There is a 70+ Old Englishman that received goldmedals in the olympics & is the main professional fencer that hollywood defers to when swordmanship is needed...
He played Darth Vader in the original starwars, trained the actors in lord of the rings trilogy, & Antonio Banderas in Zoro to name a few...He is an Old Man, &
one of the very BESt of all time, also dont forget blade (1998), and First Knight (final sword fight), and prob many of jackie chan's underrated sword fights
I like that the jackass with the smallsword is arbitrarily fighting using only slashing techniques. That's a thrusting sword, but he's making it as clear as possible that he's the better figher, and he can beat a claymore at its own game.
I love this movie and all, but there's one thing that bothers me: Rob Roy's missus is ugly as sin. I mean, this dude is supposed to be the fucking Terminator of the Highlands and his woman looks about as appealing as a toad impaled on a turtles dick. And at the same time, you look at every OTHER woman in the movie and they're smoking hot. And don't tell me that Jessica Lange can't look hot if they wanted to make her look hot: just take a look at Cape Fear. They got fucking lazy here, is all.
I love your description - "Raped his wife, SHOT HIS DOG and burned his house to the ground". Made me laugh. I put forward Tim Roth as the best movie villian of all time for this role.
I'm not sure than in a fight to the death, you can "cheat"-someone was going to die & the one who was "best" at that moment was going to win. If Roth's character had not gotten so high-and-mighty, he would have figured out that Neeson would be willing to do anything to win....No quarter asked, none given. It was one-on-one, equal weapons....great fight scene-based on my research (for a history project) certainly more realistic than anything I've seen before. Thanks for posting
How can everyone say he cheated, its a sword fight....to tha death!!! There is no cheating!! He wasnt going to win no matter what!! He had to do something that Roth wouldn't do, which is real winning!
Gotta love a good sword fight. In this case the better swordsman lost because he was an arrogant fool. Never take your eyes off your opponent if you can help it.
lol Cheat are you joking in a fight if u are strong enough to grab the little punk with the tiny rapiers lade then so be it. He knew that he was fighting a bloody scott h just wasnt prepared. Grabbing the sword is the same as disarming someone its a technique lol of sorts.
@mongomondomongo not sure how it's cheating when its a fight to the death and he fought by the rules of engagement. Its not his fault Roth's character was overly cocky. Pride comes before fall...in this case quite literally.
Ouch. Went and looked up Tim Roth's Oscar competition. Not Tommy Lee Jones as I had thought--it was Kevin Spacy for the Usual Suspects. Great film, too, though I don't see how Spacy
could outshine Roth in this case.
But the other competitors were also impressive; I am not a huge fan of Brad Pitt, but '96 was the year he was nominated for 12 Monkeys... and Ed Harris to boot.
Roth's villain perhaps set the bar so high Hollywood couldn't see it... remember, 'Brave Heart' won that year... blah
Says who? A duel between two accomplished swordsmen can go on for quite a while. Problem is that the moves they use don't look flashy (read: stupid) enough. None of this stupid windmilling around and pushing when your blades are crossed.
So funny at the end of the scene, the small guy has cut a bunch of cut on the big guy, then the big guy is just like one-hit-K.O. =D That's the advantage of having big sword.
it's funny because those men can't use kicks when fighting, otherwise it'd be much more awesome.
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Ok, let's clear things up. Liam Neeson is from Northern Ireland, which is part of Great Britiain, making him British. The historical figure of Rob Roy is from Scotland, therefore also British.
@Spike2709 So...where are the Irish from? And what about the Scottish? Oh...and I'm not expert, but I think it's "Great Britain" not "Great Britiain". So...I'd have to agree with yeahchris...and it's not just because we have the same name. Ok...I'm going to enjoy the clip.
@Spike2709 Technically, you are correct. But being conquered by another group doesn't change your heritage. The Mongols living in Russia and China are still ethnically different peoples, as are the Indians in the U.S., the Zulus in South Africa, etc.
@Spike2709 If you are correct, and being from North Ireland is considered British, then why is it called "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." Seems to me that even the crown makes the distinction between Northern Irish and British.
Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain you dork, it is part of the United Kingdom. Great Britain specifically refers to island that contains England, Scotland, and Wales only, not the island of Ireland.
@axelightsaber Oh please! Braveheart is a completely inaccurate, overblown and at times just plain wrong portrayal of the Scottish Wars of Independance, that screws up even the most obvious details (the Battle of Stirling Bridge without a brigde?) and demonizes Edward 1st for the sake of a good story! I'm Scottish, and I know not to take it too seriously. Scotland is part of the UK, therefore the Scots are also British.
I understand that. I just thought Lassann has a point worth debating. It isn't 'utter nonnese'. I don't really want to debate a fictional scene to be honest.. But for just for fun....you can see C. is clearly surprised when R. grabs his blade, and I know in fencing you can sometimes just stare dumbly at an opponent when they do something unexpected, and after you can't believe your hesitation. History is filled with moments when people look back and say 'why didn't he do this? It's obvious!'
