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  • 6:02 Creator? God???

  • Where have you run off to kahabbful??? :)

  • 3 segments in and I notice that there has not been a single quesiton raised by anyone in this documentary. Wow, selling a drug, no questions asked. Exactly how Prozac is marketed!

  • Wishing Bush would get a dose of dmt...lol. I think if a person SEES what is inside their heart and, it is evil, that person would have a total mental breakdown...afterwards, he might throw himself in front of a bus.

    Could someone explain to me what they mean when they say "The City of Lose"...they referred to it a few times. I would like it "mapped out".

  • Existence is only a brief moment of the universe experiencing itself through the senses. Nothing "dies" in the universe, the energy simply seeps into other dimensions to experience unimaginably different realities with altered senses governed by unusual law of physics in this infinite cycle...

  • hey you guys look up the song, NiT GriT - Dimethyltryptamine. :)

  • 7:51 -hell yes

  • i wish that i had the personality and mindset that would allow me to take such an amazing drug and have a great experience that would change my life but unfortunately i have really bad anxiety and it sucks to say that i would not have a good trip doing dmt i would for sure freak out judging by my experience with just simply weed, it takes a powerful effect on me and i could never imagine trying something like this but its so interesting to hear about

  • the lady look fucked up.

  • wtf is the 1st guy talking about..no sense at all unless your a nuero scientist

  • @Seaton1518 you dont need to be a nuroscientist to understand it.. you should just smoke some DMT or weed atleast to understand it. This plane of consciousness is the only one known to you. When you experience the alteration of your consciousness by using these, you will be moved.

  • what is the ';ight of loose' the rabbi refers to?

  • @slimturnpike

    luz not loose

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  • @slimturnpike

    He said city of luz = an inter-dimensional city of higher consciousness

  • any one know what part of the brain salvia triggers

  • @420joeisdead all of it

  • Where the hell do I get some?

  • Just to put this out there, DMT is created by the brain and is thus completely natural. You can extract DMT from nearly everything in nature AND you cannot overdose on it.

  • Ok guys I just ingested 2 pounds of Dmt should take a couple of seconds to kic

    gtg

  • @The0rangePanda actually ingesting it doesnt work lol

    Smoke it and sit :P

  • @Reilordi88 Ingesting it works, you just have to take an MAO Inhibitor with it.

  • @The0rangePanda

    If you ingested 2 pounds of dmt you would most certainly die, i suspect you meant DMT containing root bark? I'm guessing you had a fun time vomiting it up?

  • @sinbindinchin

    Although its mostly likely you never did such a thing, i don't think anyone could each that much.

  • and what about people who die rather quickly and their brain doesn't produce the DMT in time? do their "souls" not leave then? Why can't we induce a DMT experience by getting someone close to death? This hypothesis falls short to me. It is sort of ridiculous. DMT is cool and there is a reason it is everywhere I just have a hard time with the concept of a spirit being released because of a drug. Don't extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?

  • @KaHabbful they dont even discuss what the spirit is and if it even exists, and when I read the book i disliked it when he kept writing about what the purpose DMT was from God, slightly biased too, the way he wrote it kind of was in response to protect his own ass over adminstering too much

  • @KaHabbful

    You have to remember the whole dmt release near death/sleep/meditation or whatever someone may claim, are just theories, they are not proven, it is just speculation, its out there to be criticised, disputed, tested, proven, or whatever, anyone who claims it to be fact is just misrepresenting what has been speculated by strassman, although i suspect he believes it, he never claimed it to be a fact to my knowledge.

  • I am surprised more aren't questioning this. If DMT is released in the brain when you die/are dying then why don't people with NDE say that it is just like DMT? They don't, and the reports I have read don't sound anything like what DMT is like. Also, if it is just a chemical to die with what is it's purpose? Why would your body need to release a chemical into your brain when it thinks you are gonna die?

  • @KaHabbful Read the book 'Convoluted Universe' by Dolores Cannon ,and everything will fall into place- there are countless different dimensions,DMT takes you to a different place than the Astral plane -when your body dies.

    Consciousness lives forever.

  • @brettymike It might be something along those lines.I think DMT is great and everything I just don't think that it is what this documentary wants it to be.There is no proof of any astral plane or different place.I know there are a lot of people that claim that they know what this is, but none of them offer up any proof other than the experience itself, which is so variable that it just looks to me like they are believing what they want, rather than searching for real truth.

