Raikkonen vs Montoya - 2005

[sevach]

Mclaren should have told JPM that the car was oversteering in the final corner lol.

[Arianovich]

Only i have a word for this...TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRR­RRRPEEEEEEEE!!!! :(.

[HeyMarkedOne8]

1:25 What a move!

[jojangu]

Montohya the limits dont exist =)

[jeanclaude780]

Anyway, Montoya finished second in that race after being 20th on te grid.

[martiner]

then, where does Kimi want to go? Neither Mclaren and Ferrari will get him again.

[dario272]

i wonder if Kimi remembers any of his teammates?... no doubt they all remember him, he just teared them apart...

[gazza3112]

lol james hunt

[Chriz7164]

Bring back V10's, Kimi and Juan!!!!

[miamicanes09]

Kimi wiped the floor with jpm? r u fucking kidding me when they went 1 on 1 jpm won more times than not. It was well documented that the McLaren was made for Kimi and Juan struggled to adapt

[MetaKnightsKirby]

@miamicanes09 Both liked oversteery cars, the Mclaren oversteered, not much to adapt to. The biggest thing he would have had to adapt to was the new tires.

And results dont lie, Kimi scored significantly more points even though when both on form they were pretty equal.

[tubehows4life]

@MetaKnightsKirby No, Google the old interviews of 2005, JPM's adaptation struggles were due to a Kimi built understeering McLaren, the team even designed multiple whole new front suspensions to make the car more positive even though it compromised the concept of the car, only JPM used it and Kimi didnt, and when he did get more comfortable he was demonstrably quicker than Kimi by late 2005. 2006 was square one again by which JPM lost interest in F1 altogether. JPM > Kimi.

[EpicLiima]

@tubehows4life You're a funny man.

[tubehows4life]

@EpicLiima What among that post was funny to you?

[EpicLiima]

@tubehows4life That you actually think that Montoya is faster than Räikkönen.

[tubehows4life]

@EpicLiima My reasons are clearly more carefully typed and considered than your own so if you want to actually engage a discussion than great. I think Montoya outperformed Kimi in 2005, and over their careers he was the faster, the aforementioned reasons being just some of them. Want to take up some of those to start off with?

[chanyiwei]

@tubehows4life i laugh my ass off when you say Mclaren build a understeer car in which kimi prefer oversteer....and watch the video carefully and you will notice.....THE CAR IS NVR CLOSE TO UNDERSTEER.....KIMI > JPM ANYTIME!!

[tubehows4life]

@chanyiwei Thats because it was mishandling. Google his interview afterwards. And google all the 2005 interviews from both Montoya and McLaren and you will see them both talking about Montoya's car-handling characteristics struggles and how they experimented with no less than seven front suspensions specifically for Montoya during their time together. It sadly worked for him less often than it didn't, because it compromises the design of the car. Kimi never used them.

[superHidechan]

come back! V10 sound!

[RIEKSONE]

kimi can push the car to the limit no doubt

[Anime998877]

Montoya - one of the most overrated drivers in f1 with one of the worst attitudes I've ever seen. Kimi spanked him through and through at mclaren.

[dario272]

@Anime998877 Kimi wiped the floor with him.. it was fainfull.. lol... Montoya was the only driver of the last decade to get sacked in the middle of a season out of the toop teams... ouch!

[MetaKnightsKirby]

@dario272 He willingly left Mclaren on his own accord...

[Theriusz2]

need commentary subtitle in the video please

[JF1J]

I remember this Qualy!!! Amazing!

I miss both, Kimi & JP....

[xIIJoshIIx]

"Ron Dennis wants a big hole to come along and just swallow him up" LMAO! Epic commentary. That slide also cost Raikkonen more than a tenth but he did brilliantly to hold. He was a different class to Montoya.

[YouthEnergy]

I miss this old one lap qualifying system.

[Arai4lpinestars]

@YouthEnergy Q1 Q2 Q3 knockout system is WAY more exciting

[RonnieChampion147]

Montoya was a good driver but i cant understand why everbody thinks he is a very talented one. He got beaten by Kimi in almost every single race.

[acalin5]

@RonnieChampion147 Montoya wasn't as fast as Kimi but he was the best at overtaking. He could pass where others couldn't (look at his williams years). And in 2005 it was his first season in McLaren. Kimi was there for 3 years already. I'm a big Kimi fan, but Montoya had pure attacking instinct that I only see sometimes in Hamilton. Raikkonen on the other hand was pure speed, no one like him. Alonso is constant in what he does. I still go for Raikkonen from these guys. Just pure speed.

[tubehows4life]

Montoya > Kimi

[Chriz7164]

We Will Never Know Who Was Faster That Day ):

[GERMANDEUTSCH1]

que hermosa epoca de la formula maxima!!!! y que dos grandes pilotos,autos,sonido,circuito, velocidad,todo!!!

