If their was a being powerful enought to create billions of people and spiteful enough to create a place such as hell to send, not just those who didn't turn out as he wished, but also those who simply don't worship him to suffer for eternity then he's not a god... he's a demon. The face of pure evil by any definition.
You can believe whatever you like but please don't tout concepts like hell while claiming your god is good
She clearly wanted a different reaction out of him, "..Aw man a Christian who believes in freedom of speech but also the infallibility of God''s Word.. Thats not fun.." No scientific evidence of hell? Get serious... Hell is anything but a scientific matter..."When we die nothing will happen" she said.. well what scientific evidence is that based off of?... She , like many others, despises the fact that they have to submit to God.
If is an actual place or dimension, then Hell is a scientific matter. Whether or not something happens after death is quite easy to test. Observe the body, see if any energy or soul ascends. If you say there is a soul, then it must be defined in a meaningful way, not just through wishful thinking. Also, where is the evidence of a soul before birth? do a few cells have a soul?
@WiggyWittgenstein If the universe was just a big box (even if it expanding) you cannot judge what you know by natural law to judge something that is outside or the box. You can't even speculate its place or dimension because it is beyond comprehension.
@GrantyDg "...well what scientific evidence is that based off of?"
Interestingly, there is evidence of life ending at death from both scientific AND scriptural sources.
It was during my time as a Psychology student that I realized that there can be no afterlife; because everything that we do and think and feel is a direct result of the physical brain. If the brain is altered, we are altered. If the brain ceases to function, WE cease to function.
@GrantyDg (Part 2) As for a scriptural perspective, the Bible states in Ecclesiastes 9:5 that the "dead are conscious of nothing at all".
So, whether you believe in the findings of science, or you believe in the Bronze-age myths of the Bible: there is no life after death. Plain and simple.
@SeedsOfHatred Familiarize yourself with the word eisegesis and then come back to your Ecc. verse. Secondly, the brain ceasing to function and losing consciousness clearly means your dead. your missing the point, if you think there is a way to measure if someone has a soul or not, and when it leaves them then you need to learn what exactly science, and its' method, are. Because that certainly is neither. This is a matter of faith for a reason. Its not measurable, observable, or repeatable.
oh wow, he is a dumbass, I'm not a religious person, nor am I atheist, but even I know that Jesus himself was a Jew, therefore saying Jews will burn in hell is the height of facepalm
Wouldnt it be ironic if we come to discover that if there is some God up there in some alternate dimension that he/she/it/they whatever purposefully gace allowed religions to reign to see who could be strong enough of character and determined enough to use their own judgement and rationality to basically tell them all 'Jog on, mate'! with the end result being only such people get to proceed to "heaven"
the only reason that religious theists support the notion of "freedom of speech" usually is because without it they would be shut down like the moronic, unquestioning fools they are. If THEY had the power of dominance and could get away with it they would as has been shown throughout religious history.
How do you think about "demon possessed person"? I saw by my own eyes several times.
Because I'm from Indonesia, there is a traditional dance of indonesia, so-called "kuda lumping" (please googling, or search in wikipedia) where the dancers invite demons into their bodies. Eating real glasses is a part of the performance.
How atheist explain about "demon possession"? I want to know...
There is no reason not to believe in God. I confuse about atheism...
@pengendownload You have it backwards. There is no reason TO believe in a god. Have you ever seen a god? Have you ever seen his footprints even? If someone makes an outragious claim, then they need extraordinary proof in order that it be believed and Christians have NONE. NO PROOF, NOT ONE THING to prove that god exists. Demons do NOT exist either. It is most often women who become 'posessed' during these religious frenzies and it is all in their minds. It is ALL bullshit.
@pengendownload Okay. Put it this way. These people you are referring to, are probably all extremist kind of people. What they are experiencing is all in their minds, WEAK mindsets! Do not fall for these outrages and illogical rituals and such. There is no such thing as demons and gods. There are tons of reason not to believe in God, if you open your mind up a bit, you will find the answers themselves.
I have no problem to become an atheist. But there is no good reason not to believe in God.
Here is my true story, I do not lie:
I have a junior friend during my high school. One day during orientation camp, he was possessed by demon. He spoke like he was not him. He acted like crazy. I knew him, he was not like that normally. His parents came to school after being informed. The demon was cast out by an so-called "sorcerer".
Oh, one more thing. I'm more than happy to become atheist, because I loved porn. But now I'm a born-again Christian, I hav to stop that kind of addiction.
Here is one more to share: /watch?v=lVsBT2UhqI0
One indonesian-guy was shot by polices many times, but his body was bullet-proof. He kept challenging polices. Until someone told the police to shoot his ring, then his power disappear. He was then shot to death.
Well not just christian, we muslim also believe, other faith beside Islam will be tortured for eternity in hell. But yes, I do not mind if atheist want to propogate their believe in the bus or other. Our duty is only to convey the message, wheter or not other accept it, its their problem with God, not us.
I know I deserved Hell, but Jesus saved me and cleaned up my evil heart. I praise Jesus for the rest he gives, the work he did in my heart and continues to do. Praise His name, I look forward to worshipping Him for all eternity. Worthy is the Lamb!
@soulwarrior77 that lamb you talk about. Is that the same lamb that got his throat knived open and spilled his blood on the alter, what a lovely story and what a lovely god you worship. Do you also enjoy the passage about bashing the childrens heads against the rocks
@soulwarrior77 A lamb is worthy of what...to be eaten? or fucked by some Muslim or other pervert? Now, first of all, let me ease your muddled mind - there is NO HELL. It was only a fabrication to keep bronze-age people in line. I believed that nonsense for years also, being that I was brainwashed by my well-intentioned parents but by the time I was 12, I had serious doubts about it all but never received an INTELLIGENT answer from any Christian so I studied and found the truth.
@NivMizzet13 I wasn't attacking Muslims. It is a well established fact that many of them have sex with donkeys and other animals. I do have a need to attack them though, as they are the ones who are bombing the shit out of everyone and actually persuading children to tie bombs to themselves - in the name of a GOD??? This is SICK. And what about the sexual mutilation of women? THAT is disgusting and anyone doing that should be hanged.
It´s staggering to me that they man, who seems like a rational and well-spoken person, would hold this mindset that every single person who doesn´t believe in Jesus Christ is going to suffer for that for all eternity.
Even an 8 year old can see a colossal flaw with that position for example by thinking "well what happens to a child in a part of the world where they haven´t even heard about christianity?"
The rest of the world is watching in complete awe what´s happening the US.
And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.Exodus 21:7-11
are u saying 67% of the world population are going to hell? Like the great OSHO once told, God is the biggest lie told to man. it is something we have been forced to believe from a very young age.it is stupid to believe that a person who is not a christian are going to hell. Its ridiculous
are u sayin all othr believrs who are not Christian will go 2 hell? Is it their fault they wer born to family who has raisd them to believ their faith?If u were born to a Hindu family,you would continue believing in that faith and would never say "oh, christian is the real religion". so are u saying its gods fault that they have given the child birth to this family?
@choobplaya Jesus said, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
First, slavery is immoral. Would you respect someone who holds you against your will and beats you if you don't obey? Out of fear only, but that's why Jesus said that.
@choobplaya Is that the same god who helps people die in hurricanes, tornados, tidal waves, earthquakes, and also die of disease caused by the germs he created? What a bastard!
Okay, so there's a cosmic Jewish vampire who was his own father and can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because some rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yep, Christianity makes sense.
@TheVickie411 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To prove the non-existance of anything is impossible, but to claim the existence of something requires evidence. I will await your evidence with great anticipation. Bear in mind the bible is not evidence of anything or anyone.
@TheVickie411 If something is real, you don't have to pray or do anything that could be considered remotely ritualistic to know that it is real. If you want to claim that something or someone is real, you have to be able to demonstrate that it is in fact real and part of existing reality. That's how you tell the difference between things that exist and things that don't. Where is your demonstration that this god manifests and can be differentiated from things or beings that don't?
@PinkProgram choosing to not act on a choice is itself making a choice. Somebody can say I could never shoot a gun. Wrong... what they really are saying is I won't shoot a gun ever.
@pointguard11 I'm not making a choice. It would be like me saying you are making a choice not to grow wings and fly. I'm not capable of an action that would knowingly result in the extermination of humanity. I'm not sure why humans think I should be capable of making that choice... seems kinda stupid to convince me otherwise -____-
I am pretty a dirty thought or two crossed his mind during the talk.. If not he's homosexual and will go to HELL. (says the ignorant Christians, not i)
Even with the laws, and the consequences, we still have countless crimes of the worst sort.
