The problem for Lockheed Martin is that they don't have another talented engineer like Clarence Leonard "Kelly" Johnson.
The problem with the DoD is that they're so caught up in big, highly featured, expensive planes. The USAF ran into this problem before (Vietnam era), and the Lightweight Fighter Mafia had to fight the system that resulted in the F-16.
One should take a leaf out of simple, yet effective designs like Northrop's T-38/F-5/F-20 family and the McDonnell Douglas A-4 Skyhawk.
It is the same story. USA developes new tech, and Russia improves it 10-20 years later (F14/15/16/18 vs laters but newers Mig29/Su27). F22 was the best until the PAK FA which is better in all possibles scenarios. USA must research a new aircraft again, but out of the cold war, with Russia as an potential ally of NATO, maybe is not urgent.
I Believe if they had chosen the YF-23 Black Widow II, They may not have had the same problems, because the it was more stealthier, faster and had more mobility, than the F-22, BUT talks came up that F-22 was cheaper but thats a lie.....
Australia isn't getting the F-22. Congress won't allow it for export. We're getting the F-35 instead...Or more Super Hornets if F-35 project is delayed further.
The reason it took so long is because the F-22 is the most advanced war fighter in the world. No other country has a fighter that can do what the F-22 can do. And yes the F-18 can fill a lot of roles today but the F-22 represents future air dominance.
WW2's f-4 wildcat could not keep up or out fly the japanese zero. but it was a tough solidly built plane and when you fly in groups and stick to your wingman the zero couldnt compete we come home riddled with holes but still flying and zeros didnt. the f-14 tomcat is an example of cost. in its time it was one of the best if not the best in its role but it was way to expensive to maintain.
Lol, the North Vietnamese only had just over a dozen Migs 21s and Mig17s in total. Roughly 18.
Yes, the U.S did loose quite alot of fighters, but that was due to the shear fact that the North Vietnamese defended their cities with a swarm of SAM sites and AAA flank guns. The shear numbers of those, effectively worked to bring jets down, but still, the U.S reigned with airpower superiority over Vietnam eventually.
@rugby86 The biggest reasons that the US lost some of their planes in Vietnam and in the end the war was the way that Vietnamese people are and the indecision of the US government.
Because it corrodes to easily, it's flight computer cannot fly in the rain, and it needs 30 hours of maintenance for 2 hours of flight. Plus it cost about the third of the price of an aircraft carrier.
The US averages 20 years between having it's most Advanced technology and actual showcase. I don't have proof of this but mark my words...the the F22 was limited because we knew a pilotless drone WITH thrust vectoring technology is around the corner....I guarantee it exists! A human is fragile and can only take 10g's for a short period of time...take out the human and 100 hr missions are possible with aerial refuelers also you can manuever at mind boggling g's without a human and thrust v tech.
@sihsobhk No the air force and navy both have their eyes set on the F35 as well as drones...These days we buy drones like crazy in comparison to fighters anyway. Isreal has it's own HEAVILY modified F16i. In the future expect drones to be everywhere at all times. A member of military gets 65ish years of pay for only 20 years of service. That's a lot of money between pay, healthcare, daycare, on and on. When was the last time a drone asked for any of that?
The number one thing that always HAS and always WILL crack me up is the average American's defintion of STEALTH itself. The number 1 comment I see online is...when people try to give the definftion of stealth a "black" or "white" defintion when there are a MILLION shades of gray. The ACTUAL defintion of stealth comes down to a defintion known as "radar cross section". Long story short there are a MILLION shades of gray only when comaring conventional aircraft, vs level 1,2, or 3 stealth.
What is better? A single F22 for a REDICULOUS amount of money being replaced 6 times a DAY over a small gegraphic region....or having 100 drones doing lazy S patterns in the same small amount of area? There is no need to play the ostrich game on an online forum....the United States has NEVER EVER, EVER FUCKING EVER, NEVER WILL EVER, YOU DESERVE A BITCH SLAP EVER point for saying.....we NEVER EVER EVER replace a weapon unless a better one is available: perfect example "Space Shuttle" vs X37.
I would rather 100 drones fly over a country vs 1 plane that cost almost the same....add in the cost of multiple plane pilots (6) a day vs 1 computer. 1 military person gets 45 years of pay for ONLY 20 years of service vs having an UNLIMETED # of drones that NEVER ASK FOR RETIREMENT PAY OR PENSIONS!
A human can be in the air less hours than a typical man/woman in a given word day for obvious reasons......compare that to a SMART network of drones rotating geographic regions WHILE sharing radar info....pretty soon a NETWORK of 50 drones has a PERFECT and OVERALL radar image of an ENTIRE country even though a single f22 could only give a fractional point of view....Also no F22 will ever fly over another country in the name of "reverse engineering" and for a good cause
Today's warefare isn't against country "A" vs country "B" when there are only a couple hundred countries in the world. The challenge of America today is, "country ""A"" vs a LMFAO SMALL # of people 15,000 at most spread between an ENTIRE country....or geographical region depending on your defintion of either. PERFECT EX: What is better? A single F-22 replaced every 4 hours (6) times a day over Afginistan...OR 36 drones doing lazy S patterns over the same area for the same cost..6 jets vs 36!!!!
...hits AT ALL. Wow, does that BLINDLY speak ignorance....why should I BOTHER with comments....The F22 was created "in the name of "BIG collective government ""A"" vs "BIG collective government ""B"". What a coincidence AFTER RUSSIA WENT BANKRUPT THE US DECIDED 187 should be enough for it's FLEET of F22 strategically spread across Guam, Hawaii, Alaska, California, and the East coast.
Would a pro speaker spend much of his time debating with elementary kids...no. Would a semi-pro speaker with a special emphasis of aerospace and electronics spend much time on youtube forums....no. Why spend a minute per sentence only to be outnumbered by middleschoolers who have Playstation references at best...Ugh I'm bored so let's get started...For starters yes, whoever made this video needs to congradualate himself...not because he's abnormally smart...but because he has managed to get 70k
This is because they will start production of the F35... Lol. They can keep up with it. Lockheed Martin is amazing, I don't like the maker of this video. Sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Concentrate the money used to build these expensive Jets to the recovery of US economy, HOWEVER, do not stop the research of better jets man or unman.
The future is in DRONES DRONES DRONES! The Air Force and Navy have been buying/building drones and an exponential rate. Why? It's a lot more efficient to have 36 drones doing lazy S Patterns of Afganistan waiting for an airstrike to be called in VS launching a strike by man and having to wait from plan, to launch time, to execution. Also let's not forget you can buy 36 drones for the cost of a F22. Also, no lives are lost, it cost millions of dollars to train a single pilot, and psyc warefare!
Our air power is old and is facing a serious problem. I say cancel the f-35 and invest in 4.5. Generation aircraft instead such as the Super Hornet, F-15S Silent Eagle, F-16 block 60 etc.
The stealth should be dropped on dog fighters. Once the enemy can detect you stealth all you have is a bad handling plane. The US planes need to be able to beat Chinese and Russian planes in dog fights. Stealth can be used in other areas. Make fast maneuverable and technology advanced planes with stealth that doesn't hurt performance.
The poster of this clip is an intellegent person. Besides, the days of stealth may be numbered anyway. The soviets and china have been able to 'acquire' data from the U.S. that makes stealth aircraft as unsustainable as the F22 faptor, financially speaking. Hes also right in saying the most technologically advances aircraft doesn't necessirially mean you have the best fighters. F22 raptor just became a footnote in ameican aviation history.
the future of the US air force is hyper sonic planes capable of space flight like the supposed aurora. and we already have these prototypes. also if we didnt have these proto types that are about to go into production I dont think we have put a hold on F-22 product.
It may be that drones will be the way to the future, replacing actual pilots for the sake of the low cost. After all, you can easily turn out many drones, but it takes time to train a competent pilot.
