How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Degeneration

[FriendOregon]

Too think we put this stuff in our teeth.

[transtlantic]

i can only be sorry that you will simply deny the papers and the concept again and again...

i don't want to sound rude aspiemom... but do you have any chemistry or biology education?

[aspieresearchmom]

w w w . news-medical. net/?id=2348

"Postnatal exposure to a mercury preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines can lead to the development of autism-like damage"

[transtlantic]

this is a big advice i am going to give you:

Never give indirect links to support your arguments. Always give the direct source of information. news websites are not scientific evidence of nothing.

so let's clarefy: "animal model", not human tested, and evidence already presented shows how big is that difference (apart from the fact that the rats used are of a specific genotype); "showing that a genetic predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental triggers."

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic You are not following your own advice. You are watching and spamming Youtubes. Why aren't you only watching this on the University of Calgary website?

[transtlantic]

i told already that the U calgary does research in vaccines to.

and guess what they used and use in same vaccines tests? yeah, that's right: thiomersal. just read their methods and trials.

this video HAS 0,000000 to 0000 to do with vaccines

[transtlantic]

And if you want sources of anything I have said...

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[transtlantic]

you can also put your idea to the US special court.

Like what happened in 12 february 2009. where NO link between vaccines and autism exists!

you are making a poor case... as i keep answering the same questions and you nevertheless keep making them...

want help to read? ask a highschool student to help you. and ask him toxicity concept while you are at it

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Why are you using a flimsy court case under the Bush Administration? Everyone knows that was political , not science.

[transtlantic]

ad hominem...

read the court rule and please explain which scientific papers were wrong

apart from that you make wrong assumptions and are prone to logical mistakes of argumentation

also going to the "dark side"/conspiracy lunacy...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic you are the one constantly subjecting me with ad hominem attacks

[transtlantic]

PMID: 15446391;12880876; 12949291; 14519711; 16919130; 18791815; 15858952; 14754936; 11222420; 11850369; 15342825; 15342856; 19128068; 17168158; 19015994; 18172138; 18482737; 18180424; 18180423; 11331700; 16818529; 15342824; 17898097

reffute this then

[aspieresearchmom]

h t t p : / /big. assets. huffingtonpost. com/BANKS_CASE.pdf

"... parents of yet another child with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) were awarded a lump sum of more than $810,000 (plus an estimated $30-40,000 per year for autism services and care) in compensation by the Court, which ruled that the measels-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine had caused acute brain damage that led to his autism spectrum disorder...."

[transtlantic]

1) Banks did not have autism -in the court rule

2) the court conceded the case. not listening to all the panel of experts.

3) huffnonsense has bias, being written by people with 0 knowledge about science.

get proper info aspie

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic The PDD is described in the Lassiter case:

w w w. generationrescue. org/cases/lassiter-vs-us-feder­al-court-summary.htm

'...Pervasive Development Disorder is a term preferred rather than autism.

[aspieresearchmom]

The term "pervasive developmental disorder (PDD) is preferred to 'autism' because it stresses variability in symptoms and severity and denies that autism is a disease with a single cause." PDD is used in the Revised Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association as an umbrella term for frankly autistic children and for other children with similar but fewer, less severe symptoms. ...'

[aspieresearchmom]

Lassiter petitioner won their case as well:

w w w. generationrescue. org/cases/lassiter-vs-us-feder al-court-summary.htm

1.) The court concludes vaccines caused the brain injury and autism-like symptoms. The court concludes that a preponderance of the evidence requires a finding for petitioner.

[transtlantic]

again you prefer to post the indirect link instead of the direct link to the court rule.

want to know why?

because the court rule states clearly that autism is part of PDD but PDD does not equal to autism.

All that was discussed 12 feb of 2009 also.

And it was an OMNIBUS case!!! no link between autism and the vaccines exist. And autism-like symptoms also exist in many other disorders. Lassiter case is another example of how twisted and desperate anti-vax wackos are..

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Again , there are variables of symptoms and severity under the umbrella of PDD. You didn't know that PDD is a spectrum of autism disorders?

[transtlantic]

omg... you really can't grasp simple concepts even though they were explained already...

autism is what makes part of PDD!!! not the other way around!!!!

you posted it yourself the DSM-IV list!!!! btw why don't you go pick a DSM book and read that part! your ignorance is starting to bother me a lot, because i am making the effort in lecturing you and you still deny truth.