I think its very easy to have a moment, where you slip into daydream... but I wouldn't think it happened too often in sword fights to the death, stakes are a bit too high.
But Lassann's comment was utter nonsense, agreed perhaps its unkind of me to tell him santa clause isn't real, but at the same time its educational and its a forum with freedom of speech.
But you carry on on your crusade Dogtanian if it helps you sleep at night.
This entire fight, though better than most Hollywood swordfights, still doesn't look like a real fight. However, hard though it may be to understand, grabbing the blade is a valid strategy. It is called 'commanding the blade'. Look it up. I'm a fencer, and dueling history is something I've studied a lot. The swords were rarely razor sharp. It is a desperate move against an edged weapon, no denying that. Just don't be so quite so quick to dismiss things as 'nonsense' based on your own assumptions
I agree grabbing the blade is a legitimate strategy in fencing.
However, neither are using a sword comparable to one used in modern fencing.
Rob Roys is like a cutlass.
Cunninghams is much thicker than a modern fencing sword, it has to be, to stand any chance of not fracturing under the heavy blows of the cutlass type sword Rob Roy has.
My point was, if Cunningham leapt backward, pulling it through Rob Roys hand....
.... then there is no way he can hang onto the sword.
I wasn't quick to judge, I based my opinion on the evidence at hand. I think this is middle of the road as far as sword fights go, with Polanski's Macbeth being the worst.
It is possible to hold the sword in place with the hand, but the srength required has to be immense. With adrenaline, the strength and pain can be dealt with. Rob Roy's fury at the rape of his wife by Roth, and the slaughter of their livestock, and the burning of their home, is the point the scene is making.
if he pulled the sword backwards, pulling it through the hand, providing it was anywhere near sharp, there is no way Rob Roy could have held onto it, angry, strong or not....
You're not even listening to me now, man, that's just rude, you know what I mean? I'm telling you right now, you grab a blade of any kind, except a lightsaber, and grip so that it's wedged into your palm, not your fingers, and it's the same as clapping two hands on either side of a blade and pressing tight.
@ASwordAndAKey Actually Lassann is right and you just sound like an idiot arguing with him. You can't hold onto the blade if the guy with the handle pulls it out of your hand. Why would you argue with that point? Keep holding tight and you'll get your fingers sliced off. Are you that much of a dunce to not realize that? Or do you just want to argue for argument's sake. People like you are so annoying. But, anyway, he hesitated and pretty much got chopped in half. And he had it coming to him.
@Chriscjs Not to be contentious, but what if you bend the sword when you grab it? I've got a friend who fences and says that's possible. Looked like Roth was using a pretty slim blade....
@Chriscjs Actually, there is a technique where you can hold onto a sword without getting your hands cut. You have to hold onto the blade really hard so it doesn't slip and slice your fingers off. I've seen it done with German longswords, but I'm sure it's possible to do it with rapiers too. Probably harder, but probably not impossible.
you can't hold on to a sword like that... it would easily be pulled out of your hand as it slices your skin. And why did he just stand there like an idiot while Rob Roy picks up his sword and swings at him?
Can you believe Tim Roth lost the best supporting actor oscar nod to a mercy oscar for Tommie lee jones in the Fugitive? One of the worst oscar calls in history...
And if I'm not mistaken, isn't that John Hurt? Creepy--even more than his Caligula performance, though not more than his Aliens scene-stealing sequence...
Anyone who dares, come to my house, grap my sword, and you'll see (and, of course, feel ! ), I'd pull it out literally like "a hot knife cutting trough butter" ! Love that movie nevertheless
When you dodge a heavy swing from an opponent it give you an opportunity to quickly counter with a light slash. If your opponent is unskilled with a sword they will likely be sent off balance as well, giving you an opportunity for even a fatal strike
I love this film, its one of my favourites ever! Tim Roth is such a versatile actor. I think the reason I like it so much is because of how scotland has been romanced in this film, that and Rob Roys love of Mary McGregor haha. Traditionally Rob Roys sword was the more common blade for a Scots man, compared to the lighter cutlass used by Archibald and his connection with the court and gentry of the time. A more "civilised" weapon in some respects, but the cleaver wielded by Rob Roy wins the day.
dont be ridiculous he was just lucky,i bet he would have let him alive,also archie died with only onw strike because rob roy sword was a 2 handed one and heavy enough that opened archies ribs
To answer Ralavik's question, what should be noticed is that Archie does not block a lot of Rob attacks. He merely dodges them, sometimes by making Rob's blade slip on his own.
It seems normal to me that Archie's got the advantage, cause he's got a lighter weapon, and is therefore more fast. And also, Rob seems to be less skilled in fencing, and as scumimpaler noticed, must be used to fighting with a shield.