  • @KaHabbful Try telling that to my good friend who watched himself dead on the ground for several minutes.

    You go to one of the many dimensions when you dream.

  • @brettymike Perhaps. But no amount of anecdotal evidence is sufficient. Most of the accounts differ greatly. When someone is almost dead, but able to be revived, are not quite dead yet. They may be unconscious and their bodily functions have ceased, but the body takes a few minutes to die completely. It's cool man, I like the idea. I just think that it is important to cast a skeptical light on pretty much everything because it helps us get to the real thing that is happening.

  • @brettymike It is the way that science works. Peer review, skeptical inquiry, testing a hypothesis, using reason and trying to be as unbias as possible. I think that the psychedelic drugs are the key to what is happening, but I think that different ideas should be explored as well.

  • @KaHabbful Scientist's haven't got a clue about much at all,they are still scratching their heads about plain old gravity,water(one of the most mysterious) and electricity.

    If you study NDE ,DMT, Salvia Divinorum,and whats in plain site on the earth -among history teaching lies - - a light will dawn for you.

    EVERTHING is electromagnetic energy- even thoughts,an atom is 99.999999% nothing,and we can only see a minute fraction of 1% of the light spectrum.

  • @brettymike Um ok. The reason you are sitting on a computer - science. The reason we have isolated DMT from plants? Science. The reason we even know about electricity? Science.There is nothing wrong with wanting you use a proven method of inquiry to study a phenomenon. It is the best method of inquiry we have. Surely you don't think that we should just give up studying these plants and the altered states of consciousness...right? We will never know what they are without looking.

  • @KaHabbful Um , much better to take an interpreter and go and talk to the Amazonian Indians in South America ,who have been using it and studying it for 1000's of years.

    They don't need an arrogant "scientist" from the west to tell them anything.

  • @brettymike Yeah that all has it's place but it does not replace rational inquiry. You can trip all you want but it only teaches you what you already really know. I am not sure why you will read a book that has a lot of unverified claims and say that it is truth, but will not acknowledge the most effective way at finding truth - science - which will not accept unverified claims. I am not talking about "arrogant scientists" I am talking about using rational thought.

  • @KaHabbful Oh,you must mean like those properly done ,rational ,HONEST ,scientific enquiry's done on - man-made global warming,and 911 for instance?

    YOU definitely have to watch out what you are led to believe from "scientist's" more than ever over the last 50 years,especially when most of them are owned and paid (with money they make out of thin air) by a private cartel of crooks feeding their own rotten agenda's.

  • @brettymike I think you are talking about politics...scientist have no interest in anything but the truth. Politics sometimes dictates what science studies, but I think you are placing the blame in the wrong place. Science is a very effective method of inquiry, but of course like any tool it can be used however man wants to use it.

  • @KaHabbful You are getting close,let me help you - the very bad and self serving politicians suppress good science discoveries that will help the people,and push (in the false guise of protecting the people) insane ,psychopathic "science" discoveries to fleece and control/enslave the people - even shorten their lives.

    I think you have a lot to learn about the world.

  • @brettymike I think the same thing about you. You haven't even followed what I have said you have just made more assertions without even verifying your claims. You make an assertion like "science discoveries..control/ enslave people" but you fail to mention that the reason people live past the age of 40 today is because of scientific discoveries in medicine. That fact puts a real damper on your assertion. Put your blame where you want I really couldn't care less about what you think of politics.

  • @KaHabbful I have read everything you have written,and you seem to be stuck under a rock,or have your head in the sand.

    There is a cure for everything in nature,modern "medicine" has nothing to do with people living past 40 - in fact doctors drugs are constantly killing people in droves,everyone knows this.

  • @brettymike I didn't say you didn't read what I had written. I said you didn't follow, and obviously you don't.  This study that Strassman did (I have read the book as well) is very inconclusive. In fact, they didn't discover much of anything. People saw "aliens." Ok. That is what you would expect from taking hallucinogenic drugs. They also had many bad reactions, which aren't mentioned in this documentary. I don't mind anyone taking any drug, but determine what it means to you independently

  • @KaHabbful You have said it for us all yourself "they didn't discover much of anything" along with a million other things scientist's have completely failed at,they can't even bring out the cure for the common cold and cancer(and we know the terrible truth why).

    Only bad reactions from DMT ,are from people with big ego problems.