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic PDD is the umbrella of CLOSELY RELATED neurological disorders. It's only hard for you, not anyone else, to know this. Autism ,Asperger's Syndrome , PDD-NOS are all PDD's because they are so much the SAME in VARYING DEGREES of PERVASIVE DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDERS.

[transtlantic]

different between eachother and that's why we can diagnose a child in those different diagnoses. PPD is the general term for a set subtypes of a condition.

Autism =/= from the rest.

Even if they are closely related psychiatric disorders (not neurological - the diagnose is psychiatric), you can distinguish them.

get real, they are not the same

[aspieresearchmom]

/transtlantic wrong again , it is not PPD , it is PDD . You clearly do not understand that PDD is the umbrella term for closely related PERVASIVE DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDERS. PDD's are neurological in nature, every specialist and parent of PDD knows this. My son was correctly diagnosed by a NEUROpsychologist after 4 days of evaluations.

[transtlantic]

damn, i always mix the PPD with PDD words, its a language translation problem of writing to quick. sorry.

never said PDD has a neurological cause (everything related to psychiatrics has it ofc), but the diagnose is not neurologic, its psychiatric. The nature of it is still to be explained in its fully.

the Neuropsychologist used the Psychological criteria to diagnose autism. as there are no neurological criteria to diagnose autism.

its a bit confusing to figure this for you, i know

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Wrong again.

The National Institute of Neurological Disorders explains autism under its PDD page :

w w w. ninds. nih. gov/disorders/pdd/pdd.htm

[transtlantic]

you keep mixing all the science...

ofc Autism is a PDD disorder. But PDD-NOS, Asperger's, Rett's and CDD are not autism. ANd ALL are PDD.

do you see the difference?

Do you also notice the difference between a neurological disorder in nature and a psychological diagnose?

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic PDD's are closely related to each other BECAUSE they are neurological disorders all dealing with social interaction/communication disabilities. They called PDD's because they are much more similar to each other, they are only "different" by varying degrees of symptoms. . My son exhibits Asperger's and autism and PDD-NOS , but in order to "classify" him specifically, the degree of his PDD was evaluated as Asperger's Syndrome. Somone with more acute symptoms would be Autistic

[transtlantic]

continuing:

Medical science picked autism, Rett and all the rest and designated PDD as the term of the "bag" they relate to between disorders.

your son is not Autistic, PPD-NOS or Rett, it was diagnosed with Asperger's and therefore the treatment and designation will be different for life.

still trying to figure out where all this discussion is going to...

[transtlantic]

i am for not being an ignorant.

Realize that thiomersal is a good preservative for vaccines.

Realize that the quantities of thiomersal are harmless. You don't want thiomersal nevertheless? ok, no problem, they being doing thiomersal free vax for years now. did autism decrease? no.

get real

[transtlantic]

btw...

have you understood the difference between PDD and the rest of the sub-disorders?

saying someone has autism, means the person does not have the other PDD sub-type disorders.

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Again, PDD's are closely related pervasive developmental disorders. Autism , Asperger's and PDD-NOS are PDD's because they are so closely connected neurological disorders dealing with very similar varying degrees of social and communication disabilities.

[transtlantic]

PDD refers to a group of disorders. The nature of them are neurological, the diagnose is based upon psychiatric criteria. If it was a neurological sole criteria diagnose, you would have diagnose criteria like: "75% represent x TC alteration", "55% may present y blood alteration" , but no. its solely based upon socialization and communication - pyschological criteria

and again: PDD is the general term for a set of possible conditions. Being autism and the rest different between each others.

[transtlantic]

are you really that hard to figure simple explanations?

The reason PDD is the general term and many disorders are contained in it. Is because those disorders are different compared to each other!!!! The treatment to all are different or have particularities, the diagnose criteria is different, the genetics, the neurology, the whatever is different!!!! don't know why do you persisnt in trying to make autism The PDD... when that is illogical.

