as i watch and understand more i feel very grateful for being able to understand alot more than i had when i was younger im glad i woke up from unconscious, i could see myself a year ago making fun of ken wilber and how hes bald and stuff and not understanding why i would do that but now i fully understand where all those judgments were coming from and why
Fr. Keating does not get a word??? Blah, blah, blah... So many words, with so little connection or profundity. I love how "Integral" is the highest level of spiritual understanding... so fucking humble Ken... Why not just come out and say you're a Buddha and get on with forming your cult of brainwashed zombies? If you can't win them with wisdom, baffle them with bullshit. A+ bullshit. Did he actually re-spell Kosmos to utilize the first letter in Ken? LOL that anyone buys this pedantic idiot.
@smallpotatoes989 well of course you do, you can't even spell sense... lol... unless the mispelling was intentional irony to make the same point, in which case, well done m'lord. Look, there are many paths, but Wilber... ?
@Gnosis2078 well I do now know what his path is, never read his books could not find them in slovenia, but I like his thougts. but he is antisocial personality that has problem communicationg, and he knows it. he does not talk with people but to people.
@Gnosis2078 dude i love kens ideas and the idea of integrating perspectives and i am not a zombie lol im more outgoing and loving than i have ever been, in fact i have transcended ken as a role model and moved on as being a ken wilber myself so you my friend need some work on your unconscious
@Iex97 "Ken's idea of integrating perspectives..." Are you really that naive? Considering multiple points of view is simply called intelligent thinking and there are MANY people who have been doing it long before Wilber came along and pretended to invent it by calling it integral. His books are verbose, repetitious and slathered in needless jargon designed to make it seem like he invented common sense. That said, I could be wrong. What are the 3 most profound things you've learned from him?
Are you seeking truth? Search for "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then click on "The Present" to open it. What it says will blow your mind.
@EndureTemptation anybody "talking" with Wilber HAS to be a good listener... wilber loves the sound of his own voice... if he wants your opinion he'll give it to you!
@presentlightoftruth --I couldn't agree more. And in his self created world w/all his self created 'uber' vocab and concepts who can argue w/him? Strikes me as a 'wanna-be' cultic guru or king of his own better-than-thou world, and since he's the one making it all up, and b/c of his high IQ, no one feels they can take him on. I sense he's highly personally immature-imoo, Strikes me as all 'head and no 'heart'. He speaks as if what he says is truly "real" and has a real foundation in reality.
Religious believers who are "certain" about other states of awareness, religious or spiritual truths, and the sort without the foundation of a personal experience are a fraud within themselves. To accept a belief and attempt to transfer that defintion into knowingness or "the truth" is futile, dishonest, "a lie to themselves" and a form of insanity. Yet we have billions that do this on our planet and even kill those who do not believe in the certainty of their "experience lacking" truths.
Faith is the opposite of belief. To have faith means to let go and become open to the truth, whatever that may be. A person who is fanatic in terms of religion who clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe becomes a person who has no faith at all. In Ken Wilbers work he describes this widenting of perspective or woldviews.
I think Ken Wilber has done a mangnificent job with helping define the major worldviews. I notice that the people who judge his work are those who belive in the mythical(Christian Fundamentalisim). There is a difference between beliving in myths and other religious narratives and knowing via 1st person subjective experience. Wilber differentiates between the two(Mythical Religious World view and the integral (Emergent Spiritual) in his work. Check out the video "Evolution of Consciousness'.
@shayehudson What a pile of crap Shay... "I notice that the people who judge his work are those who belive in the mythical(Christian Fundamentalisim)." You are a complete idiot for stating this as an absolute without a shred of evidence to support it. Was it Ken's idea for you to post this silly retort to the near unanimous rejection here of Ken for Saviour? Did Ken say write that you're either a bible thumper or you follow Wilber like a good zombie? You're hilarious, lost and totally Konfused.
If you are a truth seeker, search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Everyone needs to see this. The Present will turn this world right-side up if it reaches enough people. You will see what I mean when you read the first page.
@presentlightoftruth lol. Okay. I don't hate the Holy Spirit of Christ. I have a different interpretation of what it is. But by all means, feel free to judge. It doesn't bother me any. Namaste.