  • @KaHabbful Medical and technological advancement has been huge in our world. But we should not fool ourselves: the number 1 application of science and technology today is war! We, as humans, spend most of our time, energy, and money on making war with each other, controlling and killing each other, not with improving our lives and the lives of our fellows. Science and medicine saves lives, and costs lives too, but only as side effects of making mass war, slaughtering human beings. Look around.

  • @KaHabbful Science discovers a cure but often has caused the disease.

  • @FathomlessJoy haha you watch too man movies man

  • @fluffykickflipper Yeah, I can't get over that movie where the scientists create a weapons to burn men, women, and children alive. It is called "Hiroshima!" You may have seen the sequel "A Bomb Too: Nagasaki!"

  • @KaHabbful And ,another thing -- why am I still alive WAY past the 40 mark??? -- never had drugs or "modern medicine" that's for sure!

    I bet you thrive on a ton of sugar -- No 1 food poison in the world .

  • @brettymike How do you know that sugar is bad for you? How do you know that sugar is even a carbohydrate? How do you know how to take a starch and use an enzyme like alpha amylase to make sugar from it like malt sugar? How do you know that sugar comes in different forms, some with less glycemic load? How do we know that yeast turn sugar to alcohol? How do we know that honey is healthier? Science. If you reject scientific knowledge you would know none of these thing. My point is proven.

  • @KaHabbful I think @brettymike makes the point similar to science has also brought us the refined sugars, have tortured animals to do it, and rarely takes responsibility for the consequences - diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc. "Here is a great new toy [sugar, drugs, bombs], oh and when it is destructive, we may of *may not* get funding to research a remedy." I am not arguing against science and technology, but just that in the scheme of things their place is small and often destructive.

  • @FathomlessJoy Hi FathomlessJoy, well said on all your posts!.

  • @KaHabbful Case in point: high frustose corn syrup. Scientists, working not for public good but for billion dollar corporations, find ways to extract and genetically manipulate corn to create a super hybred of sweetness that is cheap, unnatural, and health consquences unknown. Greedy corp X takes the discovery, patents the process, puts it in EVERYTHING and everyone is happy. Until it becomes the most accepted addictive substance on the planet and makes untold numbers of lives miserable. 1 of 2

  • @KaHabbful HFCS starts to cause mass decades of destruction, untold diseases and death, diabetes, stroke, cancer, who knows? who cares? science gave it to us, it must be wonderful, right?!? Then scientists, employed again by greedy corps or a corrupt government, give us 15,000 studies, all in conflict, coining all kinds of mumbo jumbo like "glycemic load" and "insulin resistence," etc. NEVER NEVER NEVER taking responsiblity to say, "We were wrong, HFCS is poison we made, stop eating it!" See?

  • @FathomlessJoy well put, brother.

  • @brettymike but thanks for the book recommendation, I will be sure to check that out. It looks very interesting.

  • @KaHabbful You will find 'book3' online on pdf, It's huge and I am still reading it,best book I have ever read in my life (wrong side of 45 :) ).

  • Why did the guy say ppl will probably not want to meet them because the trip is not a pleasant one.

    Is DMT a wild trip?

  • bitch was tripping before driving her son on a field trip lolololo

  • 6:18 I think this guy actually is on DMT during the interview

  • @3:13..isn't that George Bush jr with a wig...O_o

  • is DMT the same as magic muchrooms?

  • @wastedonsex no, different chemicals.

  • @wastedonsex DMT is not like Magic Mushrooms.

    Each is remarkable in their own respect.

  • Anyone arguing against DMT is arguing against nature and science.

  • @ejayarts, This is all a demonic delusion in the mind. Most people can't see this because they are in prelest --spiritual delusion.

  • Anyone who trashes DMT is a sick puppy of the rotten society. Also, you've never taken it or experienced it so STFU with your DRUGS IS BAD bullshit.

  • You will NEVER be able to scientifically document a " mind altering " experience short of saying it was mind altering...O_o...it has everything to do with the users mental state and a million other variables that are constantly changing. Psychedelics are not the answer for anything and at the very least, is very dangerous.

  • @InsideOUT37 many people have had experiences to the contrary. driving to work is dangerous too but it has its rewards, similarly psychedelic drugs have risks but also reward.

