Phar Lap vs. Sunline

[moanadeep]

not Pharlap, he was a KIWI!!!!!

[SvendBosanvovski]

Phar Lap would have been undefeated once he hit his straps as a late 3yo, If racing in the 1930s was structured as it is today, with elite horses competing almost exclusively in WFA or quality handicap races at handpicked distances. His three defeats were over 8f and 9f at the beginning of his preparation (twice to Amounis), or carrying the grandstand. Sunline was a great sprinter miler, but PL won against the best over every distance from 6f to 2.25 miles.

[Bellatrix2987]

I think Phar Lap was the best racehorse, because you have to look for his weights and his great race in america, whre he wins with a split hoof!

[89Djm]

Who cares where the horse was born?

Silent Witness was born in Aus and has retired in Aus, was raced in Hong Kong for his whole career and as such isn't really known by the Australian general public.

Black Caviar has New Zealand and American roots, but fouled in Australia.

[256webby]

If we want to start going back down the bloodlines then we might as well go all the way back to the Darley Arabians and be done with it

[256webby]

Just read some of the comments, what an discussion. Just to get in the frame, Phar Lap was born in Temuka, just out of Timaru, NZ, I've walked where it happened. Sunline was born in NZ also. Phar Lap raced entirely in Australia / USA, so let's just call him Australasian. Sunline raced in both countries and internationally and is recognized by all thoroughbred experts as from NZ.

[SugarTomAppleRoger]

On of the greatest horses even in New Zealand was Gloaming. He was an Aussie, and we admit it. Why can't Australians admit Phar Lap is a Kiwi? The three greats for New Zealand are: 1) GLOAMING (AUS) 2) DESERT GOLD (NZ) 3) PHAR LAP (NZ) The five greates for Australian are: 1) KINGSTON TOWN (AUS) 2) BERNBOROUGH (AUS) 3) PHAR LAP (NZ) 4) TULLOCH (NZ) 5) CARBINE (NZ) Both Gloaming and Desert Gold won 19 in a row, like turf queen Zenyatta. Phar Lap would not match that.

[rscarbro100]

Sunline is the best hands down. She has 7 champiohship awards to Phar Lap zero. Phar Lap never was a 'Champion' of nothing. Sunline won 13 major races to Phar Lap 12. Sunline was faster as well. A lot of fillies & grandpa's like Amounis could beat Phar Lap. Both NZ horses but raced in Australia. They were Zebra Australian striped horses. Thats what you call them when one country sells them to other countries or they send them to the meat house. Go Sunline.

[shahzad4u4u]

there is a horse in pakistan phar lap

[oakleee]

team phar lap

[BLOODYCLQ]

Phar Lap was a Turkish horse, doesn't matter where born or raced, all the horses race in Australia today are pure breed Turkish horses, since the beginning of Australian horse race history this has never changed,

[wayneo1269]

Centrefold Phar lap was only nz bred he did all his racing in oz and was trained and ridden by aussies you need to get over yourself.He never raced in nz ever so how can you claim him?We acknowledge he was bred over there but to call him a kiwi horse is insulting.Secretariat's bloodlines can be traced back to Carbine so should we call him kiwi horse too?I THINK NOT

[SvendBosanvovski]

These are arid debates. Australian owners and trainers have acknowledged for many decades the extraordinary quality of the Kiwi stayer - Redcraze, Rising Fast, Dalray, Might and Power,Tulloch, Peter Pan, Bonecusher, Saintly, Rough Habit, Super Impose, Galilee, to name a few others. Many of these were sired by foreign imports, or the sons of foreign imports. Ultmately, a champion comes into being because of a Sir Patrick Hogan, a JB Cummings, and a George Moore all contributing something.

