Why People Hate Art: Brad and Kyle at SoOnCon 2011

[camdenhardy]

Anecdotes masquerading as research do not make a convincing argument.

Your conclusion that "the system is broken" because your friend with a master's degree can't hang a painting is, at its very best, naive. Having directly experienced an MFA program (and spoken with artists involved in many other such programs), I'd argue the more plausible explanation is that your friend really dropped the ball on her education, or her school, faculty, and peers all failed her (or both).

[pozzapizzapizza]

this is about as 'subversive' as mitt romney. seriously, its this type of of "critique" that i find more pretentious than bullshit art-talk. honestly boys, i'd take a deflated balloon and 45 minutes of pandering over this self-rightous defense of ignorance and shitty art.

[theheadlessrabbit]

@pozzapizzapizza

Ha!

This comment made my night

Thanks for watching.

[theheadlessrabbit]

@Kwimzie2423

Glad to hear I'm not the only one frustrated by it.

This talk came out of a pile of rough notes that I am still expanding. I'm up to 10,000 words. Not sure what I'm going to do with it all, but that's a lot of Haterade to dump on the art world. Can't wait.

[john79341]

i like your vid but took an arrow to the knee...

[azuremily]

I think the idea of making art accessible to the general public/easily understandable by the masses is a decent one in that it looks at the art world with a more realistic, less highfalutin approach, but I also think it's kind of dangerous. If we're ideally all just aiming to create art that is aesthetically pleasing, easy to understand, and generally "effing cool," doesn't the art world stand to lose a lot of substance in search of aesthetic value?

[azuremily]

I'm not sure if I totally 100% agree with this. It's a great talk with many valid points, but in my opinion, half of the fun of viewing art is analyzing it and searching for meaning within it. easily understandable artwork doesn't sound too interesting.

[theheadlessrabbit]

@azuremily

I don't think we didn't make this point clearly enough in the presentation, but we aren't saying that art shouldn't have greater meaning, or that art should be easy; we're saying that art should have both, immediate appeal and greater depth. Art that only has one (art that is ONLY eye candy or brain candy) fails. Art should have both.

[Vol7ar]

I had a friend that was in art school and I know of at least 2 projects of his where he just wanted to create something (funny or simple). And then in order to get a decent grade would give BS oral presentations like discussed in the video.

[paxson001]

As someone in a small, expensive art school: I couldn't agree more. I often feel that the fine art world is just fashion for lunatics.

[superquintendo]

CLOSE THAT DAMN DOOR

[cursedbeast]

Really enjoyed this talk! Certainly represents my experience of the art world so far. My girlfriend ended up leaving an art degree after very similar experiences to the friend you mentioned.

Incredibly refreshing to hear it put so eloquently! Kudos!

[jonathanstampf]

Excellent talk. I'd suggest that a large part of the problem is due to fine art being a mode of self expression. Another form of art, advertising, thrives with great quality and constant improvement, and criticism there is rampant and brutal. The art in advertising is done to express the ideas not of the artist, but those of the patron. The artist needs to be answerable. Another form of art that thrives and improves is film making, where the producer is the patron or the agent of the patron(s).

[theheadlessrabbit]

@jonathanstampf

An excellent insight! I never considered the worlds of advertising and film making, but you are dead on!

This is what I meant by the line "an island with no predators" Artists are not accountable. No one holds our feet to the fire. No one in an influential position says, "the work sucks", or "this show is bad".

Thanks for watching, I'm going to have to spend some time with the points you brought up.

[ZahiFarah87]

@jonathanstampf I think you're wrong when you say advertising and/or filmmaking improve because it is answerable to patrons, it "improves", meaning it appeals to more people because the skilled "artists" prefer money over authenticity, thus, they chose to dwell in that commercial world. Which is somewhat understandable, a Man needs to live. That said, there is another counter-argument to your theory, is that films aren't getting better. They're getting simpler.

[jonathanstampf]

@ZahiFarah87 What do you mean by authenticity?

[MistressArte]

When the hell is up with youtube comments? Like I want to delete the one I left a letter out in >.> Bloody idiots don't they know I can't spell? .>.>

[MistressArte]

I write and that's why I have my mom read it because if she gets it then I'm all good. I'm truth be told a bit weird, so it's good to have someone that's more cemented in things to ask look at this is this good? It's a bit awkward though when you put in a sex scene even more if it's violent. XD Crap what am I doing to my mom? I never thought of that before. *hides*

[MistressArte]

How much and what type of drugs do you need to take to be blitzed out of your mind enough buy with real money an invisible painting? Maybe it's the owl in a tree licking a tootsie pop question the world may never know...

[theheadlessrabbit]

@MistressArte

it was the 70's, and it was the art world, so I'm guessing they were on enough LSD to kill a racehorse.

[MistressArte]

@theheadlessrabbit Makes sense. XD