Murder, rape, etc.
Now if people are "good" then why do they break the law, even a "good" law that everybody agrees with, EVEN with the additional deterrent of imprisonment or death sentence?
And that's just the ones that get caught. that doesn't count all the "little" evils that everyone does and gets away with; stealing from the boss, cheating on the wife, etc.
The fact that laws exist proves that humans are inherently evil on some level, and further, almost everyone acknowledges that fact. Humans must be governed in order to preserve some form of sanity and morality.
So the atheists primary argument in this film is founded on a belief that is fundamentally untrue.
Why gangs? Why school yard fights and bullying? Why child abuse and spousal abuse? Why murder and rape?
Humans are clearly inherently evil. Even breaking the laws they agree with!!
@Wade23581 All of us are born with the potential to do things that are considered unacceptable by the standards of the culture we are born into - society keeps us in line. We hear about bad things happening because bad news stories sell! The fact that we have managed to reproduce enough for there to be over six billion people in this world proves that there are only a few murders compared to how many people there are!! I don't need an imaginary pie in the sky ideal to keep me in line.
I'd just like to spread the news that there is no good news.
We live in an unjust world where half our resources are spent fighting the evil of other human beings, yet she doesn't believe people are inherently evil?
there's more evidence of some form of inherent evil than probably anything else in life.
If people are good, why do we need laws to protect the weak and the less evil, and if everyone was good they'd follow the good laws, so why need consequences?
@Wade23581 If religion makes you good then why aren't religious countries more peaceful? Is the United states a peaceful nation? no! Yet people here are so religious and devout you can't even walk down the street without someone trying to preach to you.
More laws don't solve the problem, because evil people do not obey laws, even if they conceptually agree with them, hence the violence, the drugs, the murder and rape, etc.
Ultimately, the only thing the law really does is point out the fact that people are evil, since it offers no power to prevent evil or actually change people.
What? You don't consider spousal abuse, child slavery, sex slavery, etc, as evil?
@Wade23581 So what's the good news? All of us are evil bastards. We deserve to go to hell unless we believe in someone who may exist. If we don't believe in HIM we deserve eternal torment even if we have lived an exemplary life. I have not committed those "little evils". Apparently you think cheating on your spouse is a "little" evil. Read your bible- new testament -and see how "good" God is. And don't bother replying to me because I've got better things to do than argue with morons.
I got it. "All creationists are automatically ignorant morons."
I have eidetic memory.
I have over 120 verbal I.Q. although vocabulary is my weakest area.
I've repeatedly tested in the high 130's and low 140's on "real" math and spacial reasoning based I.Q. tests, although those tests are fairly primitive and limited in what they can measure.
Would you like to try another word, or would you prefer to make a real argument against what I wrote?
"Exemplary life" is unlikely, but you should carefully examine Romans 2, 13-15.
It addresses that questin directly, and the indication, contrary to modern variants of church doctrine, is that God ultimately judges all people by their intentions and pattern of works.
I should be careful how I say this, and you should take care how you "hear" it.
This is ultimately saying that God isn't going to judge people by a standard they could not have known about.
The "Good News" is that because God recognizes that man cannot redeem himself through any means, God made a "loophole" in the law, if you will, by fulfilling the law in man's place, and by sacrificing Himself for man's sin in order to not only reconcile the world to himself, but to also FIX the problem eventually.
See John 3,16 and Colossians 2, 13 and 14.
Modern Bibles definitely lose something in the translation to English, and should not be taken as "absolutes".
@dookdawg214 Well if matter has eternally existed then that means an infinite amount of moments took place before the big bang took place. The universe is here by 1: design 2: physical necessity or 3. Chance. It is not here by 2 or 3 so therefore it is design. If it is by design we are contingent. Where there are contingint beings there must be a non-contingent being which is the first, present & future cause. The atheist girl is well kept but nothing special. We agree.
@Decimaster321 Proving God like 2+2 = 4 is impossible but it is much more reasonable to believe in a prime mover rather than an infinite regress iof movers isn't it?
@Decimaster321 Ok. Now prove a) that the universe has an infinite past b) life comes from non-life and worse yet for you prove that something comes from nothing.
An atheist doesn't need to prove any of this stuff. The mere admission of "I don't know how the universe began" is good enough. If you want to say that you DO know, then the burden of proof is on you. Also, both the atheist and the theist have to deal with the concept of infinity. Either God/gods is/are real and infinite or some early form of particles are infinite (e.g. quantum vacuum with virtual particles). For the latter there's at least some evidence.
'No God...Dirt in the face...It's all over in the end.' This statement renders life meaningless. Without the existence of God you can't tell me there is a difference between Pol Pot, and Mother Theresa. Self sacrifice,&giving is foolish because we are wasting our 'only life' on those less fortunate. You cannot tell me your virtues are greater or less than mine, they just are, and are conducive to my happiness. Life is absurd without God, and it doesn't have meaning because I say it does.
@JOYcrusader Suppose I have a giant pink elephant in my cupboard, or rather, in all cupboards and yet no cupboards, everywhere and undetectable. Suppose my evidence for the existence of my cupboard elephant is that the existence of this elephant gives my life meaning. Is this a convincing claim? Does it count as evidence of existence? I think the existence of carbon nanofibers gives my life meaning and purpose, and even more, I can prove they exist.
you know whats funny? atheist have more faith than christians do. do atheist firmly believe that theres is no god or they just hypothesizing? i mean come on, the things we depend on in everyday life like air and gravity you can't see those things but you know they are there, right?!
@TheVickie411 Atheism is the defult position on the existance of any gods existance. After your parents and community pushed a certain god upon you, you started believing in that god. Does your god live up to the description of your holy book? If not I'd say it's a lot more likely that your belief takes infinitely more "faith" than the defult belief stand point that there are no gods.
Not even Richard Dawkins says that he is completely sure that there is no God, we just have no reason to believe there is a God.
We can study air and gravity. We can test them by blowing up a balloon or by dropping a pencil. If you have a way for us to make tests on god, you should let us know.
It seems idiotic that Christians capitalize on my willingness to admit that there are things we don't know and presently can't know, and they imply that therefore God may exist. And somehow they seem to imply that he MUST exist, since I can't disprove him. Faith is fine. But by definition it means a belief in something for which one has absolutely no scientific evidence, like Christianity.
She says that when we die we'll be at rest. Really? So she has her own religion, with its own unscientific comforting answers to the big questions. The religious guy offered his idea of comfort, but yeah, who doesn't believe that everyone else is wrong/going to hell?
To the guy in the suit, the douchebag is the musician in Williamsburg; to the hipster, the douchebag is the suit/corporate lawyer/Wall Street-type, who exploit$ everyone else's misfortune$.
to tell the girls dont make good arguments , im sure some do but i have never seena girl argue anything better than me if we were supplied with the same information
nice quote... what about the quotes that say that our basic human nature is sinful? or the quote that states God is a jealous God? (jealousy is the 10th commandment and taken, by some, just as seriously as murder). The bible doesn't give me any faith in the "word of God" and it gives me tones of reasons to believe that what this guy is say is a load of crap.
There's no fucking god. All religions are a lie. They're stupid forms of social control. If you think that a handful of desert hermits somehow discovered the ultimate truth of everything without even knowing that the earth revolves around the sun, then you are truly lost. There's not a single chance that the fools who wrote the bible got anything right, not a single fucking chance. All they did was write some terrible, shitty "literature." I wouldn't even call it literature.
These kind of debates (if you cld call it that) just make me laugh b/c neither person gives credible answers about why he or she is right lol. And I know the video is short but what was the point of putting it up for the public to view? Idk...enough of my 2 cents lol
This video is pointless on both sides. Both parties' arguments and points are simply not good. Btw, Why is his first statement such a shocker lol?? If he didn't believe that people who don't follow the bible (& Jesus), atheists and ppl of other faith, are going to hell, What wld be the point in following the Christian faith? Islamic and Jewish ppl wld probably say the same thing if they were being honest with you lol
This video is very sad. The poor girl has no idea... but afterall, it is an all knowing and sovereign God that made her that way. Some vessels he prepared for mercy, some for wrath.
Atheists say they have a "belief in no gods because of lack of evidence". This relies on assumption and speculation. Can the Atheist PROVE that there is no evidence for God's existence? In other words, can the Atheist prove that God didn't create everything the Atheist sees (cosmos, Earth, plants, animals, humans, etc)?
