@seamusmccarthy That's the spirit. Go around destroying and killing people in your own country. At the end of the day you don't prove your any better than they are.
@CutleryNovice That's not what I said. I said your killing over something that happened ages ago. If someone, say, personally broke into your house and threatened to kill you and your family that's different.
The sad thing is. Parents brainwash their children on how awful what happened is. And then they brainwash their children in the same way. And in all honesty. This fighting has become an Irish tradition. And look at them all. They're enjoying themselves. And in the end they aren't fighting for any reason. Just to enjoy themselves. Some don't even know why they are fighting. And by doing so you only prove to everyone else you can make a few petrol bombs and kill people.
Personnaly, I believe fighting for tradition is just another way of fighting for what your ancestors believed in. without our heritage, and the tradition that goes with it, who are we, but people who have forgotten our roots. to me, thats a fate worse than death. death is just the next journey in life, but if you forget where you came from, how do you know where you're going next?
@seamusmccarthy04 Perhaps, but things change over the years. Whether our ancestors were right or not aside, we shouldn't just continue the fight because they started it. I completely agree that heritage and tradition are very important and without them we are lost. But fighting doesn't belong in this category. Fighting without feeling the same thing in our own hearts destroys the meaning, as it does any tradition that isn't felt personally, only repeated. Without the meaning, what's the point?
@PikesAndGuns oh i agree with you there....if the only reason for fighting was our ancestors beliefs. but after losing so many friends and family to the fight....i cant sit on my arse and not do anything about it.
@seamusmccarthy04 Still...you can fight for tradition without using violence. It's not as if the revenge killings of the Six Counties were the ONLY way for anyone to defend their tradition. In the end, none of the deaths of "The Troubles" achieved anything. Everyone there died for nothing.
Fight for your traditions...but don't make fighting THE tradition.
This made me cry at the premiere of the Celtic mass Heaven and Earth in Des Moines! Loved the story behind the song that Tommy Sands shared. This is a story of his neighbors and friends and it took him 10 years to finally write a song about it.
I take GCSE History we learn about what goes on in Ireland. I live in England, I am an atheist, I think my country is in the wrong. I'm not saying I agree with everything that Republicans claim. I'm just saying that "those who give the orders are not the ones to die. It's Bell and O'Malley and the likes of you and I." is one of the truest statments I've heard in a while. Our government sit back and refuse to leave. People are dying. Something should be done. I think this song is beautiful :')
@PurplePhantom95 Im also from England but living in Ireland and i think the English government were completely in the wrong for letting things like this go on! And i agree i love this song :)
Thanks so much... sometimes I just need to hear this and I lost my copy of this album long ago..... I first heard it performed on the night before Easter at a pub in Berkeley, California (The Starry Plough, for those who know it) and it left me breathless and aching and I knew before the singer told me over a pint that the story was true.... that's been 20 years or better and....well, sometimes I need to hear it.
Tommy's words are precious and should be taken to heart - . There is nothing good to come from revisiting old troubles, Tis a pale excuse for not living today. Most of us now were not even there.
@scotty1137 If you write "God bless the Irish" you did not understand the message of the song. The message is: God bless the world and everyone who is living in it.
@Scotty1137 you learned nothing from the song you just heard. anger , hate, prejudice and fear always leads to violence, hate and bloodshed. believe me. the history of my country is full of it.
this song is so true. lost a lot of friends on both sides through the tit for tat bullshit. i for one am glad it's finally finished. even if the good friday accord has more holes in it than a sieve. good on ya tommy very good song. thank you scotty 1137 for the video.
its shocking that people care bot religion what does it matter. im a protestant and i dnt know the dif between prods and catholics. i culdnt care less. all ic are about is that people stop fighting and killin eachother. it will never come to an end cos ppl r so stupid, not enough is done to the people who cause the bother. grow up!
@carolel1988 The difference between protestants and catholics is pretty big(catholics even have a different Bible) ,but I bet both would understand that God wants us to be salt and light, not kill each other.
“They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men” (Matthew 15:9). such traditions should be dismantled : catholicism and protestantism!Find pure worship:in spirit and in truth.
@in6days Well written. Sadly that conflict is a long standing one of power, land, sovereignty choices. Generations have worked at this and Catholic Protestant divide is circumstantial however real.
It must and does have a political (negotiated) end.
smashing song but everyone is equal and we all have have friends of different faith and religion we are born to die lets get along in between god bless all of us love
blu that is nice in fairytales, fightin out of tradition, simplify it if you want but in reality its a war, no one wants the bad but its here and it is real
I sing this at parties and I never really experienced it much was like 10 when it all ended so uno but I like that we sing this to celebrate what we are no longer struggling with. And it's nice to think we wont be back there again but ignoramus' who brought their children up on their frustration and hatred threaten the peace. They attack people, Id like to ask them if they know why they did it if they even now why we started fighting because when you join a fight like that u forget why ur there
great is all i can say, love it so much and the truth is in it nomatter what the divide is there is always friendship and that is the key to peace, lets live together and sort out all the other stuff in life to make us happy both sides, think of all the bloodshed before and thank god there is no more bloodshed,
the uda never existed?????? nor the red hand? nor the lvf etc... no terrorists on your side? the Queen and her government?????? only republicans??? i dont think do
Wow so deep!!Very telling of the story so sad but true.I feel the connection in my blood being mostly scot and some irish truley a great song so discriptive I can live the place in that moment very well...thanks for the post Scotty1137!
I first heard this song umpteen years ago. i still think of the relatives of the two young men who died so needlessly. Thank God we have peace of a sort in a province that was torn asunder by violence for so many years. Tony Blair may have his critics and rightly so in my view but at least he ahd the courage to carry on the Peace Process. And while I am at it lets not forgwet Mo Mowlam RIP
gives me bloody goosepimples everytime i hear it.. and this is the best version i have heard thus far.. (: cause he actually wrote it and dealt with it in real life. and read the information people, it was 1974..
such a beautiful song! when I heard it for the first time I had to cry. I cannot understand why people aren't able to talk to each others instead of making war.
