Get ready for THIS Obama!

[GeorgiaKev]

Get ready for WHAT? To watch Taitz get fined and have her frivolous suit dismissed? LOL!!!! I can't believe you haven't taken this video down, you obviously must love feeling embarrassed!

[boomerkid1955]

Brought to you by the woman who has misinterpreted more rules and court opinions than any other lawyer in history. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

[LITEBRITE65]

wow how did things go? oh she was fined and dismissed

[AndrewMacedonia]

shes a lady who hasent been laid so shes bitter ! like a lemon :)

[Hallucigeniacouk]

i think orly taitz is just bitter cos she looks like an ugly cunt and no-one anywhere takes her seriously cos she sounds like a kid on helium

[smmou812]

So its been 3 months since Oily Taintz said she could have Obama out of office in 30 days, hows that going?

[Gwyka]

No, that's not what I'm saying. Courts are bound by law, and the law says that courts don't determine if a presidency is unconsitutional and therefore null and void.

[DarthCadeous501]

Angil, prove he isn't a citizen.

[angilcorey]

That is what we are trying to do.

[DarthCadeous501]

And you have yet to do that. Oh well, you'll never be able to prove anything.

[ChicagoJoe57]

Why hasn't there been: 1) a list of babies born in HI for the year 1961 by doctors, hospitals, names of parents, and clinics? 2) a list of all people entering and exiting HI by visa and passports for the year 1961?

I make no apologizes - the investigation by the birthers was lazy and poorly handled from the start. It ended up with a lot of accusations and not enough investigation. I have no law degree, but I could have investigated this case much better.

[beginization]

There is no records of OBAMA because their all sealed, only records are from indonesia when he was adopted under name of Barry Soetoro but there is no records of him ever changing his name so the form he filled out to apply for PRES he lied when it ask if he had ever been known under another name, maybe he did not lie because it is still his real name, he name himself after his father when he decided to become black, it was in his book so if you know where he changed name please tell us all?

[beginization]

they all had their records open to the public and Obama has hidden his, why?

McCain did have to prove his was natural born, where were you as there was protest led by the democrats, how do you know they were all white unless you had access to their records as they may have ancestors from all round the world, obama slipped thru because he was black and no one want to be called a racist.

[DarthCadeous501]

I don't see why Obama has to show his citizenship. Why didn't this movement happen when Bush was elected? Or Reagan? Or even Clinton? Hell, where was all this when McCain had his own birth issues? Course all those guys were white.

[angilcorey]

OH COME ON! His damned color has absolutely nothing to do with any of it - other than those who voted FOR him because of his color! The man is NOT a natural born citizen, which the CONSTITUTION, that little piece of paper that gives you the right to post on this site via the right to free speech, states that HE MUST BE! If it were ever, I mean EVER in question that any of the WHITE guys were natural citizens we would be doing the EXACT same thing.

[Gushe002]

Thats where youre wrong, moron. He IS a natural born citizen of this country. He was born in Hawaii, and the last time I checked Hawaii was a state back in 1961.

John McCain was born in Panama, but you (nor any of your other crazy birther friends) are questioning his citizenship.

[angilcorey]

McCain is not president - and he had to PROVE he was born to two American Citizens on a military base during the campaign. Obama has used scholarships for foriegers, has traved to Indonesia when it was illegal for American Citizens to do, and has a grandmother in Kenya who states she was with his mother in KENYA when he was born. Hmmmmmmm

[Gwyka]

Are you relying on that McRae interview when stating that his granmother says she was with his mother in Kenya when he was born?

The granmother said no such thing in that interview.

[cherokeejoshua]

It has never been illegal for US citizens to travel to Indonesia. There was a birther rumor going around that he traveled to Pakistan when it was illegal to do so, but that was debunked. You're not even geting your false rumors right!

And the grandmother did not say he was born in Kenya. This is another one disproved months ago. The interviewer (a birther) was trying desperately to get her to say it and when he tried to put the words into her mouth, he failed and was immediately corrected.

[Lyric695]

Borderraven and whitemandownsouth: Why do you continue to petition the courts? They will never become involved in this. Even your feeble minds should have comprehended this by now. Why do you not petition the body of governmentthat could do something about your complaints?. I have asked this of several members of your kind however all of you have refused to answer this question.

[borderraven]

Judy-v-Obama

[devilock68]

Get ready for this birthers. Not surprisingly, Judge Carter dismissed Orly Taitz's lawsuit yesterday October 29. Carter also commented that the Court had received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before his Court to perjure themselves. So not only is Orly nuts, she was also trying to break the law. The birthers lose again.