[transtlantic]

you should realize how much you are...manipulated by such opinion articles...

all the twists are explained in science-based medicine papers! you should always get your info from people who are experts in the subject! generationrescue movement is lead by a known fear mongering idiot: jenny mcCarthy. who changes her opinion as science disproves her and her fear to be called upon a justice court to stand by her claims and lose.

try search for info here: PUBMED; CDC; FDA; UpToDate, any NEMJ

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Lassiter won their case before Jenny McCarthy was opposing mercury in vaccines. Jennie Mccarthy makes a much stronger effort to find these court cases than the govt does.

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Lassiter Vs. US Federal Court

Case Document: ERIC LASSITER, AN INCOMPETENT, BY HIS MOTHER AND NEXT FRIEND, MARY LASSITER, Petitioner, v. SECRETARY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, Respondent. 90-2036V UNITED STATES COURT OF FEDERAL CLAIMS 1996 U.S. Claims LEXIS 216 December 17, 1996, Filed

w w w. generationrescue. org/cases/lassiter-vs-us-feder­al-court-case. htm

[transtlantic]

and you gave the link to generation rescue again...

well... i can only ask you to read the "autism false prophets" by Dr. Paul Offit, MD.

The Eric lassiter case does not support your case, it was mentioned in the OMNIBUS with the rest of the other 10 or so related-like cases to Lassiter and even then it failed the peer-review and proof of link between vaccines and autism.

move on desperate mother

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Ahhh, the infamous evil Offit profiteer, lol, You are a vac/pharma troll !!! (no, duh) You & a couple of others that troll the mercury-laced thimerosal sites... or perhaps you are just the same troll with different YT accounts!

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Busted ! You've been owned ! :

w w w. vaclib. org/news/2009/cbs-news. htm

"CBS News Targets Dr. Paul Offit, AAP and Every Child By Two

Here are some "sound bites" from the CBS News report on where vaccine manufacturing money goes. Hint? It's to the triumvirite that has stood in the way of parents seeking answers about vaccines and autism for well over a decade: Dr. Paul Offit (yes, Amanda Peet's Svengali) The American Academy of Peditricians and Every Child by Two."

[transtlantic]

busted aspienotresearchmother..... lol?

so a man who patents a product cannot make money with it? please tell the creator of the power rangers that he can't make any money from royalties.... or the guy who invented the wii mote...

get real, so much stupidity that it pains me to read it...

want me to post the wakefield conflicts of interest? or mercola or geiers? the fraud scam is so great in those 4 that you can't imagine....

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic the fact that you and the infamous Offit the Profit have in common pushing for thimerosal IN vaccines is proof enough that you are merely a troll .

[transtlantic]

insults are no support for argumentation, ad hominem included.

or you give evidence to support your claims or you don't

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Calling out an obvious troll is a public service within online communities.

[transtlantic]

btw: iron is also a potent neurotoxic, liver toxic and cardio toxic....

wanna stop give iron to your children?

nope

why? because toxicity is dose related.

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic mercury is in the TOXIC TOP TEN:

h t t p : / / toxicityhealthfair. com/index. php?page=the-toxic-top-10

A gram of mercury can pollute a 20-acre lake.

[transtlantic]

don't you see aspiekeepnotresearchingmom...

you even resort to websites who are made by people with NO scientific education! none whatsoever!!!!

and you want to make yourself credible??

they don't even post there the "a gram..." that is your making...

they don't post dose...

they don't clarefy to what type of mercury we are talking about... (its organic mercury btw, DIFFERENT from inorganic mercury)

[transtlantic]

and i forgot to mention...

Toxicity is dose related....

if you want a very good place for simple access information to a person with your knowledge limitations: please go to the EPA website and just research there about mercury. And read it FULLY. try read it with an open mind

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic mercury is in the top ten most toxic substances on Earth , which means it does not require a large dosage to be neurotoxic, that is common knowledge

[transtlantic]

"transtlantic mercury is in the top ten most toxic substances on Earth"

the last time i checked it isn't... unless you know of only less than 10 serious radioactive elements...

"does not require a large dosage to be neurotoxic"- AH, finaly a toxicity is dose related concept emerges!!! and logic can be presented.

if it requires a certain dosage--> therefore the dosage will determine the toxicity

this principle is a basic chemistry concept, seen in ALL elements that exist in the universe

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Toxicity is based on POTENCY as well as dosage. You are denying this irrefutable video evidence that clearly films mercury in action as one of the most potent neurotoxic substances on Earth.

