say that its a “very good explanation”
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 So do you accept that there are no real explanations? Or that you just don't know what they are? Do you have the answers to the questions deeply embedded in your soul? If not, that is because you don't know what your purpose is for living, because you don't know how you got here and what you're here for. You don't see the wind, you feel it. But because a scientist tells you they can prove it's there, you believe it by hearing the word of the scientist - that is faith.
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler I accept that there are no real explanations at this time. It is worth noting, however, Humanities advancement in understanding aspects of the natural world. It may be that in time Better explanations are given or more information is brought to support what is commonly thought. FACT: we don’t know how it all began.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@justinBeeler Taking your example of the wind, to a society where some felt it and others missed it, those who missed it would require faith to believe. However, we have all experienced the wind. Furthermore we can test it, measure it, see it and predict it with technology, etc. You don’t require faith to believe it then because there is so much good information on it, and your free to go get an education on it yourself.
Faith is believing without evidence. Science is about good evidence.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 Do you deny the existence of anything that you can't touch and feel, measure and rationalize? Do you realize that the Universe is infinitely impossible to understand? Furthermore, since you are so interested in science you must realize that there are forces at work that can't be explained, and the physical world is driven by some unseen force? Surely you must stand in awe of the many wonders found in nature? To whom or what do you attribute that glory? Mankind? Nature?
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler To an extent yes, If theres no way to measure, test, feel, etc something what good reason is there to accept it? By all means try to find ways to test it but if you can’t theres no evidence it even is. Do you realize that the Universe is infinitely impossible to understand --> right now perhaps, but mankind has been making advances into understanding aspects of it.
orces at work that can't be explained, - like what?
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 I respect your attitude and ideas. We are all entitled to formulate our own system of beliefs, which is a gift from God. My friend, whether or not you recognize it, accept it, or believe it, there is a world that your physical eyes cannot see and your carnal mind cannot understand, scientists can't measure it, poke it, or prod it - but it is there as sure as this physical world is. You are part of that world, you just don't know it.
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler Correction: You believe that there is a spiritual world. If theres no way to test it you cannot know for certain. I am definitely attracted to some of those ideas, I find them interesting, just like the claims of other religions. But when it gets down to knowing, you have beleif.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 You my good sir are a spirit, who possesses a soul (mind, will and emotions) and you live in a body. Your body is your connection to the physical world, without it you have no earthly jurisdiction. As a spirit being you will live forever in some form - because spirits are eternal. When the spirit leaves the body, it dies. If the spirit re-enters the body, it is revived. The spirit of man is the dna of God-man is the offspring of God.
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler Perhaps, perhaps not. I respect your belief, but Without any evidence I can only count it as belief, no matter how attractive, or unattractive it may be
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 Since you admit that science will not answer the questions deeply embedded in your soul in your lifetime, don't you think you should look elsewhere for the answers that the spirit in you desires? You're a logical person... if you start down a path that obviously leads to nowhere, shouldn't you consider the steps you're taking and make an informed decision in order to reach your destination? I promise you, if you want to know whether God exists, you can ask Him for evidence.
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler Sure I can look, and explore possibilities. But something I cannot test, measure, comprehend, etc cannot be counted as an answer as it would be a belief. Furthermore, I’m not afraid of what I don’t know. I accept that I won’t know all the answers, but that doen’t mean i should be discouraged
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
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@justinBeeler Surely you must stand in awe of the many wonders found in nature? To whom or what do you attribute that glory? Mankind? Nature? ---> attribute glory too? I appreciate nature for what it is. Why must I attribute it to a god?
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 A scientist or atheist can never sufficiently describe the purpose of the human experience. They deny the existence of God, but yet say that the cosmos and everyone are connected in some way. Yet they promote the idea that our existence came from some random chaotic event - but nothing about the human experience is random or chaotic. All the functions of the body are carefully designed, as are the universe and nature. Even the laws of physics refute the idea that all this
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler Well actually they could claim that we are all connected. I can provide you with good secular arguments as to why. A far as purpose goes. Theres no evidence that there is a grand purpose to it all, in reality we give meaning to our own lives (weather it uses religion or not).
