Atheist hides from question; Would you shut down NAMBLA

[53dumey]

You're forgetting that Religion is Not based on Physical facts, its based on a belief system handed down over Centuries.

Science itself has begun to dwell in science fiction with Quantum physics, when it throws out the laws of physics. And Thats WILFUL on your part !

[Ryakki]

@53dumey

Quantum physics is confirmed heavily by experimentation, it's a hardened target, there are unknowns on the exact functions of the mechanisms or at least uncertainties, and that's they they continue to probe, but the nature of science is never to know everything with absolute certainly... if I were you I'd go after an unproven theory, like string theory, which is only supported by math and fitting the framework of reality, but no physical experimentation. Not that I dislike it.

[Andrewcranky]

It's a really simple thing.

One can defent the RIGHT of someone to SAY what the want, without defending or agring with what they say.

As offencive as NAMBLA is, and there are a lot of offencive people out there, if they don't have the right to say what they want, neither do you.

Words are not actions. Actions are punishable by law. Words are not.

[warezvz]

@Andrewcranky thats where you are wrong

words are punishable. For example if you say "we should overthrow the goverment" its a crime and you go to jail. It has nothing to do with what nambla says its what they want to do. And raping 5 year olds is just wrong and should be punished

[Andrewcranky]

@warezvz Saying that we should overthough the goverment in a general sence is not illagel. Plotting to take spasic actions that would result in the violent death of spacific persons or subverting the democratic process is. Likewise. Saying that you would like to see age of consent laws done away with in no more illagel then saying that you would like to see any particular law or restriction done away with.

Plotting to rape a spcific child in conspeariacy to commite child molastation.

[Andrewcranky]

@warezvz Again, this is a matter of defending the RIGHT of someone to say something, regardless of wether you or I would otherwise agree with it.

No one has the right to be not offended.

[Ryakki]

@warezvz

Free speech is free speech.

You must fight the hardest to protect speech that you hate, because that right is your right, and your most important right.

I'd point out that you were a small minded idiot, but you already admitted you were religious.

[53dumey]

@Ryakki

IF free Speech is free speech then why do News personalities get fired for saying they are against gays or gay marriage ?

I'll tell you why, because people get upset and call the station manager or threaten to boycott. Therefore there is no more free speech.

I can't have a person arrested for talking about how to seduce a young boy But I can have him arrested for touching that boy and I can make it a Quest to destroy that mans life.

[53dumey]

@Ryakki

Also, personally attacking someones intelligence based on wether they are religious or not only shows how much you are small minded and ignorant !

[Ryakki]

@53dumey

When you're a public spokesperson for a major organization and are very vocal with controversial topics you risk your job. That's more common sense then constitutionally protected free speech. You represent that company, you make them look bad, you go.

As for judging someone's intelligence based on a disbelief in science, logic, and reason... be it based on jesus, mohammad, thor, or the trix rabbit, yes, I feel I have every right to judge someone as less intelligent because of it.

[53dumey]

@Ryakki

Seems to me you are greatly over-reaching here.

Science and the study of the Cosmos bagan in Religion.

76% of all Doctors are religious, 30% of all scientist today are religious.

A belief in ANY religion does not muddle a persons mind when it comes to physical science !

[Ryakki]

@53dumey

Religion is how we explained the world before science was advanced enough to give us the real answers. We have those answers now, on all major points where religion once held sway. All ancient religious texts are now made to look insanely foolish in the light of the facts we now understand. To continue to cling to belief in them in direct opposition to fact and reason is not excused by people hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of years ago being ignorant. It's now WILLFUL.

[MakeAGameWithMe]

@Ryakki I will believe in Evolution when they find the "missing link". they can find loads of dinosaurs that are millions years old, but not even ONE missing link?

[Ryakki]

@MakeAGameWithMe

These days there's not much missing. That's somewhat of an old concept that creationists hang onto as an excuse not to believe more than anything that's actually an issue for science.