[transtlantic]

"Toxicity is based on POTENCY as well as dosage"

Potency is also dose related. "potency is a measure of drug activity expressed in terms of the amount required to produce an effect of given intensity"

you just gave redundant argument... reffuting yourself...

i am not denying the video. I do know that mercury is neurotoxic AT CERTAIN doses. as it is now: no vaccine has any toxic dose of mercury. and you failed to present any evidence at all of any link between autism and vaccines

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic On the contrary, INTENSITY is operative word when it comes to potency definition. The more POTENT a neurotoxin is , then it requires less dosage to cause harm than other substances with less potency.

Other heavy metals at the same concentration as mercury are NOT as POTENT as the mercury, as this video research clearly states "...In contrast, other heavy metals added at this same concentration such as aluminum, lead , cadnium, and manganese did not produce this effect..."

[transtlantic]

"then it requires less dosage to cause harm than other substances with less potency."

therefore you keep having the TOXICITY IS DOSE RELATED!!!!

look to the video: they do not inject into the bloodstream, they are not using the same dosage that vaccines have!

well.. want me to lecture you into chemistry and basic human anatomy and physiology?

because you are making yourself looking dumb to any highschool kid

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic No, your premise is totally incorrect. Toxicity is both based on potency AND dosage. And this video demonstrates how even mercury vapor in dental amalgams causes harm to the brain. Therefore shooting mercury up by needle like heroin is just unconscionable to do to developing children. The beginning of this video clearly states "Mercury has long been known to be a potent neurotoxic substance , whether it is INHALED or consumed in the diet as a food contaminant".

[transtlantic]

but it was a nice try...

now try learn something with my research method aspienotresearchingmom...

[transtlantic]

just noticed the link did not appear:

Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain dependent

M Hornig, D Chian and W I Lipkin, 2004, nature.

this study was poortly done. recent replications of the method proved that the 2004 study had serious mistakes and the results are completly different. showing a very reduced effect of thiomersal.

"Low-level neonatal thimerosal exposure: further evaluation of altered neurotoxic potential in SJL mice." --> 2008, PUBMED: 17977901

[stillonparolee]

it's not the vaccine that kills people, it's the poison in them.

guns don't kill people it's the bullet

credit cards don't get people in debt it's people that get themselves in debt.

funny right?

[joaharu]

The fact that 'transatlantic' continues to respond to these videos further prove that he is a TROLL:

1 He trolls four "How Mercury KIlls the brain" vidoes

2 "Vaccine Nation (Trailer)"

3. Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )

4. The Truth About Vaccines

5. shoot em up - the truth about vaccines

total of 8 popular vaccine videos and counting.

[transtlantic]

joaharu instead of ad hominem attacks... why not actual reffutal?

still waiting for you to prove me wrong in any argument i posted

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Many people have outted you as a TROLL... it is not an ad hominem attack when you have earned this reputation by yourself. Your only purpose is to advocate for mercury within the thimerosal ingredient of vaccines! Your arguments are absurd, are you a vaccine lobbyist then? That would be the only thing that could explain why you advocate toxic mercury in vaccines for infants and toddlers, if you have monetary gain from selling snakeoil.

[transtlantic]

" Your arguments are absurd,"

so isn't that ad hominem?!?! if i already presented you with the scientific evidence and you still ignore the fact: toxicity is dose related and no toxicity is done with vaccines...

so i present you the evidence proving that all the planned vaccines are good and effective and you still ignore it?

that is denialism... and the accusation that info is manipulated? conspiracy quackery....

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic toxicity is dose related? Is that so? Says who? So you would subject your infant/toddler children to how much mercury , over how long a period of time, at what developmental stages ,  and at what weight and height and ages?

[transtlantic]

"transtlantic toxicity is dose related? Is that so? Says who?" -errr... any book about chemistry, biochemistry, physiology, .... but you can also try go to a room with only 100% O2 there and see what happens (you die after long exposure or get permanent brain damage)

i just gave you the links to such questions... try read the papers

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic All you have to do is listen to this video and watch it. A video is worth a million words.

[Nanana123123123123]

" thiomersal does no damage at the doses that exist in the vaccine because it can't cross the brain barrier to cause high dose toxicity inside the brain"

based on what research do you know this.