[LIGHTNINGB0BBY]

where was carbines sire from? uk thats where,

It doesnt matter where the horse was foaled, it matters where the horse was trained ,sunline was new zealand, but pharlap was an aussie,,kiwi born aussie,,he became great here in australia,,,new zealand thru him away like a banana pill,,,there have been thousands beyond thosands of kiwi dus that have come here,,more duds then winners thats for sure,,great horses come from everywhere,the great northerly for an example.

[chumba2472]

phal lap was the best there evey was

[RosevaleStud]

Phar Lap Rules

[emmashaz]

NEW ZEALAND BLOODSTOCK!!!!! REMEMBER THAT!!!!!

[crestmead7]

I dont see the Kiwi's claiming Lonhro, Saintly etc "Even though they sired by NZ bred stallions.

" Phar Lap and Sunline where homebred NZ CHAMPIONS"

Tthe 7th dam of Sunline was "Fortunes Wheel" a full sister to Phar Lap another full sister was the 4th dam of the handy Australian galloper "Planet Kingdom" the sire of the Caulfield cup winner "Ming Dynasty"

[mikerat007]

In my opinion there have been only 3 great racehorses in Australia - Phar Lap, Tulloch and Kingston Town and of the three I think Tulloch was the best. If he hasn't nearly died at 3 and missed 2 years racing in his prime his record would have been unbelievable. as it was he was unplaced only once in over 50 starts. A freak.

[mikerat007]

I My opinion there have been only 3 great racehorses in Australia - Phar Lap, Tulloch and Kingston Town and of the three I think Tulloch was the best. If he hasn't nearly died at 3 and missed 2 years racing in his prime his record would have been unbelievable. as it was he was unplaced only once in over 50 starts. A freak.

[woody7075]

@mikerat007 I concur with your opinion with Tulloch a fraction ahead of Phar Lap who is ahead of Kingston Town and then Sunline rated next!

My proof:

(1) Longtime master racing journalist Les Carlyon (on video) states; "As a 3 year old I rate Tulloch better than Phar Lap and Carbine"

(2) On international points rating system Tulloch is rated at 138 with Kingston Town on 137 and at least half a dozen points ahead of the likes of Dulcify, Better Loosen Up and Might and Power, Not sure Sunlines IR

[LIGHTNINGB0BBY]

ALICEMROX how are they the best in australia??? becasxue they raced in australia!!! lmao dehhhhhh pharlap was australian ,born in new zealand came here at 1 trained and raced here .. sunline was kiwi but raced here more then she did there ..... so we can say she WAS australias great not meaning she is australian lol typical kiwi dumb as dogshit point is pharlap is ours sunline you can have her but she became a champion here

[LIGHTNINGB0BBY]

emmelby well said i agree with you pharlap was born there but was trained and raced here . Telfords training played a big part in pharlaps success... people always forget about the little guys and thier participation .

[emmelby]

Personally, I could never consider myself anything other than a NZer, no matter how long I lived in another country. Whether that's because I'm Maori, or just because I love this country is a moot point.

What I don't believe though, is that Phar Lap is as big an icon to us as he is to Aussies, he simply can't be. He's probably only second to Don Bradman over there. How many humans rank higher than him here in the public consciousness? Ed Hilary, various All Blacks, Richard Hadlee...

[emmelby]

Both horses were champions of their time, and will be considered champions forever. However, you simply cannot compare such different eras with their different training styles, feed, etc...

Sunline cannot be considered anything but a NZ horse. Born, bred, trained, and raced here, she then spent most of her career in Oz.

NZ bred Phar Lap, but to claim him solely as our own is illogical. He was trained and raced in Oz, give credit where it's due. We bred him, they raced him.

[HazesSquirt]

@emmelby FINALLY. Someone here actually has brains!

[alicemrox]

What the FUCK!? Sunline is all New Zealand, Phar Lap is a New Zealander but got trained in aus. How are these the best horses in Australia?! They're New Zealand horses!