  • @scudberry ...I would disagree...drugs are not needed except in a medical emergency. Big Pharma and drug addicts have the same message..a pill for everything. I don't think driving to work while you are conscious and in control are the same as having hallucinations and are NOT in control...O_o

  • @InsideOUT37 What about when you die? Do u think u have control over that? This life isn't about being in control we're never in control don't you get it? Everything is inevitable.

  • @koger227..." we're never in control, don't you get it "..0_o..really? What I get is someone has been feeding you some pretty dumb information. You have a choice as to how your life will play out..we all do. Of course while we have free will and can make any choice we want, the consequences of those choices are not always guaranteed or even wanted. As for dying..people die ever day as a result of the CHOICES they have made in life. You are the master of your destiny..claim it or lose it. :)

  • @InsideOUT37 You can easily document "mind altering" (whatever you mean by that) experiences with brain-scans. You can clearly see that the patterns, the way neurons fire, and how the receptors in neurons act, are different when you are on any drug (including alcohol) than when you are in a "normal" state of mind. Measuring will be even easier in the future when we can send nano-bots into the brain in order to measure every single neuron.

  • @astro..Science knows very little about what happens in the " mind " and as a matter of fact, many still don't even believe in the mind concept or a person even having a soul. As for nano-bots running around the body..0_o..that kind of thing makes for an interesting movie but I doubt man will survive long enough to achieve that lofty dream. There are many interesting things developing in the world of genetic modification..that will happen before anything else, by then, we will be doomed. :)

  • @InsideOUT37 There are very few who doubt there is a mind (a subjective qualitative experience). A soul on the other hand, most scientists probably doubt anything exists of that nature.

    Actually, nano-bots already exist, and they are used to measure animal brains already, and will probably be used on humans in the near future. These are the only objective tools we have (for now) to study the brain. And this can provide us with a very good understanding of what a mind actually is.

  • @astro..Michio kaku ( know who he is? ) laughed when asked about nanobots.It wasn't because he thought they were real. I'm not saying your lying, not at all BUT I think people are confusing nanobots with other techniques ( chemical ) that are used and claiming they are little machines running around the body..you know like a chemical that is ingested that can be traced and followed through out the body.I'm with Michio, we can't make a bot to pick up pair of socks let alone run in our veins. :/

  • @InsideOUT37 They do exist, just search for brain scans using nano technology or something, I learned about the from Ray Kurtzweils book "the singularity is near" Even Kaku will be amazed at what we will have in five years.

    Anyway, what we talked about was knowing the mind, and we will understand the mind in the future. The technology isn't quite there yet, but soon enough. And robotics is probably the fastest growing field in science today, that and artificial intelligence.

  • @InsideOUT37 "There are many interesting things developing in the world of genetic modification..that will happen before anything else, by then, we will be doomed. :)"

    wise words

  • This is one experience I am proud to say I have traveled!!!! Life Changing <3

  • The powers that lord over us, will never allow us to have this as it expands our minds and that goes against their plans for us gold slaves.

  • I keep getting heat from friends and family that say any substance you take to enhance spiritual experiences is not natural... it's not normal reality, etc. Even a lady I work with who has a natural ability to see and communicate with spirit guides in an accurate way is totally against this... She says it deals with lower astral dimensions and entities... You can't argue with people they will fight it to no end. In my heart of hearts, Aya feels right in every way~~~

  • It seems that DMT actually acts as the vessel for consciousness... This is directly connected to an afterlife.. when you die DMT is released and your consciousness is transfered to a different dimension. It all makes sense.

  • @BeBopDeluxe85 holy cheese..

  • @BeBopDeluxe85

    I have tripped on pretty much everything but we dont know its released when you die. We would have to monitor a brain at the time of death. Correct me if i am wrong.peace

  • @Quinno77 thats how they figured that out man Massive doeses of dmt are released at death

  • THE DMT MOLECULE IS IN EVERYTHING THAT WASNT MAN MADE so dont give me some bullshit on how its a drug..PERIOD

  • anyone can get hold of this and live in RUGBY, WARWICKSHIRE, ENGLAND, please message me

  • i need to find a volunteer center so i can subject myself to this experience. sounds like a fucking sweet ass time

  • @FloridianAsshole22 you can always just make it yourself. the ingredients and process is pretty simple. it just takes about 2 weeks to get the final product. there's lots of recipes and methods online if your interested. most methods online will get you about 50 doses.

  • I hope i can get some real psychedelics soon this stuff sounds incredible.