Um, the P-51 demolished even the top Fw-190's due to Laminar Flow wings, a TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE that gave it great maneuverability, speed, and range. The Mig-15's outnumbered the F-86 Sabers in Korea, we won due to pilot training. Vietnam saw the F-4 had a better Kill ratio than the Mig-19 or Mig-21's so i don't know what you are talking about...
jjuuust a quik comment on the p-51 , it was not less capable unless u compared it to their m3-262 because of its new jet tech, the p-51 was one of the most efective planes in the air not because of its # but because of its capability to other planes all in all i think it was #2 in the sky because of some technilogical advances we just didnt have to germany
In a word? We're boned. It took 30 years to get the F22 from idea to operational while the Chinese took less than a decade to catch up with the J20 off of tidbits or espionage combined with schematics for parts of it that were outsourced to them. They have more people and manufacturing capability than us, Russia's new stealth fighter shows a ton of promise, and right now most of our "allies" are bankrupt financially, don't support us fully, and have their own new toys to play with.
well they already made over 150 f-22s so i think they just halted for the moment because they prolly thought they didnt need to make any more. its not like its up for sale to other countries anyway you know.
The US has more than enough weapons in its arsenal to deter any attack from any enemy. Why waste money on F22? Save the money to reduce the budget deficit before the weight of its debt destroys the country. A financially weak US is neither good for the American people nor the rest of the world.
here is the truth the reason why its stopped is because of the cost. its been canceled because stealth is expensive but thats not the entire truth STEALTH as we all call it is obsolete its uneeded by the military thats why the European Union decided to make the Euro Fighter Typhoon instead of a Stealth aircraft. and i know what you are all gunna say well russia has one well look at the facts Russias military has always been behined! We should make more drones instead no need of stealth less cost
You have forgotten to mention the F-22 is more expensive to maintain than the F-14. It does'nt even have the reliablility of the F-14. Point being here is the F-14 was phased out due to low reliability and cost. When you consider the fact stealth technology is completely defeatable by simple dopler radar, you have a white elephant. Also added to this is the fact the F-22 is not as manueverable or survivable as the F-15 (the plane it is supposed to replace), you end up with a disgusting waste
Drones are the future. Manned avionics are too costly and too limited for most duties. You can throw 15 cheap drones at a problem compared to one of these. There may also be other next gen platforms - superior to this one, that we aren't aware of. Hopefully they are less costly as well, as we can no longer afford these budgetary shenanigans. Drone warfare is the future.
The only way that I will ever believe that the F-22 is justified is for me to hear a guy who was shot down by 1 say: I didnt see anything, i was flying to deliver my payload package on New York.. checked radar, glanced at my fuel..then heard my plane explode.
Anyone who wants to know anything about the future of air superiority, read Carlo Kopp's lengthy but incredibly concise comparative analysis in Australian Air Power of the F-22 in light of current and near-future 5th gen fighters and ground-based AA defenses.
Long story short, sizeable procurement of the F-22 in the range of 600-700 fighters and complete scrapping of the F-35 is the only way to maintain air superiority in the future. Period.
Unfortunately 5th gen isn't our unique advantage anymore. Russia and China are both developing stealth fighters which are not only comparable to the venerable raptor, but will become proliferated into the arsenal of any country willing and able to buy them, and most of which are NOT our allies.
I would agree that the F-22 can take on any number of any 4th or even 4++ gen fighter, but when the enemy also has stealth, that's when the tables turn.
@Spjungen ehh not really i mean it comes down to pilot training. take example WW2 in the pacific Japan had advantage of the less heavy more manovarable planes what happen the Navy Pilots developed skill to compete to the japanese plane
@Spjungen Well, what about the Germans they're allies, and they bought quite a few MiG 29's ... Who's to say they won't buy the Sukhoi T50 or the Chinese J20 ...
@o0haltsMaul My bad , I didn't mean to say buy .. What I should have said was They Acquired a few MiG 29's after the reunification of Germany ... Oh yeah it was around 10 - 12 something years ago ... They already sold them to the Polish airforce .. After that I don't know what the polish did with them, I think they have it ... :) ... God Bless and Thanks again ...
Also.. as for Vietnamese success against the F-4 Phantom? Numbers had little to do with that. Our pilot trainers were outright idiots. Entirely too much focus as well as faith was put into missiles, which at the time were EXTREMELY unreliable, especially the Sparrow. Dogfighting was erroneously said to be "a thing of the past", and so no real dogfighting training was done. Furthermore, while the F-4 wasn't agile, its speed offset that, but its greatest flaw at the time? Lack of a gun.
Honestly, theres no point in building more than 187 of them unless we were planning on exporting. It isn't cancelled, the production has been halted. 187 F-22s is already enough to take on every single 4th Generation fighter out there, no point in building a swarm of them.
@babykevinxoxo Yes, because buying thousands of aging F-16s which are already outperformed by newer Russian designs would be a better use of it, right? Not to mention, we don't even have that many fighter pilots?
you are very right about a lot of things. heres what i think: the f-22 has small numbers and will have a very high kill to loss ratio against any fighter (i even think the pak fa and j-20) and then we are going to have an extremely large number of f-35s which are also extremely capable. i think the air force and navy would have no problems wit hair superiority in future conflicts.
The F-22 has so many problems that it amazes me it was ever put into production! 1. The f-22 cannot communicate. The pilot is totaly isolated from the outside world. 2. The high tech stealth skin can't take on rain without major repairs, which means the f-22 is grounded on a rainy day! 3. For every hour this plane is in the air, it needs 30 hours of maintenance.
The fact that this plane ever made it to productiion is proof that the Pentagon is in bed with Lokheed-Martin!
Just so everyone know's the F-35 (the Navy's version of the f-22) got turned down because it has one engine not two. On the flight deck of an aircraft carrer there are potential fod hazards. For example if a f-35 fod's out it's single engine how is it supposed to get back to the ship? If a f-18 fods out a engine it still can fly with a single engine. The F-18 is more than above and beyond what any other country has. With the Pilots flying the F-18 America can go without the F-22 or F-35.
@rooky1989 The F-35 is the result of the Joint Strike Fighter programm. It has not much to do with the F-22. There are two versions of it, one for the Navy with the ability of vertical take-offs and one for the airforce without it. Also the F-18 isn't so advanced as you say. Many countries in europe have already better fighters than the F-18 (Eurofighter Typhoon). So do china (J-20) an russia (Su-27 series). The only benefits of the F-18 are a short take-off and low produktion cost.
The Money the US government spent In the Wars In Afganastan Iraq and Lybia we could have baught about 500000 F-16S. This how stupid our goverment waste tax payers money!
But they haven't stopped it, in my opinion they need to let friendly countries, like mine, Canada, buy these jets, we could seriously put them to work!
The comment about the F4s in Vietnam, the F4s won 9 times out of 10, why? because they had a faster, more highly armed, and tougher aircraft, the NVA just sent up guys who hd done basic training, nothing else
Trust me when I say this, if American put this much work into jets, they
Viet. beat F-4 because of the tech problems with the F-4. No gun and missiles missed 80%+ of the time. WWII, yes, I'll grant you the numbers advantage. But it was more than 5 to 1. We don't have that anymore. In Red Flag (AF training program), 2 F-22's 'fought' more than a dozen F-15's and cleaned house. Tell me numbers are good enough.
Also, the F-22 wasn't originally that expensive per plane. Congress cut the order by 2/3, R&D and production costs still had to be met. Price skyrocketed :(
Well, first off, engineering a jet that advanced is very difficult. Difficult = lots of money. It also means that they weren't necessarily dragging their heels. The main issue of the F-22 is finding a way to make a stealth fighter that is highly maneuverable. This had never been done and therefore the F-22 was pioneering. Granted I love F/A-18s the most. But you honestly failed to recognize these factors. They will probably look into making the build process more cost efficient.
Fighters don't need stealth. I love the FA-22, I love everything about it. It's amazing, it has a beautiful shape and outstanding flight charachteristics. I don't think it needs stealth though. Why is it called a fighter if it's trying to be stealthy? That's for bombers and those don't carry the armery of fighters to be able to dog fight. I think the skin of the aircraft that helps absorb radar waves, isn't needed. You don't need stealth to make a great fighter. You need a great pilot.
I think F-22 is one of the top 5 best fighter jets in the world. We also have the most experienced pilots in the world which adds a major plus. All of our allies will be having F-35's soon, another 5th generation fighter jet. We need something to separate us from the rest of the world and the F-22 is that jet. If its not the F-22, its definitely not the F-35. We need a 5th generation fighter jet that will dominate the sky's to ensure our national security.
@bRizzle2009100 Why you need something to separate from the rest of the world? Just for the ego? The bad news is that now the economic scenario is way worse than in the 80s. Your national security is at least 75% guaranteed by physically being thousand of miles away from the rest of the world.
