I don't think it is contracts he has a problem with. He allowed Nike to use his stuff but he never changed what he was saying. he has not changed his message from one of progress to one of violence or vanity.He is is still truth.
'.. if somebody is to stand up as a conscientious, bohemian, left wing figurehead, [...] the image is shattered.'
I don't think he's trying to be any sort of figurehead, he's just being true to himself. His reasons for doin the ad were rational, I don't think he's compromised his art at all. Is that really what it's all about anyway, the image? Shattering the image is a good thing. It forces you to question why you like certain artists and not others.
also saul has spoken about this, he said the song list of demands is about the people demanding their rights back from corporations/government... so it talking shit about corporations like nike on a nike commercial... pretty funny...
why is everyone hating on me for that, i personally think being paid off by a notoriously evil major corporation to indorse one of their products is a sellout thing to do
Do u honestly think people are buying Nikes because they heard a Saul Williams jam??? Do the have Saul Williams Nikes?? No Saul used Nike to get him out there. Everybody knows Nike and have decided before that if they buy their brand, but now alot more people have been introduced to Saul Williams. See when you grow up, things arent as simple as 1,2,3...
No, I do not think that at all. What I am suggesting is that if somebody is to stand up as a conscientious, bohemian, left wing figurehead, being in a scenario whereby money changes hands between a company such as Nike, regardless of who comes off better in your eyes or whatever, the image is shattered.
That is only my view, no need to act like a sarcastic dickhead
i thank you sir. i think the problem here is that when people hold someone high as a figureghead or hero in their lives, they refuse to believe that they could possibly do wrong.
Since when is radical action purely irrational? Every action no matter how radical or reserved is weighed against some degree of rationality. Saul didn't do wrong by letting Nike use his material, he simply used another route to expand his fanbase and his message, and it worked. Over half the people I talk to know Saul by the Nike commercial and from there they find the truth. It was a smart move and a radical one from the perspective of a purist Saul fan. The radical life is unpredictable.
I would hardly call "List of Demands" Saul's brainchild but I guess that's just my opinion.
It's easy to point the finger when you support these terrorists of the modern age, but I'm sure you grow your own food, make your own clothes and shoes and don't pay bills to help fund these tyrants so it's all good...oh wait.
I really think that's a zany claim. I'm sure there weren't many people who saw the commercial and immediately felt the urge to buy nikes, if anything they just explored the song.
It's still a zany claim because once again, people don't buy nikes because of the music in their commercial and you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who says "Yea, I saw a Nike commercial and really dug the song so I bought some shoes"
Well good for you, but until then you're kind of a hypocrite.
Yea, it's HIS creation meaning no matter who uses it it's still Saul's message that's getting out there no matter what context it's put it. Nike didn't make his message any less great by a comercial
I'm not arguing that the message is good. My argument is that his other actions lack congruency to his work.
How exactly am i a hypocrite?
The idea is to find music that people find attractive. No, people don't say "Yea, I saw a Nike commercial and really dug the song so I bought some shoes" but that doesn't matter. What matters is that advertising affects the "subconscious" part of the mind. That's what advertising is. C'mon people.
That's not what you're arguing, you're arguing that his ACTION lacks congruency with his work and my question to that claim is how do you know what his interpretation of his message is and how does this conflict with his message if it is reaching a broader audience.
Until you move out into the wilderness you're a hypocrite.
Yes music affects the subconscious so it's more likely that people will get the message of the music than them supporting Nike.
It's true that advertising is all about getting people to do what you want, but the thing about advertising is that in many instances it simply assumes people overlook one thing in favor of the message they're trying to send. People will hear "List of Demands" playing and if they're anything like me they'll laugh because it's obvious that the song's pretty anti-establishment.
I personally am not making him a God so if that comment was for me then there's my rebuttal.
No less, what's with all of this "he is truth" business? His wods are true, not his person. This kind of cult of personality thing is crazy.