[angilcorey]

Devilock - so what you are saying, in short - is you do not care about the constitution - you are simply a brain washed ass of Obama - and your pledge to HIM and not this nation?

[loonmaniac]

Like you know shit about the Constitution, you piss drinker.

[angilcorey]

Excuse me? Can I ask how old you are and whether your mommy knows you are online?

[devilock68]

What are you talking about? The Constitution has not been violated by the election of Obama. Reread mine and Lyric695's posts and you just may learn why you should accept that fact.

[Gwyka]

I care about the constitution - which clearly states that congress removes a president, not the judiciary.

[sc0pl355]

constitution says that the house of representatives has the sole power to unseat a president. The judiciary is the WRONG FORUM for your childish mewing.

[Gwyka]

Lots of childish mewing about the constitution from people who are just repeating tea bagger/birther mantras and don't understand what they are saying.

My favorite: "Down with Obamacare, and don't touch my medicare!"

[sc0pl355]

lol

"Tell the government to keep its hands off my MEDICARE!"

[angilcorey]

The Constitution states very clearly that in order to be eligible for the seat of President one must be 35 years of age and a natural born citizen. The Supreme Court has the ability and obligation to declare Obama's Presidency Unconstitutional and therefore null and void.

[Gwyka]

The doctrine of non-justiciability of a political question means that no, the Supreme Court (or any judiciary) does not have the ability or obligation to declare Obama's presidency unconstituional and therefore null null and void.

[angilcorey]

So what you are saying is that Constitutional requirements are not bound by law? I don't know Gwyka - that seems a bit of a travesty to me.

[Gushe002]

God you conservatives are so damn stupid...in the video description, Angil says "Prove your are American once and for all!"

First of all, Angil, please learn proper sentence structure, it should read "Prove YOU ARE an American once and for all". or " Prove YOU'RE an American once and for all".

Secondly, the lawsuit filed by Orly was thrown out of court. Face it, Obama is a US citizen, and he is the legitimate leader of this country.

What am I gonna do with you republican fools?

[angilcorey]

Ever hear of a TYPE-O Gushe? And yes, it was thrown out - Obama's buddies are full of threats like Dead Fish Emanuel and carry plenty of money like Soros in order to ensure that this case never gets heard.

I wonder, Gushe, are you capable of intellectual debate or only childish name calling and obvious prejudice based on ignorance and hate?

[Gushe002]

First of all, what you did was not a typeo. It showed that you dont have the sentence composition skills of a 5th grader. Secondly, my remarks are prejudice based on ignorance and hate...you're joking, right??? I'm not the one supporting a wacko-right wing position. Even senior members of the republican party think this birther movement is doing nothing more than proving just how ignorant some of their members are.

[angilcorey]

You are so right Gushe - maintaining an A in English Comp currently is simply because the far left liberal teacher must have pity for my retardation.

I guess the LEGAL requirements for the office of President are simply a guideline and not meant to be followed. So much for that filthy little piece of paper that is our government's charter - the Constitution.

[Gushe002]

You're just now taking English comp??? Going to school kinda late arent you...I gues that job at Wal-mart isn't paying enough.

Good luck getting through English Comp...I took that class like 10 years ago. LOL.

[angilcorey]

Ok, you uneducated hate mongering obamazombi - I own and operate my second business, have owned two homes, have 4 children, sit on the Board of Directors for the Greater Dayton Right to Life, and am RETURNING to college to obtain a political science degree. Never have worked at Wal-Mart darling!

[Gushe002]

You calling me uneducated...haha, thats funny. Unlike you, I've ALREADY completed college. I have 2 REAL degrees from a very prestigious university in Virginia (BS in Electrical Engineering and BS in Computer Engineering). Oh and I may not have my own business, but I bet I make more money than you.

Good luck running your business into the ground and raising your 4 children to be misfits. Judging by the amount of time you spend responding to comments on youtube, you're well on your way.

[angilcorey]

What the HELL is wrong with you? You are a very sick and twisted human being who really is not mature or intelligent enough to debate or hold conversations - only heckle and troll. How sad and pitiful it must be to be you.

[MotorCityPlayer]

@Gushe002 Who gives a rats ass who makes more money...the dollar is worthless. Pretty soon you'll be standing in the same breadline as the rest of the nation...will your "money god" save you then? can you eat that money? can you drink it?....IDTS

[undead567]

Despite all that! you are still ignorant! You can take a money out of the jungle but its still a monkey!