[Fillerzine]

@alicemrox Of the FIVE horses inducted in the inaugural class of the Australia Racing Hall of Fame, THREE of the five were Kiwi-breds: CARBINE (NZ), PHAR LAP (NZ), and TULLOCH (NZ). Of the five horses inducted into New Zealand's Racing Hall of Fame, ONE was an Aussie-bred, GLOAMING (AUS). Other great NZ champions in the Oz Hall of Fame: GALILEE MIGHT AND POWER RISING FAST SUNLINE SUPER IMPOSE Future HoFer: SO YOU THINK (NZ)

[matakai]

FACT 1-WHERE U ARE BORN DECIDES UR NATIONALITY!!!! unless by reading these posts! EDUCATION TIME so if a person born in Australia moves to another country he is no longer Australian and will have to change place of birth and country he supports also.also aussies saying bout our rugby team.ummm nrl/afl.where was george gregan born? :)

i love our competitiveness over nationality it didnt matter to the bullets in flanders field but does over racehorses hehe

[LIGHTNINGB0BBY]

phar might be kiwi born but he is a aussie ...in this country you can be from plenty of lands .. but we are one but we are many from all the lands  acrooss we come . we are aussie PHAR LAP WAS AUSSIE aussie trained he grew up here i was born in another country came here when i was 2 but im aussie all the way i live an aussie lifestyle so did pharlap he is aussie shut it matakai peace :)

[LIGHTNINGB0BBY]

ask gregan what he is!! he will say aussieeeeeeee :)

[manlyfanatic]

Sunline is actually related to phar lap through one of big reds full sisters. there is room for both arguments, however any person who saw phar lap generally believed they had never seen anything quite like him, might be why noone thought much of him as a youngster. He won the kings pl by 20 lengths being pulled up half way up the straight, his time for this race would have won every melb cup to 1950 and every syd cup to 1970. With modern training who knows, but he was well ahead of his time.

[LIGHTNINGB0BBY]

i know there related nothing new there...

[matakai]

plz learn to get facts correct,phar lap,nz bred and born and sold to Australia.

Sunline N.Z born and bred and owned and raced in both countries.STOP CLAIMING OUR HORSES AUSSIE OI OI OI LOL

[LIGHTNINGB0BBY]

your such a tool claiming our winning horses, but probably ignore the loosing ones. Phar lap came here when he was 1 . was trained on our soil and grew on our soil and won for australia yes he was new zealand born BIG DEAL you's disowned  him ... he is aussie all the way . Sorry to say sunline was a great mare but to compare her against phar lap? come on now!!... theres no comparison there comparing lonhro to sunline would of been better ..but lonhro's better :)

[MrGerryodonothing]

Its all academic now Sea the Stars is the new King of the Flat.

[Erbblume]

Go Phar Lap :) !

[crochampion]

Well i can Say the Supermighty Makybe Diva was better than both :P

[bustacomeagusta]

what!!!! maykebe was a great stayer but thats about it...phar lap could win at any distance ... and phar lap competed in 4 group 1 races in 8 days and won them all a record still not beaten and wont.... very rarely phar lap was not in the top three ,cant say the same for makyebe ...so please dont insult bobby the big red

[crochampion]

yes but that was 80 years ago, the competition has increased, there more horses, more jokeys. Phar Lap was good for his time, but i believe if he was to race in todays competitions he wouldnt be nearly as succesful

[bellaserene]

Both Phar Lap and Sunline won overseas. The Diva didn't. Imagine Phar Lap today with fair weights and racing every 1-3 weeks instead of up to 3 times per week which he did often. In terms of timeform ratings Phar Lap is rated 138, Sunline 129 and Makybe Diva 125. It took Tulloch to break Phar Lap's 28 year AJC Derby record. His timeform rating is 136. Racing back in the 30's was riddled with corruption and poorly regulated. Don't dismiss so easily the capability of TBs of the past to today's.