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
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@justinBeeler
" but nothing about the human experience is random or chaotic. All the functions of the body are carefully designed, as are the universe and nature. “ -- Well I can give pleanty of examples where this statement does not hold true
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 the laws of physics refute the idea that all this matter could come from nothing. So there must have been something to begin with - something with the ability to bring about everything else. That is common sense. Whats so powerful that everything could come from it? What can sustain all of the galaxies and orbits of the planets? Why doesn't the whole galaxy just randomly stop working and collapse? Science doesn't explain any of this. What happens after death, my friend?
justinBeeler 11 months ago
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@justinBeeler Ya, the law is Matter cannot be *created* or destroyed. your arguing for creation.. See a conflict here?
* What can sustain all of the galaxies and orbits of the planets? Why doesn't the whole galaxy just randomly stop working and collapse? Science doesn't explain any of this.*
- Physics explains allot of this actually... IE Gravity.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@justinBeeler What happens after death, my friend? --> I have no way of knowing, In fact I don’t know if there is something after. I know what you believe, but without evidence you cannot truly know either (until it happens). And so your claims of heaven (though a nice though) fall in the realm of belief, right beside incarnation, rebirth, etc.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 So then you must agree that the spirit can live without the body? Now we're getting somewhere... so if you can separate the body and the spirit, then you can understand the concept between the physical and the invisible. Your body and your five senses give you access to experience the physical world. Science can measure those things because the carnal mind can understand them. You have a spiritual mind that can begin to grasp the wisdom of God which is far greater than men.
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler I have no way of knowing if there is a spirit, I have no way of knowing if it is eternal. I see no evidence of it. I see aspects of it that are attractive, but no evidence of it.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 Are your thoughts measurable? Are they observable? Do you deny that your own thoughts are real? If not, then what are they?
Redington931 4 months ago
@Redington931 actually thoughts are observable
finka123456 4 months ago
@finka123456 how exactly?
Redington931 4 months ago
@Redington931 brain waves neuro imaging they can now decode fuzz images of what you are looking at and then put them on a computer screen when you have a thought wecan see it light up certain parts of the brainjust look it up thoughts are deinently observable and soon we will actually be able to put them up on a screen we already have its fuzzy and lowtech though justlook this stuff up before you speak
finka123456 4 months ago
@finka123456 Don't make assumptions before you speak. I can't understand someone's own view by assumptions, questions are necessary. If the mind is really only our brains then having an abstract viewpoint would not be necessary because we are merely governed by the chemicals and synapses of our brains. Any justice would be rendered pointless because a person would only be acting by what their brain controls them to think and behave. Reductionists need to think these things through.
Redington931 4 months ago
@Redington931 what, i did think that through there is no evidence for some magical enity that gives us purpose and yes it is just chemical and elctircal process and there is no evidence contray if you want to be irational and beleive somthing without evidence go ahead..but all i do with my life is try to enjoy it without hurting anyone(because being guilty your whole life makes it immposible to enjoy) any justice rendered Pointless we are the moral force in the uniiverse so we decide_continued_
finka123456 4 months ago
@finka123456 Scientists make philosophical claims just as much as anyone else when the seek to understand how the science is applicable to life on a wider picture. Making a claim does not simply make it so automatically; I need for you to tell me why it is more than just saying that you never seen any evidence. Yet the evidence is all around you because the universe is insufficient to create itself. Nor was it eternal because entropy would happen before we came to being.
Redington931 4 months ago
@finka123456 Moreover it's more irrational to believe that there is no free will to hold us accountable to our actions if we are always controlled/governed by the chemicals and synapses in our brains. You cannot both hold someone accountable (as in a court case) and say that we're not accountable due to no genuine free choice to do right or wrong. It's contradictory because you're trying to have opposites at the same time and the same level.
Redington931 4 months ago
@Redington931 "we are the way for the universe to know itsself"-carl sagan if there is no god..which is apparnent as there has never been evidence for anything supernatural.. then god is just in your head..so if that fake god had the authoriy to say what is justice..then why cant a real person/persons say what is justice?