And it remembers me of the time when I was on holiday in Ireland, it's still my favourite to visit!!
very very moving song, i personally prefer the way cara dillon sings it. but all the same a moving song. we shouldnt fight. we're all human and we make mistake. but we dont need to wave our fists. my mum always taught me that it takes a bigger person to walk away than it dos to stand and fight. im hangin on 4 a free world 4 a better place to raise my family.
It simplifies 900 years of history into one snippet of Catholic v Protestants, the conflict in Ireland is a lot more complex than that, yet for some reason the jumper over the shoulder crowd lap it up...
Doesn't really matter what's happened over the last 900 years. We are here and now. Our ancestor's battles are not ours. Fighting out of tradition is the worst kind.
@CutleryNovice - ignorance of what, exactly? Please make a point because I'm not in custom of debating comments I made months ago with someone who can't do more than make vague, cheap shots like that
@michael1916 For about 25 years, it was that....I saw it spill out even here in Canada, where folks had come, presumably to get away from it, but it followed anyway. My Dad was of Irish Catholic stock, and one of my dearest friends is the descendant of Fenians sent here in the 19th century - it's still alive, still nasty, and still needs to end.
@michael1916 For about 25 years, it was that, even here in Canada, where people had apparently come to escape it. As the descendant of both Irish Protestants and Irish Catholics, I can see it for what it is - people fighting for things they no longer understand, just a typical Us vs Them. It happened in the Balkans, too, and didn't need to.
@carollizc dont quite think its that simple even there in canada.... did you see a member of your family shot dead in front of you for no other reason than his /her religion ... did you have your house raided & accused of being involved in a terrorist organisation... its easy for people to comment on something they know nothing about but think they do.... trust me we....we understand.. better than any 1...sorry i may be wrong but i know wot ive fought for & will continue to so to make sure the
@carollizc the ppl of n.ire have peace 3000 ppl lost there lives in the conflict & your telling me we don't know why catch your self on......... we better than any1 know why ...... that's why every day ordinary ppl flight to stop it you idiot...
it is, i live in Northern Ireland and it's so beautiful but when you've lived here all your life you don't really notice it, until some-one points it out to you.. :-)
I love this song because it shows what a world of hate does to the innocent. Afganistan, Iraq and Palestine are all places that can breed hatred because of the terrible lives people there lead. Violence all around. Music is very powerful stuff.
All you terorists bear in mind the lyeics of the song. is that what you want you? all talk about how your "doing it for Ireland." But can't you see your tearing your fucking country apart! And blame the Why cant you be man enough to end it? Or do you like killing? Do you like seeing mothers, children dead or crying over someone you bastards killed? Do you like the look in their eye! Youve never seen that look you. Its inocents, babies, women, toddlers, children, tourists! That's who you kill!
Maybe you should stop for a moment and realise that the problems of the world arent caused by individuals, countries or even politics but something far more insidious; ignorance. People are people no matter who or where that are, theyre all the same in a world without borders. It was ignorance and mindless hate that kept the Troubles alive, and thats what the song is about; not Catholic, Protestant, British or Irish or anything else. It was people just like you.
I saw him perform at a Socialist rally in Dublin a few months ago.He realy is a very talented man.Someone told me he was related to Bobby Sands.Anyone know if thats true?
What a load of crap read your history before making stupid comments
your nation doesnt even have its own currency having sold out to the European Union The good old punt is long gone
Now you have the Euro and are controlled from EUROPE by the NEW WORLD ORDER your nation is now multicultural
With more IRISH living in the USA than there is in Ireland the RIRA is a pipedream trying to keep alive what no longer exists at least the UK retained its own currency What has EIRRAN retained
im from scotland and wen i was in high school my r.e teacher sang this song with his guitar infront of the hole asembly and said that he wrote for his freinds allan and sean who really wrote it any one no ??
Yes Tommy Sands a great song writer/strory teller wrote it. The events i am sorry to inform you did actually happen. In later years at the request of the families of the two lads killed he stopped singing it and it drifted away until cara dillion changed the names away from the orginal story.
UH, saoirse, the events depicted in the song actually HAPPENED to two of Tommy's friends. Fortunately, people seem to be saner in the Six Counties than they once were and this type of event is now a rare occurrence, if it happens at all anymore.
His wife is French, that would explain why he learned French. That and when he performed with his brothers and sister in the Sands Family band, they frequently toured Europe.
Ni wants peace-I believe that a new wave of moderate nationalist people should stand together, those who accept that a united Ireland will never happen and so they work to establish a strong and steadfast place for northern nationalist people to lead N.I into a new era. away from the marks and spencer shopping, boiled sweet sucking sdlp and away from the blind romantic shite that SF pump out day in day out.
Before partition MANY unionists would have considered themselves fully Irish. This is true. i read a book about it. Infact, many unionists were against the idea of partition because they did not want to split Ireland in two... but they DID want to remain part of britain. This hatred for Ireland today by many unionists is completely unjustified in my opinion.
I am from ireland and I have moved away to scotland because noone cares here where you are from or what religion you are. I get so ashamed of our country when I read our history. how could we have acted this way. I agree with kingweirdodude -i wouldn't care whether we were united or not. I love both the north and the south. and people cannot tell the difference between our accents anyway!
Oh for fuck's sake. Everyone responsible for that has been dead for 300 years--it's not exactly like blaming the Jews for the crucifixion, but it works on the same principle.
I don't see why Catholics and Protestants can't get along. Why is there so much hatred? I know we have our differences here and there but we are all followers of Christ. I'm a Protestant from the United States, so many there's something I don't understand here. Explain to me why you guys hate each other so much over there.
It was never originally about religion at all. Infact, MANY of the founders of republicanism were protestants. It only ever became primarily about religion because the british needed something to blame the situation over here on. It was a way to justify themselves. Of course, now that the british army are gone.. everything is sweet. It has to be said however that currently it is a VERY small minority. the only people who actually care about religion are uneducated baboons!