@alamos8 No not of ego reasons. For national security purposes. I want to be protected by the best of the best. I don't want to have the same technology/military as everyone else does. I want my nation to have the very best. I want my nation to have an edge over everyone else so its citizens can be well protected.
And this isn't the 18th century. Just because we are surrounded by lets say thousands of miles or sea doesn't mean that no one get to us. 21st century technology has changed that.
@bRizzle2009100 I can see you reasoning, but indeed all the major powers can think the same, which as always and if not stopped somehow, leads to a weapon scale. The other has that, I need to beat that, and so on... the scenarios has changed without the soviets. China is maybe now the other major opponet in weaponry, but for now their materila is less advanced. And on the other side, neither the F18s nor the F22s could have avoided the sad 11s. Apart from that, the F22 is a cool looking plane...
Comparing the F-22's role to the role of the F-4 in Vietnam is foolish. The difference between these two aircraft is astronomical as well as their tactical abilities. Yes, there was a problem with OBOGS but that has been rectified and the F-22 fleet is back in business. 100 F-22's is more than enough. The F-18 may have a low stealth cross-section, but again it's nowhere near the F-22. In simulated battle, ONE F-22 can put down 6-7 F-15/16s at point blank range without even showing up on radar.
IMO, develop F35 is waste of money, F35 suppose to be an aircraft that can be used by "all force", but... For airforce, it can replace F16, but partly cross the row of F22 and Predator. For Navy, they just got new F18 E/F, I don't think they want to give up it yet... And for Marian, It replaces AV8B, but too costy for them. And Army, F35 can replace F16, but same old reason, too costy...
Way of USA... spend alot of money to achieve what other can do with just a nickel... back in day of space race, US spend around 1.5mil trying to create a type of pen that will work in out space, and end up as the ballpoint pen that we r using now... But Russia just give their spaceman pencil...
dude you think your sooooo smart. you think you know,but you have no idea. just keep your nose in that book your reading and leave the real work to us guys who know what the hell we're doing.
Ok after watching LOTS of jet videos something I have to wonder is how can you use something thats supposedly more manueverable than say an f-18? ive seen videos where a pilot or trainee blacks out in a high G maneuver. What is the point in adding thrust vectoring and more controll surfaces when that will just cause the guy flying its brain to be deprived of oxygen?
@homebrewman23 I always wondered that too, The limiting factor in turning a jet is the human body. That's why they are taking them out.
But I have seen an F-22 following an F-15 and it squared off the corners. I would not want to dog fight one, they don't need to fly to stay in the air.
FIRST OFF, THE F22 WAS NOT COMPLETLY CANCELED, IT WAS STOPED TEMPORARILY FROM NOT ONLY COST. THERE IS A FATAL FLAW IN THE AIRCRAFT THAT IS POISONING PILOTS. THEY THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ON-BOARD OXYGEN GENERATION SYSTEM OR OBOGS.BLOOD TESTS IN PILOTS SHOW HIGH LEVELS OF TOXINS.AND IF YOUR WONDERING WERE I AN GETTING THIS INFO, IT IS FROM PAGE39 OF THE OCTOBER, 2011 EDITION OF COMBAT AIRCRAFT MONTHLY MAGIZENE. PLEASE READ THE WHOLE ARTICAL FOR MORE INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@TheKiwibirder A limited number will be made, and im talking literally a handful at most. Its a fact, for fuck sake what is it with you fucking sourpuss Americans...facts are FACTS...the jet itself has been proven as being a weak aircraft, with limited survivability.
the F-35 with it's vertical take off capability looks like a joke." Looks can be deceiving, the F-35's VTOL eliminates nearly all the problems the harrier style VTOL has. Further more there are 3 main models of F-35, only 1 of them has VTOL the rest are conventional flight and cheaper to build
"where do you place the gas tank?" Not too familiar with aircraft design are you? Fuel is usually stored in self sealing bladders held in the wings.
not sure what the point of this video is...almost everything you said in the video as "fact" isnt actually true... and the difference between an F-22 and other platforms is like comparing a Ferrari to a Chevy Cruze =) Go apply for MSNBC i'm sure they'd hire you as a news anchor! Haha
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You fail to mention the combat tests over Alaska where one F-22 went up agents eight FA-18 super hornet's and took them all down repeatably
We have to many Accountants making choices about whats better for our men same people that gave our troops a rabbit gun(m-16)more cost affective less killing affective
the US will have a massive fighter shortage when the F-15 air-frame gives in plus the F-16, F-35 will just end up being scaled back by 2015 (Prediction) due to increased defense cuts
I spoke to a pilot on this matter. The F-22 was not cancelled. Their just capping production to 187 units and preserving the line and tooling incase we really need to build more planes or order parts to keep the ones in service now in the air.
I think we should buy the J-20 instead ... it's one quarter the cost - fairly stealthy - and, though a little less capable in high speed engagements, it's superior down and dirty - in a knife fight where they are likely to be engaged anyways. Granted, it is less expensive for a reason - so, instead of buying one-for-one - we should buy two for one and keep the spares ... as, well. ... spares. :)
@GeforcerFX does not matter, can be run on microwave and like weaponry changed in fligt, can be like squared or cubed etc. we got alien tech because of roswell can even alter to match anything anywher doesn't matter fu anybody
The future is un-manned. Lets just go there. Imangine 500 6 foot long drones all controlled by computer programs that cordinate seamingly crazy flight paterns. Flight programs selected real time by an operator. Price is a fraction of manned craft. Also, lets play to out strengths. We are fat, out of shape and not well educated. But man can we play vidieo games. Jump to the future.
@thepollywog1 In Vietnam, they realized that a gun was actually a really good idea on a fighter jet after all. You'll come around. After its too late.
DUDE!!!! Its not Vietmanese !!!! its Vietnamese. Damn that was irritating hearing keep saying it wrong!!! If you are gonna try to sound intelligent get your vocabulary correct!
the Mig 44 the sukoi T50 Terminator are both what the raptor never was this is Reality not hollywood n the eurofighter is possibly the 3rd cause they where all designed not to line the pockets of the rich but to be top fighters not saying americans couldn't do it of course they could (they did it in the past) if they gave the manufacturing to the most able Not the best connected politically purely for personal profits for the elite at taxpayers expense
its Not plain awsome, it doesn't fly awsomly it was thought of for the well connected republican arms manufacturers to make Billions at tax payers expense all manufacturing shared among themself irrespective of ability the reason it turned out the most expensive heap of junk ever "developed in the usa" daylight robbery
the amazing raptor had among its virtues! every 1.7 hours flying developed a Serious Fault! every 1.5 hours flying needed 35 hours maintenance could not tale even small armed fire could Not operate in the wet due to its outer stealth skin not what excuses said in the video we are watching watch above linkl for the truth
general dynamic developed an f-16xl that could do almost everything the the f-22 does except an internal weapons bay. f-22 is a great plane but Lockheed was just sucking the government of billions of dollars. the air force was better off with proven airframe and adapting to their needs.
general dynamic developed an f-16xl that could do almost everything the the f-22 does except an internal weapons bay. f-22 is a great plane but Lockheed was just sucking the government of billions of dollars. the air force was better off with proven airframe and adapting to their needs.
taken from an F-22 mechanic they are way more costly to maintain than the F16 or F18. But I believe the Joint Strike fighter will be a good next gen plane.
@pcfix33 The F-35 will cost >35% more to operate, maintain and fly compared to the F-16's, F/A-18's and AV-8's its replacing. Apart from that the F-35 can't supercruise, it can't go faster than Mach 1.6 and it lacks both maneuverability and thrust vectoring. I have my serious doubts about the F-35. Especially as the F-35 isn't just behind schedule with a couple of years, but also costs more than double to what they promised it would cost.
@pcfix33 The F-35 was supposed to be cheap, sharing more than 70% of the parts of the three different variants that were supposed to replace the aging jets of all US branches (F-16, F/A-18, AV-8) aswell as the aging american jets of all the US allies and it was supposed to be cheap to operate and maintain. Today It's the most expensive military project in history, the airplane is seriously delayed, WAY over budget, lacking demanded features and seems to lack modern day air superiority.