He is a human being like any other and thus, subject to mistakes. I'm not judging him, I'm just saying that he's not the godlike figure you guys are building him into. ther is no such thing as a perfect king.
This is actually called Coded Language
orgnice 1 year ago
@orgnice oh ok i'll change the title. "why africa matters" was the event.
Acumensch 1 year ago
2 rappers slain/ jigga and lil wayne!!!.......i woulda added that
blakaxx88 1 year ago
Very impressive!
BrianDornTFP 2 years ago
I don't think it is contracts he has a problem with. He allowed Nike to use his stuff but he never changed what he was saying. he has not changed his message from one of progress to one of violence or vanity.He is is still truth.
urlocalSAVAGE 2 years ago
this is an image that can nevah be shattered^^^^
isareturns 2 years ago
'.. if somebody is to stand up as a conscientious, bohemian, left wing figurehead, [...] the image is shattered.'
I don't think he's trying to be any sort of figurehead, he's just being true to himself. His reasons for doin the ad were rational, I don't think he's compromised his art at all. Is that really what it's all about anyway, the image? Shattering the image is a good thing. It forces you to question why you like certain artists and not others.
ShatterThePrism 2 years ago
can someone explain this poem to me
~dRAMA...
kingmomo010 2 years ago
he speaks about:
be smart enough to admit you don't know the unknown.
that which is, is everything.
we all are made of water, chemical compounds, and minerals.
he also exploits the truth that in nature there are no laws, true freedom basically...
sorry he talks fast, this is all I really got..
refuel829 2 years ago
"Can someone explain this poem to me?"
No. You.
MaBu888 2 years ago
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this cat is amazing but i was so sad to see that his song list of demands was used in a nike commercial. how much of a sellout can you be??
made me so sad
broseph127 3 years ago
you're wrong. nike sneaks were used in a saul williams commercial
oxyhemoglobin 3 years ago 12
well said
killphil1986 3 years ago
also saul has spoken about this, he said the song list of demands is about the people demanding their rights back from corporations/government... so it talking shit about corporations like nike on a nike commercial... pretty funny...
killphil1986 3 years ago
I couldn't agree with you more
Cmndr95 2 years ago
what a simple minded child....
icecoldxox 2 years ago
why is everyone hating on me for that, i personally think being paid off by a notoriously evil major corporation to indorse one of their products is a sellout thing to do
u lot can all go get fucked
broseph127 2 years ago
Do u honestly think people are buying Nikes because they heard a Saul Williams jam??? Do the have Saul Williams Nikes?? No Saul used Nike to get him out there. Everybody knows Nike and have decided before that if they buy their brand, but now alot more people have been introduced to Saul Williams. See when you grow up, things arent as simple as 1,2,3...
icecoldxox 2 years ago
No, I do not think that at all. What I am suggesting is that if somebody is to stand up as a conscientious, bohemian, left wing figurehead, being in a scenario whereby money changes hands between a company such as Nike, regardless of who comes off better in your eyes or whatever, the image is shattered.
That is only my view, no need to act like a sarcastic dickhead
broseph127 2 years ago
I agree with this guy, actually. Sure, maybe Saul's actions were "rational"
But Saul's writing never advocates rational action. Just read the prologue of Said the shotgun to the head...
He is a man that (rightfully) demands not rational, but RADICAL action and life.
And to trade that in for a few dollars and a little recognition? That's heartbreaking for those of us who dreamed his dreams of freedom and love.
Fuck Nike.
therabbiomchomsky 2 years ago
i thank you sir. i think the problem here is that when people hold someone high as a figureghead or hero in their lives, they refuse to believe that they could possibly do wrong.
broseph127 2 years ago
Well, naturally. No one likes to see their heroes fail.
therabbiomchomsky 2 years ago
Since when is radical action purely irrational? Every action no matter how radical or reserved is weighed against some degree of rationality. Saul didn't do wrong by letting Nike use his material, he simply used another route to expand his fanbase and his message, and it worked. Over half the people I talk to know Saul by the Nike commercial and from there they find the truth. It was a smart move and a radical one from the perspective of a purist Saul fan. The radical life is unpredictable.