@LCMS343 its very complicated an i mean very its hard to understand you need to live here to understand.....you see ok il try to go 60s onwards when the ira began to defend nationalists who where being attacked by loyalist it made the loyalists retailated its not a religous war its a land war hell it could be muslims an hindus still eventualy the ira got money from america an the loylaists got protection from the army an in the end a peace deal was made thats the easy way to explain
I don't think anyone should die because of this. I'm born prod, but I wouldn't give a damn if the island was united or we stay british, just whatever ends most peacefully. Sadly things seem to be kicking off again. Too many bigots and narrow minded bastards live here.
obviously as a republican it would be a disgrace if ireland was under complete British rule. even as a republican i would not be happy to see the six counties simply integrated into the current free state for it is a disgrace 2. Ireland will not be at peace untill it is united and free from britain. a new system of government will be required when the border is removed.
i would not waste my time reading anything rsf produce, they have no support and no political status, they offer no other way, expect a road that has already been travelled. how is making the same mistakes and experiencing the same deaths going to achieve anything different??
easy listening song, nice. all this sentimentality is great, dnt get me wrong, and innocent death is unfortunate. thing is, thats what happens in war and if ireland is to be united war is the only way, you can all call me mad and watever else u wana say bcuz u wont to fit in with the 'peaceful' community but thats just how it is. yes its a pity that these ppl died and indeed other innocents, but to remove britain through war, which this song is obviously criticizing, is the only way.
zero deaths would be preferable, but the british occupation makes it impossible for that to be realised. in what way is it acceptable to ride on an aimless wave of sentimentality ignoring the reality of the irish situation??
I didn't say "preferable," I said "acceptable." I'm assuming you're better informed about the whole issue than I am, but I just want to know if you've thought it through.
thought it through?? obviously i have thought it through, its a big part of my life. its not easy to put a number on acceptable death tolls. im sure you can understand that. If it helps at all, i would give my life if i thought it wud gain independence, any1 who wants freedom, really wants freedom, and knows that sacrafice is the only way, then their deaths are acceptable.
im sorry, but your wrong, for so many reasons, 1. ireland has been divided for two long and the peoples either side have far too many differences, like it or lump it, northern ireland people are closer to scots and english in culture and education and nearly every other part of life, if the uk pulled out of n.i the roi could not afford us, as the public sector from britain is a huge part of the local economy! i do wonder what world people with rose tinted glasses live in!! wake up & move on!!
first off how can i be wrong?? u asked for my opinion and i gave u it. an opinion is not wrong.
also before u make a statement that the roi could not afford "us", go an read some proposed policies, for example rsf's eire nua. i dont support rsf so just read this policy. i also have to reiterate that a united ireland does not mean a simple inergration
Ireland has been divided for too long? Unionists on the island never associated their culture as being Irish and chose to take on Britain's civic culture (which is as much a cuture as European is). Nationalists deem themselves to be far closer to Irish culture than Unionists do for obvious reasons such as a shared common language (english and irish), sports and traditions. Also globalisation does away the claim that any extreme distinction between cultures which would make unifacation impossible
this song really shows how stupid the disputes in Northern Ireland were. Innocent people massacred, and for what? And what's worse, looks like the troubles are coming round again...the IRA killing again. Why can't they see violence isnt the way?!
And, ps. - I really love the version of Sands. Maybe because I heard it first, in the Polish radio, long time ago. Sands claimed that the song was based on a true story, and that he knew personally the characters...
no hes better at singing this song than dillion. But my old teacher Ms. Flanagan. She knew Ireland's most renowned singer. Tommy makem. He was her mentor. She could sing this better than tommy sand and cara dillion together. I miss her. God rest her soul.
I had the great good fortune of seeing Tommy Sands perform this song at the Milwaukee Irish Fest several years ago. After he finished there was a minute of silence followed by a thunderous standing ovation. It was a fit tribute to this great song about our northern bretherin of all faiths. May peace prevail over the hatred that belongs in the past.
Frenchengl, I am not Irish, but I'll try to answer. Roses, though they are typical flowers brought to funerals, have highly symbolic meaning here, like 'where are all the flowers gone' by Marlena Dietrich, another anti-war song. Also in Polish tradition, there is a saying 'no time to mourn the roses, when the forests are burning', meaning: in the time of war a single death means nothing, personal feelings ar unimportant.
For me then, 'roses' mean precious human life, lost prematurely...
people should stop with the 'Catholic and Protestant' thing. It's not about religion, it never has been. It stems back to the history of British imperialism in Ireland. Just like in Iraq, they like to create this fictional tale of two warring tribes and absolve themselves from their murderous rampage. The war in ireland was not to do with religion, unfortunately people on both sides allowed themselves to believe this two tribes nonsense and protestant workers allowed themselves to be fooled
And throw their lot in with their community's middle class leaders, scum like Paisley. When in reality the working class people of the Shankill and the Falls had much in common. There was an opportunity for all irish workers to resist imperialism, whether or not their parents believed that copmmunion bread was the real body of christ or just a symbol.
I'm a republican and Tommy's brother Bobby is a hero of mine.
However. I wonder would he have done things differently if he knew he was dying so that people like Gerry Adams could help bigoted homophobic scum like the DUP to close hospitals.
Here's to the day where all working class people in Ireland can push for an open, Socialist republic, where the horrors of imperialism and its side products like sectarianism are forgotten.
Doniedaff, where are you from? did you just state that Tommy and Bobby where brothers? who taught you, your irish history Elton John??? Tommy is part of the Famous Sands Family, famous for their musical talents and from county Down, Bobby MP was born in the loyalist housing of Rathcoole on the out skirts of North Belfast, where he was later burnt out of it and relocated to Republican West Belfast where he joined the organisation which sealed his fate and his place in Irish History and Myth.
Apologies. I had been misinformed about the origins of the Sands family. Other than knowing they existed, I had no real reason to know anything about them, so when someone told me they were the same family as Bobby Sands I just took their word for it, didn't know they were from newry.
I like the soft & tender Cara Dillon version & love the raucous & righteous live band Andy White version (on the "Rare" album) but ta muchly for posting the original, I'd never heard it before.
I love the beautiful working in of Gandhi's drop of wisdom - "An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind"
so when did the brits shoot dead british people? why did they not open fire on the miners marches like they did in derry? bollocks to your comments with a due respect
"so when did the brits shoot dead british people?"
Didn't you get any history in school? The Picts, the Scots, the Welsh, the Angles, the Saxons and the Normans all fought wars against each other time and time again.