What this scene doesn't prelude to is that heavy blows blocked take their toll on the recipient. I'm not versed in sword fighting but blocking a man who's got a foot on you, and who is more muscled, has got to put strain on your arm. The smaller of the fighters was repelling with one arm as an equal to the bigger fighter. Doesn't seem quite right. Could be wrong, though.
when i first saw this ending of ROB ROY, i saw an alternate ending where RR cuts off the forearm of Archie and runs him through with his sword. Can someone verify?
Most strange stance. Why is Rob Roy standing as if he had a shield??? He exposes his left side again and again. Anyway - I love to watch Archies tricks!
You need to have seen the whole movie not just the fight scene. The dude raped his wife and generally fucked his life up and got away with it. Until the very end Rob finally gets justice.
Feeling pain is mentally exhausting, add that to the moving around, potential blood loss, and the potential muscle damage, cut after cut is going to take it's toll on you faster than you think
Yup. That's also a part of knife fighting. Many knife fighters prefer to cut their opponents rather than seek a single killing blow. Cut their arms and hands, legs if you can. It messes up the way the muscles work, and the bloodloss makes them tired and weak, then the killing blow comes easier.
Once, in a randori, I kept punching my opponent on his left rib. I would evade and counter with the rib punch every time. After about 5 punches, he could barely move and breathe.
we whould have death matches these days instead of pissing around in courts, if some guy raped your wife you should be able to duel him lmao. the justice system would be alot quicker in its dealings of things
The evil character was playing with him he obviously was the better sword man but it was his over confidence..and not listening to the rules ,,in the beginning
so the good guy found a way to win within the rules...the bad guy was blindded by hate..and ego..it was his weakness in the end.
The thing about a fight is that you beat the man you are facing. It doesnt matter if you give him 1 cut in the shoulder or a hundred cuts. If your cut doesn't kill him, it doesn't matter. It doesn;t make you a better warrior or anything. When you face someone, the point is to beat him or kill him. A small cut here and there is just pointless and laughable
Sure, but someone who would master how to fight would ignore that. Your goal isn't to feel pain, it's to be smart to not get cut, but if you do, know that it won't kill you. Don't let it bother you, your opononent wants you to feel the pain and be distracted by it. Show him that getting a small cut here and there is nothing. You keep on coming and forces your enemy to see that toying with you wont work.
Tim Roth is a great actor and he did a great job making Archie villainous. The guy was a prissy fop, but he was by far the best swordsman in the movie. There is an earlier duel where Archie is laughed at for being so prissy up until he shows how deadly skilled he is.
@CravenMorehead3000 Yes your right!THugh, if you combine the two, speed and strength, theyll forget the differences and take over france!
Varyalover 1 year ago
There is a 70+ Old Englishman that received goldmedals in the olympics & is the main professional fencer that hollywood defers to when swordmanship is needed...
He played Darth Vader in the original starwars, trained the actors in lord of the rings trilogy, & Antonio Banderas in Zoro to name a few...He is an Old Man, &
No-Body can touch him with a sword !!!
GILR8 1 year ago
one of the very BESt of all time, also dont forget blade (1998), and First Knight (final sword fight), and prob many of jackie chan's underrated sword fights
PiazzaDePain 1 year ago
Should of chose his lightsaber
RebelDisturbed1 1 year ago
Never bet against Liam Neeson
charlieapeshit 1 year ago
I like that the jackass with the smallsword is arbitrarily fighting using only slashing techniques. That's a thrusting sword, but he's making it as clear as possible that he's the better figher, and he can beat a claymore at its own game.
HangedMan30 1 year ago
so thats what you do if someone puts that sword to your throat you just grab it.
maxgunn555 1 year ago
finishim! fatality! :D
anarkis 1 year ago
I love this movie and all, but there's one thing that bothers me: Rob Roy's missus is ugly as sin. I mean, this dude is supposed to be the fucking Terminator of the Highlands and his woman looks about as appealing as a toad impaled on a turtles dick. And at the same time, you look at every OTHER woman in the movie and they're smoking hot. And don't tell me that Jessica Lange can't look hot if they wanted to make her look hot: just take a look at Cape Fear. They got fucking lazy here, is all.
Suckfest83 1 year ago
"think of me as the sword and you as the scabbard and what a mighty fine fit"
TerryMMA85 1 year ago 2
GREAT MOVIE !
romagman 1 year ago
Tim Roth did a great job as the villain.
rddooley 1 year ago
he shot his dog????!!!
dehro 1 year ago
Best swordfight ever....
morten1975dk 1 year ago
I love your description - "Raped his wife, SHOT HIS DOG and burned his house to the ground". Made me laugh. I put forward Tim Roth as the best movie villian of all time for this role.
jamgilp 1 year ago
One of my all time favorite movies. Way better than Braveheart
sknelptx 1 year ago
I sick of Englishmen been cast as villains.
Hunternet7 1 year ago
"Will you not take my odds, Argyle? I'll give you five on the fop." Great line.
