David Humphries on Politics, Anarcho-Capitalism & the Free State Project

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

I live in NH and I'm an anarchist. The FSP has NOTHING to do with anarchism. In fact, "anarcho"-capitalism is probably the most contradictory "philosophy" ever. Anarchists have ALWAYS been opposed to capitalism, bosses, the wage system, private property for one's non-active personal use, etc. The FSP is not revolutionary nor is it anarchist. All they want to do is do away with all the reforms working people fought for and set NH back 130 years.

[Prometheusforliberty]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 I get the feeling from your comment that you didn't even watch the video.

[Prometheusforliberty]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 Also I never use the strict term anarchist in this video. I said anarcho-capitilist. However Thoreau , Spooner , and Tucker didn't have problem with the market and they were certainly anarchists.

[khunag]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 Anarcho-capitalism is the only non-contradictory form of anarchism.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

@khunag You are so wrong! Have you seen the FAQ on infoshop?

[khunag]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 Yep, and I was not surprised to confirm that most people calling themselves "anarchist" have simply stolen the word that has nothing to do with their silly ideas. If your not a market anarchist you're not an anarchist.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

@khunag You do know the term "anarchist" was coined by an anti-capitalist philosopher in his book preaching against private property, right?

[khunag]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 I couldn't care less. You can start calling cats zebras if you want, but they're still cats.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

@khunag How do you justify the authority of capitalist bosses and property owners/landlords?

[khunag]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 "Capitalist bosses" have no authority. If I pay someone to do some work for me it's a contract, he will do the work and I will pay him, we are equals, I'm exchanging my property for his work, simple. He doesn't have to work for me, I don't have to hire him, we're free people. I guess I am a landlord, I rent part of my house, what's your problem with that? It's mine and I can do whatever I want with it. Someone wants a place to live, I want some extra money, we're both happy.

[synchronium24]

@khunag just cuz a contract is agreed to, doesn't mean the contract wasn't coerced. sure, there's no one with a gun to your head forcing you to agree to the terms, but you have very little opportunity in the way of alternatives. even if you choose to work for someone else, they are still not allowing you to utilize the factors of production, which means you will be at a negotiating disadvantage BEFORE the contract is ever constructed. On a practical level, the choice is not free,

[khunag]

@synchronium24 Of course it is, for example I could've stayed in bed today and say "fuck it, I don't feel like working or doing anything, I'm just gonna roll a joint and sleep all day". I made a choice to do otherwise, since I have important stuff to do today. Staying in bed would be a very bad idea and I would have some serious problems if I did it. Doesn't mean I didn't have a choice.

[synchronium24]

@khunag again, i agree that you have a choice, in the loosest sense, not to work. the point is that the CONDITIONS of work itself are unfair. choosing to work and not smoke weed means you'll get work, but it doesn't mean that that you will be bargaining on an even foot with your boss. they got the goods, they make the rules.

[khunag]

@synchronium24 Nope, you make it sound like "the bosses" are some aliens from a different planet and you're something else and that's it. But you choose your bosses in the same way he chooses employees, he can fire you, and you can "fire" him, and find a different boss. Or even better - become your own boss. Starting a business in pure free market economy would be as easy as - make stuff -> sell stuff. I always hated to have a boss myself so now I don't have one, wasn't that hard honestly.

[synchronium24]

@khunag "Or even better - become your own boss."

I'll agree with this one point!

[7ty714]

@synchronium24 I think you have a warped perception about the free market and capitalism (as I did before I started doing research). The state of the economy today, where the rich get richer and the poorer get poorer, is a result of corporate and tax laws, central banking and the use of force to redistribute wealth to certain companies. This is called crony capitalism, or corporatism. Corporations (as they are today) wouldn't exist in a free market because they are a result of corporate law.

[khunag]

@synchronium24 And in your example the contract is not forced on you by anyone. Yeah, you would have to be in a REALLY bad position to only have this one choice, this one contract you have to sign to to earn any money (an absurd situation that's impossible in free market economy), but putting to blame on the only person that gave you any opportunity and is basically saving you from starvation is ridiculous. If you want to control the means of production start your own bussiness, it's easy.

[adjohnson916]

This is exactly what happened to me to! Wow, this must be a common pattern for our generation... maybe the future is bright!

[highestking2010]

Our economy would collapse without war. Foolish youth.

[khunag]

@highestking2010 Broken window fallacy. Go and educate yourself.

[tpsisokayiguess]

Makes ME think that Ron Paul perhaps isn't such a minarchist after all. But merely a genius anarcho capitalist. But those are just dreams...

[Prometheusforliberty]

Or are they

[RationalDischarge]

His philosophical evolution is identical to my own. Isn't it ironic that the political candidacy of one Constitutionalist libertarian/conservative has created so many new Voluntaryists and Anarcho-Capitalists? Makes me think maybe political action isn't pointless after all.

[flamingfuzzy]

I'd tap that

[jonnniefivemiles]

great stuff, I imagine a lot people had similar personal political development