[loonmaniac]

Like you know anything about the Constitution, you fucking retarded idiot.

[Gushe002]

The judge that threw this case out (with extreme prejudice after giving Orly Taitz a hefty fine to the tune of $20k) was not on Rahm Emanuel or George Soros payroll. Just give it up already. Obama is a United States citizen, end of story.

[borderraven]

"(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; "

--- Look very close to that sentence, the structure and punctuation. Notice the comma and the conjunction "and"? The comma breaks the sentence into 2 parts, but the "and" requires both parts to be effected. An alien is not subject to jurisdiction of USA, but under treaty to obey local laws, we allow them in the USA. It is when they break US laws, that they are subject to jurisdiction.

[Lyric695]

borderraven; Anyone in the US is subject to the jurisdiction of the US regardless if a treaty between the US and their country of origin exist. A person from another country may be sued in an US civil court no crime has to take place for the court to have jurisdiction over them. "

The court presently hold that according to Title 8 that anyone having conditions of birth such as Obama has described is an Natural Born Citizen and eligible to run for President or Vice President.

[borderraven]

Lyric695, If you were a tourist in Japan, and got arrested for driving on the wrong side of the road, which Embassy would you call ?

If a Japanese tourist was in the USA, and got arrested for driving on the wrong side of the road, which Embassy would they call ?

Now do you get "subject to the jurisdiction theref"?

[Lyric695]

borderraven: Also, even if the Japanese embassy was notified of the arrest of a citizen of Japan. Said notification does not nullify the Jurisdiction of the US over tourist or the subject matter. The Japanese tourist would still be tried in a US court and held by a US jail by virtue of the Jurisdiction that the US has over the tourist and the subject matter. Now do you get "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"?

[borderraven]

Lyric695, Yes but the alien does not stop being a citizen or patriot of their homeland, therefore their child, even if born on USA soil, to USA spouse, is 50/50 citizen of both nations.

[Lyric695]

borderraven; Even if an issue has duel citizenship, 1401 dictates that if the child was born in the US they are still natural born citizens of the US regardless of any other citizenship they may possess.

[borderraven]

Lyric695, Read 1401 ten more times, but read slowly. The intent of NBC is not expressed in 1401. You must be dyslexic or need glasses, or need to clean your glasses, but keep trying to find NBC in 1401, b/c it ain't in there.

So, considering Mexicans are "Americans" too, you would not mind if a dual citizen USA/Mexican ran for and won the POTUS?"

[tgear77]

It would not matter which embassy the Japanese tourist called because he would still be guilty of breaking the law here in the United States. A few foreign citizens working in this country on behalf of their own countries are granted diplomatic immunity and would be exempt from prosecution. But not tourists. As long as they are here in this country, they are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

[borderraven]

They are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, if they break our laws, but also subject to the jurisdiction of their own government, while they are here. For instance the USA will go globally to arrest US citizens who commit terrorism, murderer, or do child pornography.

[HeavenlyEclipse]

But only as far as other nations will allow them to. If a country does not have an extradition treaty with the US, we can not arrest an American citizen there for crimes committed there. We cannot arrest an American citizen anywhere without the co-operation of that nation's government. An American wanted for murder here in the US is not arrested in England by US police, but by the British. And none of this relates to Obama and his eligibility.

[tgear77]

The above post was from me, tgear77. I was accidentally logged onto my son's account. Please reply to me if you must.

[borderraven]

HeavenlyEclipse, how can you say this is not related to Obama's eligibility? You have conveniently ignored the reason the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution were created. By allowing Obama, born a dual-national, to continue as POTUS, effectively voids the Declaration and surrenders the USA to the British, after 232 years, 6 months, 17 days of US sovereignty. No more 4th of July.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Ughh....you're still rattling on about his supposed British citizenship...the guy NEVER lived in the UK, served in the British Army, or voted in a UK election.

Furthermore, Kenya hasn't been apart of the UK since 1963. Get your clocks fixed, buddy.

[borderraven]

He cannot be a natural born citizen if he was born a dual national. Nothing can change the facts.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

And please show me the passage in the Constitution where "natural born citizen" is defined.

[borderraven]

Simply "natural born citizen" is defined by a process of elimination of what is defined. Naturalized is thru law. Native born by soil. Dual citizenship by law of parents of different nationalities. Therefore "natural born citizen" is by two parents of US nationality (14th Amendment), on USA soil.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Sorry that's NOT what the 14th says. It says NOTHING about the citizenship of the parents.

FAIL!