[MakeAGameWithMe]

@Ryakki That is not true, and iam not a hardcore creationist. just give me REAL evidence and i will believe in your science 100%. because science is facts, and the problem with Darwinc theory is that its only a theory, that even he stoped believing in before he died.

[Ryakki]

@MakeAGameWithMe

Ok uh... how about we and chimps sharing 99% of our dna exactly including vestigial dna that, as far as we can tell, doesn't even do anything. And how we have one fewer chromosome, and one of our chromosomes has end pieces in the middle as if it fused at some point. How about the dozen or so valid species of non-homo sapiens, other species of humans, that have been found? What about being able to watch the development of life from simple to complex in the fossil record?

[MakeAGameWithMe]

@Ryakki that still dont prove anything, scientists can cultivate human organs on rats, that doesnt mean we came from rats. Many animals have very similar dna , and so do humans, it still doesnt proove anything. I can prove to you 100% that when you connect electricity to a lamp it illuminate, but you can not prove to me 100% that Evolution is true. You see my point?

I am a software developr and sometime you think that a code will work 100% in theory but when test it you find out it didnt work

[Ryakki]

@MakeAGameWithMe

Meh, we can watch viruses and bacteria evolve, and the evidence for evolution being correct in whole is as massive a body as that for gravity or atomic theory. The lack of an eye witness for the entirety of the evolution of life on earth seems like you're just LOOKING for something to grasp on to in order to disbelieve.

If there was 1/100th the evidence in a murder trial as there is for evolution, it'd be an absolute slam dunk.

[MakeAGameWithMe]

@Ryakki No you take it the wrong way, i would gladly welcome Evolution IF it could be proven. They have found hundreds if not thousands of dinosaur skeleton wich in the theory of Evolution is way longer back then the "missing link" BUT they havent even found ONE missing link. Also the whole idea seem dumb to me, 2 rocks created the big bang that created everything..well what created the rocks?And most important, the guy who came up with evolution stoped believeing in it cuz it had to many holes.

[Ryakki]

@MakeAGameWithMe

They've found so many fossils at so many stages now... I'm really not entirely sure what "missing link" there is to be found. I mean, the fact that we have any fossils are all is amazing, it's only under extremely unusual circumstances that they ever form in the first place. The completeness of the fossil record is what amazes me, lol. I guess I'm the opposite on that one.

As for the energy for the big bang, we're not there yet, but not knowing exactly doesn't mean god.

[MakeAGameWithMe]

@Ryakki Well if you didnt know the big mystery is that they havent found the missing link between man and monkey, the one that would prove evolution. And i agree, not knowing doesnt mean god and also dont mean evolution

[Ryakki]

@MakeAGameWithMe

I guess the missing link is the specific ancestor where homo-sapiens (and the 14+ other homo-whatevers) diverged from modern apes? Fossils so rarely form it might very well not exist. If it does, if there's no genetic material, we might never know what it is for sure. Hell we might already have it and not know.

The evidence is so complete though that it's like one unimportant frame from a three hour movie being blurry... it's... trivial... and there's no competing movie.

[piemakesmelol]

@warezvz- No words are not punishable at all. You base actions on the consequences and outcomes of said action, not merely the threat or concept of an action. I despise NAMBLA and I personally feel they're all mentally ill. But at the same time I would be going against my core beliefs of freedom of speech and expression if I didn't let them have their say. What you seem to not understand is, EVERYONE else also has their say, meaning that they'll be outnumbered.

[PorkFrog]

[continued] We mustn't delude ourselves that repression and censorship will eliminate evil-that's up to the individual, and ultimately repression creates rigidity in the individual that doesn't allow the mental development to see the good and bad of a thing

[PorkFrog]

[continued]

I agree that free speech must be protected, ESPECIALLY when unpopular[Jesus, MLK, anti-war dissent etc] Words are our unit of thought, control words and you limit humanity's development. We mustn't be afraid of ourselves and our ability to discern good from bad and stymie freedom and choice.