[bustacomeagusta]

phar lap and sunline in the same sentence... not good :)

[bustacomeagusta]

your knowledge on this subject crochampion is as bad as your spelling... :)

[bustacomeagusta]

if he was racing in the modern era like today, he would of got the same training benifits of the race horses of today, and with his abnormal large heart and his staying power!! i reckon he would of won a lot more then he did just my opnion and for the fact that he probably would'nt of gotten poisoned (and would of had more races) by greedy jelous people becasue in todays day and age it just doesnt happen, just admit it croc phar laps the best and you know it... :) stop bieng stubborn

[bustacomeagusta]

how dare you compare sunline with the almighty phar lap. this new zealand born australian trained race horse is on a different level .... a higher level ... remember that ...dont ever use there name in the same sentence again....

[MrGerryodonothing]

It was the Melbourne cup, (so many cups to remember) anyway its a good argument all the same when you consider natonal hunt racing up here (oright down here so) but year after year irish bred horses win the Cheltenham Gold cup and the Aintree national yet the credit goes to the country (mainly britain) coz the horse is owned there! Phar Lap was an exceptional horse like Arkle or Red Rum.

[SugarTomAppleRoger]

MrGerry. Harness racing horses are considered big in Australasia too. In Australia, Pure Steel and Paleface Adios were big. In New Zealand, Cardigan Bay is probably as big as Phar Lap. Cardigan Bay was certainly more successful than Phar Lap.

[MrGerryodonothing]

Lads, Can any of youz tell me if us Irish win the whatyamacallit cup again which Mr. Weld probably will in 2011 do we get to keep it?

[RStoddart]

Phar Lap was bred in NZ... He was bought at the Annual yearling sales for around 20 Pounds I think... Many horses sold at these places go overseas.. So was Tulloch and so many other Australian Champion horses...

[HanoiKyle]

Lol, the kiwis are trying to steal pharlap from us, if it wasn't for us Aussies youse wouldn't have heard of phar lap in the first place. He may have been born in N.z but he was raised here. If I was born in N.z but raised in Aus, I'd consider myself Aussie.

[Centrofold]

Well, that is you not Pharlap. lol

NZ does not have to steal anything. Phar Lap was born in NZ, that automatically makes him a Kiwi. So he raced in Australia. Next you will telling me that the Bee Gees are Aussies too. They were born in the UK which pretty much makes them English. Likewise with Olivia Newton John. That is the trouble with Australia, they rely on imports lol (I am joking)

[manlyfanatic]

Phar lap is purely Australian, Its a bit like Indian giving for a Kiwi to claim Phar Lap, you cant sell him and then claim him back, if he was racing today in the world cup it would be for Oz. The only time he was in N.z is before he was sold and for 6 weeks beofre he left for america. None of his ancestors or even his parents are kiwi. If it goes on where u born and not raised then give half your rugby team back to the pacific islands.

[Centrofold]

The facts are Phar Lap was born in NZ. He was a descendent of Carbine, who incidentally is a Kiwi. Sunline and Makybe Diva are also descendents of Carbine. Sunline being born in NZ and Makybe Diva being born in the Northern Hemisphere. The fact is, NZ breeds some excellent examples of horseflesh, like with Phar Lap and Sunline. Those are the facts as I know them.

I am not going to get into 'other' sports -- this subject is about Carbine and Sunline.

[LIGHTNINGB0BBY]

@Centrfold carbines sire was irish so does that make everyhorse that came from carbine irish? lmao

[xxcrystlecityxx]

@Centrofold well if your gona go like that then Phar Lap is really and english/irish horse since thats where his whole family roots started

[ArabianHorsesRuleLOL]

acturally he's australian, new zealand sold it to us then he did most of his racing in australia.

[Bassow2008]

yes you are right, thanks for your comment!!

[ArabianHorsesRuleLOL]

yw :) awesome vids btw

[HazesSquirt]

@ArabianHorsesRuleLOL

wow! settle. Phar Lap was NZ bred, Australian owned. Thats the way I see it.