I think it would have worked out if they developed a more cost efficient aircraft that would fulfill the need for a generation 5 fighter instead of spending years on a aircraft that would only be produced in small numbers,plus,if you fly above SAM range and below radar ranger you would still achieve similar effects as you would with stealth technology.
@GeforcerFX i dont know but for me i can always see at least a few manned combat aircraft, the Boeing FA-x is supposed to be manned and UAV two in one.
fly by wire was not f22 it was avro aero in my terms with an update in technology a modern aero would probably out compete an f22 especialy the mark 3 which would have a top speed of over mach 3
@GeforcerFX still not advanced enough, you need a streaming wireless transmitter to run a UAV, imagine your enemy jams this wireless signal or even worse hacks it....... it will make your entire air force useless, their will always be a good amount of manned aircraft.
@Baseshocks one point you didn't or maybe didn't want to think about is that if hacked and it's possible on any tech , maybe useless for us but to their advantage , use our aircraft on us !!!
@Baseshocks one point you didn't or maybe didn't want to think about is that if hacked and it's possible on any tech , maybe useless for us but to their advantage , use our aircraft on us !!!
It also employed thousands of people. In all Lockheed is fat and lazy they own the USAF. Our airforce purchases most of its planes from Lockheed now with no true competition in the defense industry we'll seriously start failing
I see a couple of very good view-points added here. We've had aircraft capable of exceeding 'Human Capabilities' for quite awhile now. Perhaps our New pilots are being trained exclusively with interactive computer-screens, (not even hydro-sims), and will never see an old-fashioned 'Cockpit'. This would enable these New aircraft to Dominate the Extremes Far-Beyond Human Capabilities. They just need to carry a well-stocked assortment of ordnance. (not just one missile); but this obsoletes lots.
The YF-23 would have been the better choice in my opinion. It had several parts used from the F-15, so commonality would have kept costs down. The YF-23 isn't as technically advanced, and its not as stealthy, but it could have done the job just as well, and would have arguably much cheaper. In my opinion at least also, the YF-23 is a cooler design, its much more radical than the F-22's more conventional layout, and I guess I just like that sort of thing, hehe.
It is important to never confuse 'Development Time' with 'Project Waste'. Corporate Mntmnt loves to chide the case between the U2 and the SR-71; but these two projects are as opposite as Night&Day. Yes, they built the U2 in months; with existing parts. It took them years to develop the SR-71 because they had to re-invent a new science behind EVERY piece (even tooling) from get-go. This happens every time you design the 'Next Generation'. If they were "So Slow", why were they 'BEFORE the F-35'?
Scott, I believe I understand what you're stating; and there are lots of folks that appear to share your view on the F-22. As for myself I believe there are many misconceptions in-play here. Most folks believe the F/A-18 and the F-35 are 'Far Great Enough'; but these are pretty-much limited to being 'Joint-Strike-Fighters'. The F-22, like the F-15 are 'Air Dominance' machines; BIG Difference. Russia&China continue to develop/sell their 'Air Dominance', and the World knows this.
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The problem for Lockheed Martin is that they don't have another talented engineer like Clarence Leonard "Kelly" Johnson.
The problem with the DoD is that they're so caught up in big, highly featured, expensive planes. The USAF ran into this problem before (Vietnam era), and the Lightweight Fighter Mafia had to fight the system that resulted in the F-16.
One should take a leaf out of simple, yet effective designs like Northrop's T-38/F-5/F-20 family and the McDonnell Douglas A-4 Skyhawk.
aussiebear22 1 day ago
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im with pierre sprey: build cheaper, smaller, f-16s and a-10s with only the basic electronics necessary for mission.
freqimann 1 day ago
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It is the same story. USA developes new tech, and Russia improves it 10-20 years later (F14/15/16/18 vs laters but newers Mig29/Su27). F22 was the best until the PAK FA which is better in all possibles scenarios. USA must research a new aircraft again, but out of the cold war, with Russia as an potential ally of NATO, maybe is not urgent.
Antartnord 3 days ago
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I Believe if they had chosen the YF-23 Black Widow II, They may not have had the same problems, because the it was more stealthier, faster and had more mobility, than the F-22, BUT talks came up that F-22 was cheaper but thats a lie.....
ninjatroyz 3 days ago
Australia is forced to buy 9.
The Australian made Collins class submarine fiasco was bad enough now this, it make the Australian Defence Force look like fools.
danniecurnow 3 days ago
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@danniecurnow
Australia isn't getting the F-22. Congress won't allow it for export. We're getting the F-35 instead...Or more Super Hornets if F-35 project is delayed further.
aussiebear22 1 day ago
its a good plane and i like i wish they didnt cancel it
legonascar18 4 days ago
@legonascar18 It still flies just is not in production. They have not taken it out of service.
Death1458100 14 hours ago
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legonascar18 4 days ago
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The F-22 is a victim to corporate espionage..mainly by infiltrators from china
i dont see this project finishing any time soon...if at all...
ricodelta1 1 week ago
hiho !
before you start to talk about jets i would say you watch more docus about aircombat...
jonestmaniac 2 weeks ago
The reason it took so long is because the F-22 is the most advanced war fighter in the world. No other country has a fighter that can do what the F-22 can do. And yes the F-18 can fill a lot of roles today but the F-22 represents future air dominance.
yost28 3 weeks ago
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@yost28 the eurofightertycoon can
MegaJordan691 4 days ago
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Congress needs to stop throwing money after Pentagon. Fix the economy before starting new projects.
sangolt88 4 weeks ago
WW2's f-4 wildcat could not keep up or out fly the japanese zero. but it was a tough solidly built plane and when you fly in groups and stick to your wingman the zero couldnt compete we come home riddled with holes but still flying and zeros didnt. the f-14 tomcat is an example of cost. in its time it was one of the best if not the best in its role but it was way to expensive to maintain.
UNSCSpartan043 1 month ago
Lol, the North Vietnamese only had just over a dozen Migs 21s and Mig17s in total. Roughly 18.
Yes, the U.S did loose quite alot of fighters, but that was due to the shear fact that the North Vietnamese defended their cities with a swarm of SAM sites and AAA flank guns. The shear numbers of those, effectively worked to bring jets down, but still, the U.S reigned with airpower superiority over Vietnam eventually.
rugby86 1 month ago
@rugby86 The biggest reasons that the US lost some of their planes in Vietnam and in the end the war was the way that Vietnamese people are and the indecision of the US government.
sleeplespsycho 1 month ago
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Because it corrodes to easily, it's flight computer cannot fly in the rain, and it needs 30 hours of maintenance for 2 hours of flight. Plus it cost about the third of the price of an aircraft carrier.
acepilot1997 1 month ago
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The US averages 20 years between having it's most Advanced technology and actual showcase. I don't have proof of this but mark my words...the the F22 was limited because we knew a pilotless drone WITH thrust vectoring technology is around the corner....I guarantee it exists! A human is fragile and can only take 10g's for a short period of time...take out the human and 100 hr missions are possible with aerial refuelers also you can manuever at mind boggling g's without a human and thrust v tech.
stealth090 1 month ago
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Technology is ever changing. Manned fighter aircraft are already "almost" obsolete. Fighter jets I believe are approaching there final days.
pirculator 1 month ago
Can the Air Force resurrect F-16XL?
sihsobhk 1 month ago
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@sihsobhk No the air force and navy both have their eyes set on the F35 as well as drones...These days we buy drones like crazy in comparison to fighters anyway. Isreal has it's own HEAVILY modified F16i. In the future expect drones to be everywhere at all times. A member of military gets 65ish years of pay for only 20 years of service. That's a lot of money between pay, healthcare, daycare, on and on. When was the last time a drone asked for any of that?
stealth090 1 month ago
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@stealth090 Yes, drones make a lot more sense. I mentioned F-16XL because I like the design :-)
sihsobhk 1 month ago
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The number one thing that always HAS and always WILL crack me up is the average American's defintion of STEALTH itself. The number 1 comment I see online is...when people try to give the definftion of stealth a "black" or "white" defintion when there are a MILLION shades of gray. The ACTUAL defintion of stealth comes down to a defintion known as "radar cross section". Long story short there are a MILLION shades of gray only when comaring conventional aircraft, vs level 1,2, or 3 stealth.