  • NiT GriT

  • " i would like to see bush get a dose of DMT

  • @keeyk118b DMT doesn't harm you as long as you're prepared, it doesn't show you ant thing thats not already there. You trip on DMT every time you are in deep REM sleep, so the experience would seem familiar to you.

  • @NightSurfer47 to me it is unnatural.

  • why would anyone want to take a ' trip"? i have never taken a "trip" and am not even curious.

  • @keeyk118b Tripping is a beautiful process in the ways you view everything. There are lots of reasons why people would want to trip. Too bad you will never experiance the full extent of what life can offer because of your attitudes, because it is absolutly amazing.

  • @deadman20008 i would rather take a long walk in a nature reserve and observe wild life than take drugs that mght harm me for a " trip".

  • @keeyk118b well some drungs are not as bad as alcohol. Belive me, you will never get as close to nature as you would high.

  • @deadman20008 i only drink red wine when i attend weddings and parties and only 2 glasses. i do not want to get close to nature. i do not feel the need to experience anything "mystical" .i am expectionately unadventurous in my private life cos i get plenty of excitement in my work.

  • @keeyk118b Well I guess if you are happy there is nothing I can really say. I enjoy the occasional trip and the odd night of drinking because I have fun in doing so.

  • @deadman20008 to each his own. have a nice day.

  • @keeyk118b ' to each his own' basically 'you're full of shit but I like my own shit thank you very much'

  • @keeyk118b What you say, though, contradicts itself extremely. DMT is natural, and IS nature. It is naturally in our brains, in the brains of animals, and even in things as simple as grass. You simply can not say it is unnatural, because that IS false. If you ask me, there is no better way to get closer to nature than by altering you consciousness with something FOUND in nature. When you say "To me it is unnatural" you're really saying "To me, it is foreign." However, I respect your decision.

  • @MrCashsRedemption if you drink 3 liters of water a day you will be fine. you will just pee more. if you drink gallons of water every hour for a few hours you can get very ill from hyponatremia . you can even die. dmt is found in our brains in minute amounts. dmt is not found in high levels in our brains even when we dream so i say ingesting dmt to get high levels in the brain is unnatural.

  • @keeyk118b That I agree with. However, and yes I understand you were using water as just a comparison, water and DMT are different because overdosing on DMT simply does not happen. No one has have ever done it, and there have been no recorded acounts of that. Keeky but that's simply not true.. Depending on how much you smoke, most people experience "trips" on even a smaller amount of DMT than is naturally produced in the brain when they dream. DMT is natural, and safer than too much water.

  • @MrCashsRedemption from what i have read, dmt is postulated to be produced in the pineal gland but is it really ?dmt would not kill you outright but who knows repeated use can do over the long term.

  • @keeyk118b Yet you're incorrect. DMT is a natural neuro chemical, LIKE DOPAMINE (the chemical that makes us happy) It's known that people more active, and just happier people in general, have much higher levels of Dopamine in the brain, yet surely you aren't going to say that Dopamine has negative long term affects? DMT and Dopamine are both the same type of chemical. Understand this. As you further your education of drugs, you will learn the difference between good and bad. It's a fine line.

  • @MrCashsRedemption You mean serotonin.

  • @jahstinification no, I most certainly do not mean Serotonin. The Serotonin is a neurotransmitter, and while it DOES play a roll in the feelings of happiness, Dopamine is the primary chemical responsible for such thing. Serotonin = transmitter/ Dopamine = chemical

  • @jahstinification No, the Serotonin is a neuro-transmitter in the brain, and while it does play a roll in feeling joy, it is not the same as Dopamine, the actual chemical.

  • @keeyk118b Infact, DMT is used in other countries, such as Brazil, as medicine. It has even combated Parkinson's disease symptoms in a young girl, before. I mean no disrespect towards you in anyway, and you approach drugs with the correct attitude; a skeptical one.

  • @deadman20008 if you don't trip that doesn't mean you're missing out on anything. when we die we will all experience the effects but on a much larger scale.

  • @AaronConnorM What if you are wrong (which there is a very high possibility that you are) then you will never experiance any of this amazing inhanced reality that regular life will never give you.

  • @deadman20008 First off, what is 'regular life' ? someones reality might be someones else's trip, and vice versa. and if you have tried DMT before you would understand the relationship between it and death.

  • anyone know who makes those glasses the rabbi (2nd guy) has?