[BOUWSs]

@ArabianHorsesRuleLOL he was fouled in NZ! thus is a NZ horse! holey sht you australians tryin to claim him as your own

[ArabianHorsesRuleLOL]

phar lap all the way!

[MasterCraftsManLuver]

Sunline For Mee

But They Are Both Amazin

RIP Sunline

RIP Phar Lap

[sphyco11]

Phar Lap was New Zealand bred and sold on, Sunline on the other hand was well-raced and trained through New Zealand by Peter McKay. And yes, I think it does matter that the video-poster does their research and gets the facts right. Australia always steals our stuff.. Lol. Like Russel Crowe, for instance.

[Bassow2008]

nice comment, thanks!!

[AmyleeNZ]

actually sunline was raced by steven and trevor mckee

[Centrofold]

Correction about Sunlines trainer. She was bred by Susan Archer and Michael Martin (yes in NZ).. She was trained by Trevor and Stephen McKee. Anyway getting back to the subject I don't think it is right to compare these two Kiwi bred horses. They were both amazing horses. Of course I have a very soft spot for Sunline because I saw her before her first race at Ellerslie and their was no doubt that she was out of the ordinary. I was not around to admire Phar Lap. That is the difference.

[Centrofold]

@sphyco11

Small correction..............Sunlin­e was trained by Trevor and Stephen McKee.

[HazesSquirt]

@sphyco11 wtf? Peter Mckay didnt train Sunline!!??

Stephen & Trevor McKee did...I have her book, signed by her trainers :)

[SugarTomAppleRoger]

@sphyco11 Yes. Read this.

SUNLINE (NZ)

PHARLAP (NZ)

NZ means New Zealand.

:)

[xBadassThylacine]

@SugarTomAppleRoger i wouldn't be surprise if no one knows what NZ stands for :P

[SugarTomAppleRoger]

@xBadassThylacine I'll add this one...

SO YOU THINK (NZ)

[RuffianQueenOfRacing]

@sphyco11 LOL when phar lap was all skinny and covoured in warts and scabs NZ didnt want him and sold him to AUS, but when he became a champion all of a sudden hes NZ again? LOL pathetic!

[rifflord235434f43]

@sphyco11

I hardly call a bloke growing up here from a young age and declaring himself as Australian as stealing. It's not where you're born but where you're raised that determines nationality in my opinion. Thus Phar Lap is Australian. I'm sure you've met New Zealanders who were born in a different country for whatever reason, yet they're still Kiwis.

[RuffianQueenOfRacing]

@sphyco11 new zealand didnt want phar lap, so they sold him to us! they did nothing for him except BARELY get him through his 1st year!

[Fillerzine]

@RuffianQueenOfRacing

Bullshit. Harry Telford asked his brother Hugh - who lived in NZ - to purchase him after researching his bloodline. He was born & bred in NZ and purchased in NZ by a NZ buyer for his brother in Australia. Get your facts straight.

[RuffianQueenOfRacing]

@Fillerzine Phar Lap was skinny, and covered in warts NEW ZEALAND DIDNT WANT HIM! so australia took him on! after all, phar lap and sunline would have emounted to NOTHING unless they were brought to australia! no one cares about new zealand!

[XxBrokenBackRiderxX]

They may have been bred in new zealand, but the world sees them as australian.

[AmyleeNZ]

thats because the world thinks nz and aus are the same thing

[munchom]

they are both New zealand bred horses not australian

[Centrofold]

They were both wonderful horses and have brought joy to horse lovers all over the world.  They should be remembered for what they achieved and for what kind of horses they were and for how they captured the hearts of people. Not for where they were born to give people some sort of false pride. No one chooses where they are born including horses.

[xPharlapx13]

point

[jmarc28lock]

overall phar lap wins hands down. against ne horse for that matter, tho would of loved to see these two race over 2040m!!

[munchom]

these horses are new zealand horses do your research for gods sake

[toddmalcolm]

They were both great race horses, but Pharlap was in a class of his own.