I recongnize that in the end evreything does not matter to the universe but evreything does matter to me and you and we are technically the univese..so why not be the judge
finka123456 4 months ago
@finka123456 Carl Sagan was just as much a philosopher as he was a scientists. He claims that we should follow wherever the evidence leads yet says in the same show that the universe is all that was, is, and ever will be. Already he's not going wherever the evidence leads because he's already making a philosophical statement to narrow the direction of the evidence in where he really wants it to go. It's intellectually dishonest at the very least because you can't have it both ways.
Redington931 4 months ago
@finka123456 People can be moral but that morality can be fallible because we are fallible. We willingly break moral laws. So whose morality do we choose to uphold? How are we to uphold it if it's really only in our heads? If there truly is no absolute morality outside of our subjectivity then it's only in our heads and you just told me we are only governed by chemicals and etc. There is nothing irrational about truth. Yet we are shown to be willingly against truth if it doesn't suit our desire.
Redington931 4 months ago
@Redington931 yup yup happens all the time eugenics is bunk racism is disproven with science but the kkk will just come up with a conspiracy to deny it same with the religous if it contrdicts them a lot of the time they would close their mind completley (they used to ill you and still do in the islamic world)but dont make the mistake thinking that science seems to only contradict the faiths of abrham there are hindus who have their own "evidence" for their beleifs too but in the end
finka123456 4 months ago
@Redington931 we are all succseptable to our own biases and we should use rationality to help avoid this..but that is why peer review and scientfic method exist of course nothing is perfect but it is the best we have..and on the issue of morality..we derive a lot of it from empathy..certain neruons in our brain cant tell the diffrence between me and youwhen i see you smile or cry in a way big or small my brain reflects that..thats why when people are gloomy sad depressed you are to
finka123456 4 months ago
@Redington931 you will feel worse because of it and same goes with smiles so we actually feel good when we help others its inherent inall herd species its also how we learn to copy other peoples actions btw our natural morality is cool you should look up mirror neurons fromthis empathy we can develop more complex morals and yes its subjective in our heads but the same problem with whos morality do we choose with religon..because which relgion is right? so we end up with the same basix problem
finka123456 4 months ago
@finka123456 Materialistic examples cannot solve the issue completely because you're telling me nothing is absolute since the evolution changes the state of the brain to believe whatever "works" at that given time. Philosophers has been debating this (moral issue) for so long because they understood it cannot come from only a materialistic viewpoint. The logic is what is more important; same thing goes for everything else.
Redington931 3 months ago
@finka123456 The basic problem is that the natural world cannot give us all the answers; maybe some but the usually point to deeper issues. If it did give all the answers then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. The answers have to come logically from a source where it's sufficiently necessary for our own lives.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 what do you mean all of the answers.. i am pretty sure it can we just have not learned it yet in 1000 years we will most lilkly have all the answers in regards to orginsand basic mechanisms of the world if not much less then that but i dont think that a book that claims to be infalliable(if you look up bible contradictions its clearly not)and has absolutly no evidence for it should be beleived atheism should be the default until new postive evidence of the supernatural
finka123456 3 months ago
@finka123456 I was not even talking about the Bible specifically when concerning reality, yet you seemed to think I was. Many claim that God can not be proved but also cannot be disproved; yet you are claiming that God is disproved automatically by stating there is absolutely no evidence yet provide no examples yourself and choose to redirect me to other people instead where I have no way of knowing if you stand by which ones they may claim. You yourself need to give me claims to work with, man.
Redington931 3 months ago
@finka123456 When I say deeper issues I mean deeper rational ones. Not some mystical, spiritual subjective issues. Why can't we have real purpose? We can but it has to make sense with reality. We can always make up subjective beliefs based on nonsensical desires that have little to nothing to do with reality and reason. That goes to show how irrational we can be and not how irrational reality is.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 well in the end its irrational to beleive that we have an objective(divine at least if humanity assigns me a purpose its objective to me)purpose but i have not beleived that since i was twelve and had no problem continuing in life and so you know im am about to graduate with a 4.0..but our purpose can e a collective general want and indvidual wants and needs but on the topic of rationality i must say that no offence it more irrational to beleive a book with no evidence for it..
finka123456 3 months ago
@finka123456 If you claim objective moral absolutes are irrational, then you must also claim that subjective moral absolutes are irrational. If you think subjective moral absolutes are not irrational then you have to conclude that objective moral absolutes are not irrational. Do you claim that absolutely everyone's subjective moral values to be irrational? If everyone can believe their own morals then would not that mean they must believe them to be rational/true?