You've been trolling vaccine videos. You found this video because of joaharu. you looked at his profile and his latest comments sectionl

[transtlantic]

Toxicology of thiomersal:

Clarkson TW (2002). "The three modern faces of mercury". Environ Health Perspect 110 (S1): 1123. PMID 11834460.

Clarkson TW, Magos L (2006). "The toxicology of mercury and its chemical compounds". Crit Rev Toxicol 36 (8): 60962. doi:10.1080/10408440600845619. PMID 16973445

Pichichero ME, Gentile A, Giglio N et al. (2008). "Mercury levels in newborns and infants after receipt of thimerosal-containing vaccines". Pediatrics 121 (2): e20814.

[joaharu]

Dr. Baskin took a culture of brain cells from the frontal cortex of seizure patients and put THIMEROSAL in it. The Results:

6 hours: DNA damage; Cell Damage

Aptotic bodies in condensation.

In other words retraction of neuron development in the culture at 2 Micromolar

24 hours: Documentaion of DNA and Cell membrane Damage, and Apotoic Morphology. Aptotic morphology, is the morphing of neurons suddenly reducing development through Aptosis(cell programmed death)

[transtlantic]

so.... what about the blood-brain barrier? don't you get it. thiomersal does no damage at the doses that exist in the vaccine because it can't cross the brain barrier to cause high dose toxicity inside the brain. therefore no damage done because of vaccines

[transtlantic]

Toxicology of thiomersal:

Clarkson TW (2002). "The three modern faces of mercury". Environ Health Perspect 110 (S1): 1123. PMID 11834460.

Clarkson TW, Magos L (2006). "The toxicology of mercury and its chemical compounds". Crit Rev Toxicol 36 (8): 60962. doi:10.1080/10408440600845619. PMID 16973445

Pichichero ME, Gentile A, Giglio N et al. (2008). "Mercury levels in newborns and infants after receipt of thimerosal-containing vaccines". Pediatrics 121 (2): e20814.

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Is this study of yours done by a mad scientist ? Who in their right mind would study human infants to see how much toxicity they can handle before it causes them harm , or permanent brain injury?

[transtlantic]

"Who in their right mind would study human infants to see how much toxicity they can handle before it causes them harm , or permanent brain injury?" - you didn't read the papers.... but nevertheless: who in their right mind would let her life be lead by surpestition instead of reality facts? you it seems...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic This video is factual than any paper.

[transtlantic]

"This video is factual than any paper"

right....

just the fact that this video does not replicate what really happens in the world does not count... right....

you really are in denial...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Do you have a video to refute the toxicity of mercury? No, of course not, because you admit yourself you are only arguing DOSAGE not toxicity. What dosage of toxic mercury is safe for your children?

[transtlantic]

you keep mixing the concept...

ANYTHING can be toxic: oxigen, iron, copper, zing, Mg... what counts is the DOSE!!!

mercury is only toxic at a certain dose! you can check the dose at FDA and CDC!! ffs...

this is what happens when lay people don't understand the science behind it and mix all things up...

btw: videos to reffute toxicity of mercury: look at my favourites list

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Mercury is a known potent neurotoxic substance. If you want to play with fire, that is your problem. I choose not to play with fire.

[transtlantic]

"Mercury is a known potent neurotoxic substance"

other 3 potent neurotoxic substances that can damage or kill: Iron, Oxigen and Copper.

toxicity is dose related: ask a highschool student

you have choosen to deny and live your life based upon fear mongering

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic well if oxygen is neurotoxic to you, then stop breathing

[transtlantic]

"well if oxygen is neurotoxic to you, then stop breathing "

comments like this make me believe you really failed and dropped out of highschool...

do i even need to point the mistake?

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic you are the one that said oxygen is neurotoxic, not me

[transtlantic]

aspieresearchmom...

do you want books about toxicity of oxigen, iron, copper and zinc (just to name a few)??

let me give you one:

Harrison's principles of internal medicine 17th edition

or pick a chemistry book

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic No , I already no mercury is a potent neurotoxic substance. You claim you are only arguing DOSAGE. Ok, what is the safe dosage for mercury in a human?