In 2000 Sunline broke the $11 million dollar prize barrier . If Pharlap was racing at that time and won the same races he won during his career he would have finished with prize money just above the $18 million dollar mark.

And dont forget he died before his racing career was over and was unfairly weighted out of the 1931 Melbourne cup with 68kg. He won 32 of his last 35 races.

[ArabianHorsesRuleLOL]

really?! He won 32 of 35 races?! Wow! Thats amazing! lol

[TheWannabes0]

R.I.P Sunline <3

[swanningaround]

I don't know what Sunline is. Probably a good Australian horse. However, I do know that Phar Lap is an American horse, being owned by an American. He also retired in America.

[bellaserene]

Sorry, but Phar Lap was foaled in New Zealand, that's a fact. It's like saying Makybe Diva is an Australian horse because she was owned by an Australian when in fact she was foaled in Great Britain.

Sunline is a champion New Zealand mare. She won in Hong Kong, came 3rd in Dubai and won major G1's in Australian and New Zealand. She won 32 of her 48 starts and raced primarily at WFA.

Phar Lap didn't retire in America. He died there.

[xxcrystlecityxx]

@bellaserene 25% of auzzies wernt born in australia wat ur point?? new zealand gave him up your loss

[AmyleeNZ]

he was bred in new zealand in timaru then australia bought him

[MasterCraftsManLuver]

sunline was amazin she won 13 grade ones

[Bassow2008]

yes she was an incerdible horse!!

she lives ever in our hearts!!

the queen "SUNLINE"

[HazesSquirt]

@MasterCraftsManLuver

you mean group ones? lol

[Ravenspass4life]

both amaizng

i cant choose

was sunline a filly

[bellaserene]

A mare, and a brilliant one at that :)

[Ravenspass4life]

i thought so she was good

[zabeelrules]

Sunline is a New Zealand horse and Phar Lap was bred in New Zealand but i think Phar Lap was better way better but Sunline was great to she had her first foal to my nanas brother stalion Zabeel and it sold for around 2 mill and sunline did sprint races and phar lap did all sorts

[Centrofold]

Hi Zabeelrules - So, Sir Patrick Hogan is your great Uncle. Sunline's first foal was Sunstrike a filly by Rock of Gibraltar - she is now 4.. Her second ospring, a colt 3yrs is indeed by Zabeel.- a great sire following on in the footsteps of his wonderful Sire Sir Tristram. She then had two more fillies, a two year old by Rock of Gibraltar and a yearling who is said to be very much like Sunline in looks and temperment - she is by Hussonet. The foal Sunline lost was to OReilly.

[Centrofold]

About Sun Ruler, the colt Zabeel/Sunline. It won't matter which of his parents he takes after he can't lose. I just hope nothing tragic happens to him. The best thing I can say is he is being trained by Trevor and Stephen Mckee which is great. They are wonderful trainers and people. Just like Sir Patrick and Lady Hogan.

[Centrofold]

I would not compare Phar Lap to Sunline -one of the reasons being the one you mentioned. How do you compare a long distance runner to a sprinter/middle distance horse in all fairness. Sunline did beat some excellent horses at WFA though, didn't she?  It is the same as comparing Makybe Diva to Sunline - I would not do that either. Completely different styles of racing - both wonderful mares.

[Centrofold]

I will admit I have a very soft spot for Sunline and I was privileged to see her on many occasions. She stood out as being something well out of the ordinary for sure and I will be following with great interest her progeny. No doubt all the connections to Sunline, Rock of Gibraltar, Zabeel and Hussonet will be doing like wise. :)

[ArabianHorsesRuleLOL]

you said both wonderful mares... phar lap was a stallion

[marysueeasteregg]

Phar Lap was gelded.

[ArabianHorsesRuleLOL]

gelded? I just learnt something new! lol so that could also be a reason why he raced so well. lol thanks :D

[kiwigolfr]

I guess only domination of competition at the time is the decider and every horse Sunline raced against did nothing after they were humiliated by her. Check the record.