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 you should look up mithra and christian simmilarties...its interesting to me but you may deny it all together..(my parents are super fundie christians they would disown me if i told them i was a "heathen")or not i may have been judging you on the basis of my own experience with christians(i live in the bible belt..southern baptist)you may be one of those jesus philospher christians i heard about i have nver been outside of texas though
finka123456 3 months ago
@finka123456 I do not deny the similarities as far as I can find at first glance, but you cannot simply end there you have to ask why are there similarities. You also have to ask what differences make the similarities unnecessary for understanding how different each other are. As far as I can find at first glance, no one who believes in Mithra has ever claimed to have witnessed Mithra's similarities come to fruition, which is vastly different to what Christianity claims.
Redington931 3 months ago
@finka123456 I would find it sad that your parents would do such a thing if you told them; to me that would not be Christ-like as they are called to be. But I cannot speak for your parents because I don't know them well enough, they must speak for themselves. My hope is that they would not disown you if you were honest with them.
Redington931 3 months ago
@finka123456 I think you asked if I deny everyone's subjective morals to be rational. No, I don't. However, I do think we are completely capable of holding irrational subjective morals and most likely are believing a few. Is that sufficient proof of there be absolutely no objective moral absolutes? No, because it only shows our fallibility since we are able to actually hold subjective moral absolutes that sufficiently line up correctly with objective moral absolutes.
Redington931 3 months ago
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@Redington931 oh i found this video you might want to watch it watch?v=sUcxoNFiomY&feature=featured
finka123456 3 months ago
@finka123456 I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "jesus philosopher christians". I would like for you to elaborate more on what you mean by that if I'm going to be able to reply with a correct answer to your inquiry.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 ok i am pretty sure a jesus philospher is someone who beleives in the teaching of christ and only his teachings they ignore the old testemeant all together
finka123456 3 months ago
@finka123456 No, I am not one of those in the sense that you define it. I think the Old Testament was a big pointer to Christ because he fulfilled all that was prophesied about the messiah. Without the Old Testament, a lot of what Jesus talks about becomes very confusing because the references would lead to nowhere specific.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 K but you know the jesus story was copied from mithra and they added jewish prohecy and made him monotheism..mithra born in cave bethlaham in late dec had 3 wise men bring him three gifts had 12 diciples died for the sins of mankind had a concept of heaven and hell the church of mithra handed out wine and bread as his flesh and blood(or however it goes) born of a virgin said things like i am the way the light and the etc like jesus the only way you could get into heaven
finka123456 3 months ago
@Redington931 becuase their religon was almost identical to his(in the major aspects) also the celebrating around a tree on the dec of the 25th was a pagan tradition. you can just look up mithra jesus simmilarites if you dont want to take me at face value..the only way to not feel a little rocked in your view of your faith is to deny this am i right or am i being arrogant i feel this should be evidence enough that the bible is copied among other things but this one thing should do the trick
finka123456 3 months ago
@finka123456 Please don't assume what I think or what I will say. Unless there were witnesses to the resurrection of Mithra or those 12 disciples of Mithra or whoever, how could I possibly know for sure that it's true? It's not that hard for cultures to come up with similar theologies. I would want to know if any of them could be backed up by the same kind eye-witness testimony that Jesus has. Of bodily resurrection, not just some form of "spiritual" resurrection.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 the eye witness testimoney was from the bible right? if not it has more sway but if it is stated in the bible it defeats the point..but this relgion exsisted in transcript 1500years before the bible..so even if we had historical witness outside the bible..its still incredibly weird that there are so many simmilarities between mithra and jesus..the odds for the two cultures coming up with things that simmiliar are quite astounding and 1500 years apart
finka123456 3 months ago
@finka123456 see Zeitgeist Debunked as false' - by boomya555 See also my playlist - Jesus Outside The Bible
You've been had by a bankers shill. Jesus was the ANTI-banker
IdaSputum 1 week ago