[continued]

[PorkFrog]

Understand what you wrote a month ago, but the creation of words technically IS an action, even tho we like to make the distinction. That fact is reflected legally by libel, conspiracy, slander, defamation, and the new stuff about terrorism with kids writing stuff in school etc.

you are wrong, but not for the reasons warezvz wrote. For instance weed is illegal in my state, but no one goes to jail for promoting legalization verbally. Same with child molestation

[continued]

[ProphetGuardian]

I think that guy who called in was a Nambla member .

[piemakesmelol]

What does NAMBLA have to do with Athiesm? NAMBLA has nothing to do with religion, or lack there of, it's a disgusting organisation.

[CamillaCalamity]

He's not answering because the interviewer keeps talking over him every time he tries to say something and then starts calling him a pervert. I'd refuse to continue an interview as well if the interviewer started acting like this dick.

[ThErAmWaNtShAm]

Nazi

Americans

Molesting

Boys

Love

Abomination

Fuck all you NAMBLA fagots

[christoph2005]

Terrible question.

Also a loaded question.

I'll answer your question.

I personally would like to see Nambla be shut down.

That said, I'm fairly certain that there are members who have not actually had any sort of sexual relation, mutual or otherwise, with underage children.

In that respect, they have done nothing illegal, nor immoral, and certainly do not deserve persecution.

However if said person actually commits such an act, then absolutely that person needs to be removed from society.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

@christoph2005

"I personally would like to see Nambla be shut down."

But how can you shut down NAMBLA when it doesn't actually promote pedophilia? As long as they aren't actually planning or promoting anything illegal why should NAMBLA be shut down?

[Redbloodedsky]

@SuperAtheistBrothers

wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=O3­YVMZ0pQpA

Not reason enough you sick fuck?

[christoph2005]

@SuperAtheistBrothers

Oh, but undercover investigations have shown that they do in fact promote pedophilia.

The motto of NAMBLA is "Sex before 8 or it's too late"

Undercover federal agents have reported that speakers at meetings have spoken that it's okay to have sexual acts with a child as young as eight months old.

They have also reported that information is exchanged on numerous occasions on how to best proceed to get children alone with you in order to commit sexual acts.

Don't lie about it

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

@christoph2005

#1 show me your sources for that evidence, #2 if you're right then NAMBLA should be shut down because it is actually promoting pedophilia.

What is curious though is that if that evidence exists, why hasn't NAMBLA already been shut down?

My guess is that this evidence doesn't exist, and thus the organization is still innocent.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

@PsychoBurgundy2

The main reason why I think it would be unethical to indict someone for merely having sexual fantasies is that you would be indicting someone for a thought crime. I really don't believe you can be guilty of a purely abstract thought, like a sexual fantasy. Perhaps I need to be more concise on what I mean by a purely abstract thought, but I am pretty confident that a thought crime shouldn't deserve legal recourse.

[Fragem420]

everyone should engage in denial of service attacks on nambla.org they can't arrest us all.

[LashByLash69]

'Atheist' should be changed to 'sick person'. You're giving atheists a bad name

[kristoffersayshi]

I have plenty of Atheist and Religious friends whom, like me won't shut down NAMBLA. We'll Destroy Them!

[xysig]

you are a retard, firstly he avoided a question where either answer could be taken as a negative, if he said he wanted nambla shut down then he's blocking free speach and is "anti-american", if he says he doesn't then he's a "pedo supporter"

secondly what does 1 persons opinions have to do with not believing in a god who promotes murdering your own kids?

[PortVienna80]

NAMBLA is an organisation promoting paedophilia! What more evidence do you people need?

[RedcrownX]

I would also like to say that the assumption that ALL, or even MOST, atheists define themselves and their everyday activities around their "non"-belief. there are exceptions everywhere, but I feel justified in saying that until religion becomes an impediance of individual rights, it's just a "non-issue." look at it like this (no offence): unless someone made decisions that effect your personal life due to their belief in Cpt. Crunch, do you even think about him? we're not all Richard Dawkins.