@SuperKhan06 Of course it is. You can't make something up and have everyone believe it. It's better to say you don't know the answers than dedicating your life to ignorance.If there is a god, he gave us logic and scientific process. In a hundred years we may know the answers, but not know. We are starting to create anti-matter, mini suns etc. So our knowledge is improving.
@SuperKhan06 "In other words, can the Atheist prove that God didn't create everything” --> Can you disprove (or have the time to disprove) all the hundreds of thousands of religions, myths and supernatural legends? Can you Prove that Jimmy the magical flying turtle isn’t the one true lord and saviour? Is it your responsibility to disprove all these claims?
@SuperKhan06 That's really not how it works. Can you PROVE there's no evidence of Unicorns? wtf? First you start off saying "How did we come to be?", then you hypothesize as to what the solution could be using evidence. "God" is a cop out excuse for people who couldn't live their lives without knowing the answers. If Christianity was "the true religion", why did the rest of the world not know about it? Why was it made more than 70,000 years after the first recorded religion?
I hate any religion that uses fear to recruit and keep members. If there is a god, do you think he'd care if you worship him? If so, I don't want to be around that egomaniac.
@drummrath2 Why? If a god cares that much about the little people worshiping him, and using fear to keep them worshiping, he is an egotistical ass. Don't want to meet him. Much rather have nothingness or be with the one angel who put a stand to the selfish prick.
@adibese What I'm about to say won't make sense to you at all, I suppose you'll have to trust that its the truth. Followers of Christ will fully understand what I mean and agree with me. God does not force us to worship Him. He does not need anything at all from us. The Bible says if we don't worship Him, the rocks will, so it doesn't matter. We GET to worship Him. When you recognize the sacrifice and love He has, you want to worship. Its our privilege, not our sacrifice.
@drummrath2 What are you smoking, bro? Christians have ALL the power here. The past 43 Presidents have been Christian, and there is a slim to none chance that any non-Christian will ever enter the White House. Christians have a monopoly in the United States with their religion. If you haven't noticed even 200+ years after the separation of church and state many public institutions STILL have Christian doctrines on their walls, our MONEY says "In God We Trust, etc.
@SkittlesTheLucario I'm sorry, but that's utter bullshit. Watch any show on American TV with the exception of Fox News or purposefully Christian shows. Christianity will be made fun of at least once, probably more on that show. Having Christian doctrines on walls is completely different from being Christina. Don't murder is a Christian doctrine. Should we get rid of that in public? One time a lady cussed me out while I was driving because I had cross hanging in my car.
@drummrath2 Not murdering people is a rather widespread idea, I don't think Christianity was the first to have the idea; "Oh hey! We shouldn't kill others! That makes so much more sense now" Also, then that was a very rude lady, because you have the right to hang that crucifix in your car and be religious if you want. However, it is undeniable that Christianity and the Bible have a large place in this country and its politics.
@SkittlesTheLucario You're wrong - it is deniable that christianity and the bible have a large place etc etc ... the majority of the population are non-believers, and the only reason for them having any place at all is the inertia of history and tradition.
They are not needed, substantially not wanted, and are (as they say these days) end-of-life products.
@SkittlesTheLucario I will not deny that Christianity, through history, had a large part in the beginning of America. But that's where it stops. I know she was a rude lady, but that's what Christians in America get now-a-days. Thanks to the stupidity of the Westboro Baptist Church, the general public think we are all like that and hate us. The public preach total tolerance until it comes to Christianity, then its ok to hate them.
@drummrath2 I'd say that it was ok to hate anyone who tells me that I'm going to burn in everlasting torment becuase I don't believe in their invisible boss. Not only that - I'd say it was ok to smack them in the mouth.
They are welcome to believe what they like, but they are not welcome to teach it to defenceless children, or to force down my throat. It's an insult.
@helperthrope Ok then think of it this way: I believe in a God. (how you feel about said God is irrelevant). I believe that if you don't accept this God you will go to Hell. How much do I have to hate you to firmly believe that and not tell you about it? That would mean I was perfectly ok with you going to hell. And that is FAR from absolute tolerance. So far its actually a joke.
@drummrath2 Fine - but you have no good reason to believe what you believe, other than that some other deluded religious person TOLD you to, without offering the slightest shred of real, tangible, testable, repeatable evidence.
The fact that I am born a bad person, yet the Lord of the Universe, the One who created everything (all stars and planets and galaxies). The Being who is beyond time, who created reason, who set science into motion. The future ruler of all things. Someone who can make even the stones cry out, calm any storm, and do things unfathomable to my human mind. That person loved me enough to give up His right to everything and die on a cross to pay for my sins so I can be with Him. That's negative?
@drummrath2 It's negative considering he left no proof of his existence so billions of people will burn in hell because God felt the need to make people born bad.
@shagoosty God left no proof of His existence...Oh so this big book I have with the words "Bible" printed on it means absolutely nothing? He left us His word in the form of the Bible. It isn't His fault if you choose not to believe it. We have no right to look at God and say "why don't you save everyone?" Instead we should look at him and say "why do you save anyone? we are all so evil deprived." God made us perfect. Adam sinned. It is man's fault, not God's.
@drummrath2 ... and your other effort below is an exercise in abject inferiority. What manner of supreme being would punish ten thousand generations for the 'sins' of one man?
Someone like Stalin, perhaps.
You've got to grow out of the fairy tales, brother. None of it makes any sense whatever - unless you look at it through the eyes of an ignorant, savage, Bronze Age desert-dwelling goatherd.
You aren't one of those. Don't think like one. Join the human race again.
@helperthrope One reason I'm a Christian: I don't have enough faith to believe the alternatives. I encourage you to read more. Especially "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. The more you read, the more you start to realize Christianity makes the most sense of any belief system.
@drummrath2 The mistake you make is to assume that there is a need for a belief system - there is not. I have read CS Lewis; the man was confused about his own beliefs.
You need to read nmore than just christian-oriented texts. THEN you begin to realise how much nonsense it all is.
@drummrath2 "The more you read, the more you start to realize Christianity makes the most sense of any belief system.” --> I’ve had many of my christian friends tell me this. I usually respond with “what other belief systems have you studied in detail? I usually get a blank expression or some “well We talked about islam in a bible study and it didn’t seem very nice”
So I ask you, what religions have you studied and to what extent?
@drummrath2 So if the Bible is proof of his existence I guess that means that Buddhism is right, Islam, Judaism, The Lord of the Rings, Arabian Nights...
A book isn't proof, especially a book that contradicts itself.
@drummrath2 “God left no proof of His existence...Oh so this big book I have with the words "Bible" printed on it means absolutely nothing?” --> I wouldn’t say it means nothing, theres a lot of culture in it. but proof? no thats not proof. If all it takes is a book then Islam is true. and buddhism and hinduism have larger books, etc.
I have a book called “the adventures of robin hood”
It has a lot of historical and cultural information, most of it being factual! But is the story 100% accurate? Does the Narnia series prove that witches and talking lions exist?
@BaneOfAzrael You have to understand my comment in context. I'm not saying the Bible is infallible proof of God's existence. The person to whom the comment was addressed asserted that if God really did create the world and send His Son, why did He leave us nothing to know that by? I stated that He left us the Bible as a record of His deeds and in order to know Him not that it is proof of Him. Then there's the whole area of special and general revelation that I won't get into.
@drummrath2 ok, well in that context I would beg the question, “is god insane?”
No disrespect to the bible, but ‘holy books’ are a dime a dozen. If God intended the bible as something to know him by, that just seems stupid, because its going to be limited in the time and context it was written, muddled over time, and seem unimpressive with all the others.
Ultimately we can’t know by it, so how can we know its the truth and not a story like all the rest?
@BaneOfAzrael Holy books are a dime a dozen, but there's something special about the Bible, isn't there? Still the highest selling book of all time (beating Harry Potter and Twilight). I read it today and still find relevant information on every page that I can relate back to my life. It is definitely impressive, still relevant in time today. I will admit it has been muddled in some translations, but you can easily revert back to the Hebrew and translate yourself if need be.
@drummrath2 "but there's something special about the Bible, isn't there?” --> not that I can see.
Religious books, especially the Bible and the Qur'an, are probably the most-printed books, but it is nearly impossible to find reliable sales figures for them. Print figures are missing or unreliable since these books are produced by many different and unrelated publishers. Furthermore, many copies of the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible and the Qur'an are printed and given away free instead of being sold
@BaneOfAzrael I love how you literally quoted that passage word for word from the List of Best Selling Books Wikipedia article. That's not adequate research. (And plagiarism. I joke, I joke).