Hey folks, have a question:
Is this Tommy Sands related to Bobby Sands, the one who wrote "Back home in Derry"? Are the brothers? Does anybody know?
Go raibh mille maith agat.
Trikele179 3 days ago
Okay, found it out myself. Bobby is related to Tommy, he's a distant cousin...
Trikele179 3 days ago
peace!
antonia17cowan 1 week ago
I also like "The people have spoken"
TheJohnus 3 months ago
This song is amazing and poignant.
smaffa2335 5 months ago
@seamusmccarthy That's the spirit. Go around destroying and killing people in your own country. At the end of the day you don't prove your any better than they are.
BLACKOUTMK2 5 months ago
@BLACKOUTMK2 Hey I'm with him,come after my family or friends and I will kill you
CutleryNovice 5 months ago
@CutleryNovice That's not what I said. I said your killing over something that happened ages ago. If someone, say, personally broke into your house and threatened to kill you and your family that's different.
BLACKOUTMK2 5 months ago
@BLACKOUTMK2 Well I wouldn't kill for that but I'd fight someone for it
CutleryNovice 5 months ago
The sad thing is. Parents brainwash their children on how awful what happened is. And then they brainwash their children in the same way. And in all honesty. This fighting has become an Irish tradition. And look at them all. They're enjoying themselves. And in the end they aren't fighting for any reason. Just to enjoy themselves. Some don't even know why they are fighting. And by doing so you only prove to everyone else you can make a few petrol bombs and kill people.
BLACKOUTMK2 5 months ago
ill die for what i believe in....and i believe in avenging family and other loved ones
seamusmccarthy04 6 months ago
i had friends and a cousin die fighting, i dont make a tradition out of fighting, im Irish, not barbarian....but this fight is personnal for me now
seamusmccarthy04 6 months ago
Personnaly, I believe fighting for tradition is just another way of fighting for what your ancestors believed in. without our heritage, and the tradition that goes with it, who are we, but people who have forgotten our roots. to me, thats a fate worse than death. death is just the next journey in life, but if you forget where you came from, how do you know where you're going next?
seamusmccarthy04 7 months ago
@seamusmccarthy04 Perhaps, but things change over the years. Whether our ancestors were right or not aside, we shouldn't just continue the fight because they started it. I completely agree that heritage and tradition are very important and without them we are lost. But fighting doesn't belong in this category. Fighting without feeling the same thing in our own hearts destroys the meaning, as it does any tradition that isn't felt personally, only repeated. Without the meaning, what's the point?
PikesAndGuns 6 months ago
@PikesAndGuns oh i agree with you there....if the only reason for fighting was our ancestors beliefs. but after losing so many friends and family to the fight....i cant sit on my arse and not do anything about it.
seamusmccarthy04 6 months ago
@seamusmccarthy04 Still...you can fight for tradition without using violence. It's not as if the revenge killings of the Six Counties were the ONLY way for anyone to defend their tradition. In the end, none of the deaths of "The Troubles" achieved anything. Everyone there died for nothing.
Fight for your traditions...but don't make fighting THE tradition.
KennBurch 6 months ago
I love this song so much. <3
lynzee1234 7 months ago
@lynzee1234 i love this song too, especially for the message it sends :)
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savemejebis 7 months ago
the 11 idiots who disliked this clearly dont understand the troubles or wat we went through ..
padraigmcguiganable 7 months ago
there is no one else that can sing this quite like Tommy... Love this recording..
72shuffle 9 months ago
@72shuffle you should hear my uncle bobby mullis sing it. check out boston's erin og
npb993 8 months ago
This made me cry at the premiere of the Celtic mass Heaven and Earth in Des Moines! Loved the story behind the song that Tommy Sands shared. This is a story of his neighbors and friends and it took him 10 years to finally write a song about it.
katmomsinger 10 months ago
I take GCSE History we learn about what goes on in Ireland. I live in England, I am an atheist, I think my country is in the wrong. I'm not saying I agree with everything that Republicans claim. I'm just saying that "those who give the orders are not the ones to die. It's Bell and O'Malley and the likes of you and I." is one of the truest statments I've heard in a while. Our government sit back and refuse to leave. People are dying. Something should be done. I think this song is beautiful :')
PurplePhantom95 11 months ago
@PurplePhantom95 Im also from England but living in Ireland and i think the English government were completely in the wrong for letting things like this go on! And i agree i love this song :)
xxpipxx95 7 months ago
Thanks so much... sometimes I just need to hear this and I lost my copy of this album long ago..... I first heard it performed on the night before Easter at a pub in Berkeley, California (The Starry Plough, for those who know it) and it left me breathless and aching and I knew before the singer told me over a pint that the story was true.... that's been 20 years or better and....well, sometimes I need to hear it.
lebeau59741 1 year ago
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dirty orange fuckers, the divide ll never end till one side is dead, SO WHY NOT SETTLE IT ONCE AND FOR ALL???
OPINIONATED1893 1 year ago
Tommy's words are precious and should be taken to heart - . There is nothing good to come from revisiting old troubles, Tis a pale excuse for not living today. Most of us now were not even there.
lisaj62 1 year ago 4
@scotty1137 If you write "God bless the Irish" you did not understand the message of the song. The message is: God bless the world and everyone who is living in it.
ninatafuta 1 year ago 7
@ninatafuta where are you from?
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ninatafuta 1 year ago
@Scotty1137 Germany
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@ninatafuta up we the Scots an Irish an doon we the English an Germans : )
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Thor1082 2 months ago
@Scotty1137 you learned nothing from the song you just heard. anger , hate, prejudice and fear always leads to violence, hate and bloodshed. believe me. the history of my country is full of it.
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ninatafuta 1 year ago
this song is so true. lost a lot of friends on both sides through the tit for tat bullshit. i for one am glad it's finally finished. even if the good friday accord has more holes in it than a sieve. good on ya tommy very good song. thank you scotty 1137 for the video.