Santosangre 1 year ago
I'm not sure than in a fight to the death, you can "cheat"-someone was going to die & the one who was "best" at that moment was going to win. If Roth's character had not gotten so high-and-mighty, he would have figured out that Neeson would be willing to do anything to win....No quarter asked, none given. It was one-on-one, equal weapons....great fight scene-based on my research (for a history project) certainly more realistic than anything I've seen before. Thanks for posting
Trebuchet1066 1 year ago
whoever has the lighter blade obviously would win regardless of talent
TheBlitz1 1 year ago
i like this part
junthepiper 1 year ago
7:21
CRITICAL HIT!
Zero0050 1 year ago
Liam Neeson = Beast!
jarw28 1 year ago
this is greatest movie ever
Danzig16 1 year ago
Wow!! I can't believe I have never seen this movie. Great fight!!!
Chriscjs 1 year ago
The best swordfight ever in a movie, in my opinion. Thanks for posting this.
interalia1 1 year ago
he also shot his best friend!
irishdave1 2 years ago
thank god he killed that f@#$ lol
souliseone 2 years ago
holy shit is that qui gon ginn?!
SocialistProletariat 2 years ago
Tim Roth was BRILLIANT...the way he moves and walk...is great!!
amoglo67 2 years ago
Tim Roth also did a sword fight scene in the movie, "The Musketeer"....which was amazing!
yellowstoneinc 2 years ago
How can everyone say he cheated, its a sword fight....to tha death!!! There is no cheating!! He wasnt going to win no matter what!! He had to do something that Roth wouldn't do, which is real winning!
yellowstoneinc 2 years ago
nice sword fight, good drama and tension involved. Although the way it ends is disappointing.
djmax2k6 2 years ago
what movie is this?
kingash45bc 2 years ago
It is Rob Roy
SilviosAecios 2 years ago
@kingash45bc What movie is this??? hahahaha You must be either a comedian or the biggest dimwit ever. haha read the bloody title!
Chriscjs 1 year ago
i like the shagging scene
souther 2 years ago
Gotta love a good sword fight. In this case the better swordsman lost because he was an arrogant fool. Never take your eyes off your opponent if you can help it.
jfhburr123 2 years ago
great film
fuhrerschein2008 2 years ago
lol Cheat are you joking in a fight if u are strong enough to grab the little punk with the tiny rapiers lade then so be it. He knew that he was fighting a bloody scott h just wasnt prepared. Grabbing the sword is the same as disarming someone its a technique lol of sorts.
shinhyeon 2 years ago
Dude had to cheat to win and he had the bigger sword. Shoulda brought his light saber. :P
Mr3Skate 2 years ago
He cheated, but it's ok because it was the definition of bad ass
mongomondomongo 2 years ago
@mongomondomongo not sure how it's cheating when its a fight to the death and he fought by the rules of engagement. Its not his fault Roth's character was overly cocky. Pride comes before fall...in this case quite literally.
Chriscjs 1 year ago
@Chriscjs He cheated by being too badass
mongomondomongo 1 year ago
Ouch.
Ballowall 2 years ago
It's beautiful. These men dance the dance of death with beauty.
JeremiahLiend 2 years ago
Hey Vegeta, what does the scouter say about the internet tough guy level on this video's commenters?
swordnerd108 2 years ago
Meme doth not equal intimidation.
halidefox 2 years ago
they wore make up so.... 200
except for the scott
trujew88 2 years ago
I like this. There's no bullshit, no clang-clang-parry-hop-skip-jump. The fighting feels real and unembellished.
LordKrezos 2 years ago 13
@LordKrezos An expert in swordfighting said that this was one of the most realistic duels in movie-history.
ArgHamster 1 year ago
Nothing can beat a Glasgow made Baskethilt
MelodeonJohn 2 years ago
I would have done that also if some pounce had killed my dog
MelodeonJohn 2 years ago 3
Ouch. Went and looked up Tim Roth's Oscar competition. Not Tommy Lee Jones as I had thought--it was Kevin Spacy for the Usual Suspects. Great film, too, though I don't see how Spacy
could outshine Roth in this case.
But the other competitors were also impressive; I am not a huge fan of Brad Pitt, but '96 was the year he was nominated for 12 Monkeys... and Ed Harris to boot.
Roth's villain perhaps set the bar so high Hollywood couldn't see it... remember, 'Brave Heart' won that year... blah
IvyLeagueJunkie 2 years ago
@IvyLeagueJunkie
He was Robbed Royed..
Sorry couldn't help it...