[Lyric695]

borderaven: Natural born citizenship is not defined by process of elimination. It is defined by Title 8 sec 1401 of the US codes which states "Anyone born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof'. Your made up laws and theories do not have the authority of law behind them. If you wish your views to have authority, become a lawmaker or a Judge. If you are not prepared to do this then just shut up.

[borderraven]

Lyric695, a person born in the USA is by location subject to "territorial" jurisdiction, and by laws subject to "personal" jurisdiction, and a determination of citizenship is not as cut-and-dry simple as you assume. The known facts are a US citizen parent and a Kenyan-born British Subject. If you say birth was in Hawaii, then he is a dual-national. If birth was in Kenya, his mother was under 19yo, so he is 100% British.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Border, you're certainly welcome to interpret the Constitution any way you want, up to and including quoting imaginary passages from it and from it crafting bizarre theories and citing non-existant laws.

But, to date, not a single law enforcement agency, state or federal judge, or judiciary has challenged Obama's Constitutional eligibility.

If you honestly believe it's because they're all "in on it", then your problems are far greater than Obama is attempting to solve whilst President.

[borderraven]

DoubleTalkingJive, I don't subscribe to conspiracy theory, I seek the facts that prove a conspiracy. As far as Obama, Pelosi and Reid are concerned, it was either a fraud, conspiracy, or negligence which allowed Obama to be POTUS. We shouldn't overlook voter complacency. But, cases are in the courts, and I'm seeing a quo warranto has landed in the DC District Court. Obama has the 25th Amendment, to exit the Oval Office with honor or fall in disgrace and embarrassment.

[tgear77]

Border, you are simply clueless. Obama wrote his book in 1996 where he clearly explained that his father was Kenyan. From the moment he announced his intention to run for President, each of his opponents has known that his father was not a US citizen. Do you truly believe that each opponent, the RNC, all of the media, et al, just blindly ignored that fact if, as you say, it disqualifies Obama from being President? Explain this to me.

[Lyric695]

borderraven: Therein lies the rub. You have no proof that Obama was not born in Hawaii. On the other hand you have Obama and the state of Hawaii stating that he was. The US courts are deferring to US documents over proported documents of other nations. You on the other hand trust in other nations instead of the US. As such, you will always lose ih this country.

[borderraven]

Lyric695, I remain open-minded on birth location. But with parentage being a constant and location the variable. Birth in USA makes BHO a native born citizen, but a dual national. Birth in Kenya, makes BHO British. There is zero probability he is NBC. I suggest you prepare to accept his honorable resignation or dishonorable removal. You seem short-sighted, but I am looking way down range on this, and the implications of a cont'd BHO as POTUS, will have severe repercussions on COTUS.

[Lyric695]

Borderraven: The courts disagree with you. The courts hold that if you are born in this country you are a natural bc regardless of the birth place of your parents.

[Lyric695]

borderraven; Also, duel citizenship is not a bar to being an Nbc of the USA. There is just no known law that backs up your claims. Obama will serve two terms in office and then become an elder statesman. You will debate this issue in your own mind for the rest of your life, however, you do not now nor will you ever have a legal leg to stand on.

[borderraven]

Lyric695, your sentence "Also, duel citizenship is not a bar to being an Nbc of the USA" lacks logic. Can you provide a law that says dual-citizen is not a bar to being NBC? I didn't think so. How can you say dual-citizens can be Supreme Leader? Look into the forming of the COTUS. You seem to be trying to rationalize BHOII, being a POTUS, regardless of common sense or law. Your devotion to him is overriding your ability to think clearly. Back to school for you.

[tgear77]

Your argument is moronic. First, there is no legal definition in the US for "Natural Born Citizen" so one can not prove what being a NBC requires. Second, for you to prove your point, you need to provide a law that does bar a dual citizen from being President. You are so intent on proving Obama to be ineligible, that you ignore the workings of the law. At least try to make an informed point.

[Lyric695]

borderaven: i have already supplied the law to back up my statements. If you have failed to grasp it I will supply it again. Title 8 sec 1401 of the US codes. Title 8 does not bar a duel citizen from being natural born in this country. If you wish to prove your point, you must supply a current law that does bar duel citizens from being natural born. All my statements are backed by the laws of this Nation. You have yet to supply one law that backs up yours. It is you who need to go back to school

[Lyric695]

borderraven: Just so you are not confused, I will again remind you that the phrase citizens of the US at birth means natural born citizen as defined in Title 8. Title 8 does not bar a person with duel citizenship from being citizens of the US at birth. Since this is the lexicon that the legislature uses, I suggest you use this term when you go back to school to attempt to find a US law that bars duel citizens from being citizens of the US at birth.