TheSandsie13 1 year ago 3
" .... for the ground our fathers ploughed in the soil it is the same and the places where we say our prayers have just got different names... "
EllieMcTex 1 year ago
@EllieMcTex Are you saying,we are eating our fathers,because their plowed remains are in the potato eyes?
mrniggerbaiter 1 year ago
its shocking that people care bot religion what does it matter. im a protestant and i dnt know the dif between prods and catholics. i culdnt care less. all ic are about is that people stop fighting and killin eachother. it will never come to an end cos ppl r so stupid, not enough is done to the people who cause the bother. grow up!
carolel1988 1 year ago
@carolel1988 The difference between protestants and catholics is pretty big(catholics even have a different Bible) ,but I bet both would understand that God wants us to be salt and light, not kill each other.
songfreak32267 1 year ago
great song and sadly a true story!!!
@ all ye old faithfulls!!!!
the only thing keepin "the war" alive is ignorrant blind fools, on both sides!!!
it's 2010 not 1970!!
anyone still supporting "the cause" on both ends of the spectrum, should have a good hard look at the last 50years, and cop ta fcuk on!!!!!!!!!
do the people of today have to follow in the footsteps that caused this?
this was wrote in 1974! pity no one took heed then!
would've saved alot of lives!
rombolis 1 year ago 4
“They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men” (Matthew 15:9). such traditions should be dismantled : catholicism and protestantism!Find pure worship:in spirit and in truth.
in6days 1 year ago
@in6days Well written. Sadly that conflict is a long standing one of power, land, sovereignty choices. Generations have worked at this and Catholic Protestant divide is circumstantial however real.
It must and does have a political (negotiated) end.
Alexmcgruer3 1 year ago
smashing song but everyone is equal and we all have have friends of different faith and religion we are born to die lets get along in between god bless all of us love
weejoke4 1 year ago 2
blu that is nice in fairytales, fightin out of tradition, simplify it if you want but in reality its a war, no one wants the bad but its here and it is real
shinneybuckles 1 year ago
why should people fight for things that happened years ago ? i think we are living in a time of peace and Freedom.
but the song is really good with a very important context
MrOption101 1 year ago
Im pretty sure if a country like, russia or somewhere, invaded ireland, every catholic, and protestant would be the best of comrades.
I am the son of an Orangemen from Canada.
MasonicEyes 1 year ago
I sing this at parties and I never really experienced it much was like 10 when it all ended so uno but I like that we sing this to celebrate what we are no longer struggling with. And it's nice to think we wont be back there again but ignoramus' who brought their children up on their frustration and hatred threaten the peace. They attack people, Id like to ask them if they know why they did it if they even now why we started fighting because when you join a fight like that u forget why ur there
HeartPainsCandyVeins 1 year ago 2
Great song.
GlasgowCelticPat1888 1 year ago
great is all i can say, love it so much and the truth is in it nomatter what the divide is there is always friendship and that is the key to peace, lets live together and sort out all the other stuff in life to make us happy both sides, think of all the bloodshed before and thank god there is no more bloodshed,
airplanemaniac1 2 years ago
Great song that shows that there can be peace in NI. I mean friendship over the borders.
TheMrseringobragh 2 years ago
Ignore the uneducated, moronic bigot below.
Tommy Sands songs are for everybody regardless of religion or creed.
Redflag011 2 years ago 2
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bunch a dirty rebal fenains basterd....
QUIS SEPARABIT
U, U, UDA!
robbie12457810 2 years ago
the uda never existed?????? nor the red hand? nor the lvf etc... no terrorists on your side? the Queen and her government?????? only republicans??? i dont think do
airplanemaniac1 2 years ago 19
@airplanemaniac1 True. There was equal blood on all hands.
KennBurch 6 months ago
We did that in English, the suffering is somehow sad but beautiful song
Mausimendi 2 years ago
Beautiful song.
Sharotastic 2 years ago 2
Wow so deep!!Very telling of the story so sad but true.I feel the connection in my blood being mostly scot and some irish truley a great song so discriptive I can live the place in that moment very well...thanks for the post Scotty1137!
coloclimber1 2 years ago
I first heard this song umpteen years ago. i still think of the relatives of the two young men who died so needlessly. Thank God we have peace of a sort in a province that was torn asunder by violence for so many years. Tony Blair may have his critics and rightly so in my view but at least he ahd the courage to carry on the Peace Process. And while I am at it lets not forgwet Mo Mowlam RIP
Paddyscot 2 years ago
Doesnt matter what century it was/is.... still a part of Irish history, and a big part of that
pogebbies 2 years ago
gives me bloody goosepimples everytime i hear it.. and this is the best version i have heard thus far.. (: cause he actually wrote it and dealt with it in real life. and read the information people, it was 1974..
nicolebeaver23 2 years ago
such a beautiful song! when I heard it for the first time I had to cry. I cannot understand why people aren't able to talk to each others instead of making war.
And it remembers me of the time when I was on holiday in Ireland, it's still my favourite to visit!!
LittleKayBee 2 years ago
boy I wish the Wood's Tea Company version of this song was on here, great performance.
slaptasticdave21 2 years ago
very very moving song, i personally prefer the way cara dillon sings it. but all the same a moving song. we shouldnt fight. we're all human and we make mistake. but we dont need to wave our fists. my mum always taught me that it takes a bigger person to walk away than it dos to stand and fight. im hangin on 4 a free world 4 a better place to raise my family.
mummyimogen18 2 years ago
19th century politics? try some reading before making ill-informed and moronic comments like that.
michael1916 2 years ago
It simplifies 900 years of history into one snippet of Catholic v Protestants, the conflict in Ireland is a lot more complex than that, yet for some reason the jumper over the shoulder crowd lap it up...
michael1916 2 years ago
Doesn't really matter what's happened over the last 900 years. We are here and now. Our ancestor's battles are not ours. Fighting out of tradition is the worst kind.
blu3j4yw4y 2 years ago 48
yes,I agree it's plain to see our history and how we can change is moving forward not back thanks for the real comments blu3j4wy4y!!Peace!!
coloclimber1 2 years ago
@blu3j4yw4y too rite
eire1984 1 year ago
@blu3j4yw4y Your a disgrace to your Irish lineage,
"Who dares to say forget the past to men of Irish birth?"
"Who dares to say cease fighting for out place upon this earth?"
CutleryNovice 1 year ago
@CutleryNovice - You cannot grasp the immensity of the fuck I do not give.
blu3j4yw4y 1 year ago
@blu3j4yw4y And you can't grasp the immensity of ignorance you've just displayed.