[Bassow2008]

ok, thanks!

[fuckyall44]

Sir, I believe you need to check the record. After running 2nd to her in the 1999 Cox Plate, Tie the Knot won the 2000, 2001 & 2002 Chipping Norton Stakes, The BMW in 2000 & The Ranvet in 2000 & 2001 which are all Group 1 events. He was also named Australia's Champion Stayer in 2000. So much for doing nothing after they were humiliated by her. Numerous examples abound - Northerly dominated her and Lohnro after runnning 4th in the George Main to her, beat her next start in race record time.

[kiwigolfr]

Its like comparing Tiger Woods with Ben Hogan or Sam Snead, different eras, the only way you could ever compare is if they raced each other. In my opinion, even though I am connected with Sunline, I cant say she was better because of the difference in time. I mean Sunline couldn't compete against Phar Lap and therefore cannot prove superiority, same as Tiger.

[Bassow2008]

thank you very much for your comment.

[bellaserene]

Both horses were NZ bred but are best known for their racing success in Australia & o'seas.

The true test of the superiority of a racehorse can be defined not only by their speed but stamina to carry weight to victory particularly in WFA. Phar lap is unequalled. Won 28 WFA, 3 HC, & the equivalent today of 22 Grp 1.

Sunline rates with Kincesm & Wakeful as one of the greatest female racehorses of all time; 48:32-9-3, 13 Grp 1.

Greater than Phar Lap, no. He's in a league all of his own.

[Bassow2008]

thanks for your comment!!

[howzathumdinger]

sorry and no offence,i dont think this is very fair to Sunline being matched up by one of the greatest racehorses of ALL time...Sunline was excellent,aboslolutely but i have to say Phar Lap was a better racehorse (:

[Bassow2008]

ok thanks for your comment!

your opinion is important for this video!!!

[Adamrumsby]

i don't think u could even put up a fair argument in trying to compare these two racehorses. Sunline was a great horse year in and year out and did win two cox plates, but so did Phar Lap. he also won a victorian derby, ajc derby, ajc craven plate three times, and u can't forget his melbourne cup of 1930. he thenn went on to win overseas at a time when intercontinental travel wasn't the greatest like it is today. sorry, but i think Phar Lap takes the cake on this one!

[Bassow2008]

thanks for your comment!!

[kiwigolfr]

i am the grandson of trevor mcKee and I have riden her when she was a 2 year old on my dads farm. Just watch two of Sunlines races, the first Cox plate win and the win in HK against fair king prawn, no need to say anything else. BTW they are both NZ horses haha!

[Bassow2008]

you ride her in the workout???

thats cool!!

but she wins her best races in australia but you are right!!

thanks for your comment

[wotmidoin]

i went to school with a mckee in paeroa i know there is some link to trevor as far as paeroa goes sunline paraded there i think

[zabeelrules]

sunline was put in foal to my nanas brothers stalion zabeel

[wotmidoin]

Im picking that if sunline did not perform well in aussie you would be saying she was a kiwi lol.i guess the mckees are aussies too since they were in aussie with her lol

[all4pharlap]

But its not so much if they were bred in NZ it was where they raced and had there sucess

pharlap was just bred in NZ he didnt have any trainning or racing there so really he wasent a NZ horse

sunline she wasent ethire she did most her racing in australia

[wotmidoin]

australian horses?They were kiwis how was sunline an aussie horse

[Bassow2008]

ha ha ha, thanks for your commen!

you are great;-)

[all4pharlap]

i'd say if they have done most of there racing

in australia there australian

and same with if there raced in nz exepot then there a nz horse

[zabeelrules]

they were born in nz it is there home

[zabeelrules]

i no they were both bred in nz

[Lisbeth4040]

No horse can compare to Phar Lap!

He will allways be the greatest racehorse in the world.