  • Dr. Robert G said it best ... but we shouldn't be deprived of the truth in life and everything that ignorance stops us from experiencing. don't even get me started!

  • haha you blasted off bitch

  • where da hell can i find dis shit???

  • @BlackTraxcks apparently it can be made out of some grass species,,like...grass, unreal

  • I gotta solution!!! How does dmt give u dreams for all eternity when your organs and flesh desinegrate??? Answer that sinners!!! Hahaha

  • @freezi420 Your thought is material?

  • There are some scary dudes on here.

  • Your car is still parked where you left it - you don't live in my area bro!

  • I haven't taken it but I am a chemist. This is physically one of the safest things for you to take and it's appeal is that it's not found in the system as it is a chemical your body already creates - a large amount is dispersed into your when you are born and die. Not that I am encouraging recreational drug use but I would chose to ignore these people who are oblivious to what they are talking about and ignorant to the true facts. Physically it is a very safe drug if pure.

  • OH ! I SEA *

  • One person had a bad trip

  • lol bitch smoked dmt the morning of her kids field trip!!she crazy?!

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  • the creator of pokemon was on DMT

  • @LedZepOnWeed wait, for real??

  • note to self, do some DMT before i die

  • @Streety101101 From what I understand a large amount of DMT is released into your system as you die, so you won't really have a choice.

  • @CrackeTheSkull hahaha true but you know what i mean. silly billy.

  • @Streety101101 lol, youe on it While your dieng

  • @Streety101101 you should try it for sure ..it is beyond amazing...a door to another dimension ..i love using DMT and also shrooms!

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  • What a shit documentary, just people talking

  • haha, one person: "i don't like this"

  • We all trip on small amounts of DMT every night : D, yet its a class A drug wtf. if you want to try legal dmt extract, try Yopo seeds, the shamans snort this when grounded up it is not as good as synthysised however.

  • @mikejskittles6667779 its not large ammounts, its like 90% bigger ammount than smoking it

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  • DMT in a floatation/isolation tank? what would it be like?

  • bush with a dose of dmt?! haha i think he ist human at all

  • bt its only a drug because its main streamed as a drug because its illegal bt they are doing research with DMT which is made from plant's that evoluted beside us that other civilization used, so becoz your a fuckn sheep doesnt mean every one is leftside

  • Lol ppl actually arguing about spelling

  • This video exemplifies why I dislike the new age movement so much. They trick themselves that they are moving away from religion and god by trying to use science but all they do is bounce right back into spiritual nonsense with Chakras, crystals, universal consciousness and other retarded buzzwords.

  • @aoakampfer Whatever you may think about the opinions of these interviewees, the research they are discussing is anything but new age and undeniably scientific. I suggest you research it yourself. So when you trip you know for sure it was all in your head? Have you ever taken 0.4mg/kg of intravenous DMT? This research was done on many doctors, lawyers and people with vast experience of taking other hallucinogens. Most of them said their experience could not be compared to any other drug. 

  • @CalmlyHysterical

    Except that there is no clear line between who is getting all 'new age' or who is remaining rationally scientific about it.

    The only thing that is special about DMT is the way it effects your brain. But its a drug like any other substance. Its all purely in your head and you are not going to be revealed any universal truths by consuming a substance. The research may be valid, but much of the conclusions reached at the end by the inteviewees is just new age bullshit.

  • What these experiments can do is reveal more about the nature of consciousness and how neurochemicals can interfere with normal function and alter our state of mind. Its all generated within the brain. But we are NOT seeing 'more'. This is a fallacious lie. You may be interpreting information differently, but its not 'new' information. Its possibly more like LSD, which inhibits the region of your brain that recalls old concepts and allows the brain to look at things in a different way.

  • @CalmlyHysterical

    " Most of them said their experience could not be compared to any other drug."

    And your point being? Its still just a drug and effects your brain in a different way. Its powerful, but we don't need to attribute the mystical and unexplainable rationale to DMT. Don't confuse unexplained with unexplainable. DMT research will evolve like any other drug and the only 'spiritual' things about it will be the crap spouted from the mouthes of the weak willed and credulous.

  • @aoakampfer My point being the answer to the question I asked you. You say you've been high etc but have you ever tried 0.4mg/kg of intravenous DMT? If not, and you still maintain that you know for sure that everything these people experienced is entirely chemical reactions within their brains, I believe that is an arrogant and closed minded attitude. I never said these things were unexplainable by their very nature. But many of them may be unexplainable with our current knowledge.