CutleryNovice 1 year ago
@CutleryNovice - ignorance of what, exactly? Please make a point because I'm not in custom of debating comments I made months ago with someone who can't do more than make vague, cheap shots like that
blu3j4yw4y 1 year ago
@CutleryNovice Aye! it is not easy to forget what those english bastards have done to our people
davidramone31 1 year ago
@michael1916 For about 25 years, it was that....I saw it spill out even here in Canada, where folks had come, presumably to get away from it, but it followed anyway. My Dad was of Irish Catholic stock, and one of my dearest friends is the descendant of Fenians sent here in the 19th century - it's still alive, still nasty, and still needs to end.
carollizc 1 year ago
@michael1916 For about 25 years, it was that, even here in Canada, where people had apparently come to escape it. As the descendant of both Irish Protestants and Irish Catholics, I can see it for what it is - people fighting for things they no longer understand, just a typical Us vs Them. It happened in the Balkans, too, and didn't need to.
carollizc 1 year ago
@carollizc dont quite think its that simple even there in canada.... did you see a member of your family shot dead in front of you for no other reason than his /her religion ... did you have your house raided & accused of being involved in a terrorist organisation... its easy for people to comment on something they know nothing about but think they do.... trust me we....we understand.. better than any 1...sorry i may be wrong but i know wot ive fought for & will continue to so to make sure the
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mhearstify 1 year ago
@carollizc the ppl of n.ire have peace 3000 ppl lost there lives in the conflict & your telling me we don't know why catch your self on......... we better than any1 know why ...... that's why every day ordinary ppl flight to stop it you idiot...
gary24980 1 year ago
Cork's really nice, i live in Fermanagh, (we get more rain annually than the whole of Spain) but it has some spectacular scenery :-D
LesCheveuxRoux139 2 years ago 2
Ireland is so FREAKIN BEAUTYFUL
HECKproductions 2 years ago 5
it is, i live in Northern Ireland and it's so beautiful but when you've lived here all your life you don't really notice it, until some-one points it out to you.. :-)
LesCheveuxRoux139 2 years ago 2
well i live in germany nad come 4 my holidays every summer to cork, and everytime i enjoy it. <3<3<3<3
HECKproductions 2 years ago 4
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A typical 'middle class song' completely out of of touch in the real world
michael1916 2 years ago
I think it has a great deal to do with the modern world, regardless of which class you belong to.
Melanth89 2 years ago
you havent a clue what went on if your saying that
Xxfionac95xX 2 years ago
this is so true i am from irish catholic and also english protestant so i can see both sides how sad comment from polly murphy not rs85
rshepard1985 2 years ago
I love this song because it shows what a world of hate does to the innocent. Afganistan, Iraq and Palestine are all places that can breed hatred because of the terrible lives people there lead. Violence all around. Music is very powerful stuff.
lizziepen1 2 years ago
All you terorists bear in mind the lyeics of the song. is that what you want you? all talk about how your "doing it for Ireland." But can't you see your tearing your fucking country apart! And blame the Why cant you be man enough to end it? Or do you like killing? Do you like seeing mothers, children dead or crying over someone you bastards killed? Do you like the look in their eye! Youve never seen that look you. Its inocents, babies, women, toddlers, children, tourists! That's who you kill!
madmanninc 2 years ago 2
if u can make it thru this without crying you have no soul
WelcomeToDetroitWimp 2 years ago
Great song
Ormond1 2 years ago
It's just so ironic and sad.
yumewoegakuyo 2 years ago
Unless you call being invited into Northern Ireland to help stabilise the situation an invasion, you dont have a leg to stand on.
Melanth89 2 years ago
Maybe you should stop for a moment and realise that the problems of the world arent caused by individuals, countries or even politics but something far more insidious; ignorance. People are people no matter who or where that are, theyre all the same in a world without borders. It was ignorance and mindless hate that kept the Troubles alive, and thats what the song is about; not Catholic, Protestant, British or Irish or anything else. It was people just like you.
Melanth89 2 years ago
i think... some people who don't understand english may think this's a happy song...
WatashiNoYakusoku 2 years ago
i can hardly imagine people who dont understand english using yotube and listening to such kind of songs
but you are right, i had to search the lyrics
riotaboard 2 years ago
i love this ballad, so meaningful
LesCheveuxRoux139 2 years ago
No different family.
omgcecep123 2 years ago
forget the hate and let the music move ur soul
Scourgeoftheearth 2 years ago
I saw him perform at a Socialist rally in Dublin a few months ago.He realy is a very talented man.Someone told me he was related to Bobby Sands.Anyone know if thats true?
2241991BG 2 years ago
I DOnt Think Hes Any Thing To Him Yeno Cos There From Two Different Places
Derektrotter08 2 years ago
What a load of crap read your history before making stupid comments
your nation doesnt even have its own currency having sold out to the European Union The good old punt is long gone
Now you have the Euro and are controlled from EUROPE by the NEW WORLD ORDER your nation is now multicultural
With more IRISH living in the USA than there is in Ireland the RIRA is a pipedream trying to keep alive what no longer exists at least the UK retained its own currency What has EIRRAN retained
thelittleleprechaun 2 years ago
tommy was bobbys brother wasnt he??
basil182 2 years ago
im from scotland and wen i was in high school my r.e teacher sang this song with his guitar infront of the hole asembly and said that he wrote for his freinds allan and sean who really wrote it any one no ??
sams8271 2 years ago
Yes Tommy Sands a great song writer/strory teller wrote it. The events i am sorry to inform you did actually happen. In later years at the request of the families of the two lads killed he stopped singing it and it drifted away until cara dillion changed the names away from the orginal story.
irishgg1981 2 years ago
UH, saoirse, the events depicted in the song actually HAPPENED to two of Tommy's friends. Fortunately, people seem to be saner in the Six Counties than they once were and this type of event is now a rare occurrence, if it happens at all anymore.
KennBurch 2 years ago 3
@KennBurch That it happens at all is a tragedy, and a good reason to keep this song alive.
carollizc 1 year ago
I met him few years ago in Stirling in Scotland. I'm french and he speaks french, it's was funny to found someone who speaks french so far.