[borderraven]

Lyric695 you are an idiot!

Enjoy this

Judy-v-Obama

[Lyric695]

whitemandownsouth; I you can say judy v obama until you are blue in the face but the fact is, all branches of government operate under the theory that the other branches are acting in good faith, hence, the judicial branch will never interfere with the business of congress. Yet, you continue to talk about court cases. I submit that your action of continuing to think that the court will become involved in this is the act of insanity. Carry on. You are very amusing.

[borderraven]

Lyric695 wrote"all branches of government operate under the theory that the other branches are acting in good faith" The 3 branches of government provide checks and balances. They do not trust each other blindly.

[Lyric695]

borderavenOperating under the theory that all branches of government act in good faith is how this country has operated since its conception This is not blind faith Unless and until a branch of government has proved to another that they are not operating in good faith, the nation will continue to operate under this theory. No one in our administration is complainiing that you continue to petition the courts in vain.On the contrary, it is out sincere hope that you cohtinue to do as you are doing.

[beginization]

then why have the courts bent government policy to there decision, take the C.I.A.memoS, OBAMA released them citing court action by the media or the court decision to give rights to terrorist??

He has had his campain manager Holder to prevent any court action but he will come undone and truth expose in time that is why obamas hell bent of changing your country and sending it broke with acorn standing over you as his cilvilian army you may not be able to stop it before it is too late..

[Lyric695]

Borderraven the last post referring to the operational theories of the 3 branches of government is directed to you and to white mandown south.

[tgear77]

Again, Obama never hid his father's citizenship. It was common knowledge. If it made him ineligible to be President, it would have been brought up before he even gained the nomination. Do you honestly believe that Hilary Clinton would have allowed him to win the nomination especially when the polls showed her having a better chance to beat McCain? Do you think McCain would not have used this as an "Oct. Surprise" to win the election? They didn't because it does not disqualify Obama from winning.

[tgear77]

The 14th Amendment grants Natural US citizenship to anyone born in the US by jus soli (the right of birthplace). Jus Sanguis (the Right of Blood) is only used if a child is born to two US citizens outside the US and its Territories. As long as you are born in the US, according to the 14th Amend., you are a Natural US citizen. There is no process of elimination needed, just a basic understanding of the law.

[tgear77]

There is nothing in US law about a dual citizen being disqualified from being President.

[whitemanwaydownsouth]

so you are an expert on US law? I think not, you are a tool who presents his opinion as fact. you know very little, but act like you know everything. you are blinded by obamas star power . but you will see soon enough , that Obama does not have Americas best interest at hea rt. Many experts say that his policies are destructive, and will cost much more than what is being told. He is a puppet for socialists like pelosi and reid, and you are one of their sheep.

[Lyric695]

whitemanwaydownsouth: I do not claim to be an expert on law, however, I graduated from law school over 14 years ago and have been practicing law for over 12 years. In any event, it does not take a legal scholar to read the definition of citizens of the United States at birth. Title 8 of the US codes is written in plain language that anyone who wishes to know the controlling definition can readily understand if they want to and will accept the fact that the courts are bound by this definition.

[Lyric695]

Whitemandownsouth: Obama or his star power has nothing to do with it. Title 8 was written before Obama became President and was not written in contemplation of his Presidency. It was written to fill in the gap that the constitution left out so that the courts would have a guideline in determining who was a natural born citizen and who was not.

[Lyric695]

whitemanwaydownsouth; I am not a fortune teller. I can not tell you what Obama will do or not do. However, Title 8 does not take Obama's policies into consideration, it is simply what it is titled... a definition of citizens of the US at birth. It is nothing more, however, it is certainly nothing less.

[tgear77]

I am no expert, whiteman, but I obviously know more than you. Everything I have posted above about US law is factual. If you disagree with Obama and his policies, that is your right. But he is still legally the President of the US.

[tgear77]

As I said above, the Heavenly Eclipse post was mine. Obama is not violating the Constitution (the Declaration has nothing to do with Presidential Eligibility) because, by being born in the US, he is Constitutionally eligible and despite his father being Kenyan, Obama holds no alleigence to a foreign power. He was never under the jurisdiction of Kenya, has never voted there, lived there, bought property there,etc all of the things that define citizenship under the law. He is the PResident.

[milkgodnl]

Now that I know that Moldavia is more than just a comedy premise on the Tonight Show .. What is someone, who is not a natural born citizen, doing filing such a frivolous lawsuit. This shakes my confidence in any bar association if the likes of her can pass its examination and by so far afield of reality.