[transtlantic]

"already know mercury is a potent neurotoxic substance" - i do also, but toxicity is dose related, therefore there is a dose at which mercury is not toxic.

dosage is one of the most important thing that defines toxicity...

0.1 µg of mercury per kg of body weight per day (1997 data and being reviewed)

the WHO puts it at more less than 0,3 micrograms per kg per day

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic So everyone knows that mercury is a potent neurotoxic substance, yet you produce two different sources with two different dosages of "safety". Your sources do not make me feel "safer" . Which source do you trust with the "safety" of your infant son or daughter?

[transtlantic]

"Which source do you trust with the "safety" of your infant son or daughter? "

me? the one that appears at my national pediatrics association. that confirms the value of WHO.

In america it's lower because of all the fear mongering. it will raise a bit after all the fear passes...

there is even a couple of studies where the children seem to benefit with the mercury btw...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic I trust the U of Calgary source and research video.

[transtlantic]

"I trust the U of Calgary source and research video. "

that does not prove that vaccines are not safe....

so i am happy, you actually did not reffute me, and proved the safety of vaccines just by one video.

cool, btw, call U of Calgary and ask for their opinion about vaccines

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic You said yourself that mercury is neurotoxic, but you claim that there is a "safe" dosage. You have NEVER proven what the "safe" dosage is.

[transtlantic]

yes i have, copy paste from a recent post you keep denying to read:

"btw.. from the last paper: "187.5 µg of ethyl mercury during the first 6 months of life", and they tested even more...

go read the paper notdoingresearchmom "

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic So you are now claiming "187.5 µg of ethyl mercury during the first 6 months of life" is safe?

[transtlantic]

187.5 µg of ethyl mercury during the first 6 months of life" is safe

is what is given to thousands of children per day --> safe, not 1 died because of it in more than 2decades....

so i consider it safer than many antibiotics...

[transtlantic]

and safer than getting the diseases...

as unvaccinated children's risk of dying is more than double of the rest of the population...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic oh , so now you are playing god. The mercury GIVES pervasive developmental disabilities, who are you to say that this is "safe" just because they do not die from neurotoxic mercury?

[transtlantic]

"who are you to say that this is "safe" just because they do not die from neurotoxic mercury?"

because they did not get any development disorder in ALL of the studies linked to the the vaccines

[transtlantic]

"The fact is you admit that mercury in thimerosal is toxic"

NO, i admited at certain doses ANYTHING is toxic. something that any highschool student can tell you...

"safe dosage" is a true premise.

i already told you the toxic dosage...but how cana lay person with no understanding of biochemistry or human physiology can even argue with me...

anything of organic mercury above 0,3 micrograms per weight might be neurotoxic

iron also causes neuron degeneration. what the toxic dose?

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic you want to put thimerosal in your infant's body, that is your decision. Parents should not be forced to subject their infants to a neurotoxic substance during their developmental stages . You gave several "safe" dosages , which one is correct? And does the "safe" dosage build-up? And is it only "safe" because it does not kill the infant?

[transtlantic]

omg..... you really don't grasp the toxicity is dose related concept, do you?!?!

i wouldn't even mind if someone injected pure aluminium in my blood!!! if the dose is so minimal it can't do a thing!!!

i gave you all the scientific papers and still you have not read them... i posted you the fda safe dosage... it does not build up (i also gave you the paper that shows you that)...

and it is safe because it does nothing to the body, it's a simple preservative...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Mercury CAUSES brain neuron degeneration. If is NOT safe!

[transtlantic]

"Mercury CAUSES brain neuron degeneration" , because of toxicity is dose related, therefore at the doses presented it IS SAFE.

and you failed to present any paper reffuting me.

the video also does not support your videos because of the explanations already given.

Also such hypothesis was presented at a US special court by thousands of parents and at 12 february of 2009. thiomersal contained vaccines were deemed safe and not linked to any developement disorder. END OF

denialistmom

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Since when is the political system of the US court acting in the name of science? The US court also deemed that human life can be aborted on demand without medical cause in 1973 . Your arguments are those of a vaccine lobbyist , not a scientist.

[transtlantic]

what!!?!?! "Since when is the political system of the US court acting in the name of science", you are right it is acting in the name of TRUTH... what a shame... all sides had their chance to expose evidence. READ THE COURT RULE.