@Redington931 the mithraic religon exsisted 1500 years before christanity and was a polytheist religon..and then a relgion with a prophet with some many things in common with a modern religon at thhe time when the christians were rising the roman emporer who made christianty legal was a follower of mithra the sun god that is why he felt sympathy for the christians(one last thing i forgot to add mithra rose from the grave three days after he was crusified)
finka123456 3 months ago
@Redington931 you said logical answers i doubt there is anything logical about the abrahamic faith but..you say deeper i assume you mean spirtual or of that nature at least well there is no reason to think these are anything but the construct of human imaginaton combined with other things but this need probably exists in most..but if we can make up a fake god to give us fullfilmeant why cant we real people with real emotions and real desires make up just as real if not more real purposes for us
finka123456 3 months ago
@Redington931 was to pray to mithra for forgivness but mithra was the sun god and not the son of god(well actually he was but he was mostly famous for the being the sun god..the son of the big guy was less touched on in the religon) also some things are almost copied exactley mithras mom is myyrrah(sounds like mary) and 2 of the 3 treasures brought to mithra were the same as the ones brought to jesus.the mithraic religon even had batptism with water...
finka123456 3 months ago
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@Redington931 Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." a quote from mithraic religon sorry i know i am being annoying
finka123456 3 months ago
@justinBeeler And there are other religions that have other ways of seeing “the spirit”
Take hinduism - we are all part of the divine. Yet through making our own individuality we are separated. The goal it to again become one with the divine
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@NightHawkBomber001 Faith is believing something that you heard. You didn't actually do the experiments and see for yourself did you? No. You took the word of the scientist because you feel they have a solid reputation. I base my belief system on the reputation of the Bible's impeccable historical accuracy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then read it. The bible is the most accurate and verified historical record of humankind.
justinBeeler 11 months ago
@justinBeeler "You didn't actually do the experiments and see for yourself did you?” - no but I know how the adecemic world works. for instance. I don’t need “faith” to know that eggs come from chickens, even though I’ve never done experiments on it or see it happen. I’ve taken what biology says about it and what farmers say about it. NOT FAITH, this is logic and reason
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
@justinBeeler "The bible is the most accurate and verified historical record of humankind.” - in what way, wheres your evidence?
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
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@justinBeeler Rationalize how so many creatures have been given specific instructions on how to survive. Everything that God created reproduces after itself and regenerates itself. Plants, animals, humans, these mechanisms are proof of...
---> Developed instinct over years of trial and error. This is how evolution made it. This all seems silly. You might as well be arguing “Gravity does not exist, God causes things to fall. Gravity is just a naturalistic viewpoint.
NightHawkBomber001 11 months ago
Amazing sermon. Spirit filled!
Itchhhh 1 year ago
It's not possible to disagree with something more than I disagree with this. However, I am not an atheist; I don't wish to silence you. But your light is a false light, that your words only turn the human race against itself, for the benefit of the very evil you claim to combat. There is nothing exclusive about God, only humans and their invented self-superiorities. And yes, your book says "we alone are with God." So do all the other books. What? You're right because you're you, huh? Nice try...
jfl440 1 year ago
Amazing sermon, very powerful and convicting stuff.
demondagger19 1 year ago
@Savedbygrace70 I've added three of the four songs played that night to my channel.
OneAvidity 1 year ago
@Savedbygrace70 why r u talking to me, cuz im defending the video lol.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
Love it!
OneAvidity 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 You're welcome, and don't keep your comments to yourself, God gives knowledge to those who ask! :D
timeforcute 1 year ago
Praise God!!!!
ElPoeta12 1 year ago
This is how I feel about my Jesus. Not a your going to hell mmmmmhhhaaaaaah !But this is Gods love for you. And it is your free will that will say yes or no to him. And not someone else makking that answer for you.
RNRCMichaelJames 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 Let's take atheists as an example, they do not claim to worship any god as they believe no god exists. The problem is that by doing your will instead of the one true God's will you're commiting idolatry because you're considering yourself to be more important thant God.