Sadly I don't understand it all because my mother-tongue isn't Eng
but I can say that this is exactly the reason why I am atheist (at least for the moment) with my 24yrs. seeking for spirituality/enlightment in my life but not with our "wester" religions and on the other hand I do not feel familiar with the eastern culture and their religion.
it feels really empty and I got myself already at a level where I consume very less. something is missing. I think I need to learn how to meditate
Although I agree with the basic idea presented here, I can't help but feel that there is a bit of intellectual fascism posturing as spiritual superiority here. Intellectual ego can be one of the greatest obstacles in spiritual practice. Spirituality is very personal and trying to quantify it may be appealing to the ego as some sort of act of ultimate triumph, but the last thing we want to do is exalt the ego. Spirituality consumes ego. If we aren't burning we aren't on fire.
@goodtwitch: well said and welcome to the world of Ken Wilber-you nailed it in your first sentence imo. No one can argue w/the dude b/c he invented his own take on all the world religions, philosophies, created his own worldview, his vocab, his concepts, language, definitions, so that any challenge to him will result in he or his followers just throwing back at you his own theories, etc.....he can't be challenged b/c there is no equal ground. Even here w/Keating, it's his words, theories posing
@goodtwitch -continued.: posing as dialoguing abt Christianity. He damn smart and this too in combo w/his own created world/domain makes him virtually unchallengeable. I read him in the 90's and realized his work has nothing to do with living in the real world and being able to apply him to any daily life. But he sells his DVD courses on telling one how to do it. Behind that IQ/arrogance is still a capitalist, a human w/psychological issues, and fear and ignorance just like the rest of us.
@tabacblonde Thanks; I find that people with real spiritual lives just do it in private. It's pretty much impossible to buy the truth from people. And to be honest, if you have a real spiritual life you can't really sell it either. It's disappointing when we shop for guidance and get stuff that leads us in circles, but all paths lead back to our inner experience I think and it's not available on dvd.
@goodtwitch Hi again. Yes I fully agree-ppl just do it=no fanfare. There is no one that is a better authority on one that oneself=there can't be. One person's truth is not necessarily anothers' anyway. I am so w/you on how truth can never be sold, and who would w/hold some wonderful spirit insight from another anyway? It would cease to be truly spiritual and be reduced to the material realm. The entire nature of the spiritual is to give freely, to flow, to be compassionate and empty of (cont)
@goodtwitch - of or free from personal gain, egoic agendas, etc.....So funny how so many New Age, et al types have turned themselves into self proclaimed, self identified authorities on subjects that aren't quantifiable, objective, and highly personal to the one having their own spiritual experience. And how they've managed to turn it all into a capitalistic, mundane business model that replicates itself from any other greed driven impersonal corporation cleverly disguised by a good PR firm
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Gay behavior is a psycho-sexual pathology. Men & women have functions & roles. This is the way God intended it to be and is natural. When we diverge from how we were created there are problems. Sex outside of marriage is sin. You can be gay but don't practice the behavior. Sublimate your sexuality & use abstinence as your personal "cross" & sacrifice for the love of God. The Eastern Rite allows marriage. It's a wonderful faith with centuries of human understanding & wisdom.
Dogma can be interpreted as religious opinion or closest approximation, not necessarily fixed and immovable doctrine.
It's easier to sit and talk about peace and love peace but it's harder to make peace. Not everyone that is against war is a peacemaker. Sometimes war is a necessary evil.
I respect that Wilber respects St. Teresa, differences of opinion on certain aspects of his "dogma" notwithstanding.
I agree. And I've done my part to raise awareness of the issue.
A big problem is active homosexuals in the priesthood. This is evidenced by the fact that most of the molestations of children were of boys by pathological gay men.
Studies bear this out, since rape tends to be a crime of abuse of power. In other words, If these were merely cases of rape, you'd see more female victims, which you don't.
The victims of pedophilia are young males. Gay priests are the predators.