"US court also deemed that human life can be aborted on demand without medical cause in 1973 " - there is no life before the 12 weeks of embryo development...

your arguments are ad hominem and ignorance

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic The fact is you admit that mercury in thimerosal is toxic, you only base your arguments on your false premise of "safe dosage". Yet you cannot prove what amount is a "safe dosage" of a neurotoxic mercury substance that causes brain neuron degeneration.

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic  Died? Just because they did not die does not mean the dosage is "safe"?

[transtlantic]

by now is very clear that you actually deny scientific evidence presented in the US special court of 12 of february 2009, that proved in a OMNIBUS that there is NO LINK between vaccines and autism...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic  your own sources contradict each other on "safe" dosages!

[transtlantic]

"transtlantic your own sources contradict each other on "safe" dosages"

lol, WHO says lower than 0,3, US lower than 0,1...

wheere is the contradiction?

oh, i forgot you failed at chemistry...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic oh so they don't say those two amounts are "safe", they say LOWER than those amounts are "safe". HOW MUCH LOWER IS "SAFE" , since those two amounts are NOT safe benchmarks?

[transtlantic]

btw... U of calgary does research about new vaccines... and they even use thiomersal as a preservative...

lolol

you keep being notresearchmom....

if you want any more info, mail me, i am tired of explaining in this small boxes

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic You cannot type the "safe" dosage in this small box?

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic We are seeing actual low dosage mercury actually damaging actual neurons. How can your video refute what I am watching here?

[transtlantic]

" seeing actual low dosage mercury actually damaging actual neurons."

the dose in this video is much higher than the dose of any vaccine.

2) it's directly exposition

very different

want reality direct view instead of a video? thousands around the world take the vaccine and not 1 get long term effects or die because of vaccines.

and you failed to prove that any paper was i posted was wrong. go learn science before shouting nonsense

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic You never said what thimerosal dosage you would allow your own infant to take, over what period of time , and at what developmental age , weight and height. You are in denial.

[transtlantic]

Pichichero ME, Gentile A, Giglio N et al. (2008). "Mercury levels in newborns and infants after receipt of thimerosal-containing vaccines".Pediatrics 121(2):e20814.

here you have. if you repeat the question again i'll copy paste it the parts that answer your question and therefore prove your denial in reading about the subject

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic How many vaccines did they receive? What was their weight and height and developmental age for each vaccine? Were these infants studied as they grew up?

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic You don't say how much thimerosal you will allow in your child. Your silence speaks volumes.

[transtlantic]

silence? i haven't stopped posting you the papers and explanations...

and i am not charging the lecture in chemistry and human physiology...

btw.. from the last paper: "187.5 µg of ethyl mercury during the first 6 months of life", and they tested even more...

go read the paper notdoingresearchmom

[jijied21]

Dr. Baskins injected thimerosal in brain tissue.

The result was brain damage. Google Dr. Baskins and apoptosis.

[LoneGunman2000]

"Mercury in dental amalgam is not poisonous. When mercury is combined with other materials in dental amalgam, its chemical nature changes, so it is essentially harmless"

sounds like complete bullshit. mercury whether any form of mercury is toxic. Google it. Thimerosal injected into brain tissue kills brain tissue.

[transtlantic]

there is not 1 vaccine that is injected directly into the brain! your body removes organic mercury fast enough, don't worry. gogge: pubmed then vaccine safety

[brainwashedjimbob]

Doesn't main stream media cause Brain Neuron Degeneration?

or

Listening to the FDA for my wellbeing?

[mindlesstube]

Mercury in dental amalgam is not poisonous. When mercury is combined with other materials in dental amalgam, its chemical nature changes, so it is essentially harmless. The AMOUNT of mercury released in the mouth under the pressure of chewing and grinding is extremely SMALL and no cause for alarm. In fact, it is less than what patients are exposed to in food, air and water.

[lilmissglentoran]

But it builds up, what we see is the effect over many years-hence why it is termed CHRONIC (build up) of mercury.