Even atheist English professors will tell you the importance of the Bible. Look at how massive the Bible's impact has been. A great portion of the world has at least heard of it. That is not true of most other religious texts or Tale of Two Cities.
@drummrath2 "I love how you literally quoted that passage word for word from the List of Best Selling Books Wikipedia article” --> 2 minutes of research was enough to find information contrary to your claim.
Other sites say the same thing: a tale of two cities is ranked as first. However I could go a bit further and say that even that statistic is misleading. because of time.
@BaneOfAzrael Ok, you want to go time refernce? Fine. Tale of Two Cites published in 1859. Roughly 200 million copies sold. Lets look ONLY at the NIV translation of the Bible. The NIV was not completed and published until 1978. Sold (roughly) 215 million copies.
@drummrath2 Again, I have admitted that the bible is probably one of the most-printed books.
However, most printed does not = Bestseller. The statistics for the bible are unreliable because of the copious amounts that are bought and given away for free, bought to sit in church pews, bought to sit in hotel rooms, bought to collet dust on bookshelves, etc.
@BaneOfAzrael And I still believe only one translation outselling the closest competitor after only 34 years of existence, keep in mind ONLY ONE TRANSLATION, regardless of how many sit unattended (because technically, if you buy 30 Bibles and give them all away, 30 people have Bible still, regardless of who paid for them so giving away isn't a factor) if you add all other translations, the number of used Bibles will far exceed the number of any other used book.
@drummrath2 'Even atheist English professors will tell you the importance of the Bible.” --> They will tell you about the cultural impacts and historical impacts. But that doesn’t really make it true.
"A great portion of the world has at least heard of it. That is not true of most other religious texts “ --> Um the “world” is not consisted of just the west. In areas like india, tibet, etc. religions like hinduism or buddhism had a greater impact than christianity
@BaneOfAzrael Have you forgotten the topic? "That doesn't make it true." That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing it obviously has more impact and something more than other religious texts. Professors don't talk about the Gita.
Of course other religions have greater impact in those areas. Again...not the topic. Still, many people in the Eastern world have at least heard of The Bible or of the character of Jesus.
@drummrath2 "Have you forgotten the topic? "That doesn't make it true." That's not what I'm arguing.” --> lol “how do you know it’s true” was my original question, you went on this rabbit trail about it being the words best seller and your saying it has nothing to do with my original question? Thats almost comical that your accusing me of forgetting the topic.. almost.
@BaneOfAzrael Sigh...really? Ok, if you have to be a smart ass, may I amend my original statement to: "Professors don't mention the Gita, unless you are in some form of religion course or Indian/Mid Eastern culture course."
Go to India. Take a survey. The number of people who have heard of the Bible is probably pretty high. Go to L.A. Take a survey. The number of people who have heard of the Gita is probably fairly low: thus, the Bible has a wider range, so more, of an impact.
@drummrath2 " "Professors don't mention the Gita, unless you are in some form of religion course or Indian/Mid Eastern culture course.”” --> well to be fair, it was my english professor who first mentioned i take the class. and showed me some of the passages *sorry for being a smart ass, i just had to :D*
@drummrath2 " Professors don't talk about the Gita.” --> really? So the book I own that has excerpts of the Gita for a class where the professor talked about it and other aspects of hinduism for the bulk of the term didn’t happen?
@BaneOfAzrael My point is that The Bible is unique from religious texts. That is my one and only point. I will never try to prove that it is the truth, because I am not naive enough to think that logic will win anyone to Christianity when it is clearly a matter of the heart, which I have stated numerous times.
If their was a being powerful enought to create billions of people and spiteful enough to create a place such as hell to send, not just those who didn't turn out as he wished, but also those who simply don't worship him to suffer for eternity then he's not a god... he's a demon. The face of pure evil by any definition.
You can believe whatever you like but please don't tout concepts like hell while claiming your god is good
TheMognetCentral 19 hours ago
@TheMognetCentral Hell is God's compliment to man's free choice.
For you to go to heaven may be more of a hell than hell itself. God is therefore good because he gives you life and a free choice.
Thechristiancullen 18 hours ago
She clearly wanted a different reaction out of him, "..Aw man a Christian who believes in freedom of speech but also the infallibility of God''s Word.. Thats not fun.." No scientific evidence of hell? Get serious... Hell is anything but a scientific matter..."When we die nothing will happen" she said.. well what scientific evidence is that based off of?... She , like many others, despises the fact that they have to submit to God.
GrantyDg 20 hours ago
@GrantyDg
If is an actual place or dimension, then Hell is a scientific matter. Whether or not something happens after death is quite easy to test. Observe the body, see if any energy or soul ascends. If you say there is a soul, then it must be defined in a meaningful way, not just through wishful thinking. Also, where is the evidence of a soul before birth? do a few cells have a soul?
WiggyWittgenstein 4 hours ago
@WiggyWittgenstein If the universe was just a big box (even if it expanding) you cannot judge what you know by natural law to judge something that is outside or the box. You can't even speculate its place or dimension because it is beyond comprehension.
GrantyDg 2 hours ago
@GrantyDg "...well what scientific evidence is that based off of?"
Interestingly, there is evidence of life ending at death from both scientific AND scriptural sources.
It was during my time as a Psychology student that I realized that there can be no afterlife; because everything that we do and think and feel is a direct result of the physical brain. If the brain is altered, we are altered. If the brain ceases to function, WE cease to function.
SeedsOfHatred 3 hours ago
@GrantyDg (Part 2) As for a scriptural perspective, the Bible states in Ecclesiastes 9:5 that the "dead are conscious of nothing at all".
So, whether you believe in the findings of science, or you believe in the Bronze-age myths of the Bible: there is no life after death. Plain and simple.
SeedsOfHatred 3 hours ago
@SeedsOfHatred Familiarize yourself with the word eisegesis and then come back to your Ecc. verse. Secondly, the brain ceasing to function and losing consciousness clearly means your dead. your missing the point, if you think there is a way to measure if someone has a soul or not, and when it leaves them then you need to learn what exactly science, and its' method, are. Because that certainly is neither. This is a matter of faith for a reason. Its not measurable, observable, or repeatable.
GrantyDg 2 hours ago
Both were shit.
AndresPetMonkey 1 day ago
I'm an Athiest, but I'm not too sure her arguments were any good, TBH.
Ostler5000 1 day ago
oh wow, he is a dumbass, I'm not a religious person, nor am I atheist, but even I know that Jesus himself was a Jew, therefore saying Jews will burn in hell is the height of facepalm
TotalJargon 1 day ago
Wouldnt it be ironic if we come to discover that if there is some God up there in some alternate dimension that he/she/it/they whatever purposefully gace allowed religions to reign to see who could be strong enough of character and determined enough to use their own judgement and rationality to basically tell them all 'Jog on, mate'! with the end result being only such people get to proceed to "heaven"
OkamsRazer 1 day ago
the only reason that religious theists support the notion of "freedom of speech" usually is because without it they would be shut down like the moronic, unquestioning fools they are. If THEY had the power of dominance and could get away with it they would as has been shown throughout religious history.
OkamsRazer 1 day ago
I want to ask to all atheists:
How do you think about "demon possessed person"? I saw by my own eyes several times.
Because I'm from Indonesia, there is a traditional dance of indonesia, so-called "kuda lumping" (please googling, or search in wikipedia) where the dancers invite demons into their bodies. Eating real glasses is a part of the performance.
How atheist explain about "demon possession"? I want to know...
There is no reason not to believe in God. I confuse about atheism...
pengendownload 2 days ago
@pengendownload You have it backwards. There is no reason TO believe in a god. Have you ever seen a god? Have you ever seen his footprints even? If someone makes an outragious claim, then they need extraordinary proof in order that it be believed and Christians have NONE. NO PROOF, NOT ONE THING to prove that god exists. Demons do NOT exist either. It is most often women who become 'posessed' during these religious frenzies and it is all in their minds. It is ALL bullshit.
zideffil 1 day ago
@zideffil oh dear attacking that which you have no understand of again are we?
bleaktowers 1 day ago
@pengendownload How do you think about "rabbits being pulled(probably born fully grown)out of hats?" I saw by my eyes several times.