A little concert in pub, it was a true pleasure. Sorry for my english
pouipouinette 2 years ago
His wife is French, that would explain why he learned French. That and when he performed with his brothers and sister in the Sands Family band, they frequently toured Europe.
KennBurch 2 years ago
was the tullymore steppin stones in that video does any1 no?
MarkDangerSmith 2 years ago
Ni wants peace-I believe that a new wave of moderate nationalist people should stand together, those who accept that a united Ireland will never happen and so they work to establish a strong and steadfast place for northern nationalist people to lead N.I into a new era. away from the marks and spencer shopping, boiled sweet sucking sdlp and away from the blind romantic shite that SF pump out day in day out.
irishgg1981 2 years ago
Before partition MANY unionists would have considered themselves fully Irish. This is true. i read a book about it. Infact, many unionists were against the idea of partition because they did not want to split Ireland in two... but they DID want to remain part of britain. This hatred for Ireland today by many unionists is completely unjustified in my opinion.
1916ErinGoBragh 2 years ago
I am from ireland and I have moved away to scotland because noone cares here where you are from or what religion you are. I get so ashamed of our country when I read our history. how could we have acted this way. I agree with kingweirdodude -i wouldn't care whether we were united or not. I love both the north and the south. and people cannot tell the difference between our accents anyway!
giantbee89 2 years ago
i am an irish catholic
and i go to sunday mass
and i wont end it normally
for i have too much class
blood & tears have run through the streets of ireland for too long - and them who don't give a feck profit from this.
tis not a catholic-prod thing you see;
for those who take the time to learn the history it is more and even the bad things must end at last.
time to love - fear and lothing are part of the past!
KatyKane 2 years ago 2
This song is great and i don't know whypeople do something like that.
I think you made a mistake with the names his name is not sean his name is john o'malley
LisaSophiechen 2 years ago
Type in "Ulster Plantation " into Google and it might give you the explanation you require. Slán.
nayrtregor 2 years ago
Oh for fuck's sake. Everyone responsible for that has been dead for 300 years--it's not exactly like blaming the Jews for the crucifixion, but it works on the same principle.
typacsk 2 years ago
Pride and ignorance in equal amounts
celticwarrior74 2 years ago
I don't see why Catholics and Protestants can't get along. Why is there so much hatred? I know we have our differences here and there but we are all followers of Christ. I'm a Protestant from the United States, so many there's something I don't understand here. Explain to me why you guys hate each other so much over there.
LCMS343 2 years ago 2
It was never originally about religion at all. Infact, MANY of the founders of republicanism were protestants. It only ever became primarily about religion because the british needed something to blame the situation over here on. It was a way to justify themselves. Of course, now that the british army are gone.. everything is sweet. It has to be said however that currently it is a VERY small minority. the only people who actually care about religion are uneducated baboons!
1916ErinGoBragh 2 years ago
@LCMS343 its very complicated an i mean very its hard to understand you need to live here to understand.....you see ok il try to go 60s onwards when the ira began to defend nationalists who where being attacked by loyalist it made the loyalists retailated its not a religous war its a land war hell it could be muslims an hindus still eventualy the ira got money from america an the loylaists got protection from the army an in the end a peace deal was made thats the easy way to explain
brigeboy95 11 months ago
I don't think anyone should die because of this. I'm born prod, but I wouldn't give a damn if the island was united or we stay british, just whatever ends most peacefully. Sadly things seem to be kicking off again. Too many bigots and narrow minded bastards live here.
kingweirdodude 2 years ago
This just made me cry my eyes out.
LCMS343 2 years ago
wonderful =)
MidgardM 2 years ago
obviously as a republican it would be a disgrace if ireland was under complete British rule. even as a republican i would not be happy to see the six counties simply integrated into the current free state for it is a disgrace 2. Ireland will not be at peace untill it is united and free from britain. a new system of government will be required when the border is removed.
cdoublehs 2 years ago
i would not waste my time reading anything rsf produce, they have no support and no political status, they offer no other way, expect a road that has already been travelled. how is making the same mistakes and experiencing the same deaths going to achieve anything different??
irishgg1981 2 years ago
how old? "current free state"? it's a republic.
superlinfield 2 years ago
just to get two view points, not looking for any arguements:
how would you as a unionist feel if northern ireland were joined into the republic with no more british intervention?
how would you as a republican feel if northern ireland were completely put under british rule with no more irish leaders considered legitimate there?
dantube54 2 years ago
easy listening song, nice. all this sentimentality is great, dnt get me wrong, and innocent death is unfortunate. thing is, thats what happens in war and if ireland is to be united war is the only way, you can all call me mad and watever else u wana say bcuz u wont to fit in with the 'peaceful' community but thats just how it is. yes its a pity that these ppl died and indeed other innocents, but to remove britain through war, which this song is obviously criticizing, is the only way.
cdoublehs 2 years ago
Putting aside questions of exactly who gets killed, how many lives would you consider an acceptable price for a united Ireland?
typacsk 2 years ago
zero deaths would be preferable, but the british occupation makes it impossible for that to be realised. in what way is it acceptable to ride on an aimless wave of sentimentality ignoring the reality of the irish situation??
cdoublehs 2 years ago
I didn't say "preferable," I said "acceptable." I'm assuming you're better informed about the whole issue than I am, but I just want to know if you've thought it through.
typacsk 2 years ago
thought it through?? obviously i have thought it through, its a big part of my life. its not easy to put a number on acceptable death tolls. im sure you can understand that. If it helps at all, i would give my life if i thought it wud gain independence, any1 who wants freedom, really wants freedom, and knows that sacrafice is the only way, then their deaths are acceptable.
cdoublehs 2 years ago 2
im sorry, but your wrong, for so many reasons, 1. ireland has been divided for two long and the peoples either side have far too many differences, like it or lump it, northern ireland people are closer to scots and english in culture and education and nearly every other part of life, if the uk pulled out of n.i the roi could not afford us, as the public sector from britain is a huge part of the local economy! i do wonder what world people with rose tinted glasses live in!! wake up & move on!!
irishgg1981 2 years ago
first off how can i be wrong?? u asked for my opinion and i gave u it. an opinion is not wrong.