[anotherparadox]

Yea. Like they're ever going to get discovery. What a bunch of losers. And Orly's voice. Jeez! I'm willing to bet it drives the judges in those court rooms almost insane.

[Captain42x]

Haha its been 30 days - YEP THATS A FAIL!

[borderraven]

It is 98 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes and 48 seconds until Tuesday, January 26, 2010 at 8:30:00 AM (Los Angeles time) Jury Trial in the case of

KEYES|BARNETT v OBAMA

[Captain42x]

Err, I hope you are aware that the judge already threw out this case and fined little ms. sqeaky-voice $20000 for filing a frivolous and politically motivated lawsuit.

[borderraven]

KEYES|BARNETT v OBAMA is still on the docket

[Lyric695]

Borderraven; Your problem of which there are many is that you have not yet realized that the courts are not the proper place for your complaint. All branches of government operate under the theory that all three branches are acting in good faith, hence, the judicial branch will never interfere in this matter. They have signaled this over and over again, yet you continue to bring this issue to a court of law. Why you do this is only known to you, however, it is the definition of insanity.

[borderraven]

Lyric695, why I do this is because I know personally of a very quiet minority in the USA, who are staying out of this debate.

Mexicans are "Americans" too, you would not mind if a dual citizen USA/Mexican ran for and won the POTUS?"

Consider, Enrique Morones, of San Diego, is an Open Borders proponent, very popular a dual MEXICAN/usa citizen. (Note I put Mexican out of proportion to USA, that's because I know the man's loyalty is Mexico First, VIVA LA RAZA! (THE RACE). )

[Lyric695]

Borderraven; You can read the words Citizens of the United States at birth as fast or as slowly as you want, however, citizens of the United States at birth are by definition Natural Born Citizens. I believe in the rule of law and if a person meets the requirements of 1401 as citizens of the United States at birth weather they be Mexican Children or the children of Osama Bin Ladin, they are citizens of the US at birth and eligible to run for President or Vice President.

[Lyric695]

Borderraven; The courts agree that the legislative intent of 1401 was to fill in the gaps left by the constitution which does not define NBC. The fact that the legislature uses the term Citizens of the United States at Birth rather then natural born citizen does not negate the intent nor the courts interpretation of the intent. If the courts interpreted 1401 as you wished they would do, you would not be considered a natural born citizen either regardless of the birth place of your parents or you

[Captain42x]

Well, you're free to persist in delusions, but it's not.

[infoblitzkrieg]

It's a shame Orley's such a cartoon-ish figure with her propensity to be overly excitable and passionate; she could really get things done, I think.

Besides that--I find her pretty hot.

[devilock68]

Get ready for this birthers. Birther attorney Orly Taitz, fined $20,000 today October 13 for willfully abusing her right to practice law. Justice has been served and the birthers have lost. Thank you U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land.

[borderraven]

Get ready to pay your taxes because we are still proceeding.

[devilock68]

Proceeding with what? Birthers have no case. Judge Clay Land, who happens to have been appointed by George Bush in 2001, is just the first of many sane judges who will throw this ridiculous case out of their courtrooms.

[borderraven]

devilock68, So, are you saying the US Constitution is ridiculous?

[devilock68]

No, I'm saying that you and the rest of the birthers are ridiculous.

[borderraven]

devilock68, So you label birthers as "ridiculous" for defending the US Constitution?

[devilock68]

Birthers aren't defending the U.S. Constitution. They are trapped in an imaginary world where they believe a massive conspiracy has enabled a foreign-born man to become President.

[borderraven]

devilock68, if you would examine the evidence on both sides of the issue , and weigh the evidence on a balanced scale, the guilt of the DNC, Pelosi, Obama, and others would be apparent. But, you are free to hide behind ignorance, if you wish, but when the truth comes out, don't hide your shock. Google "kenyan-born obama" and "obama birth certificate"

[devilock68]

I've seen the evidence on both sides, including the fake Kenyan birth certificates that Orly tried to pass as legitimate. When the leader of the birther movement has been revealed as a fraud, it's pretty easy to conclude who is telling the truth. Don't hide your shock when Obama is still President in 2012. It's going to happen.

[borderraven]

Have seen the "footprint" BC?

[borderraven]

Ignore the Kenyan birth certificates and only consider the Hawaii document.

Given Facts:

1. Stanley Ann Dunham a US citizen, mother of Obama.

2. BHO Sr, a British citizen, father of Obama.

3. Obama was born in hospital in Hawaii.

Is Obama a USA citizen? Explain how.