How do theists explain "hat rabbit births"? I want to know
There is no reason to believe in an imaginary friend. I'm confused of peoples credulousness especially with claims so absurd
robvlob 1 day ago
@pengendownload Okay. Put it this way. These people you are referring to, are probably all extremist kind of people. What they are experiencing is all in their minds, WEAK mindsets! Do not fall for these outrages and illogical rituals and such. There is no such thing as demons and gods. There are tons of reason not to believe in God, if you open your mind up a bit, you will find the answers themselves.
SCDigitalPhotography 8 hours ago
@SCDigitalPhotography
I have no problem to become an atheist. But there is no good reason not to believe in God.
Here is my true story, I do not lie:
I have a junior friend during my high school. One day during orientation camp, he was possessed by demon. He spoke like he was not him. He acted like crazy. I knew him, he was not like that normally. His parents came to school after being informed. The demon was cast out by an so-called "sorcerer".
How you explain? Thanks.
pengendownload 3 hours ago
@SCDigitalPhotography
Oh, one more thing. I'm more than happy to become atheist, because I loved porn. But now I'm a born-again Christian, I hav to stop that kind of addiction.
Here is one more to share: /watch?v=lVsBT2UhqI0
One indonesian-guy was shot by polices many times, but his body was bullet-proof. He kept challenging polices. Until someone told the police to shoot his ring, then his power disappear. He was then shot to death.
How you explain this bullet proof body?
pengendownload 2 hours ago
id burn in hell if it gave me a chance to put it in her butt
TheBrradsullivan 2 days ago
fucking scum.
callumWLB 2 days ago
Well not just christian, we muslim also believe, other faith beside Islam will be tortured for eternity in hell. But yes, I do not mind if atheist want to propogate their believe in the bus or other. Our duty is only to convey the message, wheter or not other accept it, its their problem with God, not us.
probokator 2 days ago
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i wouldn't worry if she told me not to!
dvrn86 2 days ago
This is what we call...nerd porn...
NexusHUBSH 2 days ago
I know I deserved Hell, but Jesus saved me and cleaned up my evil heart. I praise Jesus for the rest he gives, the work he did in my heart and continues to do. Praise His name, I look forward to worshipping Him for all eternity. Worthy is the Lamb!
soulwarrior77 3 days ago
@soulwarrior77 Just out of curiosity, what made you think that you deserved Hell?
JamesHLanier 2 days ago
@soulwarrior77 that lamb you talk about. Is that the same lamb that got his throat knived open and spilled his blood on the alter, what a lovely story and what a lovely god you worship. Do you also enjoy the passage about bashing the childrens heads against the rocks
MrMilagroqq 1 day ago
@soulwarrior77 A lamb is worthy of what...to be eaten? or fucked by some Muslim or other pervert? Now, first of all, let me ease your muddled mind - there is NO HELL. It was only a fabrication to keep bronze-age people in line. I believed that nonsense for years also, being that I was brainwashed by my well-intentioned parents but by the time I was 12, I had serious doubts about it all but never received an INTELLIGENT answer from any Christian so I studied and found the truth.
zideffil 1 day ago
@zideffil No need to attack Muslims. It merely reflects on your own intolerances.
NivMizzet13 1 day ago
@NivMizzet13 I wasn't attacking Muslims. It is a well established fact that many of them have sex with donkeys and other animals. I do have a need to attack them though, as they are the ones who are bombing the shit out of everyone and actually persuading children to tie bombs to themselves - in the name of a GOD??? This is SICK. And what about the sexual mutilation of women? THAT is disgusting and anyone doing that should be hanged.
zideffil 1 day ago
Does anyone know who the two people were in that vid?
0grea0 3 days ago
It´s staggering to me that they man, who seems like a rational and well-spoken person, would hold this mindset that every single person who doesn´t believe in Jesus Christ is going to suffer for that for all eternity.
Even an 8 year old can see a colossal flaw with that position for example by thinking "well what happens to a child in a part of the world where they haven´t even heard about christianity?"
The rest of the world is watching in complete awe what´s happening the US.
Lermasd 4 days ago
And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
HighCardWins 6 days ago
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.Exodus 21:7-11
HighCardWins 6 days ago
strangely most people have that prejudge that atheists must be sarcastic and moody, but can not appear innocent and cute like this girl
circleofpit 1 week ago
@Acc3ptanc3 yes
febuarysucks12 1 week ago
No scientific proof for hell, typical lol
h2omanz 1 week ago
she is not cute
insanic1 1 week ago
are u saying 67% of the world population are going to hell? Like the great OSHO once told, God is the biggest lie told to man. it is something we have been forced to believe from a very young age.it is stupid to believe that a person who is not a christian are going to hell. Its ridiculous
x0fahad0x 1 week ago
are u sayin all othr believrs who are not Christian will go 2 hell? Is it their fault they wer born to family who has raisd them to believ their faith?If u were born to a Hindu family,you would continue believing in that faith and would never say "oh, christian is the real religion". so are u saying its gods fault that they have given the child birth to this family?
x0fahad0x 1 week ago
The christian definitely won, and he will always win, because he/we have the help of God.
choobplaya 1 week ago 2
@choobplaya With God on your side nothing is immoral.
The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women" (Ezechial 9:4-6)
HighCardWins 6 days ago
@choobplaya Jesus said, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
First, slavery is immoral. Would you respect someone who holds you against your will and beats you if you don't obey? Out of fear only, but that's why Jesus said that.
HighCardWins 6 days ago
@choobplaya Is that the same god who helps people die in hurricanes, tornados, tidal waves, earthquakes, and also die of disease caused by the germs he created? What a bastard!
ghostframer 1 day ago
@ghostframer Haha! As long as he helps.
sicuris11 8 hours ago
One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.
Okay, so there's a cosmic Jewish vampire who was his own father and can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because some rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yep, Christianity makes sense.
moldrad 1 week ago
Does anybody else feel like the Christian won this round?
Acc3ptanc3 1 week ago
Atheism: So logical, a child can do it.
TheOkami1113 1 week ago
@TheVickie411 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To prove the non-existance of anything is impossible, but to claim the existence of something requires evidence. I will await your evidence with great anticipation. Bear in mind the bible is not evidence of anything or anyone.
Qteri1 1 week ago
@TheVickie411 If something is real, you don't have to pray or do anything that could be considered remotely ritualistic to know that it is real. If you want to claim that something or someone is real, you have to be able to demonstrate that it is in fact real and part of existing reality. That's how you tell the difference between things that exist and things that don't. Where is your demonstration that this god manifests and can be differentiated from things or beings that don't?
Qteri1 1 week ago
the poster had a smiley face :)
lozganon64 1 week ago
@PinkProgram choosing to not act on a choice is itself making a choice. Somebody can say I could never shoot a gun. Wrong... what they really are saying is I won't shoot a gun ever.
pointguard11 1 week ago
@pointguard11 I'm not making a choice. It would be like me saying you are making a choice not to grow wings and fly. I'm not capable of an action that would knowingly result in the extermination of humanity. I'm not sure why humans think I should be capable of making that choice... seems kinda stupid to convince me otherwise -____-
PinkProgram 1 week ago
@googlymoogly64 lol!
RedemptionFORus 1 week ago
@Thehellfireclan "pretty sure" ;-)
Thehellfireclan 1 week ago
I am pretty a dirty thought or two crossed his mind during the talk.. If not he's homosexual and will go to HELL. (says the ignorant Christians, not i)
Thehellfireclan 1 week ago
@Thehellfireclan strange logic...
LilDP 1 week ago
Wow, he owned her!
adtran3 1 week ago
@adtran3 Please offer an explanation?
ukatam 1 week ago
Even with the laws, and the consequences, we still have countless crimes of the worst sort.
Murder, rape, etc.
Now if people are "good" then why do they break the law, even a "good" law that everybody agrees with, EVEN with the additional deterrent of imprisonment or death sentence?
And that's just the ones that get caught. that doesn't count all the "little" evils that everyone does and gets away with; stealing from the boss, cheating on the wife, etc.
Wade23581 1 week ago
The fact that laws exist proves that humans are inherently evil on some level, and further, almost everyone acknowledges that fact. Humans must be governed in order to preserve some form of sanity and morality.
So the atheists primary argument in this film is founded on a belief that is fundamentally untrue.
Why gangs? Why school yard fights and bullying? Why child abuse and spousal abuse? Why murder and rape?
Humans are clearly inherently evil. Even breaking the laws they agree with!!