Hunternet7 1 year ago
the small guy was also a cocky twat, got what he deserved lol
Revival1969 2 years ago
cracking actor
boogieboy1974 2 years ago
dude that guy at around 0:48 seconds isnt he oscar from corner gas?
g2loverocknroll 2 years ago
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this one actually isn't as good as the light sabre fight in Star Wars or as Asian movies' sword fights
quanarius 2 years ago
Its the best europe can do. Besides, Qui Gon Jin here knows a thing or two about lightsabers.
chivazrigol 2 years ago
Maybe because it's actually based on reality?
halfassedfart 2 years ago
Bullshit. Those 'swordfights' are meant to look flashy.
halfassedfart 2 years ago
of couse, Movie sword fight are supposed to be flasher.
rehwr 2 years ago
They don't have to be. The problem is that people are fed a diet of bullshit, and they come to think that the bullshit is the real good stuff.
halfassedfart 2 years ago 4
Yes they do a real swordfight only last Ten seconds. Where's the enjoyment in that.
rehwr 2 years ago
Says who? A duel between two accomplished swordsmen can go on for quite a while. Problem is that the moves they use don't look flashy (read: stupid) enough. None of this stupid windmilling around and pushing when your blades are crossed.
halfassedfart 2 years ago 5
Picky Picky Picky, Guess What Nobody cares if it is flashy or not. Its a Fucking MOVIE.
rehwr 2 years ago
So why did you bother commenting in the first place, asshat?
halfassedfart 2 years ago
Because your Half assed comments, you don't know shit!
rehwr 2 years ago
why did men of that time look like women O_O
So funny at the end of the scene, the small guy has cut a bunch of cut on the big guy, then the big guy is just like one-hit-K.O. =D That's the advantage of having big sword.
it's funny because those men can't use kicks when fighting, otherwise it'd be much more awesome.
quanarius 2 years ago
The small guy was toying with Neeson's character. He could have made an end of the fight much earlier, but he wanted to humiliate his opponent.
Also, Rob Roy had been through physical and mental hell in that movie before the duel, while Cunningham was in top shape.
halfassedfart 2 years ago
Well dude its a duel not a fight they're not allowed to kick.
rehwr 2 years ago
Fucking awesome!
ThatKidMichael 2 years ago
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This movie is AWESOME!!!!!!
neofiren 2 years ago
Lol HAX !!!!!!!!!
Even a guy with a skirt looks manlier next to a group of british
gdbaradit 2 years ago 2
Haha you idiot. The "guy in a skirt" is British!
Spike2709 2 years ago
Actually, he's an Irishman, and playing a Scotsman.
yeahchris 2 years ago 9
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Ok, let's clear things up. Liam Neeson is from Northern Ireland, which is part of Great Britiain, making him British. The historical figure of Rob Roy is from Scotland, therefore also British.
So to sum up - British!!!
Spike2709 2 years ago
Oh man, now you're really gonna get thumbs-downed.
yeahchris 2 years ago
Haha doesn't change the fact that I'm right lol
And can we all please get out of the habit of calling him 'the small guy'. That's Tim Roth - one of our most talented actors.
Spike2709 2 years ago
@yeahchris i thumbs down your comment while thumbs upping the latter
TheBlitz1 1 year ago
@yeahchris i thumbsed him up :)
Varyalover 1 year ago
@Spike2709 So...where are the Irish from? And what about the Scottish? Oh...and I'm not expert, but I think it's "Great Britain" not "Great Britiain". So...I'd have to agree with yeahchris...and it's not just because we have the same name. Ok...I'm going to enjoy the clip.
Chriscjs 1 year ago
@Chriscjs
You're an idiot.
cmwissy 1 year ago
@cmwissy And you are impotent eunuch who got neutered prior to puberty. Who really gives a crap about your geography lessons. Just enjoy the clip.
Chriscjs 1 year ago
@Chriscjs
Don't say something completely and utterly retarded if you don't expect a retort.
cmwissy 1 year ago
@Spike2709 Technically, you are correct. But being conquered by another group doesn't change your heritage. The Mongols living in Russia and China are still ethnically different peoples, as are the Indians in the U.S., the Zulus in South Africa, etc.
halleck3 1 year ago
@Spike2709 yeah your an idiot
gingmo 1 year ago
@Spike2709 If you are correct, and being from North Ireland is considered British, then why is it called "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." Seems to me that even the crown makes the distinction between Northern Irish and British.
Andropov40 1 year ago
@Andropov40
Seeing as Northern Ireland is part of the British isles.
Great Britain encompasses the mainland, The British isles has all the rest, the word still stands.
cmwissy 1 year ago
@Spike2709
Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain you dork, it is part of the United Kingdom. Great Britain specifically refers to island that contains England, Scotland, and Wales only, not the island of Ireland.
PyroRapist 1 year ago
@Spike2709 go see Braveheart
then tell ne who is British
axelightsaber 1 year ago
@axelightsaber Oh please! Braveheart is a completely inaccurate, overblown and at times just plain wrong portrayal of the Scottish Wars of Independance, that screws up even the most obvious details (the Battle of Stirling Bridge without a brigde?) and demonizes Edward 1st for the sake of a good story! I'm Scottish, and I know not to take it too seriously. Scotland is part of the UK, therefore the Scots are also British.
andymac4883 1 year ago 3
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@Spike2709 Northern Irish is still Irish though. Tiocfaidh ár lá.