Phar Lap expert Norway.

[Bassow2008]

The greatest horses are Man O War and Secretariat for me but Phar Lap is also in this class of racehorses!!

thanks for your comment!!

[ewhi1]

Can't compare the two. One was a gelding, the other a mare.

Phar Lap won 2 cox plates as did Sunline, but Sunline wasn't a stayer whereas Phar Lap was. Can't compare the two.

[Bassow2008]

Yes i can!

Phar Lap and Sunline are the best horses ever they raced in Australia!

waht ever they could long or short distanz!

i want just to know, waht the racefans say about this two horses!?!

the opinion of the people is very important for me and you hasn´t an opinion!!!!!

Question for you??????

Who was better in your eyes????

Thanks for your comment!!!

[ewhi1]

no comparison, Phar Lap was the greatest horse this country will ever produce.

[Bassow2008]

ok you are for phar lap!!

thanks

[Shamiranz]

Australian horse my arse!! born a NZ horse and died a NZ horse that horse became a country icon for NZ never forgoten...

[ewhi1]

yeah, both horses were born in New Zealand. But no one gives a fuck where they are born, its where they race that counts. Sorry Kiwi.

[all4pharlap]

pharlap didnt die in nz

and he actually was more an australian horse

BECAUSE he didnt race at all in nz AND his breeders were not actual new zealanders

[vivdnz]

no he died in the US, does that make him a yank?

[zabeelrules]

Phar Lap was born in nz he is a nz horse my mum is australian but she lives in nz but she is not a nz

[all4pharlap]

He was still trained in australia

raced in australia

so really it was the austraians that made him good

and btw if u read the headlines in them days it said AUSTRALIAN horse pharlap not NZ horse pharlap

[zabeelrules]

Even if the horse was trained in australia the training might have taught him some things but they did not tech him to run like he did Phar Lap did all that

[philstu]

Thanks for putting this together Bussow. Yes, both Sunline and Phar Lap were New Zealand born & Bred; with Sunline owned, trained and racing in New Zealand in its early preps. Phar Lap was sold to Aussie before he raced, like many Champions of the Australian Turf.

[Bassow2008]

Thanks for your comment!

[smallvillegottaluvit]

Sunline is a descendent of phar lap through one of his is full sisters .heres another point no one goes on about Phar Laps full brothers and sisters ,just makes me think that if Phar Lap wasnt as good as he was would either country fight for ownership would any one remember his name .

[smallvillegottaluvit]

Phar Lap became a citizen of Australia when he was purchased and brought over to Australia.People who have citizenship in a country not of their birth(for example England)become what that country is(for example Australian),they take on the laws and ways of that country.Phar Lap went on to train in Australian ways and not of his country of birth.Nicole Kidman was born in another country but she doesnt call herself anything other than Australian ,her country of birth dont try to have ownership.

[pooperclip]

best horse in australia is ................ none of these they are both KIWIS; sunline is from south auckland and phar lap was born in timaru, aussie horses can't even compare with kiwi's!

[Bassow2008]

thanks for your comment!

[Dingerz]

Thanks, I didn't know about her! Though I think Phar Lap was better. But her record is damn close and she raced a lot which is so rare.

Once Phar Lap started to roll, he rarely lost and if he did, it was always a second or third place finish. You can almost discount his unplaces at the very beginning of his career because of harsh training.

[Bassow2008]

A very good comment!

thank you very much.

Phar Lap was the greatest for me, too!

[gloamingwonderhorse]

I won't come down one way or another on that debate. But another question could well be -- are either Phar Lap or Sunline even the best KIWI bred racehorse of all time? Both would be shortlisted to Top Five, but it's an interesting argument. Where does Carbine rate? How about Rising Fast? Kindergarten? Desert Gold? Tulloch? Balmerino? Might and Power? All good ones. (BTW Gloaming was bred in Oz.)

[Bassow2008]

thanks for your comment!