stealth090 1 month ago
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What is better? A single F22 for a REDICULOUS amount of money being replaced 6 times a DAY over a small gegraphic region....or having 100 drones doing lazy S patterns in the same small amount of area? There is no need to play the ostrich game on an online forum....the United States has NEVER EVER, EVER FUCKING EVER, NEVER WILL EVER, YOU DESERVE A BITCH SLAP EVER point for saying.....we NEVER EVER EVER replace a weapon unless a better one is available: perfect example "Space Shuttle" vs X37.
stealth090 1 month ago
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I would rather 100 drones fly over a country vs 1 plane that cost almost the same....add in the cost of multiple plane pilots (6) a day vs 1 computer. 1 military person gets 45 years of pay for ONLY 20 years of service vs having an UNLIMETED # of drones that NEVER ASK FOR RETIREMENT PAY OR PENSIONS!
stealth090 1 month ago
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A human can be in the air less hours than a typical man/woman in a given word day for obvious reasons......compare that to a SMART network of drones rotating geographic regions WHILE sharing radar info....pretty soon a NETWORK of 50 drones has a PERFECT and OVERALL radar image of an ENTIRE country even though a single f22 could only give a fractional point of view....Also no F22 will ever fly over another country in the name of "reverse engineering" and for a good cause
stealth090 1 month ago
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Today's warefare isn't against country "A" vs country "B" when there are only a couple hundred countries in the world. The challenge of America today is, "country ""A"" vs a LMFAO SMALL # of people 15,000 at most spread between an ENTIRE country....or geographical region depending on your defintion of either. PERFECT EX: What is better? A single F-22 replaced every 4 hours (6) times a day over Afginistan...OR 36 drones doing lazy S patterns over the same area for the same cost..6 jets vs 36!!!!
stealth090 1 month ago
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...hits AT ALL. Wow, does that BLINDLY speak ignorance....why should I BOTHER with comments....The F22 was created "in the name of "BIG collective government ""A"" vs "BIG collective government ""B"". What a coincidence AFTER RUSSIA WENT BANKRUPT THE US DECIDED 187 should be enough for it's FLEET of F22 strategically spread across Guam, Hawaii, Alaska, California, and the East coast.
stealth090 1 month ago
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Would a pro speaker spend much of his time debating with elementary kids...no. Would a semi-pro speaker with a special emphasis of aerospace and electronics spend much time on youtube forums....no. Why spend a minute per sentence only to be outnumbered by middleschoolers who have Playstation references at best...Ugh I'm bored so let's get started...For starters yes, whoever made this video needs to congradualate himself...not because he's abnormally smart...but because he has managed to get 70k
stealth090 1 month ago
This is because they will start production of the F35... Lol. They can keep up with it. Lockheed Martin is amazing, I don't like the maker of this video. Sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about.
DaEuph 1 month ago
Concentrate the money used to build these expensive Jets to the recovery of US economy, HOWEVER, do not stop the research of better jets man or unman.
wateroxable 1 month ago
The future is in DRONES DRONES DRONES! The Air Force and Navy have been buying/building drones and an exponential rate. Why? It's a lot more efficient to have 36 drones doing lazy S Patterns of Afganistan waiting for an airstrike to be called in VS launching a strike by man and having to wait from plan, to launch time, to execution. Also let's not forget you can buy 36 drones for the cost of a F22. Also, no lives are lost, it cost millions of dollars to train a single pilot, and psyc warefare!
stealth090 1 month ago
Our air power is old and is facing a serious problem. I say cancel the f-35 and invest in 4.5. Generation aircraft instead such as the Super Hornet, F-15S Silent Eagle, F-16 block 60 etc.
madkabal 1 month ago
you know why we are doing tjis we need more money to support the F-35 Lighting
RyanMcCartyTV 1 month ago
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The stealth should be dropped on dog fighters. Once the enemy can detect you stealth all you have is a bad handling plane. The US planes need to be able to beat Chinese and Russian planes in dog fights. Stealth can be used in other areas. Make fast maneuverable and technology advanced planes with stealth that doesn't hurt performance.
Zooni2 1 month ago
The real advanced weapons are those we don't know about, so I'm not worried.
HeadSHOT604 2 months ago
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The poster of this clip is an intellegent person. Besides, the days of stealth may be numbered anyway. The soviets and china have been able to 'acquire' data from the U.S. that makes stealth aircraft as unsustainable as the F22 faptor, financially speaking. Hes also right in saying the most technologically advances aircraft doesn't necessirially mean you have the best fighters. F22 raptor just became a footnote in ameican aviation history.
Dbusdriver71 2 months ago
"STEALTH STAR WAR": the US secret weapon, we have never known. F22 is for fun
HOCHIMINHBADINH 2 months ago
Go buy the F15 from NASA. That should work out. I mean it's experimental but why not test a few out in the field
RavenKnight2408 2 months ago
Idk make a f-45 or something
expertcreatormo 2 months ago
the future of the US air force is hyper sonic planes capable of space flight like the supposed aurora. and we already have these prototypes. also if we didnt have these proto types that are about to go into production I dont think we have put a hold on F-22 product.
TheAzazazazazaz1 2 months ago
It may be that drones will be the way to the future, replacing actual pilots for the sake of the low cost. After all, you can easily turn out many drones, but it takes time to train a competent pilot.
dswynne 2 months ago
Um, the P-51 demolished even the top Fw-190's due to Laminar Flow wings, a TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE that gave it great maneuverability, speed, and range. The Mig-15's outnumbered the F-86 Sabers in Korea, we won due to pilot training. Vietnam saw the F-4 had a better Kill ratio than the Mig-19 or Mig-21's so i don't know what you are talking about...
KairiChibi 2 months ago
jjuuust a quik comment on the p-51 , it was not less capable unless u compared it to their m3-262 because of its new jet tech, the p-51 was one of the most efective planes in the air not because of its # but because of its capability to other planes all in all i think it was #2 in the sky because of some technilogical advances we just didnt have to germany
zero777jaren 2 months ago
In a word? We're boned. It took 30 years to get the F22 from idea to operational while the Chinese took less than a decade to catch up with the J20 off of tidbits or espionage combined with schematics for parts of it that were outsourced to them. They have more people and manufacturing capability than us, Russia's new stealth fighter shows a ton of promise, and right now most of our "allies" are bankrupt financially, don't support us fully, and have their own new toys to play with.
74stang2togo 2 months ago
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pak fa russo and j20 chino are the best
1kanamezero 2 months ago
and i bet when the pak fa t-50 and j-20 are complete, usaf will again start producing even better version of the f-22 raptor.
cardude1992 2 months ago
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@cardude1992 oh dear oh dear oh dear
YogDodoth 2 months ago
well they already made over 150 f-22s so i think they just halted for the moment because they prolly thought they didnt need to make any more. its not like its up for sale to other countries anyway you know.
cardude1992 2 months ago
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The US has more than enough weapons in its arsenal to deter any attack from any enemy. Why waste money on F22? Save the money to reduce the budget deficit before the weight of its debt destroys the country. A financially weak US is neither good for the American people nor the rest of the world.
KinChaiHo 2 months ago
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here is the truth the reason why its stopped is because of the cost. its been canceled because stealth is expensive but thats not the entire truth STEALTH as we all call it is obsolete its uneeded by the military thats why the European Union decided to make the Euro Fighter Typhoon instead of a Stealth aircraft. and i know what you are all gunna say well russia has one well look at the facts Russias military has always been behined! We should make more drones instead no need of stealth less cost
Dittomark101 3 months ago
The F-4 was beaten by migs because it didn't have a gun and the pilots were not trained to dogfight
SimplyAceofaces 3 months ago
Vietmanese!
bringrofmanyachuckle 3 months ago
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You have forgotten to mention the F-22 is more expensive to maintain than the F-14. It does'nt even have the reliablility of the F-14. Point being here is the F-14 was phased out due to low reliability and cost. When you consider the fact stealth technology is completely defeatable by simple dopler radar, you have a white elephant. Also added to this is the fact the F-22 is not as manueverable or survivable as the F-15 (the plane it is supposed to replace), you end up with a disgusting waste
jerry13154 3 months ago
it wasnt canclled it was down sized. either way i believe they are working on bigger better things
CHACH208 3 months ago
,gjkuktu
airwolf8157 3 months ago
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Drones are the future. Manned avionics are too costly and too limited for most duties. You can throw 15 cheap drones at a problem compared to one of these. There may also be other next gen platforms - superior to this one, that we aren't aware of. Hopefully they are less costly as well, as we can no longer afford these budgetary shenanigans. Drone warfare is the future.
rabidsquirrelOG 3 months ago
Update! flying again. Miner set back with the anti gravity system. Pilot needed more shealding from the ion rays.