Orile277 2 years ago
True, it is radical to sell your brainchild to a company that practically enslaves it's workers.
The voice of his writing speaks against associating with such slavers, the TRUE terrorists of the modern age who would gladly crush a life for profit.
To help such a corporation use his art as a medium to expand it's sales is shameless. No excuse.
therabbiomchomsky 2 years ago
I would hardly call "List of Demands" Saul's brainchild but I guess that's just my opinion.
It's easy to point the finger when you support these terrorists of the modern age, but I'm sure you grow your own food, make your own clothes and shoes and don't pay bills to help fund these tyrants so it's all good...oh wait.
I really think that's a zany claim. I'm sure there weren't many people who saw the commercial and immediately felt the urge to buy nikes, if anything they just explored the song.
Orile277 2 years ago
A zany claim? Isn't that the point of advertising? They wouldn't put the song on the commercial if they didn't think that it would boost sales.
Oh, and by the way, I AM planning on moving out into the Wilderness as soon as I have completed my empirical education. So it's all good.
And maybe it's not his brain child, but it IS his creation.
therabbiomchomsky 2 years ago
It's still a zany claim because once again, people don't buy nikes because of the music in their commercial and you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who says "Yea, I saw a Nike commercial and really dug the song so I bought some shoes"
Well good for you, but until then you're kind of a hypocrite.
Yea, it's HIS creation meaning no matter who uses it it's still Saul's message that's getting out there no matter what context it's put it. Nike didn't make his message any less great by a comercial
Orile277 2 years ago
I'm not arguing that the message is good. My argument is that his other actions lack congruency to his work.
How exactly am i a hypocrite?
The idea is to find music that people find attractive. No, people don't say "Yea, I saw a Nike commercial and really dug the song so I bought some shoes" but that doesn't matter. What matters is that advertising affects the "subconscious" part of the mind. That's what advertising is. C'mon people.
therabbiomchomsky 2 years ago
That's not what you're arguing, you're arguing that his ACTION lacks congruency with his work and my question to that claim is how do you know what his interpretation of his message is and how does this conflict with his message if it is reaching a broader audience.
Until you move out into the wilderness you're a hypocrite.
Yes music affects the subconscious so it's more likely that people will get the message of the music than them supporting Nike.
Orile277 2 years ago
It's true that advertising is all about getting people to do what you want, but the thing about advertising is that in many instances it simply assumes people overlook one thing in favor of the message they're trying to send. People will hear "List of Demands" playing and if they're anything like me they'll laugh because it's obvious that the song's pretty anti-establishment.
I personally am not making him a God so if that comment was for me then there's my rebuttal.
Orile277 2 years ago
A valid point, but I still say that he who mocks society's ways should not sell his art into said society.
therabbiomchomsky 2 years ago
Well that's one way to view life, but how can society grow or change if this "he" never makes his grievances known to society?
Orile277 2 years ago
He's already doing that, but the portion of the song on the commercial failed to do so.
therabbiomchomsky 2 years ago
It succeeded to get more people talking about him.
Orile277 2 years ago
No less, what's with all of this "he is truth" business? His wods are true, not his person. This kind of cult of personality thing is crazy.
He is a human being like any other and thus, subject to mistakes. I'm not judging him, I'm just saying that he's not the godlike figure you guys are building him into. ther is no such thing as a perfect king.
therabbiomchomsky 2 years ago
A human that can speak what the mind really things. Done by very few.
NatFlyer 3 years ago
& goosebumps ;)
amerattila 3 years ago 3
Two hands. Two legs. A body. a Brain.
mihagro 3 years ago