That's all the issue about Genesis 3.
God bless =)
tiagotrinidad 1 year ago
awesome!
karellovesjesus 1 year ago
I wish I could hit the 'like' more then once...
JMar1082 1 year ago
Brother I enjoy how you are willing to speak the truth without the appearance that you are trying to cater to an audience for fear that they might get upset with you. It is refreshing water that you give. Great message by the way. Specially in this day of lukewarm preaching. Have a great day.
theflarpus 1 year ago
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@southdakotagirl30 Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me."
tiagotrinidad 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 One simple example would be when Jesus says the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. If someone isn't loving God, they are breaking the greatest commandment, committing the gravest sin. Just as all other commandments ultimately serve to tell us how to hold this one commandment, ultimately all other sins are a result of this one sin.
timeforcute 1 year ago
Didn't Christ teach us to make friends of our enemies ... then by what measure do you teach such segregation?
adamx20 1 year ago
@adamx20 u didnt get it lol
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@thidritoboladao I think I did. I decided to sent the author a note instead of waiting for a response.
adamx20 1 year ago
@adamx20 u think u did, but u didnt lol, listen to it again lol.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@thidritoboladao You know, for a forgiving Christian you are a real asshole.
adamx20 1 year ago
@adamx20 Ok.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@adamx20 and if u really want to send a note, email him lol.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
God Bless You
ThePrettyMessedUp 1 year ago
Powerful message. Blessed my socks off. I'm so glad to be part of Mars Hill.
joydubyadee 1 year ago
No such thing as Sin. if Salvation is the CURE, Atheism is the PREVENTION.
Pablo113 1 year ago
@Pablo113 If it doesn't exist, then neither salvation nor atheism actually mean anything.
psychometaldrummer 1 year ago
@psychometaldrummer Agreed. Humans make up laws to try to keep society together. We are ANIMALS...the Human Animal, no different than a potato or a lizard in the end.
Pablo113 1 year ago
This is a bunch of bull shit.
Flabbyhabbybabby 1 year ago
@Flabbyhabbybabby
oh, you radiate such intelligence.
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns I'm just trying to keep it simple. This yelling idiot is a disgusting liar and you believe what he says. I call it bull shit. Better luck next time.
Flabbyhabbybabby 1 year ago
@Flabbyhabbybabby
No. You're not trying to keep it simple, your just trying to insult him... You wouldn't know a lie from the truth.
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns I'm absolutely trying to be insulting but I can't help it after I see this asshole's face and listen to his bull shit. You think a magic man in heaven is going to judge people after they die so I'd like to ask you, do you know of any proof ever presented that your god even exists outside your own mind?
Maybe you'll catch a break sometime with your canned "don't know a lie from the truth" comment.
Flabbyhabbybabby 1 year ago
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@Flabbyhabbybabby Why do you come to a Christian sermon video wishing to pick a fight? Go back to your Richard Dawkins fanboy videos. Come back when you are humble enough to look for truth.
b0de 1 year ago
@b0de I'm not picking fights, I just call out liars like this MD asshole. He's full of shit. What you call truth, others call total bull shit. A man in the sky judges you while you sleep and for thought crimes and this is the scum bag you worship? Worship is for slaves and you need to be a slave to be happy it appears.
Flabbyhabbybabby 1 year ago
@Flabbyhabbybabby Your comments are full of accusations with no evidence for your claims. The true matter is the existence of God. Talk about the evidence you have that anything he says is "bullshit". If you stopped hurling insults and looked at evidence without such a fierce bias you may learn how much of a prideful fool you really are.
b0de 1 year ago
@Flabbyhabbybabby Why do you swear at him and call him names? It sure doesn't add any credibility to your points which are not too solid to begin with. Would you like intelligently debate the existence of God or the existence of absolute truth? If not, then what is the point of what you're doing? Who are you mad at? What are you afraid of?
b0de 10 months ago
@Flabbyhabbybabby if we r wrong, we wont lose a thing, if u r wrong, u'll lose everything. Just wait to see lol.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@thidritoboladao Sounds like a scam to me. Believe and you can't lose, don't believe and end up in hell. Are you serious? You sound like a jackass when you pull Pascal's Wager out and expect rational adults to fall for it. In fact, I think you haven't yet hit adulthood by the way you proudly taunt me with "wait and see lol" . Goo for you stupid.