1x8twist 3 months ago
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lol american crap....
Sasukekillsitachi 3 months ago
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The only way that I will ever believe that the F-22 is justified is for me to hear a guy who was shot down by 1 say: I didnt see anything, i was flying to deliver my payload package on New York.. checked radar, glanced at my fuel..then heard my plane explode.
sagequan 3 months ago
more jets? the Vietnamese had LESS jets....
TheNinjaCowboys 3 months ago
F-14 Tomcat!
SSSEEEXXXAAAYYYY!!!
TonyEvans96 3 months ago
Unfortunately none of this is true.
Anyone who wants to know anything about the future of air superiority, read Carlo Kopp's lengthy but incredibly concise comparative analysis in Australian Air Power of the F-22 in light of current and near-future 5th gen fighters and ground-based AA defenses.
Long story short, sizeable procurement of the F-22 in the range of 600-700 fighters and complete scrapping of the F-35 is the only way to maintain air superiority in the future. Period.
Spjungen 3 months ago
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F-22 <-- R.I.P. :-(
KoochyWoochy 3 months ago
@KoochyWoochy If only that were true. ;/
Unfortunately 5th gen isn't our unique advantage anymore. Russia and China are both developing stealth fighters which are not only comparable to the venerable raptor, but will become proliferated into the arsenal of any country willing and able to buy them, and most of which are NOT our allies.
I would agree that the F-22 can take on any number of any 4th or even 4++ gen fighter, but when the enemy also has stealth, that's when the tables turn.
Spjungen 3 months ago
@Spjungen ehh not really i mean it comes down to pilot training. take example WW2 in the pacific Japan had advantage of the less heavy more manovarable planes what happen the Navy Pilots developed skill to compete to the japanese plane
CHACH208 3 months ago
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@Spjungen
/watch?v=0xxoFjGJ5hY
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
@Spjungen Well, what about the Germans they're allies, and they bought quite a few MiG 29's ... Who's to say they won't buy the Sukhoi T50 or the Chinese J20 ...
john4short 3 months ago
@john4short Germany didn't buy MiGs.
The were just adoptet after DDR colapsed. Even then it ist 20 years ago.
I'm sure germany will alwas develop ther own plane together with Europe. Just like Tornado od Eurofighter and Airbus.
o0haltsMaul 3 months ago
@o0haltsMaul My bad , I didn't mean to say buy .. What I should have said was They Acquired a few MiG 29's after the reunification of Germany ... Oh yeah it was around 10 - 12 something years ago ... They already sold them to the Polish airforce .. After that I don't know what the polish did with them, I think they have it ... :) ... God Bless and Thanks again ...
john4short 3 months ago
Also.. as for Vietnamese success against the F-4 Phantom? Numbers had little to do with that. Our pilot trainers were outright idiots. Entirely too much focus as well as faith was put into missiles, which at the time were EXTREMELY unreliable, especially the Sparrow. Dogfighting was erroneously said to be "a thing of the past", and so no real dogfighting training was done. Furthermore, while the F-4 wasn't agile, its speed offset that, but its greatest flaw at the time? Lack of a gun.
Ariana321 3 months ago
Honestly, theres no point in building more than 187 of them unless we were planning on exporting. It isn't cancelled, the production has been halted. 187 F-22s is already enough to take on every single 4th Generation fighter out there, no point in building a swarm of them.
@babykevinxoxo Yes, because buying thousands of aging F-16s which are already outperformed by newer Russian designs would be a better use of it, right? Not to mention, we don't even have that many fighter pilots?
Ariana321 3 months ago
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@Ariana321
/watch?v=0xxoFjGJ5hY
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
Balloons! Lots and lots of balloons! If a balloon gets into the air intake of any fighter jet, it will take it out! LOL!
Bugstomper2 3 months ago
you are very right about a lot of things. heres what i think: the f-22 has small numbers and will have a very high kill to loss ratio against any fighter (i even think the pak fa and j-20) and then we are going to have an extremely large number of f-35s which are also extremely capable. i think the air force and navy would have no problems wit hair superiority in future conflicts.
forrestc3 3 months ago
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f22 30h maintenance for 1h flight ..yea just awesome!
Has light armor so it's easily shot down stealth is vulnerable to RAIN!
Costs 360 mil to build !& it has been named as a failure!
pierrevalois00 3 months ago
Perhaps Lockheed wasn't dragging their feet.
Perhaps some of the funding went to black ops..just using the Raptor for accountability. I mean 30 years you said.
MichaelWithstand 3 months ago
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The F-22 has so many problems that it amazes me it was ever put into production! 1. The f-22 cannot communicate. The pilot is totaly isolated from the outside world. 2. The high tech stealth skin can't take on rain without major repairs, which means the f-22 is grounded on a rainy day! 3. For every hour this plane is in the air, it needs 30 hours of maintenance.
The fact that this plane ever made it to productiion is proof that the Pentagon is in bed with Lokheed-Martin!
focuskid100 3 months ago
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only good for airshows!
maydayfire 3 months ago
Lol your really need to learn how to say vietnamese
MrSilverfish12 4 months ago
Just so everyone know's the F-35 (the Navy's version of the f-22) got turned down because it has one engine not two. On the flight deck of an aircraft carrer there are potential fod hazards. For example if a f-35 fod's out it's single engine how is it supposed to get back to the ship? If a f-18 fods out a engine it still can fly with a single engine. The F-18 is more than above and beyond what any other country has. With the Pilots flying the F-18 America can go without the F-22 or F-35.
rooky1989 4 months ago
@rooky1989 The F-35 is the result of the Joint Strike Fighter programm. It has not much to do with the F-22. There are two versions of it, one for the Navy with the ability of vertical take-offs and one for the airforce without it. Also the F-18 isn't so advanced as you say. Many countries in europe have already better fighters than the F-18 (Eurofighter Typhoon). So do china (J-20) an russia (Su-27 series). The only benefits of the F-18 are a short take-off and low produktion cost.
djohnny054 4 months ago
The Money the US government spent In the Wars In Afganastan Iraq and Lybia we could have baught about 500000 F-16S. This how stupid our goverment waste tax payers money!
babykevinxoxo 4 months ago
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babykevinxoxo 4 months ago
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This video is crap, the F22 is just cost too much
But they haven't stopped it, in my opinion they need to let friendly countries, like mine, Canada, buy these jets, we could seriously put them to work!
The comment about the F4s in Vietnam, the F4s won 9 times out of 10, why? because they had a faster, more highly armed, and tougher aircraft, the NVA just sent up guys who hd done basic training, nothing else
Trust me when I say this, if American put this much work into jets, they
d bewealthy
mirlin235 4 months ago
Viet. beat F-4 because of the tech problems with the F-4. No gun and missiles missed 80%+ of the time. WWII, yes, I'll grant you the numbers advantage. But it was more than 5 to 1. We don't have that anymore. In Red Flag (AF training program), 2 F-22's 'fought' more than a dozen F-15's and cleaned house. Tell me numbers are good enough.
Also, the F-22 wasn't originally that expensive per plane. Congress cut the order by 2/3, R&D and production costs still had to be met. Price skyrocketed :(
Sephiroth139 4 months ago
Well, first off, engineering a jet that advanced is very difficult. Difficult = lots of money. It also means that they weren't necessarily dragging their heels. The main issue of the F-22 is finding a way to make a stealth fighter that is highly maneuverable. This had never been done and therefore the F-22 was pioneering. Granted I love F/A-18s the most. But you honestly failed to recognize these factors. They will probably look into making the build process more cost efficient.
7jsm7 4 months ago
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Fighters don't need stealth. I love the FA-22, I love everything about it. It's amazing, it has a beautiful shape and outstanding flight charachteristics. I don't think it needs stealth though. Why is it called a fighter if it's trying to be stealthy? That's for bombers and those don't carry the armery of fighters to be able to dog fight. I think the skin of the aircraft that helps absorb radar waves, isn't needed. You don't need stealth to make a great fighter. You need a great pilot.