One day the immune system shows sudden signs of problems, that's the tricky bit, but I know my immune system, (I am also dyspraxic) has had a lot to cope with and why the hell is mercury IN the dental stuff in the first place, in the lab it is regarded toxic, in dental premises it is regarded toxic, so why is it seemingly safe in the mouth? something odd! Hg IS TOXIC whatever

[muskedc6]

google-adsense-howto-start(dot­)blogspot(dot)com how i earned my money

[rey1164]

lol this suck i seen kids take mercury out of AC units they say it gets them high fuking retards.........

[PioKolby]

Wake up people this stuff is in your food! This stuff is in vaccines and flu shots! Humanity is under attack by a globalist Eugenics plan! Wake up

[eTernaLBOWLING]

Yep yep, I love how like 8/10 people seems to at least have heard about this. Yet 6/8 people wont stand up and say anything for no other reason than fear of being wrong - and being labled a conspiracy theorist... W/e...

[aspieresearchmom]

eTernaLBOWLING Exactly right! Our world is run by money-hungry bullies, there is no "conspiracy" in that, that has always been true, thus the cause of wars. These money-hungry mercury polluters are at war against our unborn babies, infants and toddlers and WE are our children's only defense. So WE gotta recruit these fearful but knowledgable people to stand up for their rights, and their children's health. Otherwise , the human race will become extinct due to , of all things, greed !

[transtlantic]

"So WE gotta recruit these fearful but knowledgable people to stand up for their rights," - who???

human race become extint!?!? we are almost 9 billion people.... do you know how many were alive at th beginning of the 20th century? not more than 2 billion... so something we are doing right...

btw, i posted 3 articles recognized by many health organizations as evidence and you did not reffuted them.

you are in denial

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic I have watched this video many times. I am not in denial. You have a plank in your eye.

[transtlantic]

you should read the papers. this video is out of context: its mercury in direct exposure to neurons, does not account for excretion and BBB, also uses a lot more quanity of mercury than what there is in a vaccine....

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Autism Society of America stands firmly against thimerosal in vaccines.

[transtlantic]

"transtlantic Autism Society of America stands firmly against thimerosal in vaccines. " - i know, and "green vaccines" exist and nevertheless the rise in autism did not decrease: therefore another cause?

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Mercury IS the cause of autism, and has several sources. Eliminating all the sources of mercury is the goal, not just vaccines.

[transtlantic]

"Mercury IS the cause of autism" - proof?

never read one paper explaining such strong causation

mercury of the vaccines were eliminated and autism DID NOT decrease. therefore vaccines can still be done. even jenny mccarthy already promotes vaccines again...

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic Why do you think obstetricians tell pregnant women to not eat fish? Why does the EPA put out mercury warnings in fish? Google mercury and fish and see how many thousands of articles you will see warning pregnant women about developmental disabilities in their unborn babies.

[transtlantic]

"obstetricians tell pregnant women to not eat fish? " - lol, you must tell where you heard such nonsense...

nice for you to compare the fish situation. different aspects to know: ingested mercury is different from injected mercury. dose in fish are higher and can be toxic. mercury in the fish is INORGANIC mercury. Thiomersal- ORGANIC mercury. there are more differences that matter want them all?

[transtlantic]

Toxicology of thiomersal:

Clarkson TW (2002). "The three modern faces of mercury". Environ Health Perspect 110 (S1): 1123. PMID 11834460Clarkson TW, Magos L (2006). "The toxicology of mercury and its chemical compounds". Crit Rev Toxicol 36 (8): 60962. doi:10.1080/10408440600845619. PMID 16973445

Pichichero ME, Gentile A, Giglio N et al. (2008). "Mercury levels in newborns and infants after receipt of thimerosal-containing vaccines".Pediatrics 121(2):e20814.

to see if you deny it again

[transtlantic]

notice that the papers were publish in 3 different journals: environmental health, toxicology and pediatrics...

you can also read the court rule of 12 february 2009

[aspieresearchmom]

transtlantic You are not in denial, you just don't give a damn that mercury is toxic to humans. We have seen autism grow exponentially the past few decades.

[transtlantic]

"just don't give a damn that mercury is toxic to humans."

i do: at toxic doses.

but like many lay person you keep not getting the toxicity is dose related concept... something that any highschool kid senier knows... strange...

[phatcityhogs]

wow, that sux. i just watched a heavy propaganda piece on CNN about how important it was that all people have their kids inoculated with this stuff. No Bias No Bull, No Chance.