Flabbyhabbybabby 1 year ago
@Flabbyhabbybabby u can believe or not on what u want. According to atheism u'll just die, and according to christianity, if u believe it, u can live, if u dont, u die. So like i said before, u can get more by believing it. We arent entering in the fact that ppl dont want to believe only to live, only entering the fact that atheism and christianity attach the same end to ppl who dont believe in it. Imagine yourself dead, if u r dead, u just dont exist, so it would be like if you never existed
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
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thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@Flabbyhabbybabby I think that the death is the denial of life, if u r dead, its like u never existed. So what we hear from jesus is that he can give the possibility of existing, just it.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@thidritoboladao I promise you eternal life after your physical death. Please send me donations to help spread my word around.
If you don't believe me you will burn in forever.
There! I just said it too, so...do you believe me? Then why do you believe some Bronze Age people who wrote the bible? Nothing has EVER been proven to show that life exists after death let alone, that some fag hippy from the past is the son of a god and wants everyone to kiss his ass for it.
Flabbyhabbybabby 1 year ago
@Flabbyhabbybabby We dont need to send donations, we only need to admit that we make mistakes. Actually, theres no evidences about everything about god or life after death, it's like proving that a coffee cup or a unicorn is flying around Saturn's rings. You cant prove that it exist, and cant prove that it doesnt exist too, but you can believe it, and something tells me to keep believing it. If death is the end of everything, im talking to someone that doesnt exist.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@thidritoboladao Ppl can't see God in all that exists, because we don't want to see Him. We have also turned a deaf ear to Him, cuz we don't want to hear Him. NONE of us will have an excuse when that day comes. Read the bible for yourself before you make draw any conclusions.
Soul4JC 1 year ago
@Soul4JC FK MAN, IM TRYING TO DEFEND THE VIDEO, IM Christian -.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@thidritoboladao What you're saying isn't true. God's word says "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Soul4JC 1 year ago
@Soul4JC ok.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
@thidritoboladao you dont have to defend truth.
anonazero 1 year ago
@anonazero ok.
thidritoboladao 1 year ago
Amen! A very timely reminder.
MrsMemster 1 year ago
How do you call believe or spend eternity in hell a kind invitation?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy A blind man is running towards the edge of a cliff. You tell him "Turn or fall to your death!" Likewise, a sinful humanity is running towards eternal condemnation. God commands us "Repent or perish!" Maybe if you hear it this way it will make more sense to you: "Receive forgiveness of sins or pay for your sins" ie "Repent and believe in Jesus or spend eternity in Hell"
itsADieL 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy if hell is what we deserve and where we are otherwise headed, how can you view Jesus' offer as unkind?
SaltOfTheWorld 1 year ago 2
Sinners in the hands of an angry God.-Johnathan Edwards.
No one can accuse Driscoll of originality.
Christianity is now back to fear of death and hell.
If there is no evidence for something don't believe it.
What is the evidence for these assertions?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy
He speaks to followers of Christ - it's not his fault that you aren't willing to get off your behind and search for the truth of God yourself, rather than sitting back and waiting others to bring it to you.
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy you want evidence, but that in and of itself would remove the the need for faith, and it would replace it with knowledge. And with knowledge there is no personal choice, we were created to have choice, freedom, to remove that with evidence would limit you in ways you cant understand because you cant see the spiritual side of life. God is not a physical being we are. And he doesnt answer to us, so to make demands like that arent going to get you anywhere.
d3adp001 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Why do you come to a Christian sermon video wishing to pick a fight. Go back to your Richard Dawkins fanboy videos. Come back when you are humble enough to look for truth.
b0de 1 year ago
You separate humanity into two groups on the basis that God has separated humanity into two groups.
Unless you have evidence that appeals to reason you are bigots.
What is your evidence that God has separated humanity into two groups?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy his word.
d3adp001 1 year ago
Awesome thank you.
drjustincyr 1 year ago
Amen!
ranviper101 1 year ago