@JoeJacari The problem isn't homosexuals. It is that homosexuals are oppressed and can't handle the pain and torment within themselves. They probably become priests because their religion won't allow them to follow their hearts. So, they try to be celibate as priests. Women and men should not be separated the way Catholicism separates them. Homosexuality and Heterosexuality should not be separated the way Catholicism separates them. These separations are the cause of the molestations.
Religion is by no means a path out of human suffering ... It is only a path of self-delusion ... The only path from deluded beliefs in fairy tales & magic sky daddys is logic & reason ...
it's expensive to collect his books, though I got the "brief history of everything"...sort of a primer or "companion manual" for his theory that's explained in detail in his other books...nonetheless, his worldview blows me away...it gives an unparalleled orientation to reality....nothing and no one comes close...I hope to meet him within my lifetime...
Your own guidance, coming from Ken's words, can take you from seeking a state to embodying a "stage" of higher development. In other words, Ken's words are your own swords slashing through your identifications, confusion, delusions, etc.
That quote by Rahner in the info text is an urban legend develeoped from sloppy quoting.
Rahner actually said „Der Fromme von morgen wird ein Mystiker sein, einer, der etwas erfahren hat, oder er wird nicht mehr sein, weil ..." "the DEVOUT of tomorrow will be a mystic, one who has experienced something, or he will be no more, because..."
Religion today is often used only as a excuse for other hitten ideas and agendas, like securing raw material for keeping our western culture running.
We need true integral leaders which don't devide people but unite them. More problems are created today with the focus on total global control and power by a handfull men, who like to create uniformity, scarcity and fear instead of a free flow of creativity and abundance among citizens.
Yes. To me, quite a few conspiracy theories about aliens, good and bad aliens, vested interests and corruption are all too true. This all should be looked through an integral framework somehow. The integral movement currently may be moving that direction in some bloggers, at least one or two. I genuinely believe that there are extraterrestrials right herre on Earth and orbiting Earth. But I don't claim to have any solid orange evidence. I might have indigo or green evidence, though.
I am frustrated. I am waiting for this person, this I amness, to let the other man in the monk's uniform who has been sitting patiently (spiritually), to say something.
Isn't it said that if you thing you know something then you know nothing? I think this is true. Has he had a religious experience? Or is he only good at spinning words?
Hello. Your cynicism is getting in your way. This video is a part of a series. As for what he is talking about, listen again, if it doesn't inconvenience your cynic sensibilities. :)
He has done meditation for over 30 years and can go into a 'religous experience' state in 4 seconds as proven by some EEG readings.
@MrGunwitch You are right in that I was a bit too dimissive before. thanks to the other person for asking me to listen to this clip again. I understood it much better than the first time. I think that looking at the video did not help. This time, I looked away from the screen and just listened. Of course, much of it makes sense and I need to know more about his theories and the research behind it. However, I am still wary of scholars+ talk Surely sprituality must be practised, not only discussed
The problem is not religion, but the commune of faker-thieves. War would end everywhere if public figures like Wilber. and fans like Gore and Clinton, told the truth about US tax-funded war-mongering that goes on in the name of "religion." CIA creations like Taliban and Al Qaeda... Too much money in the false flag war biz to quit the gig, huh? What a sick fraud. Et tu, Father Keating?
I'm surprised Mr. Wilber never talks about psychedelic plants and shamanism as a path to spirituality. I know of no easier method of becoming more spiritual than with the use of ayahuasca.
It's the fast track method but it brings you back to the material world when it's over. Deep meditation has the same effect as Ayahuasca and once mastered can offer a more rewarding result. I am planning a trip to S.america to live it up in the Amazon. :) Have fun.
Does ayahuasca clear the witness... is there a space without objects possible with ayahuasca? Wilber has spoken about herbal spirituality. He has very little experience, admittedly, in herbal/entheogenic experiences. There have been twor or three dialogues, hence, because of that, regarding entheogens.
Its because when you drink Aya or when you smoke DMT you enter the spiritual realm where the spirits actually dwell, no one is ever going to take that at face value and will always dismiss it as just being an illusion of the mind, that is conservative christians or any other religion for that matter. Don't get me wrong, when you enter those dimensions you will encounter evil, at its strongest cause you are in there "house" so to speak, but you can also encounter spirits or "Angels" of god.