[coolshailya1]

If i remember correct....montoya started last, but by the end of lap 1 he was already in top ten..... finished second behind alonso

[coolshailya1]

If i remember correct....montoya started last, but by the end of lap 1 he was already in top ten.....finnished second behind alonso

[Orphe123]

And if I can remember correctly: Kimi retire for some problems and Montoya with no time started in 19th and made it to second place.

[MultiBikram]

This video is about as accurate as it gets. Raikkonen and Montoya were fairly equal in terms of speed, but Montoya was a master at making cock-ups.

[NORMANDIAZP]

Hermoso ese Mclaren :D

[Wallbreaker91]

I´ve been to the Grand Prix that week end and sat at turn 1 watching this qualifying, surrounded by hundreds, maybe thousands of other Schumacher fans (I´ve been one at those times too). You cannot believe the way people around us were cheering Montoyas crash. And once again I have to admit that Kimi was amazing in 2005, sitting in an amazing but unfortunately unreliable car.

[supercas46]

I see mgarofano hasn't commented on this one yet.

[collo2]

make me laugh kimi was do great qualifing all year in 2005 and doesnt win a world title. But in 2007 has rubbish qualifing and win a world title

[Theriusz2]

Write the James allen's commentator text in thiz video please

[Wallbreaker91]

@Theriusz2 ??? Why should he do that, you can easily understand him.

[vitto]

stay in Nascar and never go back...lol

[Theriusz2]

Dasar kau keong racun

[Theriusz2]

Macam duet Shinta jojo aja

[mercedesf1GER94]

There must have been something in the last corner. Räikkönen had to catch a slide and JPM even spun after Kimis run although Montoya didn't push as hard as Kimi. I don't think that this was a driving error...

I went there in 2005 and I have to say that the sound of the Mercedes V10 is good on TV. But live it's a lot better - maybe because there isn't so much commentary.

However, bring back the V10!

[Wallbreaker91]

@mercedesf1GER94 Fully agreed. Been to F1 for the first time there, sitting at turn 1 next to the pit lane exit. I had goose bumps all over the place when the Minardi roared on the track, V10s of Honda, Renault, Mercedes and Ferrari were absolutely amazing machines.

[keytek9]

kimi controlled the slide but montoya didnt

[jdf0919]

i want v10 back!!

[MrHumerousify]

james hunt's reaction at 2:59 = priceless

[kedharf1]

@MrHumerousify james hunt?? don't you mean ron dennis?

[infinitevsinfinite]

@MrHumerousify they dont know "who" is James Hunt :)

[BonakiD24]

@MrHumerousify James Hunt is a Commentator mate.

[GOTMAXPOWER5433460]

@BonakiD24 James Hunt has been dead for 18 years, are you thinking of James Allen?

[TheChumb4]

@MrHumerousify lol james hunt

[QOTSAPT]

@MrHumerousify James Hunt died in 93

[Smiffyalltheway]

@MrHumerousify Haha, are you talking about the commentator (James Allen) or McLaren's team principal (Ron Dennis)??

[Atarigeek]

Montoya > Kimi

[UltimateWheelman]

Montoya MIGHT have had pole, but we'll never know. Going by how the race played out, though, JPM would've won that race by miles (after Kimi's engine failure).

[dario272]

@UltimateWheelman Montoya was horrible in 2005.. he suffer the (Kimi syndrome) and it cost Mclaren a lot of money... he should've been fired 6 months earlier... i doubt he would've got pole, he was out of shape going into stadium.. even if he nailed last corner he had lost a lot of time previously

[UltimateWheelman]

@dario272 Montoya was injured for most of the first half of 2005. He was much better in the 2nd half of the season. He definitely deserved to be at McLaren in 2006. Also, Montoya was much cleaner than Kimi in the stadium section until he slid off, so I think he would've clawed back that 0.096 that he was down after sector 2, and perhaps more.

[CTUfinland]

@UltimateWheelman It doesn't matter if he was cleaner in Turn 9 if he can't keep the car on track. Like Ron Dennis said "to win a race, you have to finish it." And in 05 Räikkönen scored 75 points after USA, Montoya did 44 in same time, so it's hard to your point. And in the whole season Räikkönen scored almost double (112 points) compared to Montoyas 60. And no need to talk about luck either Kimi had enough engine failures in both qualifyings and races to lose championship only because of luck.

[UltimateWheelman]

@CTUfinland You don't even know what I was responding to, do you?

[CTUfinland]

@UltimateWheelman Yeah I do, and I just responded to your comment about Montoya being better than Kimi in 2nd half of the season.

[UltimateWheelman]

@CTUfinland You don't even know what I wrote! I responded to someone who was saying that Montoya did not deserve to be at McLaren in 2006. I said Montoya did deserve to be there in 2006, and I NEVER said Montoya was better than Kimi in the 2nd half. I said Montoya was better in the 2nd half than he was in the 1st half. Where are you getting all this other stuff from?

[arys210]

this was the exact difference between these 2...nothing more describing than this vid...

[10SoRandominute]

@arys210 ehm mclaren said they were some technical issue with the rear wing in hockenheim

[sedd78]

woww kimi!!!!