Wade23581 1 week ago
@Wade23581 All of us are born with the potential to do things that are considered unacceptable by the standards of the culture we are born into - society keeps us in line. We hear about bad things happening because bad news stories sell! The fact that we have managed to reproduce enough for there to be over six billion people in this world proves that there are only a few murders compared to how many people there are!! I don't need an imaginary pie in the sky ideal to keep me in line.
samanthajayable 1 week ago
@samanthajayable
Multiplying a lot doesn't prove goodness.
Lot's a people are sex slaves or raped, or any number of other issues.
Gengis Khan was a murdering bastard, but who knows how many children he had.
Almost anybody can multiply, doesn't make it good.
Ignore murder for a moment.
Why are a third of all women abused by their "good" spouse or lover(if unmarried) if humans are inherently good?
No, "Religion" doesn't solve anything, the Bible also tells you that.
Wade23581 1 week ago
The atheists argument;
I'd just like to spread the news that there is no good news.
We live in an unjust world where half our resources are spent fighting the evil of other human beings, yet she doesn't believe people are inherently evil?
there's more evidence of some form of inherent evil than probably anything else in life.
If people are good, why do we need laws to protect the weak and the less evil, and if everyone was good they'd follow the good laws, so why need consequences?
Wade23581 1 week ago
@Wade23581 If religion makes you good then why aren't religious countries more peaceful? Is the United states a peaceful nation? no! Yet people here are so religious and devout you can't even walk down the street without someone trying to preach to you.
samanthajayable 1 week ago
@samanthajayable
You missed the point, and so did they.
More laws don't solve the problem, because evil people do not obey laws, even if they conceptually agree with them, hence the violence, the drugs, the murder and rape, etc.
Ultimately, the only thing the law really does is point out the fact that people are evil, since it offers no power to prevent evil or actually change people.
What? You don't consider spousal abuse, child slavery, sex slavery, etc, as evil?
Wade23581 1 week ago
@Wade23581 So what's the good news? All of us are evil bastards. We deserve to go to hell unless we believe in someone who may exist. If we don't believe in HIM we deserve eternal torment even if we have lived an exemplary life. I have not committed those "little evils". Apparently you think cheating on your spouse is a "little" evil. Read your bible- new testament -and see how "good" God is. And don't bother replying to me because I've got better things to do than argue with morons.
samanthajayable 1 week ago
@samanthajayable
Moron? LOL.
I got it. "All creationists are automatically ignorant morons."
I have eidetic memory.
I have over 120 verbal I.Q. although vocabulary is my weakest area.
I've repeatedly tested in the high 130's and low 140's on "real" math and spacial reasoning based I.Q. tests, although those tests are fairly primitive and limited in what they can measure.
Would you like to try another word, or would you prefer to make a real argument against what I wrote?
Wade23581 1 week ago
@Wade23581 No matter what your level of supposed IQ is, if you can't rationally criticise your beliefs you're a moron...
ukatam 1 week ago
@samanthajayable
"Exemplary life" is unlikely, but you should carefully examine Romans 2, 13-15.
It addresses that questin directly, and the indication, contrary to modern variants of church doctrine, is that God ultimately judges all people by their intentions and pattern of works.
I should be careful how I say this, and you should take care how you "hear" it.
This is ultimately saying that God isn't going to judge people by a standard they could not have known about.
Wade23581 1 week ago
@samanthajayable
The "Good News" is that because God recognizes that man cannot redeem himself through any means, God made a "loophole" in the law, if you will, by fulfilling the law in man's place, and by sacrificing Himself for man's sin in order to not only reconcile the world to himself, but to also FIX the problem eventually.
See John 3,16 and Colossians 2, 13 and 14.
Modern Bibles definitely lose something in the translation to English, and should not be taken as "absolutes".
Wade23581 1 week ago
She's not that cute...kinda old for my taste.
Casshyr 1 week ago
STOP USING CIRCULAR LOGIC AS A FUCKING ARGUMENT.
XQriousX 2 weeks ago
you need to rename your title- Christian kills atheist in debate- atheist has a pointless argument
mikewaterloo1 2 weeks ago
now days atheist are making atheism a religion..lol
MrBen4king 2 weeks ago
@MrBen4king Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
LOGICandREAS0N 2 weeks ago
@LOGICandREAS0N isnt religion a strong belief?????? well dont atheist strongly believe that GOD doesnt excist
MrBen4king 2 weeks ago
@MrBen4king The fact that you have strong religious beliefs doesn't make any of them true.
I have a disbelief in your personal god because you cannot provide me with reasonable evidence.
LOGICandREAS0N 2 weeks ago
@dookdawg214 Well if matter has eternally existed then that means an infinite amount of moments took place before the big bang took place. The universe is here by 1: design 2: physical necessity or 3. Chance. It is not here by 2 or 3 so therefore it is design. If it is by design we are contingent. Where there are contingint beings there must be a non-contingent being which is the first, present & future cause. The atheist girl is well kept but nothing special. We agree.
JOYcrusader 2 weeks ago
I gotta say, the atheist girl isn't really that cute. I mean, she's fairly attractive, but nothing exceptional.
dookdawg214 2 weeks ago 2
@Decimaster321 Proving God like 2+2 = 4 is impossible but it is much more reasonable to believe in a prime mover rather than an infinite regress iof movers isn't it?
JOYcrusader 2 weeks ago
@Decimaster321 Ok. Now prove a) that the universe has an infinite past b) life comes from non-life and worse yet for you prove that something comes from nothing.
JOYcrusader 2 weeks ago
@JOYcrusader
An atheist doesn't need to prove any of this stuff. The mere admission of "I don't know how the universe began" is good enough. If you want to say that you DO know, then the burden of proof is on you. Also, both the atheist and the theist have to deal with the concept of infinity. Either God/gods is/are real and infinite or some early form of particles are infinite (e.g. quantum vacuum with virtual particles). For the latter there's at least some evidence.
dookdawg214 2 weeks ago
'No God...Dirt in the face...It's all over in the end.' This statement renders life meaningless. Without the existence of God you can't tell me there is a difference between Pol Pot, and Mother Theresa. Self sacrifice,&giving is foolish because we are wasting our 'only life' on those less fortunate. You cannot tell me your virtues are greater or less than mine, they just are, and are conducive to my happiness. Life is absurd without God, and it doesn't have meaning because I say it does.
JOYcrusader 2 weeks ago
@JOYcrusader Suppose I have a giant pink elephant in my cupboard, or rather, in all cupboards and yet no cupboards, everywhere and undetectable. Suppose my evidence for the existence of my cupboard elephant is that the existence of this elephant gives my life meaning. Is this a convincing claim? Does it count as evidence of existence? I think the existence of carbon nanofibers gives my life meaning and purpose, and even more, I can prove they exist.
Decimaster321 2 weeks ago
Where is cute girl?
rainyahoo 2 weeks ago
you know whats funny? atheist have more faith than christians do. do atheist firmly believe that theres is no god or they just hypothesizing? i mean come on, the things we depend on in everyday life like air and gravity you can't see those things but you know they are there, right?!
TheVickie411 2 weeks ago
@TheVickie411 Atheism is the defult position on the existance of any gods existance. After your parents and community pushed a certain god upon you, you started believing in that god. Does your god live up to the description of your holy book? If not I'd say it's a lot more likely that your belief takes infinitely more "faith" than the defult belief stand point that there are no gods.
FreeThinkingGamers 2 weeks ago 13
@TheVickie411
Not even Richard Dawkins says that he is completely sure that there is no God, we just have no reason to believe there is a God.
We can study air and gravity. We can test them by blowing up a balloon or by dropping a pencil. If you have a way for us to make tests on god, you should let us know.
A conclusive test would be nobel prize winning
WitchHunter93 2 weeks ago
Dead Religion Walking.
greyglee 2 weeks ago 2
I want to die and go to hell so I can meet up with that cute atheist girl when I get there.
prschuster 2 weeks ago 23
It seems idiotic that Christians capitalize on my willingness to admit that there are things we don't know and presently can't know, and they imply that therefore God may exist. And somehow they seem to imply that he MUST exist, since I can't disprove him. Faith is fine. But by definition it means a belief in something for which one has absolutely no scientific evidence, like Christianity.
chalino68 2 weeks ago
I was hoping they'd start making out at the end.
chanrichard911 2 weeks ago
She says that when we die we'll be at rest. Really? So she has her own religion, with its own unscientific comforting answers to the big questions. The religious guy offered his idea of comfort, but yeah, who doesn't believe that everyone else is wrong/going to hell?
To the guy in the suit, the douchebag is the musician in Williamsburg; to the hipster, the douchebag is the suit/corporate lawyer/Wall Street-type, who exploit$ everyone else's misfortune$.