  • @aoakampfer And it depends what you mean by spiritual. It would seem that to you something that it is possible to foresee being explainable at some point in time, is not spiritual. For another, it might mean a deeper connection or understanding of existence through a drug experience. Who are you to say definitively that these people did not temporarily experience a level of intuitive understanding of the universe that cannot be put into words or scientific theories? Do you really know that much?

  • @CalmlyHysterical Everything within your brain is being regulated by epigenetic factors, chemical gradients, electrical potentials and networking of your neurons. To suggest that a metaphysical 'spirit' is somehow involved in these experiments or any altered mind state is an utterly fallacious argument which is unsupported by the evidence. Subjective claims mean absolutely nothing to proving any point other then making flowery statements about existence.

  • @CalmlyHysterical Its their fault then for not making it clearer what they meant by spirituality, thus making their claims and evidence even more flawed. And I will tell you that these people didn't connect with the universe any more then I am connected with it right now. Just because they have an experience which they cannot explain, doesn't mean we need to leap to the unexplainable to justify their claims. Its not about me knowing, its about thinking rationally.

  • @aoakampfer Another point on this. While I am very suspicious myself of anyone making claims about chakras and crystals etc, I recently had an experience with a previously VERY rational and sceptically minded relative who was studying physics but then switched to philosophy and religious studies after an experience he had in a non drug induced state he found he could not explain scientifically. Within this experience he perceived things he later found described in detail in books on......

  • @CalmlyHysterical There are many things that could cause someone to abandon reason for superstition. And a person's beliefs is not an indicator of how smart they are. All religions make these claims, yet none are able to substantiate anything under controlled conditions. This is why Psi research hasn't gone anywhere in the past several decades, because they cannot prove anything in a controlled environment in which cheating isn't allowed.

  • @aoakampfer shamanism, and religious and mystical experiences. Also he saw detailed symbols and visions he would later find in books and be shocked that they matched his own so clearly. Of course, I myself did not experience this but I know him well and know he's not deluded. So how am I supposed to look at this? What if, and I offer this only as food for thought and not an opinion one way or another, what if there are some things within the real world of experience that can. . . .

  • @CalmlyHysterical Also how did this relative knew what he knew he saw? Did he write the images down the moment he had this epiphany? Or do you think there is a little bit of cognitive bias going on here? Lots of people claim to see shapes in the sky and aliens and will recall images and such in relation to something in a list, but when it comes to drawing and naming these objects without the help of a premade list, its seen that their descriptions greatly differ.

  • @CalmlyHysterical The point is, the brain is really complex, and by complex I mean we can't even explain consciousness yet on a level that is meaningful at all. But I do not think that it is an excuse to do lazy thinking and jump into mystical thinking that cannot be tested at all. Chemicals in your brain alter your brain states, make you think, feel and experience things differently. When you take drugs like this, your perception changes, not your connection with external reality.

  • @aoakampfer . . . ONLY be experienced subjectively. That there is no possible way to study practically, but are nonetheless still universal. I have a deep respect for science and it's methods, but also try to be honest with myself about its limitations. And it seems to me that most people who ALWAYS side with the current scientific materialist explanation, will not question anything more deeply until they experience something themselves which does not fit with their scientific model.

  • @CalmlyHysterical I don't need to take intravenous to know that all the experiences are generated within the mind because thinking otherwise would force you to throw out all the science we do know about neurology and cognitive psychology. In science, if you come across something ground breaking in your data, its most likely a flaw in the experiment and conclusions you've made. These people are not going to rewrite the book on neurology any time soon with poor studies like this.

  • @aoakampfer You make many good points. As already stated I have a great respect for science and understand that we as a species would not enjoy anything like the understanding we do if it weren't for the scientific method. However, you lose me when you say firstly that we can't even explain consciousness yet on any meaningful level, and next say that we would have to throw out all the science we know about neurology and cognitive psychology to get to anything non-brain based. . . .

  • @aoakampfer . . .in mystical experiences. Have you ever heard the idea that the brain may in certain states act more as a radio receiver than simply a computer with all data already onboard? I know it is easy to scoff at ideas such as this when there's no raw data, but ask yourself, why would there be? There is a very real aversion in science to the study of ANYTHING that has even the slightest hint of the metaphysical. It simply does not get funded. Your reaction to this study is a . . .