Wide Kicks

[ClassicCult]

the mono sounds better with you

[Pipotron3000]

Using two different kicks panned gives a lot of phases troubles in the bass domain.

Same with delayed kick.

Use a split stereo tool and only use it on the mids/highs.

Those stereo tools are using Haas effect.

Same to create a stereo bass or anything in the bass domain, like toms percussions ;)

The trick is NEVER blending bass domain signal in stereo by any mean, you will loose all the impact when played back in car, club...anything else than headphones :D

[OGMasterHaze]

@Pipotron3000 Exactly Right

[DallasGreen123]

there never was any myth, you just did it wrong...

[RoboticusMusic]

actually the levels could be different because of pan laws but thats all they would be hearing. Now if this was an analog board there would be a slight difference but who really cares to go through that trouble.

[gethighbonzo]

hahahah

[bestplugins]

same sound in both sides of the stereo = mono. Only way to make a stereo kick is using different samples, or a short delay in one of the kicks, or a stereo imaging.

[KelseyBDJ]

How could you widen a mono channel just by panning hard left/right. Its just the same sound coming out of both speakers. It makes sence just thinking about it. I don't know what people were thinking.

[DjMojsterJaka]

unnecessary complication. why use the allready small bass space? i use kick(mono) in center and rather surround it with bass and subbas and it makes a better effect than this:) less is more and if needed you can widen it in mastering time:)

[pod054321]

1 channel (left or right) must be delayed for any width. 10-25ms

[RagtimeMD]

@pod054321 Delayed left and right for drums don't sound good. Detuning is probably better

[gdub12345]

The only way to make it sound wider doing this is to have them panned, then add a delay to one of the channels and set the delay time to something really short, 1 - 27 ms, anymore and it starts to sound just like a kick with a delay on but with a really short delay time it works, the higher the delay time in ms the wider out it sounds. A weird effect as you can make things sound like they are panned further than the speakers are apart lol.

[W4RW017]

@gdub12345 No actually, the only way to make the sound wider is the process the different sides differently. The Haas trick is only one way to spread the stereo, and one you certainly shouldn't do on kicks because it makes the sound slightly off-balance (towards the earlier delay).

[gdub12345]

@W4RW017 I never said it is something I would use myself, it doesn't actually make it true stereo of course because its just a mono signal to start with. What would you define as the difference between "spreading the stereo" and making a sound "wider". Width in a stereo mix is the perceived coverage of the entire stereo field that one sound/instrument is occupying at any one time. If you pan it with no delay and process them differently that's still not stereo its 2 different mono signals.

[bonebrew22]

I think if you do some mid/Side EQing that might affect it.

maybe punch 100Hz on the left, and 50Hz on the right by a dB and compress them together?

I dont know TBH I've always though that this 'myth' was gobshite

[Cityj0hn]

So basically, when you divide 2 by 2 and then add one its still 2?

Omg call the Cambridge mathematics department they need to know this!

I keed :)

[eArtrash]

Hey Phil, out of curiosity..what was the Myth?

[LightWillIgniteUsAll]

@eArtrash Basically a myth that if you duplicate your kick so that there's 2 and then pan them opposite of one another, it'll sound bigger than if there was just one in the center.

Myth busted.

[MarcioYTchannel]

@LightWillIgniteUsAll Hmmm, sounds interesting

[pillFight]

@eArtrash I wonder the same haha

[eArtrash]

*myth ;)