LynchMobster47 1 year ago
@Spike2709 GET LOST.
Zeanu 1 year ago
@yeahchris
Scotland and Ireland are currently part of the British isles.
Although at this point in history - Ireland wasn't officially part of it.
cmwissy 1 year ago
LOL A GROUP OF BRITISH LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Are you a fucking idiot?
STR0093317 2 years ago
absolutly amazing
callumusmaclarunus 2 years ago 2
We shall agree to disagree then!
Hendar23 2 years ago
I understand that. I just thought Lassann has a point worth debating. It isn't 'utter nonnese'. I don't really want to debate a fictional scene to be honest.. But for just for fun....you can see C. is clearly surprised when R. grabs his blade, and I know in fencing you can sometimes just stare dumbly at an opponent when they do something unexpected, and after you can't believe your hesitation. History is filled with moments when people look back and say 'why didn't he do this? It's obvious!'
Hendar23 2 years ago 3
Oh so you agree.
I think its very easy to have a moment, where you slip into daydream... but I wouldn't think it happened too often in sword fights to the death, stakes are a bit too high.
But Lassann's comment was utter nonsense, agreed perhaps its unkind of me to tell him santa clause isn't real, but at the same time its educational and its a forum with freedom of speech.
But you carry on on your crusade Dogtanian if it helps you sleep at night.
ASwordAndAKey 2 years ago
Oh and uh...you're blocked now. Don't feel like arguing. I'm right. Enjoy.
Lassann 2 years ago
Well people generally don't feel like arguing when they have no valid argument of their own to present.
The moral of this story is, don't write utter nonsense.
Put your thinking cap on...
The sword is double edged, pop in your parents kitchen and try it, have some bandages handy and another person present in case you pass out.
ASwordAndAKey 2 years ago
This entire fight, though better than most Hollywood swordfights, still doesn't look like a real fight. However, hard though it may be to understand, grabbing the blade is a valid strategy. It is called 'commanding the blade'. Look it up. I'm a fencer, and dueling history is something I've studied a lot. The swords were rarely razor sharp. It is a desperate move against an edged weapon, no denying that. Just don't be so quite so quick to dismiss things as 'nonsense' based on your own assumptions
Hendar23 2 years ago
I agree it is not the most realistic of duels,
I agree grabbing the blade is a legitimate strategy in fencing.
However, neither are using a sword comparable to one used in modern fencing.
Rob Roys is like a cutlass.
Cunninghams is much thicker than a modern fencing sword, it has to be, to stand any chance of not fracturing under the heavy blows of the cutlass type sword Rob Roy has.
My point was, if Cunningham leapt backward, pulling it through Rob Roys hand....
ASwordAndAKey 2 years ago 2
.... then there is no way he can hang onto the sword.
I wasn't quick to judge, I based my opinion on the evidence at hand. I think this is middle of the road as far as sword fights go, with Polanski's Macbeth being the worst.
ASwordAndAKey 2 years ago
Use the force, dammit! Would have saved you a lot of cuts there
Zero0050 2 years ago 5
It is possible to hold the sword in place with the hand, but the srength required has to be immense. With adrenaline, the strength and pain can be dealt with. Rob Roy's fury at the rape of his wife by Roth, and the slaughter of their livestock, and the burning of their home, is the point the scene is making.
Lassann 2 years ago
Lassann
Crap
if he pulled the sword backwards, pulling it through the hand, providing it was anywhere near sharp, there is no way Rob Roy could have held onto it, angry, strong or not....
ASwordAndAKey 2 years ago
Simple physics. Look it up.
Lassann 2 years ago
Lassann
"simple physics, look it up."
I would think you have never done a physics class in any institution of higher education.
Pop into your kitchen and try the same thing with a long thin blunt knife, you'll get the idea.
ASwordAndAKey 2 years ago
You're not even listening to me now, man, that's just rude, you know what I mean? I'm telling you right now, you grab a blade of any kind, except a lightsaber, and grip so that it's wedged into your palm, not your fingers, and it's the same as clapping two hands on either side of a blade and pressing tight.
Lassann 2 years ago
@ASwordAndAKey Actually Lassann is right and you just sound like an idiot arguing with him. You can't hold onto the blade if the guy with the handle pulls it out of your hand. Why would you argue with that point? Keep holding tight and you'll get your fingers sliced off. Are you that much of a dunce to not realize that? Or do you just want to argue for argument's sake. People like you are so annoying. But, anyway, he hesitated and pretty much got chopped in half. And he had it coming to him.
Chriscjs 1 year ago
@Chriscjs Not to be contentious, but what if you bend the sword when you grab it? I've got a friend who fences and says that's possible. Looked like Roth was using a pretty slim blade....
halleck3 1 year ago
@Chriscjs Actually, there is a technique where you can hold onto a sword without getting your hands cut. You have to hold onto the blade really hard so it doesn't slip and slice your fingers off. I've seen it done with German longswords, but I'm sure it's possible to do it with rapiers too. Probably harder, but probably not impossible.