also before u make a statement that the roi could not afford "us", go an read some proposed policies, for example rsf's eire nua. i dont support rsf so just read this policy. i also have to reiterate that a united ireland does not mean a simple inergration
cdoublehs 2 years ago
Ireland has been divided for too long? Unionists on the island never associated their culture as being Irish and chose to take on Britain's civic culture (which is as much a cuture as European is). Nationalists deem themselves to be far closer to Irish culture than Unionists do for obvious reasons such as a shared common language (english and irish), sports and traditions. Also globalisation does away the claim that any extreme distinction between cultures which would make unifacation impossible
ralphybhoy 2 years ago
this song really shows how stupid the disputes in Northern Ireland were. Innocent people massacred, and for what? And what's worse, looks like the troubles are coming round again...the IRA killing again. Why can't they see violence isnt the way?!
meehore 2 years ago
respect to tommy and family
windsurfingstevo 2 years ago
And, ps. - I really love the version of Sands. Maybe because I heard it first, in the Polish radio, long time ago. Sands claimed that the song was based on a true story, and that he knew personally the characters...
Ascocenda 2 years ago
Personally I prefer this one because it fleshes out the story more.
typacsk 2 years ago
Why are you fighting about who's better in singing this song?!
That's not the point of both of them singing this song, but to spread the message transmitted.
Both versions are good, I prefer this one, but hers is good as well.
And maybe there will be some other versions of the song someday.
UkeFan 2 years ago
cara dillion is better at singing this song! but an amazing song
simon921996 3 years ago
no hes better at singing this song than dillion. But my old teacher Ms. Flanagan. She knew Ireland's most renowned singer. Tommy makem. He was her mentor. She could sing this better than tommy sand and cara dillion together. I miss her. God rest her soul.
irishpride9999 2 years ago
its a sadness many of us live with, God, dont let it happen again
bigsnowaowan 3 years ago 2
I had the great good fortune of seeing Tommy Sands perform this song at the Milwaukee Irish Fest several years ago. After he finished there was a minute of silence followed by a thunderous standing ovation. It was a fit tribute to this great song about our northern bretherin of all faiths. May peace prevail over the hatred that belongs in the past.
BobWWTN 3 years ago
Frenchengl, I am not Irish, but I'll try to answer. Roses, though they are typical flowers brought to funerals, have highly symbolic meaning here, like 'where are all the flowers gone' by Marlena Dietrich, another anti-war song. Also in Polish tradition, there is a saying 'no time to mourn the roses, when the forests are burning', meaning: in the time of war a single death means nothing, personal feelings ar unimportant.
For me then, 'roses' mean precious human life, lost prematurely...
Ascocenda 2 years ago
what a beautiful song. gereetings from germany
Morgovan 3 years ago
not always i come from a protestant family and my granda had 12 brothers and sisters
TheBobbyJoeShow 3 years ago
people should stop with the 'Catholic and Protestant' thing. It's not about religion, it never has been. It stems back to the history of British imperialism in Ireland. Just like in Iraq, they like to create this fictional tale of two warring tribes and absolve themselves from their murderous rampage. The war in ireland was not to do with religion, unfortunately people on both sides allowed themselves to believe this two tribes nonsense and protestant workers allowed themselves to be fooled
Doniedaff 3 years ago 5
And throw their lot in with their community's middle class leaders, scum like Paisley. When in reality the working class people of the Shankill and the Falls had much in common. There was an opportunity for all irish workers to resist imperialism, whether or not their parents believed that copmmunion bread was the real body of christ or just a symbol.
I'm a republican and Tommy's brother Bobby is a hero of mine.
Doniedaff 3 years ago
However. I wonder would he have done things differently if he knew he was dying so that people like Gerry Adams could help bigoted homophobic scum like the DUP to close hospitals.
Here's to the day where all working class people in Ireland can push for an open, Socialist republic, where the horrors of imperialism and its side products like sectarianism are forgotten.
Doniedaff 3 years ago
Doniedaff, where are you from? did you just state that Tommy and Bobby where brothers? who taught you, your irish history Elton John??? Tommy is part of the Famous Sands Family, famous for their musical talents and from county Down, Bobby MP was born in the loyalist housing of Rathcoole on the out skirts of North Belfast, where he was later burnt out of it and relocated to Republican West Belfast where he joined the organisation which sealed his fate and his place in Irish History and Myth.
irishgg1981 3 years ago
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Doniedaff 3 years ago
Apologies. I had been misinformed about the origins of the Sands family. Other than knowing they existed, I had no real reason to know anything about them, so when someone told me they were the same family as Bobby Sands I just took their word for it, didn't know they were from newry.
Doniedaff 3 years ago
even if in the beggining it wasn;t about religion it now is and always will be things will never be peaceful here i don;t think
TheBobbyJoeShow 3 years ago
I like the soft & tender Cara Dillon version & love the raucous & righteous live band Andy White version (on the "Rare" album) but ta muchly for posting the original, I'd never heard it before.
I love the beautiful working in of Gandhi's drop of wisdom - "An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind"
o0micmac0o 3 years ago
So true and so sad. First heard this by the Woods Tea Co. (RIP Rusty!) Thank you. I'll be singing this song at the peace rally in March 09
HeartoftheDragonColo 3 years ago
just cant beat the original.top class!.
seanyguil09 3 years ago
i live nr st helens and its nothing like that, your either deledud or your very old
Liam2621 3 years ago
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EllieMcTex 3 years ago
I never learned about this conflict when I was in school. Is this stuff going on still today?
tiverty 3 years ago
it stopped in 2007
sadly though some people on both sides just cant move on
y559djr 3 years ago 5
so when did the brits shoot dead british people? why did they not open fire on the miners marches like they did in derry? bollocks to your comments with a due respect
irishgg1981 3 years ago 2
"so when did the brits shoot dead british people?"
Didn't you get any history in school? The Picts, the Scots, the Welsh, the Angles, the Saxons and the Normans all fought wars against each other time and time again.
-jcr
NSResponder 3 years ago
They should translate this song into Hebrew and Arabic and make it compulsory in all Israeli and Arab schools.
Larry11215 3 years ago 3