I have been doing psychic readings for many years. Religious programming goes deeper than just our religious upbringing. I have seen "spirits" that believe themselves to be angels or demons, but my intuition tells me they are deluded. Not sure if there are "real" demons or angels, anything is possible.
I have dabbled with some shamanism, but have not used drugs. Where do I get this ayahusca? Any evidence of permanent brain damage? I have read that LSD doubles psychic ability but have not wanted to risk taking it. The other thing I would say is that you can learn to go into a trance without drugs, it just takes a little meditation. Is this drug only useful for entering a trance state, or what affect does it have?
There are things that your brain just doesn't DO without the serotonin system stimulation that lysergic acid and psilocin provide.
Ask anyone that's ever tried psychedelics and they'll all agree, afterward it feels like your brain has been on overdrive. It "switches on" certain parts of the brain that generally only function in the background.
There is no good evidence that traditional (serotonergic) psychedelics cause damage unless they are taken (like any other drug) in excessive quantity.
I've learned a lot from Thomas Keating the monk you are refering to ... He's deep contemplative. I think one who keep Ken centered & in place... with no disrespect to Ken who like to yap a lot.
Father Keating is being quiet because Trappist monks are really into not speaking unless it's necessary, which probably seems strange to most Americans who are used to non stop talking even when very little is actually being said. Keating probably feels like Ken is doing a good job of explaining his point and might feel that anything said in addition would be superfluous.
I appreciated becoming aware that my experience of being alive is the only constant I know. It helps me be aware that I have assigned responses to events so that I'm not appreciating things as they are but linking them to past experience. That past experience is feeling and memory, perhaps more. My mind and heart are full of the experiences that I share with great people, but I feel that I have been lazy. I want to overcome myself.
Yes I am open to states of consciousness that I've not yet experienced and it's knowing how to deal with the energy that arises as you begin to experience new states and also maintain equilibrium in thinking and feeling and not become dysfunctional which is at times quite easy to do. why do you ask?
Saying that things do not cause suffering is Bullshit. If you watch your favourite comedy does the comedy make you laugh or not? If you are bombarded with negativity then this may just in fact cause you to suffer a little or maybe even a lot. To say that we can't control or responses is also not true but the response is always coming from something that seems to be or is outside yourself. So to say things don't make you feel any way is uttter nonsense!
If things do not arise, then these cannot cause suffering. Yet if objects come and go... you know what ever you say. Are you open to states and stages of consciousnes that you have not yet experienced or do not remember? Just asking.
come on Ken, you know as well as anyone who has studied Adi Da that suffering is ou own doing. Let's not blame religion.
Religion is basically just a man-made way of giving one an excuse of never realizing God. It's a deistraction, a simple excuse of remaing immature, childish and adolescent. Religion is also a way to be endorsed, to reamin as one is, to console and to prevent real growth. And as it is man-made it will remain as it is until more and more egodeaths occur.May God be realised
Ken, let us not blame religion for ouor suffering. You know as well as anyone who has read Adi Da that suffering is our own acitivity. Religion is simply a by-product of egoic wants and desires, a man-made way of excuse and diversion for ones feelings of inadequacy and failure of realizing God, and thus heaven on earth.
One does not worship oneself, in the case of integral spirituality... and instead infinite gratitude and infinite pride and infinite humility arise. Still, form is emptiness and emptiness is form, and such a nondual realization is beyond ego and ego death and beyond the separate-seeming emptiness and form, and frankly beyond any religion or science or culture,although integral consciousness 'would have us' to integrate body, mind, spirit in self, cutlure and nature. Worship can be taken too far.
is there any other way to heaven except Jesus Christ the Nazareen? we can't be concious all we want, but if the Spirit of God in us how shall we be like Jesus who lived his whole with ever sinning?
Heaven and hell are possible during the life of the physical body. Heaven and hell are transcended and included by vast nondual One Taste. Christianity is just one way out of many, despite what the bible would claim. In mythic terms religious experiences are interpreted as infallible and if someone doesn't believe in itt, then there may be demonizing of the unbelievers, and in the modern stage, such experiences are explained away as brain activity,but integral philosophy is however constructive.
heaven and hell in your present body? wow, these are only possible in the next life. all these philosophies do is glorify humansim? what are humans but just the dust of the earth. will you not die even if yourself concious? if you die after being self concioust ...then this philosophy is useless to me. but if it's useful to you then keep following it
... and heaven and hell, as you can tell, are possible just as much as it is individually, also collectively. It would be good to transcend the suffering that is both pleasure and pain.