Zero0050 1 year ago
you can't hold on to a sword like that... it would easily be pulled out of your hand as it slices your skin. And why did he just stand there like an idiot while Rob Roy picks up his sword and swings at him?
shaun3701 2 years ago 2
Ivy LeagueJunkie - I think it was actually Kevin Spacey for "The Usual Suspects" - which makes for a tough call;two memorable "bad guy" performances.
SeryiVolk2009 2 years ago
Can you believe Tim Roth lost the best supporting actor oscar nod to a mercy oscar for Tommie lee jones in the Fugitive? One of the worst oscar calls in history...
And if I'm not mistaken, isn't that John Hurt? Creepy--even more than his Caligula performance, though not more than his Aliens scene-stealing sequence...
IvyLeagueJunkie 2 years ago 3
John Hurt is in this film.
Tim Roth portrayed the best villain I have ever seen in film. His performance was outstanding.
Scionification 2 years ago
ah, shoulda just finished him off when he had the chance. Stupid bad guy.
alexpdog 2 years ago 3
Completely excellent!
smegweevil 2 years ago
I love films where they're not obsessed with BIG music. You cannot beat a great NON musical final !!
tonypap1 2 years ago 2
i agree
schoentje1997 2 years ago
I wonder if they did their own stunts.
I4gotmyMANTRA 2 years ago
Hey, you dreamers.
Anyone who dares, come to my house, grap my sword, and you'll see (and, of course, feel ! ), I'd pull it out literally like "a hot knife cutting trough butter" ! Love that movie nevertheless
MegaLiopleurodon 2 years ago
When you dodge a heavy swing from an opponent it give you an opportunity to quickly counter with a light slash. If your opponent is unskilled with a sword they will likely be sent off balance as well, giving you an opportunity for even a fatal strike
Ironfootx 2 years ago
The one who win was fighting dirty at the end.. Really evil :(
Scipion121212 2 years ago
@Scipion121212 You must not have seen the whole movie. Trust me, the evil one lost in this one.
Chriscjs 1 year ago
I love this film, its one of my favourites ever! Tim Roth is such a versatile actor. I think the reason I like it so much is because of how scotland has been romanced in this film, that and Rob Roys love of Mary McGregor haha. Traditionally Rob Roys sword was the more common blade for a Scots man, compared to the lighter cutlass used by Archibald and his connection with the court and gentry of the time. A more "civilised" weapon in some respects, but the cleaver wielded by Rob Roy wins the day.
TheHeroRio 2 years ago
sweet Mr.Oragne vs. Qui-Gon-Gin
PFreakyPFister 2 years ago
ehehehehehe!
I4gotmyMANTRA 2 years ago 2
Archie keeps cutting him up a little.
Rob Roy takes all those cuts because he's a fighter, a real fighter.
He was perfectly willing to take all those cuts, to grasp that blade, because he knew he only had to cut Archie once.
Viscupelo 2 years ago
dont be ridiculous he was just lucky,i bet he would have let him alive,also archie died with only onw strike because rob roy sword was a 2 handed one and heavy enough that opened archies ribs
fuckmyassgirl 2 years ago 2
fuckmyassgirl (such a romantic pseudonym =P)---->
Rob's sword's definitely not two-handed (sorry, I know this isn't important but I couldn't help notice)
owlnemo 2 years ago
The sword fight is good, really.
To answer Ralavik's question, what should be noticed is that Archie does not block a lot of Rob attacks. He merely dodges them, sometimes by making Rob's blade slip on his own.
It seems normal to me that Archie's got the advantage, cause he's got a lighter weapon, and is therefore more fast. And also, Rob seems to be less skilled in fencing, and as scumimpaler noticed, must be used to fighting with a shield.
owlnemo 2 years ago
What this scene doesn't prelude to is that heavy blows blocked take their toll on the recipient. I'm not versed in sword fighting but blocking a man who's got a foot on you, and who is more muscled, has got to put strain on your arm. The smaller of the fighters was repelling with one arm as an equal to the bigger fighter. Doesn't seem quite right. Could be wrong, though.
Ralavik 2 years ago
its good but best swordfight ever is still a bit far...
guileniam 2 years ago
when i first saw this ending of ROB ROY, i saw an alternate ending where RR cuts off the forearm of Archie and runs him through with his sword. Can someone verify?
kjkola 2 years ago
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activeknight 2 years ago
Most strange stance. Why is Rob Roy standing as if he had a shield??? He exposes his left side again and again. Anyway - I love to watch Archies tricks!
scumimpaler 2 years ago
Rob Roy's history with Cunningham parallels William Wallace's with the governor of Lanark in 13th century Scotland. The same kind of abuse.