Is Obama a USA Natural Born Citizen? Explain how?

Explain difference between USA citizen and USA Natural Born Citizen:

[devilock68]

The term natural born citizen was never defined in the Constitution. But I know the birthers have resorted to some nonsensical argument about the meaning of the term. The bottom line is that Obama was born in Hawaii which is under the jurisdiction of the U.S. government and had a foreign parent like six Presidents before him. He is therefore the legitimate President of the United States. You can waste your time with theories that defy logic but sooner or later you will have to accept reality.

[borderraven]

The six Presidents, you mention did have foreign born parents, but those parents were naturalized USA citizens on the birthday of the child. An exception, never known at the time, one Vice President did succeed to President, on assassination, but this has no effect on Obama, since jurisprudence says "two wrongs do not make a right". I urge you to stop the rationalization of trying to justify an Obama presidency and prepare for his resignation. He was born on USA soil to an alien parent. FIN!

[devilock68]

Wrong again borderraven. Chester Arthur's Irish father did not become a naturalized citizen until 14 years after Chester Arthurs birth. I urge you to stop lying and get ready for at least 3 more years of an Obama presidency. FIN!

[Lyric695]

borderraven: To answer your queston.. US courts rely on Title 8 sec 1401 of the US codes to define natural born citizenship. Tittle 8 has several ways that one could be defined as natural born however, the first definition is 'Anyone born in the United States. Hence, it does not matter where his parent are from. Title 8 goes on to specifically state that anyone falling into these catagories is eligible to run for president or vice president.

[borderraven]

Lyric695, Where in Title 8 is the phrase "natural born"? I cannot find the word "natural" followed by a space". "Naturalized" is not to be confused with "natural born". Learn to improve reading comprehension.

[Lyric695]

Borderraven: You are obviously confused. The title of 1401 is "Nationals and citizens of the United States at Birth". For your edification, the courts hold that a person who is a citizen of the United States at birth is a natural born citizen. Perhaps you should follow your own advice as to improving your reading comprehension.

[borderraven]

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) ... Marie

USA citizen parents (plural)...

Elizabeth Elg, who was born in the United States of Swedish parents naturalized in the United States, had not lost her birthright U.S. citizenship because of her removal during minority to Sweden...SCOTUS declared Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States."

[Lyric695]

Borderraven; I realize that you are a layman, however, you have not shepardized the case that you have cited. For your edification, Title 8 was passed after 1939 rendering the case that you have cited as null and void. Title 8 is now the law of the land. You are citing an old case that has been rendered useless by the passage of Title 8.

[Lyric695]

borderraven ; The clause subject to the jurisdiction thereof chiefly deals with the children of foreign diplomats who like there parents would not be subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

[borderraven]

Lyric695, the mention of foreign diplomats, is an example. All persons in another nation, with or without permission, are aliens. By being humans, all humans are subject to "Declaration on the Human Rights of Individuals Who are not Nationals of the Country in which They Live (13 Dec 1985)"

[Lyric695]

Borderraven; Again, you have failed to take into consideration the dictates of 1401 which if in conflict with any other dictate controls. Your argument while meant well has no legal authority. 1401 is the controlling legislation. All courts recognize this to be so regardless of your desire that they did not.

[Lyric695]

Borderraven; Aliens are subject to US jurisdiction while in this country unless they are foreign diplomats or the children of foreign diplomats. They are the only aliens who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US judiciary.

[anotherparadox]

I don't believe devilock68 is saying anything against the Constitution. He's saying that the birther movement is ridiculous. And it is because it is based on made up claims. You say it and believe it is true even though it is made up or you twist the truth and distort the facts so that they're in your favor. You're not doing any of us any favors. The majority voted Obama as President and that's where he's going to stay.

[borderraven]

What was the nationality of Barack Hussein Obama Sr, when Barack Hussein Obama II was born? What does Natural Born Citizen mean?

[Gwyka]

Ok, it's October 12.  It's been 30 days. What's up?

[borderraven]

Gwyka, what's up? Where' the birth certificate? How come every president before Obama was born to 2 USA citizen parents, establishing the precedent of NBC, but Obama, born of a USA mother and British father, can break the precedent, by posting an affidavit online? What amazes me is the extremist level of devotion to a character we know so little about, while attempt to challenge him is deflected as racism. Long after he is gone the damage to the USA will be you problem, not mine.

[devilock68]

WRONG borderraven. Obama is actually the seventh President with foreign born parents. Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

[borderraven]

Being born to foreign born parents is ok for NBC, as long as they are naturalized before the birth.