But isn't that like saying that when people start knowing God because of what a book or Preacher told them is a sign of the end? If a person has a soul who's power source is God; then, isn't knowing one's breath a better indication of the divine than a mutated folk tale? Wouldn't it be weird if you could monitor many people's breath direction and duration and see if there was a noticeable connection? What are those Cicada saying?
I think a folk tale can tell you quite a bit about the human subconscious mind and it can serve as a metaphorical way to see your own situation and give you insight into what you should do. (through archetypes of the collective unconscious and hero examples, trials and tribulations) Your breath can't do that. Look up "Joseph Campbell - the power of myth- part 2 - message of the myth" - good stuff
We have found Satanism is the original religion of humanity. We have done our research. Satanism is based upon the ancient religions that predated Judaism and Christianity from hundreds to thousands of years.
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This is amazing. I would have never thought that there would be people brained washed like this by this guy. Given the times we are in, I am not so surprised. This man's teachings are so much like those of Satan, the father of all lies.
At video sequence 2:40 he mentions that Religion causes the most human suffering. Religion doesn't cause it, humans do because of the evil and sin in our hearts. I believe that an important step is to learn to identify evil and stay away from it. I agree that awareness of the infinite and God is important on a daily basis.
With all due respect... Did Christ AVOID "evil" people? No, he shined the light of love upon everyone with no discrimination. What is evil other than the ignorance of not knowing who and where you truly already are? To shun someone for being ignorant regarding their inheritance as a child of God would be itself none other than an act of ignorance. -Peace and blessings.
The Bible says "flee from evil" not necessarily from evil people. Technically, we're all have evil inside us to some degree. Sin is simply disobedience to God. Evil is knowing that God exists and knowing his will and still choosing to sin against him. I'm sure if everyone really knew if God exists, not just think that he exists, then there'd be more opportunity to be considered "evil" and not just ignorant. -have a good one
I think the real question is "what do you consider to be an EVIL INTERPRETATION of God?" Do you believe in a God who you should kill for? Do you believe in a God who wants you to cause further stress in the lives of those who don't believe in His existence? Do you believe in a God whose every written command should be enforced literally and strictly with no exception? Or do you believe in a God whose words can be understood as metaphors for higher being? Can we interpret God's word in evil ways?
The question is only deeper or higher stage of consciousness can integrate relatively lower stage of consciousness. On contrary, lower consciouness hardly torelate diffrent perspective.especialy when low consciousness hold the systemtic power, they would not respect the freedom of varies perspectives.
Almost all human suffering and human tragedy were caused by the conflict of defferent develop stage of consciousness.
Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense particularly in the case of wars. It's also important to remember that different levels of consciousness go hand in hand and that each major level of consciousness so far on this planet has it's own form of narcissism. I think this narcissism is the main cause of the conflict.
We need more integral scientists, integral philosophers, integral pandits, and integral politicians and a way for these integral people as well in other occupations have a chance to contribute to development. (pandit is a scholar, a teacher, particularly one skilled in Sanskrit and Hindu law, religion, music or philosophy.)
Spirituality is which in some way had been conditioned by religion. I know that the practice of contemplation prayer, helps to reach a different "stage of mind" concerning to everything surrounding us...Living in a more councious,perceptive and sensitive spiritual life. And from there a continous learning facing life. Posibly that is why a lot of people that had a very strong spiritual experiences with God are against an "organized religion"...Just an opinion.
religion is dying, spirituality is the truth. i bet in 100 years, there will be more spiritual people than religious people. religious people will try to deny it, but there is nothing to do about it. its part of evolution. somethings just get too old and become the past.
That makes no sense. Religion comes directly from spirituality. Religion evolves. Spirituality, if you believe in it, would be the constant and objective source we are trying to discover. Religion is the approach, the tools, the teachings, ect. It will change. We are linguistic beings. Until we evolve past language within consciousness, or give up spiritual quests (which are fundamental to humanity) there will be multiple forms of religion.