[RedcrownX]

i think we all agree that NAMBLA is reprehensible, and that in a perfect world this type of BS would not havethe chance to exist, much else use technical loopholes to manipulate the law. however, would we really be better of without separation of church and state? don't act like horrendous crimes like pedophelia & genocide didn't happen under theocracies, and don't imply that atheists lack morals. besides, how does ANY of this help to prove god exists.

[QQMarkPS2]

@warezvz War is the key to end rapists.

[QQMarkPS2]

NAMBLA must die, war is the key to blood shed and destruction.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

Can you demonstrate why I am wrong, or are you just going to make an ad hominid attack attack against my character, rather than my arguments?

Please explain to me why I can gather and speak my mind in a forum, but they cannot gather and exercise their constitutional rights (right to assembly & freedom of speech)? Why don't they deserve the same rights you have?

[warezvz]

because evry organization that tryes to harm somebody should be stoped. And if you try to legalize pedophilia you are risking lives of small kids that cant protect them self. Its wrong to have relationships with small kids and if you dont understand that you are a sick person. I know that its wrong to have sex with kids and the law knows it to. The law is made to protect those that cant protect them selfs from the people that want to harm them.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

"because evry organization that tryes to harm somebody should be stoped."

Okay please demonstrate the evidence that NAMBLE is connected to anything illegal. If you can, I will be right there with you to shut them down.

"legalize pedophilia"

No one is guilty of a thought crime, and they aren't anymore guilty then a pro-drug club.

"Its wrong to have relationships with small kids"

But why does that deprive them of their constitution rights, unless you can prove they are guilty?

[warezvz]

just tell me what numbla means. what does it stand for?

Its a pedophile club wanting a legal law that can get them a nice raping day in a kid cribe

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

So, what?

What if a pro-drug organization advocated legalizing drugs? Should they also be disbanded for having different beliefs that are currently illegal? There is no necessary law breaking here. Also you're actually strawmanning NAMBLA when you say they advocate 'rape.' Perhaps they advocate statutory rape, but they don't advocate involuntary sex.That is the whole point of their organization, to legalize statutory rape. They don't advocate doing anything illegal though.Where is your evidence?

[warezvz]

read the statement of the organization that it sen to the cord to legalize and what the actions are.

PS shock kicked your ass (raped)

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

PM me the link, and I will read it?

What are you talking about? I don't believe Shock has ever talked to me, mostly because he doesn't allow dissent.

[Redbloodedsky]

@SuperAtheistBrothers

You are one sick son of a bitch, and a shame for all atheists out there. Don't you have common sense? You are promoting pedophilia you sick fuck!

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

@Redbloodedsky

How does what I believe "shame" all other atheists? This subject has NOTHING TO DO with atheism. NAMBLA has the same constitutional right to assemble as you do, and unless you can demonstrate that NAMBLA has actually promoted pedophilia, you are making false accusations.

You probably don't even know what you're talking about because you think you have "common sense", but in reality you're are just not informed on this subject because it is far more complicated then you assume.

[Redbloodedsky]

@SuperAtheistBrothers "and unless you can demonstrate that NAMBLA has actually promoted pedophilia, you are making false accusations." Aside from it being confirmed by people who have left NAMBLA because of promoting pedophilia? Are you an idiot? Would you accept a murderer's gathering just because it's legal? Oh, and assuming I'm not informed and you are makes you just as ignorant and foolish as anyone else. Well done trying to sound smart and ending up not making any valid point.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

@Redbloodedsky

If the gathering of murders only discussed cooking pies (or something that isn't directly promoting illegal acts), and the members of the group are obviously not demonstrably guilty then they have a right to assemble given to them from the constitution. If you don't like it then go try and change the constitution lol.

So please show me this evidence of "people who have left NAMBLA because of promoting pedophilia"?

[christoph2005]

@Redbloodedsky

Fuck you for shaming atheists.

this guy is a pedophile who happens to be atheist by coincidence.

Don't tie the two together shithead.