[Gwyka]

I'm just wondering - she says "30 days" - it's past 30 days - what's going on with the case and motion she's waving around in this video?

Please don't deflect with an an anti-Obama discourse.

[borderraven]

Gwyka, Judge Carter, has defendants motion to dismiss and plaintiffs motions to read over, before considering the next action. I keep checking to see if anything is posted. Any day now he could dismiss or continue the case. Either side will appeal.

[EyeLean5280]

It was dismissed and she was fined 20K for the multiple filing of frivolous law suits.

[MystiK570]

Na na na HEY HEY HEY GOODBYE!!!!

[angilcorey]

In the end, the courts will make the decision. Fact is that the birth certificate given at birth is very different than the copy you get at the Department of Vital Statistics. Obama attended college with a scholarship stating he was a citizen of Indonesia. Obama went to an Indonesian school at a time when only natural boon indonesian muslim children could attend. Obama's OWN grandmother states that she was present at his birth in KENYA.

[SupremekaiD5]

thats where you are wrong obamas grandmother never said she was there when obama was born she clearly stated obama was born in the usa but they edit that part out

[sikandaraftab]

hahahaha woohoo great news yeah!!

[angilcorey]

Clarity - do you not care about the constitution? I mean, serously - what does it mean to you? Is it a pluck and pick the text from it that you want or do you honor the entire document? This woman is trying to represent the people who believe the entire document matters. The president of this nation MUST be a natural born citizen. If you think your guy fulfills that abligation, why would you NOT be behind what she is doing so she can help prove you right? Fear tha tyou are wrong?

[IAmTheScum13]

Can you give me a good reason why I shouldn't believe that the authenticated certificate of live birth that belongs to Obama, and states that he was born in Hawaii, does not prove he was born in Hawaii?

You can argue circumstance all you want, but if you can't get past the concrete evidence, you lose.

[angilcorey]

Because it is NOT the required certificate. I am the mother of 4 adopted children. Their current birth certificate is NOT the same as their certificate of life birth, the one with the doctors name, their birth names and their biological parents names. Whereas NOW their current certificate is the dominate one, that does not mean that the original was not true and real. This man has yet to provide and ORIGINAL birth certificate. There is a difference.

[IAmTheScum13]

There is no "required certificate" for the office of president. All that is required is that the candidate be a natural-born citizen of the US. Obama's certificate of live birth proves just that, as I have previously stated.

Can you refute this?

[angilcorey]

Nowhere does it tell the time of birth, weight, height or race of child. This in itself shows that it is not the certificate of life birth - which is filled out seconds after a live birth.

[IAmTheScum13]

It's been authenticated by multiple non-partisan officials. If the discrepancies you've cited really did indicate a forgery, don't you think they would have noticed something so simple?

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Honey, all my birth certificate states is the following:

1) Name

2) Date and Time of Birth

3) County of Birth

THAT'S IT. No hospital, no parents' names or races, nothing.

It's the only birth certificate I got, and it's the only one the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will give me.

Gonna say I'm not natural born either?

[Gwyka]

What about me?  Am I legal? I just looked at my "State of Wisconsin Certification of Birth" and although it does state my mom and dad's names, it doesn't state my race or the hospital I was born in.

[sc0pl355]

My BC from Maryland says the same thing. The birthers don't know anything about birth certificates. I can't go up to vital records and get my longform. it just doesn't work that way.

[angilcorey]

WE must stay vigilant. That means keeping their feet to the coals.

[btester1]

Two people commented and views haven't changed.

[clarity023]

angilcorey

Is Orly ready for the 2 massive smackdowns she just got? Does she have enough donated money to cover all those defense costs and the $10k penalty she has to pay?

hahahaha

[DigitalAquarius]

Yay another birther clusterfuck!

Everyone point and laugh.

LOL

[DD826]

But, wasn't "early discovery" also granted in the Berg case? And the White House just ignored, while they ------ off the judge in the case.

[DD826]

Vote out all incumbents. Get rid of the libs for their tyranny and the incumbent Republicans for letting them.

[DD826]

JUST MORE FUEL FOR THE FIRE!

What does Pelosi know about Obama's eligibility?

Online images for certification of nomination raise questions

Posted: September 11, 2009

A commentator at Canada Free Press says he has obtained copies of two documents apparently prepared by Democrats to certify Barack Obama as their nominee for president in 2008 that suggest House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew there was an unresolved issue with his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution."

[btester1]

whoooah.. great news!!!

get rid of that bum.