Cunningham looked better in the wig.
Liam Neeson shone in this film.
bookkeeper57 2 years ago
pwned
ellabella270 2 years ago
"This sword fight sucked"
Who let this fucker in!?
aburg10s 2 years ago 4
"Who let this fucker in!? "
Sorry man. The bouncer had the night off.
yeahchris 2 years ago
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this sword fight sucked
FirstLock 2 years ago
It was ok, but I couldn't call it inspiring or anything...
waytoocrazy 2 years ago
You need to have seen the whole movie not just the fight scene. The dude raped his wife and generally fucked his life up and got away with it. Until the very end Rob finally gets justice.
BMac7773 2 years ago
The ending was the best part.
BMac7773 2 years ago
Liam Neeson is a bad ass through and through... best sword fight ever!
xXthefuzzmancomethXx 2 years ago
He would have lost had the other guy taken him seriously, and not toyed with him at the end.
nate556 2 years ago
What say you, that Archie doesn't know arse from quim??
marzzz1 2 years ago
It is years, Your Grace, since I buggered a boy... And in my own defense, I must add, I thought him a girl at the moment of entry
fuckmyassgirl 2 years ago 5
Owned.
miniwelnick15 2 years ago
Damn. That's a whole lot'a badass!
DerrickCole 2 years ago
i like the cut of archy's jib
ebonyflesh69 2 years ago
Somebody should have been bobbing and weaving !!
LASTINLIVE 2 years ago 2
Feeling pain is mentally exhausting, add that to the moving around, potential blood loss, and the potential muscle damage, cut after cut is going to take it's toll on you faster than you think
z34l0u5 2 years ago 3
Ah true... Half a dozen minor blows are just as deadly as one major one.
Lathox 2 years ago
Yup. That's also a part of knife fighting. Many knife fighters prefer to cut their opponents rather than seek a single killing blow. Cut their arms and hands, legs if you can. It messes up the way the muscles work, and the bloodloss makes them tired and weak, then the killing blow comes easier.
Once, in a randori, I kept punching my opponent on his left rib. I would evade and counter with the rib punch every time. After about 5 punches, he could barely move and breathe.
nate556 2 years ago
archy is soooo short
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ScottishRepublican 2 years ago
we whould have death matches these days instead of pissing around in courts, if some guy raped your wife you should be able to duel him lmao. the justice system would be alot quicker in its dealings of things
templepilot666 2 years ago
Yeah! Damn Geneva Convention...
akumacornflakes 2 years ago
The evil character was playing with him he obviously was the better sword man but it was his over confidence..and not listening to the rules ,,in the beginning
so the good guy found a way to win within the rules...the bad guy was blindded by hate..and ego..it was his weakness in the end.
jafarinhas 2 years ago 5
The thing about a fight is that you beat the man you are facing. It doesnt matter if you give him 1 cut in the shoulder or a hundred cuts. If your cut doesn't kill him, it doesn't matter. It doesn;t make you a better warrior or anything. When you face someone, the point is to beat him or kill him. A small cut here and there is just pointless and laughable
Excalibur01 2 years ago
It has a demoralicing effect though, and pain can make it harder to concentrate.
Think about it, if you are cut serval times, even if the cuts are shallow, you will feel inferiour to your opponent.
And this fight scene just get better every time I see it.
plaparen 2 years ago
Sure, but someone who would master how to fight would ignore that. Your goal isn't to feel pain, it's to be smart to not get cut, but if you do, know that it won't kill you. Don't let it bother you, your opononent wants you to feel the pain and be distracted by it. Show him that getting a small cut here and there is nothing. You keep on coming and forces your enemy to see that toying with you wont work.
Excalibur01 2 years ago
Yeah, but doing that takes effort and energy that you can't spare.
Rob Roy could probably deal with the pain or him losing energy, but not both.
plaparen 2 years ago
7:11 - very metal
swah555 2 years ago 3
Manliest sword fight ever. Especially at the noise at the end of it where Rob cleaves Archibald in half- "RRUAAAGGGGH."
spinhook888 2 years ago 4
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the guy in blue shudve jus killed him when his sword was at his neck. his own honor cost him XD. the hero has less honor than the villain lolol.
ytv122 2 years ago
I don't think it was honor, he was just showing off, trying to intimidate liam neeson's character.
icetrey87 2 years ago 2
Rob Roy just knows how to fight instead of "duel."
spinhook888 2 years ago
Tim Roth is a great actor and he did a great job making Archie villainous. The guy was a prissy fop, but he was by far the best swordsman in the movie. There is an earlier duel where Archie is laughed at for being so prissy up until he shows how deadly skilled he is.
sableghost 2 years ago 8
QUI GON JINN
tehprojektzero 2 years ago 5
Think there was a part missing here to make this a truly great sword fight scene..
Rob Roy should have said "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." Really lacked that intensity of Inigo Montoya. Shame.
rofldinho 2 years ago 4