The douchebag is always the other guy.
rrrrrrrush 2 weeks ago
to tell the girls dont make good arguments , im sure some do but i have never seena girl argue anything better than me if we were supplied with the same information
erti655 2 weeks ago
LOL this girl is not cute....sorry
RedemptionFORus 2 weeks ago
@RedemptionFORus It's England. There are different standards there.
googlymoogly64 2 weeks ago
She lost the arguement. The Old man was bringing up very good points. All she did was talk about there being no scientific evidence of no God.
OmarTheGuy 3 weeks ago
nice quote... what about the quotes that say that our basic human nature is sinful? or the quote that states God is a jealous God? (jealousy is the 10th commandment and taken, by some, just as seriously as murder). The bible doesn't give me any faith in the "word of God" and it gives me tones of reasons to believe that what this guy is say is a load of crap.
uru39 3 weeks ago
She's right, he's wrong.
But more importantly, she is indeed a cutie.
RatFacedJasper 3 weeks ago
There's no fucking god. All religions are a lie. They're stupid forms of social control. If you think that a handful of desert hermits somehow discovered the ultimate truth of everything without even knowing that the earth revolves around the sun, then you are truly lost. There's not a single chance that the fools who wrote the bible got anything right, not a single fucking chance. All they did was write some terrible, shitty "literature." I wouldn't even call it literature.
beeeefcurtains 3 weeks ago
Bhagavad Gita? --> Hindu Scripture. Sadly I don’t own a copy of it, but I do a book that contains excerpts from it.
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
...that is not what it is supposed to be interpreted as. that verse eludes to self awakening over a religious establishment.
Shogundavis 3 weeks ago
The girl pretty cute btw lol
MrMrahill 3 weeks ago
These kind of debates (if you cld call it that) just make me laugh b/c neither person gives credible answers about why he or she is right lol. And I know the video is short but what was the point of putting it up for the public to view? Idk...enough of my 2 cents lol
MrMrahill 3 weeks ago
This video is pointless on both sides. Both parties' arguments and points are simply not good. Btw, Why is his first statement such a shocker lol?? If he didn't believe that people who don't follow the bible (& Jesus), atheists and ppl of other faith, are going to hell, What wld be the point in following the Christian faith? Islamic and Jewish ppl wld probably say the same thing if they were being honest with you lol
MrMrahill 3 weeks ago
This video is very sad. The poor girl has no idea... but afterall, it is an all knowing and sovereign God that made her that way. Some vessels he prepared for mercy, some for wrath.
#calvinism=accurategospelpresentation
alexandria7410 3 weeks ago
freedom of speech? not anymore. STOP ACTA
moibourgeois 3 weeks ago
YES BELIEVE LIKE ME AND YOU WONT GO TO HELL WHAT BUNCH OF BULLSHIT.
vishee2906 3 weeks ago
Atheists say they have a "belief in no gods because of lack of evidence". This relies on assumption and speculation. Can the Atheist PROVE that there is no evidence for God's existence? In other words, can the Atheist prove that God didn't create everything the Atheist sees (cosmos, Earth, plants, animals, humans, etc)?
SuperKhan06 3 weeks ago
@SuperKhan06 Let me guess. The burden of proof is on Theists?
SuperKhan06 3 weeks ago
@SuperKhan06 Of course it is. You can't make something up and have everyone believe it. It's better to say you don't know the answers than dedicating your life to ignorance.If there is a god, he gave us logic and scientific process. In a hundred years we may know the answers, but not know. We are starting to create anti-matter, mini suns etc. So our knowledge is improving.
adibese 3 weeks ago
@SuperKhan06 "In other words, can the Atheist prove that God didn't create everything” --> Can you disprove (or have the time to disprove) all the hundreds of thousands of religions, myths and supernatural legends? Can you Prove that Jimmy the magical flying turtle isn’t the one true lord and saviour? Is it your responsibility to disprove all these claims?
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@SuperKhan06 That's really not how it works. Can you PROVE there's no evidence of Unicorns? wtf? First you start off saying "How did we come to be?", then you hypothesize as to what the solution could be using evidence. "God" is a cop out excuse for people who couldn't live their lives without knowing the answers. If Christianity was "the true religion", why did the rest of the world not know about it? Why was it made more than 70,000 years after the first recorded religion?
adibese 3 weeks ago
Somehow, I knew who the "cute atheist girl" was before I clicked ;)
tintiringa 3 weeks ago
I hate any religion that uses fear to recruit and keep members. If there is a god, do you think he'd care if you worship him? If so, I don't want to be around that egomaniac.
adibese 3 weeks ago 2
@adibese That is the worst view on Theology I think I've ever heard....
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 Why? If a god cares that much about the little people worshiping him, and using fear to keep them worshiping, he is an egotistical ass. Don't want to meet him. Much rather have nothingness or be with the one angel who put a stand to the selfish prick.
adibese 3 weeks ago
@adibese What I'm about to say won't make sense to you at all, I suppose you'll have to trust that its the truth. Followers of Christ will fully understand what I mean and agree with me. God does not force us to worship Him. He does not need anything at all from us. The Bible says if we don't worship Him, the rocks will, so it doesn't matter. We GET to worship Him. When you recognize the sacrifice and love He has, you want to worship. Its our privilege, not our sacrifice.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
this is the start of a porno.
hugosemc 3 weeks ago
Atheist have never had a voice? Come to America. Christians are hated here. Atheist are praised. Is that the kinda voice and tolerance you wanted?
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 What are you smoking, bro? Christians have ALL the power here. The past 43 Presidents have been Christian, and there is a slim to none chance that any non-Christian will ever enter the White House. Christians have a monopoly in the United States with their religion. If you haven't noticed even 200+ years after the separation of church and state many public institutions STILL have Christian doctrines on their walls, our MONEY says "In God We Trust, etc.
SkittlesTheLucario 3 weeks ago
@SkittlesTheLucario I'm sorry, but that's utter bullshit. Watch any show on American TV with the exception of Fox News or purposefully Christian shows. Christianity will be made fun of at least once, probably more on that show. Having Christian doctrines on walls is completely different from being Christina. Don't murder is a Christian doctrine. Should we get rid of that in public? One time a lady cussed me out while I was driving because I had cross hanging in my car.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 Not murdering people is a rather widespread idea, I don't think Christianity was the first to have the idea; "Oh hey! We shouldn't kill others! That makes so much more sense now" Also, then that was a very rude lady, because you have the right to hang that crucifix in your car and be religious if you want. However, it is undeniable that Christianity and the Bible have a large place in this country and its politics.
SkittlesTheLucario 3 weeks ago
@SkittlesTheLucario You're wrong - it is deniable that christianity and the bible have a large place etc etc ... the majority of the population are non-believers, and the only reason for them having any place at all is the inertia of history and tradition.
They are not needed, substantially not wanted, and are (as they say these days) end-of-life products.
The sooner we're rid of them, the better.
helperthrope 3 weeks ago
@helperthrope The believers or non-believers are best rid of? You got a little vague there, sorry.
SkittlesTheLucario 3 weeks ago
@SkittlesTheLucario No no .... the subjects of the original statement .... christianity & the bible ....
helperthrope 3 weeks ago
@SkittlesTheLucario I will not deny that Christianity, through history, had a large part in the beginning of America. But that's where it stops. I know she was a rude lady, but that's what Christians in America get now-a-days. Thanks to the stupidity of the Westboro Baptist Church, the general public think we are all like that and hate us. The public preach total tolerance until it comes to Christianity, then its ok to hate them.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 I'd say that it was ok to hate anyone who tells me that I'm going to burn in everlasting torment becuase I don't believe in their invisible boss. Not only that - I'd say it was ok to smack them in the mouth.
They are welcome to believe what they like, but they are not welcome to teach it to defenceless children, or to force down my throat. It's an insult.
helperthrope 3 weeks ago
@helperthrope Ok then think of it this way: I believe in a God. (how you feel about said God is irrelevant). I believe that if you don't accept this God you will go to Hell. How much do I have to hate you to firmly believe that and not tell you about it? That would mean I was perfectly ok with you going to hell. And that is FAR from absolute tolerance. So far its actually a joke.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 Fine - but you have no good reason to believe what you believe, other than that some other deluded religious person TOLD you to, without offering the slightest shred of real, tangible, testable, repeatable evidence.
helperthrope 3 weeks ago
@SkittlesTheLucario Actually the money thing only started this last century.
shagoosty 3 weeks ago
@shagoosty Actually it began during the Civil War in the 1860's. :p
SkittlesTheLucario 3 weeks ago
The fact that I am born a bad person, yet the Lord of the Universe, the One who created everything (all stars and planets and galaxies). The Being who is beyond time, who created reason, who set science into motion. The future ruler of all things. Someone who can make even the stones cry out, calm any storm, and do things unfathomable to my human mind. That person loved me enough to give up His right to everything and die on a cross to pay for my sins so I can be with Him. That's negative?