[Redbloodedsky]

@christoph2005 We left that behind long ago dumbfuck, don't meddle in conversations that are weeks old.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

@christoph2005

That is the kind of ignorance that is almost scary. Because I defend an organization's right to exist you attribute me as a pedophile? We since you're obviously against the constitution by opposing me, I consider you a Nazi loving anarchist.

You're right though, we shouldn't tie atheism and other non-related beliefs together. That is reasonable.

Assuming I am promoting pedophilia because I am taking a position similar to the ACLU requires an appalling ignorance.

[imsleepyish]

@warezvz what does atheism have to do with pedophilia? or free speech for child molesters? or being a pervert? its kind of ironic hearing a catholic(are you catholic? christian? whatever..) accuse someone outside of an organized religion that they might be contributing to young boys being molested by older men, by NOT believing in god... dont you think? or, is that not what this is about?

[Cafeeine]

Do you really think that if NAMBLA has the sort of political pull to legalize pedophilia? And if so, do you think simply shutting down a group will destroy this pull? As stated, simply shutting down NAMBLA will not do anything. The minds behind it will still be working for their goals. So unless by 'shutting down' you mean putting every member in prison (a feat I would applaud if you could do legally) its an empty feel-good gesture.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

"So unless by 'shutting down' you mean putting every member in prison"

That is an unjustified generalization. Not every NAMBLA member is definitely a pedophile. Thought crimes aren't anymore justified in the real world, as they were in 1984. I do agree though, if they are a pedophile, I applaud you for putting them in jail.

I will ask this question point blank though, Cafeeine, if you had the power would you shut down NAMBLA, on principles, not feasibility or practicality?

[Cafeeine]

No, I wouldn't. If you ask me however if I had the power to eliminate pedophilia (without actually killing every pedophile) I would be very much tempted to, freedom of belief be damned.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

Wow SoG is such an asshole lol. First off, atheists only agree on one thing necessarily, they don't believe in a god. Morality and our values on freedom of speech are COMPLETELY separate issues. I also will defend his stance, but not as an atheist, as a libertarian. I honestly believe that if NAMBLA wants to go around preaching whatever kind of bullshit (like the KKK) they should be allowed to do that as long as their is no evidence that they have done anything more than spoken then minds.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

(continued)

Every group has the right to assemble, and every person should have the freedom to speak their own mind, if they choose to. Again, this issue has absolutely nothing whatever-so-ever to do with atheism, but our views on freedom. Besides, coercing them isn't going to destroy their movement, the only way to destroy their movement is to demonstrate how ridiculous and wrong their claims are. Sweeping them under the rug will do nothing, but make martyrs out of their group.

[Cafeeine]

Can we have the backstory on this? This seems like a complete ambush from the clip on here.

[warezvz]

the story is that the organisation NAMBLA is trying to push the right so they can legalize the crimes that they do and to put the people in jail that do thet sick stuff. This organization tryes to push the right to legalize sexual relationships between adults and kids (boys). The goal of this organization is to legalize pedophilia. We try to stop them.

[warezvz]

google nambla for the real trouth

[Cafeeine]

I'm aware of what NAMBLA is and what it represents. However in this clip the atheist was blindsided and put on the spot. I wouldn't oblige such tactics either.

Furthermore, the question is wrong. The issue isn't shutting NAMBLA down, its dealing with pedophiles. Shutting down the organization will not suddenly make its members disappear. I'd rather keep the thing open and in plain view rather than hidden in basements where its hard to find.

[xysig]

as long as they don't hurt anyone or break the law they can do whatever they want, that's the point of a free society, if you don't like it move to somewhere in the middle east where women are slaves to their husbands and homosexuals are stoned to death without a good reason.

actually, that's pretty much what your bible wants isn't it? why haven't you moved over there yet? oh yeah, you like freedom too much to obey your own holy book. way to believe.

[BASSCHAMP101]

warezvz has permitionto use this video!100%

That was just incase of flagging.

God bless.

[warezvz]

no problems. i did this because i wanted to get you secure of flaging it down