KCBOYZ1307 4 months ago
They've made a stealth F-15 before, Silent Eagle. It was sexy. They should have made more.
66gt40lm 4 months ago
I think F-22 is one of the top 5 best fighter jets in the world. We also have the most experienced pilots in the world which adds a major plus. All of our allies will be having F-35's soon, another 5th generation fighter jet. We need something to separate us from the rest of the world and the F-22 is that jet. If its not the F-22, its definitely not the F-35. We need a 5th generation fighter jet that will dominate the sky's to ensure our national security.
bRizzle2009100 4 months ago
@bRizzle2009100 Why you need something to separate from the rest of the world? Just for the ego? The bad news is that now the economic scenario is way worse than in the 80s. Your national security is at least 75% guaranteed by physically being thousand of miles away from the rest of the world.
alamos8 4 months ago
@alamos8 No not of ego reasons. For national security purposes. I want to be protected by the best of the best. I don't want to have the same technology/military as everyone else does. I want my nation to have the very best. I want my nation to have an edge over everyone else so its citizens can be well protected.
And this isn't the 18th century. Just because we are surrounded by lets say thousands of miles or sea doesn't mean that no one get to us. 21st century technology has changed that.
bRizzle2009100 4 months ago
@bRizzle2009100 I can see you reasoning, but indeed all the major powers can think the same, which as always and if not stopped somehow, leads to a weapon scale. The other has that, I need to beat that, and so on... the scenarios has changed without the soviets. China is maybe now the other major opponet in weaponry, but for now their materila is less advanced. And on the other side, neither the F18s nor the F22s could have avoided the sad 11s. Apart from that, the F22 is a cool looking plane...
alamos8 4 months ago
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you don't know what the hell you're talking about, we lost F-4's due to the lack of guns.
TheGeohart 4 months ago
Comparing the F-22's role to the role of the F-4 in Vietnam is foolish. The difference between these two aircraft is astronomical as well as their tactical abilities. Yes, there was a problem with OBOGS but that has been rectified and the F-22 fleet is back in business. 100 F-22's is more than enough. The F-18 may have a low stealth cross-section, but again it's nowhere near the F-22. In simulated battle, ONE F-22 can put down 6-7 F-15/16s at point blank range without even showing up on radar.
kmastahk 4 months ago
@AngryGargoyle69 Yeah, that pretty much sums up current US foreign policy.
FutureMarine1775USA 4 months ago
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IMO, develop F35 is waste of money, F35 suppose to be an aircraft that can be used by "all force", but... For airforce, it can replace F16, but partly cross the row of F22 and Predator. For Navy, they just got new F18 E/F, I don't think they want to give up it yet... And for Marian, It replaces AV8B, but too costy for them. And Army, F35 can replace F16, but same old reason, too costy...
Vostadues 4 months ago
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Way of USA... spend alot of money to achieve what other can do with just a nickel... back in day of space race, US spend around 1.5mil trying to create a type of pen that will work in out space, and end up as the ballpoint pen that we r using now... But Russia just give their spaceman pencil...
Vostadues 4 months ago
The way they talk, 180 of them is all we will ever need.
gregrutz 4 months ago
Future of the air force "FLY FIGHT AND WIN IN AEROSPACE AND CYBERSPACE!"
AceSPG 4 months ago
dude you think your sooooo smart. you think you know,but you have no idea. just keep your nose in that book your reading and leave the real work to us guys who know what the hell we're doing.
bigpirdy 4 months ago
Ok after watching LOTS of jet videos something I have to wonder is how can you use something thats supposedly more manueverable than say an f-18? ive seen videos where a pilot or trainee blacks out in a high G maneuver. What is the point in adding thrust vectoring and more controll surfaces when that will just cause the guy flying its brain to be deprived of oxygen?
homebrewman23 4 months ago
@homebrewman23 I always wondered that too, The limiting factor in turning a jet is the human body. That's why they are taking them out.
But I have seen an F-22 following an F-15 and it squared off the corners. I would not want to dog fight one, they don't need to fly to stay in the air.
gregrutz 4 months ago
FIRST OFF, THE F22 WAS NOT COMPLETLY CANCELED, IT WAS STOPED TEMPORARILY FROM NOT ONLY COST. THERE IS A FATAL FLAW IN THE AIRCRAFT THAT IS POISONING PILOTS. THEY THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ON-BOARD OXYGEN GENERATION SYSTEM OR OBOGS.BLOOD TESTS IN PILOTS SHOW HIGH LEVELS OF TOXINS.AND IF YOUR WONDERING WERE I AN GETTING THIS INFO, IT IS FROM PAGE39 OF THE OCTOBER, 2011 EDITION OF COMBAT AIRCRAFT MONTHLY MAGIZENE. PLEASE READ THE WHOLE ARTICAL FOR MORE INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheKiwibirder 4 months ago 11
@TheKiwibirder Obama canceled the program outright.
Sephiroth139 4 months ago
@TheKiwibirder caps lock on. . .
MrItsmine91 3 months ago
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@TheKiwibirder f22 was canceleed cause quite simply is the WORST PLANE EVER!
/watch?v=0xxoFjGJ5hY
itachiitachi1946 3 months ago
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@TheKiwibirder A limited number will be made, and im talking literally a handful at most. Its a fact, for fuck sake what is it with you fucking sourpuss Americans...facts are FACTS...the jet itself has been proven as being a weak aircraft, with limited survivability.
LCStreetPhotographer 2 months ago
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@TheKiwibirder You lot are in suchhhh denial.....your country is in decline. Get over it.
LCStreetPhotographer 2 months ago
I saw some versions of the F-22 that looked awesome.
but looks can only buy you only so much
the F-35 with it's vertical take off capability looks like a joke.
where do you place the gas tank?
chadd975 4 months ago
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@chadd975 "
the F-35 with it's vertical take off capability looks like a joke." Looks can be deceiving, the F-35's VTOL eliminates nearly all the problems the harrier style VTOL has. Further more there are 3 main models of F-35, only 1 of them has VTOL the rest are conventional flight and cheaper to build
"where do you place the gas tank?" Not too familiar with aircraft design are you? Fuel is usually stored in self sealing bladders held in the wings.
thebluemaggot 4 months ago
not sure what the point of this video is...almost everything you said in the video as "fact" isnt actually true... and the difference between an F-22 and other platforms is like comparing a Ferrari to a Chevy Cruze =) Go apply for MSNBC i'm sure they'd hire you as a news anchor! Haha
silvrstridr 4 months ago
dunno why my comment on technical interests on millitary hardware sumwat kept flagged by sum IP marshall or sum1 w/ d usual "comment pending" response,cud sum1 Pls tell mi if democracy is stil around or has maoists 've de world by itz neck, heck maybe I'll jus settle watching unhealthy porn
beaggyboy 4 months ago
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beaggyboy 4 months ago
we should come up with an awesomer aircraft thats cheaper than the f-18. but what are the chances of that happeing right?
RVCAXD 4 months ago
But, but.. the SR-71 was conceptualized by a mutant genius, Hank McCoy.. just sayin'..
myquill23 4 months ago
Hey, RC! Your point is very impressive!
PlutoniumHeart 4 months ago
You fail to mention the combat tests over Alaska where one F-22 went up agents eight FA-18 super hornet's and took them all down repeatably
We have to many Accountants making choices about whats better for our men same people that gave our troops a rabbit gun(m-16)more cost affective less killing affective
fuggernugget 4 months ago
the US will have a massive fighter shortage when the F-15 air-frame gives in plus the F-16, F-35 will just end up being scaled back by 2015 (Prediction) due to increased defense cuts
MRWALKER500000 4 months ago
I spoke to a pilot on this matter. The F-22 was not cancelled. Their just capping production to 187 units and preserving the line and tooling incase we really need to build more planes or order parts to keep the ones in service now in the air.
jedijaffy56 4 months ago
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I think we should buy the J-20 instead ... it's one quarter the cost - fairly stealthy - and, though a little less capable in high speed engagements, it's superior down and dirty - in a knife fight where they are likely to be engaged anyways. Granted, it is less expensive for a reason - so, instead of buying one-for-one - we should buy two for one and keep the spares ... as, well. ... spares. :)
Chris83702 4 months ago
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and thats the truth and reality
kekecpekec123 5 months ago
30 yrs wow
babykevinxoxo 5 months ago
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@babykevinxoxo USA Decadence,,,,,,,All the empires fall down
CapitanFiro 4 months ago
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@babykevinxoxo Negative ghostrider, that F22 was about 300 million, it just cost too much
mirlin235 4 months ago
@GeforcerFX does not matter, can be run on microwave and like weaponry changed in fligt, can be like squared or cubed etc. we got alien tech because of roswell can even alter to match anything anywher doesn't matter fu anybody
JacobLogosKizmet 5 months ago
@GeforcerFX fuck UAV's just a way to ruin the dreams of a young pilot
laxinitup62 5 months ago
yea lets ask someone who prolly fucking fly's RC planes for a living hahaha
twentyhigh 5 months ago
Nothing is wrong with the f-22 except that it wont land on a carrier. Beef up the landing gear and add an arresting hook and there is your solution.