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 It's negative considering he left no proof of his existence so billions of people will burn in hell because God felt the need to make people born bad.
shagoosty 3 weeks ago
@shagoosty God left no proof of His existence...Oh so this big book I have with the words "Bible" printed on it means absolutely nothing? He left us His word in the form of the Bible. It isn't His fault if you choose not to believe it. We have no right to look at God and say "why don't you save everyone?" Instead we should look at him and say "why do you save anyone? we are all so evil deprived." God made us perfect. Adam sinned. It is man's fault, not God's.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 ... and your other effort below is an exercise in abject inferiority. What manner of supreme being would punish ten thousand generations for the 'sins' of one man?
Someone like Stalin, perhaps.
You've got to grow out of the fairy tales, brother. None of it makes any sense whatever - unless you look at it through the eyes of an ignorant, savage, Bronze Age desert-dwelling goatherd.
You aren't one of those. Don't think like one. Join the human race again.
helperthrope 3 weeks ago
@helperthrope One reason I'm a Christian: I don't have enough faith to believe the alternatives. I encourage you to read more. Especially "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. The more you read, the more you start to realize Christianity makes the most sense of any belief system.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 The mistake you make is to assume that there is a need for a belief system - there is not. I have read CS Lewis; the man was confused about his own beliefs.
You need to read nmore than just christian-oriented texts. THEN you begin to realise how much nonsense it all is.
Try cosmology - now THAT make sense.
helperthrope 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 ... and ultimately - the fact that YOU believe it doesn't mean that it's going to happen!
Given the number of other religions that YOU would claim are wrong, the chances of yours being the only right one are non-existent.
helperthrope 3 weeks ago
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@drummrath2 "The more you read, the more you start to realize Christianity makes the most sense of any belief system.” --> I’ve had many of my christian friends tell me this. I usually respond with “what other belief systems have you studied in detail? I usually get a blank expression or some “well We talked about islam in a bible study and it didn’t seem very nice”
So I ask you, what religions have you studied and to what extent?
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 So if the Bible is proof of his existence I guess that means that Buddhism is right, Islam, Judaism, The Lord of the Rings, Arabian Nights...
A book isn't proof, especially a book that contradicts itself.
shagoosty 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 “God left no proof of His existence...Oh so this big book I have with the words "Bible" printed on it means absolutely nothing?” --> I wouldn’t say it means nothing, theres a lot of culture in it. but proof? no thats not proof. If all it takes is a book then Islam is true. and buddhism and hinduism have larger books, etc.
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 Or what about this:
I have a book called “the adventures of robin hood”
It has a lot of historical and cultural information, most of it being factual! But is the story 100% accurate? Does the Narnia series prove that witches and talking lions exist?
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@BaneOfAzrael You have to understand my comment in context. I'm not saying the Bible is infallible proof of God's existence. The person to whom the comment was addressed asserted that if God really did create the world and send His Son, why did He leave us nothing to know that by? I stated that He left us the Bible as a record of His deeds and in order to know Him not that it is proof of Him. Then there's the whole area of special and general revelation that I won't get into.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 ok, well in that context I would beg the question, “is god insane?”
No disrespect to the bible, but ‘holy books’ are a dime a dozen. If God intended the bible as something to know him by, that just seems stupid, because its going to be limited in the time and context it was written, muddled over time, and seem unimpressive with all the others.
Ultimately we can’t know by it, so how can we know its the truth and not a story like all the rest?
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@BaneOfAzrael Holy books are a dime a dozen, but there's something special about the Bible, isn't there? Still the highest selling book of all time (beating Harry Potter and Twilight). I read it today and still find relevant information on every page that I can relate back to my life. It is definitely impressive, still relevant in time today. I will admit it has been muddled in some translations, but you can easily revert back to the Hebrew and translate yourself if need be.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 "but there's something special about the Bible, isn't there?” --> not that I can see.
Religious books, especially the Bible and the Qur'an, are probably the most-printed books, but it is nearly impossible to find reliable sales figures for them. Print figures are missing or unreliable since these books are produced by many different and unrelated publishers. Furthermore, many copies of the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible and the Qur'an are printed and given away free instead of being sold
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@BaneOfAzrael I love how you literally quoted that passage word for word from the List of Best Selling Books Wikipedia article. That's not adequate research. (And plagiarism. I joke, I joke).
Even atheist English professors will tell you the importance of the Bible. Look at how massive the Bible's impact has been. A great portion of the world has at least heard of it. That is not true of most other religious texts or Tale of Two Cities.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
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@drummrath2 "I love how you literally quoted that passage word for word from the List of Best Selling Books Wikipedia article” --> 2 minutes of research was enough to find information contrary to your claim.
Other sites say the same thing: a tale of two cities is ranked as first. However I could go a bit further and say that even that statistic is misleading. because of time.
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2
A tale of two cities was published in 1859
Lord of the rings was published in the 1950’s
They are separated by 50 million copies but the tale of two cities has had a 100 year head start
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@BaneOfAzrael Ok, you want to go time refernce? Fine. Tale of Two Cites published in 1859. Roughly 200 million copies sold. Lets look ONLY at the NIV translation of the Bible. The NIV was not completed and published until 1978. Sold (roughly) 215 million copies.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 Again, I have admitted that the bible is probably one of the most-printed books.
However, most printed does not = Bestseller. The statistics for the bible are unreliable because of the copious amounts that are bought and given away for free, bought to sit in church pews, bought to sit in hotel rooms, bought to collet dust on bookshelves, etc.
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@BaneOfAzrael And I still believe only one translation outselling the closest competitor after only 34 years of existence, keep in mind ONLY ONE TRANSLATION, regardless of how many sit unattended (because technically, if you buy 30 Bibles and give them all away, 30 people have Bible still, regardless of who paid for them so giving away isn't a factor) if you add all other translations, the number of used Bibles will far exceed the number of any other used book.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 'Even atheist English professors will tell you the importance of the Bible.” --> They will tell you about the cultural impacts and historical impacts. But that doesn’t really make it true.
"A great portion of the world has at least heard of it. That is not true of most other religious texts “ --> Um the “world” is not consisted of just the west. In areas like india, tibet, etc. religions like hinduism or buddhism had a greater impact than christianity
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@BaneOfAzrael Have you forgotten the topic? "That doesn't make it true." That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing it obviously has more impact and something more than other religious texts. Professors don't talk about the Gita.
Of course other religions have greater impact in those areas. Again...not the topic. Still, many people in the Eastern world have at least heard of The Bible or of the character of Jesus.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 "Have you forgotten the topic? "That doesn't make it true." That's not what I'm arguing.” --> lol “how do you know it’s true” was my original question, you went on this rabbit trail about it being the words best seller and your saying it has nothing to do with my original question? Thats almost comical that your accusing me of forgetting the topic.. almost.
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@BaneOfAzrael Sigh...really? Ok, if you have to be a smart ass, may I amend my original statement to: "Professors don't mention the Gita, unless you are in some form of religion course or Indian/Mid Eastern culture course."
Go to India. Take a survey. The number of people who have heard of the Bible is probably pretty high. Go to L.A. Take a survey. The number of people who have heard of the Gita is probably fairly low: thus, the Bible has a wider range, so more, of an impact.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 " "Professors don't mention the Gita, unless you are in some form of religion course or Indian/Mid Eastern culture course.”” --> well to be fair, it was my english professor who first mentioned i take the class. and showed me some of the passages *sorry for being a smart ass, i just had to :D*
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 " Professors don't talk about the Gita.” --> really? So the book I own that has excerpts of the Gita for a class where the professor talked about it and other aspects of hinduism for the bulk of the term didn’t happen?
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago
@BaneOfAzrael My point is that The Bible is unique from religious texts. That is my one and only point. I will never try to prove that it is the truth, because I am not naive enough to think that logic will win anyone to Christianity when it is clearly a matter of the heart, which I have stated numerous times.
drummrath2 3 weeks ago
@drummrath2 "My point is that The Bible is unique from religious texts. “ --> How?
BaneOfAzrael 3 weeks ago