I agree just to make more f18s, but when you got a good thing dont stop, revise and keep going.
saynonow 5 months ago
The future is un-manned. Lets just go there. Imangine 500 6 foot long drones all controlled by computer programs that cordinate seamingly crazy flight paterns. Flight programs selected real time by an operator. Price is a fraction of manned craft. Also, lets play to out strengths. We are fat, out of shape and not well educated. But man can we play vidieo games. Jump to the future.
thepollywog1 5 months ago
@thepollywog1 In Vietnam, they realized that a gun was actually a really good idea on a fighter jet after all. You'll come around. After its too late.
stainless1911 5 months ago
@thepollywog1 You still need the human factor. The Pilot can do more than some asshole flying from behind a computer.
FutureMarine1775USA 4 months ago
DUDE!!!! Its not Vietmanese !!!! its Vietnamese. Damn that was irritating hearing keep saying it wrong!!! If you are gonna try to sound intelligent get your vocabulary correct!
777theack 5 months ago
the superhornet is boss..
AutoJunkieMan 5 months ago
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the Mig 44 the sukoi T50 Terminator are both what the raptor never was this is Reality not hollywood n the eurofighter is possibly the 3rd cause they where all designed not to line the pockets of the rich but to be top fighters not saying americans couldn't do it of course they could (they did it in the past) if they gave the manufacturing to the most able Not the best connected politically purely for personal profits for the elite at taxpayers expense
polygamous1 5 months ago
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its Not plain awsome, it doesn't fly awsomly it was thought of for the well connected republican arms manufacturers to make Billions at tax payers expense all manufacturing shared among themself irrespective of ability the reason it turned out the most expensive heap of junk ever "developed in the usa" daylight robbery
polygamous1 5 months ago
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F22 Raptor Exposed - Why the F22 Was Cancelled
the amazing raptor had among its virtues! every 1.7 hours flying developed a Serious Fault! every 1.5 hours flying needed 35 hours maintenance could not tale even small armed fire could Not operate in the wet due to its outer stealth skin not what excuses said in the video we are watching watch above linkl for the truth
polygamous1 5 months ago
3:19 when did you last fly an f22?
blackukstay 5 months ago
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general dynamic developed an f-16xl that could do almost everything the the f-22 does except an internal weapons bay. f-22 is a great plane but Lockheed was just sucking the government of billions of dollars. the air force was better off with proven airframe and adapting to their needs.
sviperh 5 months ago
general dynamic developed an f-16xl that could do almost everything the the f-22 does except an internal weapons bay. f-22 is a great plane but Lockheed was just sucking the government of billions of dollars. the air force was better off with proven airframe and adapting to their needs.
sviperh 5 months ago
f-15 is still the best plane
hammer2787 5 months ago
taken from an F-22 mechanic they are way more costly to maintain than the F16 or F18. But I believe the Joint Strike fighter will be a good next gen plane.
pcfix33 5 months ago
@pcfix33 The F-35 will cost >35% more to operate, maintain and fly compared to the F-16's, F/A-18's and AV-8's its replacing. Apart from that the F-35 can't supercruise, it can't go faster than Mach 1.6 and it lacks both maneuverability and thrust vectoring. I have my serious doubts about the F-35. Especially as the F-35 isn't just behind schedule with a couple of years, but also costs more than double to what they promised it would cost.
wellerocks 5 months ago
@pcfix33 The F-35 was supposed to be cheap, sharing more than 70% of the parts of the three different variants that were supposed to replace the aging jets of all US branches (F-16, F/A-18, AV-8) aswell as the aging american jets of all the US allies and it was supposed to be cheap to operate and maintain. Today It's the most expensive military project in history, the airplane is seriously delayed, WAY over budget, lacking demanded features and seems to lack modern day air superiority.
wellerocks 5 months ago
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I think it would have worked out if they developed a more cost efficient aircraft that would fulfill the need for a generation 5 fighter instead of spending years on a aircraft that would only be produced in small numbers,plus,if you fly above SAM range and below radar ranger you would still achieve similar effects as you would with stealth technology.
jaredlee283 5 months ago
@GeforcerFX i dont know but for me i can always see at least a few manned combat aircraft, the Boeing FA-x is supposed to be manned and UAV two in one.
Baseshocks 5 months ago
fly by wire was not f22 it was avro aero in my terms with an update in technology a modern aero would probably out compete an f22 especialy the mark 3 which would have a top speed of over mach 3
purecanaidian 5 months ago
@GeforcerFX still not advanced enough, you need a streaming wireless transmitter to run a UAV, imagine your enemy jams this wireless signal or even worse hacks it....... it will make your entire air force useless, their will always be a good amount of manned aircraft.
Baseshocks 5 months ago
@Baseshocks one point you didn't or maybe didn't want to think about is that if hacked and it's possible on any tech , maybe useless for us but to their advantage , use our aircraft on us !!!
dochelp1m 5 months ago
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@Baseshocks one point you didn't or maybe didn't want to think about is that if hacked and it's possible on any tech , maybe useless for us but to their advantage , use our aircraft on us !!!
dochelp1m 5 months ago
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the blackbird is what i call SPEED
urworstnightmare7698 5 months ago
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urworstnightmare7698 5 months ago
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why are vagina's related to this video?
channeldennis 5 months ago
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It also employed thousands of people. In all Lockheed is fat and lazy they own the USAF. Our airforce purchases most of its planes from Lockheed now with no true competition in the defense industry we'll seriously start failing
Cutup663 5 months ago
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I see a couple of very good view-points added here. We've had aircraft capable of exceeding 'Human Capabilities' for quite awhile now. Perhaps our New pilots are being trained exclusively with interactive computer-screens, (not even hydro-sims), and will never see an old-fashioned 'Cockpit'. This would enable these New aircraft to Dominate the Extremes Far-Beyond Human Capabilities. They just need to carry a well-stocked assortment of ordnance. (not just one missile); but this obsoletes lots.
FlightlessRock 5 months ago
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The YF-23 would have been the better choice in my opinion. It had several parts used from the F-15, so commonality would have kept costs down. The YF-23 isn't as technically advanced, and its not as stealthy, but it could have done the job just as well, and would have arguably much cheaper. In my opinion at least also, the YF-23 is a cooler design, its much more radical than the F-22's more conventional layout, and I guess I just like that sort of thing, hehe.
HalcyonSkies 5 months ago
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All points are moot since the whole fleet is grounded and useless anyway.
battousai9439 5 months ago
Technicaly two F-18's and one F-22 flying together can take care of business at hand.. "Don't you think so?"
kbwyt 5 months ago
It is important to never confuse 'Development Time' with 'Project Waste'. Corporate Mntmnt loves to chide the case between the U2 and the SR-71; but these two projects are as opposite as Night&Day. Yes, they built the U2 in months; with existing parts. It took them years to develop the SR-71 because they had to re-invent a new science behind EVERY piece (even tooling) from get-go. This happens every time you design the 'Next Generation'. If they were "So Slow", why were they 'BEFORE the F-35'?
FlightlessRock 5 months ago
Scott, I believe I understand what you're stating; and there are lots of folks that appear to share your view on the F-22. As for myself I believe there are many misconceptions in-play here. Most folks believe the F/A-18 and the F-35 are 'Far Great Enough'; but these are pretty-much limited to being 'Joint-Strike-Fighters'. The F-22, like the F-15 are 'Air Dominance' machines; BIG Difference. Russia&China continue to develop/sell their 'Air Dominance', and the World knows this.
FlightlessRock 5 months ago