This religion is being replaced or augmented by better re-ligion, a Latin word for reading, in this case, reading of the perceptions of the timeless and spaceless. The interpretation is key - a lot of destructive versions of this re ligion out there, unfortunately. We agree, it evolved, and evolves and will evolve, and it as a n entity is having trouble at being a uniformed entity and at the same time, a path of unification is at least theoretically possible: e.g. Integral Spirituality Center.
I assume you mean *monotheistic* religion. And of course you are quite correct. It HAS to die, because it's silly. Future generations will laugh at the primitive deity-based religions.
Yes! There are some great ideas here. Read Wilber's books. If you like the ideas presented here I guarantee you'll like the books. If you weren't ready for this stuff then its highly unlikely you'd have watched this in the first place.
Clearly you have missed the point entirely. Also, try watching the rest of the vids of this series, father gets quite involved, he's simply listening intently. As for the notebook, pen.etc. - wilber writes notes as he listens, as it is a forum of discussion.
Nice but not exactly practical.. no one honestly gives a rats ass to all the fancy words and this that and the other.. people are asking.. How do i cope with this, how do i over come that, how do find peace, how do i deal with relationships.. not how do i come up with dialogue which sounds like i know something but really it doesnt do anyone a lick of good.
myfacevids, The problem is with your assessment of "exactly practical." You can't cope with this, that, or find peace at your definition of practical. Its you who need to move beyond the trap of your so called "practicality" to find the answers you want!!
I can almost understand and therefore almost agree why I got a minus for this comment of mine. However, despite the change I had after a few months, the I-amness was there and will be and IS.
That part about awareness being fundamental is absolutely spot on. When everything is gone, when your entire human existence comes to an end, all that remains is i amness! It's the same thing every other tradition talks about, but the way Ken explains it here i find is very comprehensive. Just dont get caught in the intellectual trap of not experiencing what he's talking about from the first person.
The section on I-Amness is fulfilling. Throughout all of my years alive, and my experiences, the only thing i notice doesn't change is my Awareness-OF. i Appreciate Wilbur's work. I wonder though, in professional circles if he is the Joesph Campbell of consciousness. While JC was a great synthesizer for the commoner, many anthropologists disregard his work as oversimplified. Do psychologists and neurologists feel this way about Wilbur?
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This is just another new age guru teaching his twisted and distorted understanding of spirituality. Want real enlightenment?..repent and trust in Christ alone for your salvation. There is only one way. That is throught the finished work of Jesus Christ. He is the way, the life and the truth.
Well, Christ would probably ignore the comment in silence, right? But for the less graceful like you and I, well, we sometimes get pissed off, don't we?
Just stating biblical truth there bulldoggy! I find Wilbur and his croonies very entertaining! Sad though that they look for truth and enlightenment in all the wrong places.
I'm sure as you are dead sure of your "truth" because of your "faith" but if you want to really get down to it I'll put your dick in the dirt with the facts of your so called "biblical truth" ;-) but I probably won't waste my time on you. What I will do always is speak out against small minded people like you who are critical of people like Wilber who have really put in the time to THINK and not check thier brains at the door of the church. Just like Jesus did.
How can you say that? Wilber is quite accepting of all people, beliefs and faiths, and yet you can't even grant him the same respect? And you say he is looking for enlightenment in all the wrong places?
Father Thomas Keating has spent his life steeped in Christian tradition. He is one of the most well respected "Christians" around. If he is sitting on the stage with Ken Wilber doesn't that tell you anything?
....and Christ very often did not ignore the comments in silence. I'll sacrifice being graceful to state my case about the ignorant Evangelicals spouting off time after time. I'm sick of it....now I'm done ;-)
Hawkestonian is still level 3 - mythical, but also level 2 - magical stage of consciousness. I bet the catholic priest of the cistertian order is level 5 I guess, if not higher - which is to say, transrational or integral. I also am rather transrational and integral. I made it look like a computer game, well it is more illusory especially if only the surface is seen.
I like Ken.....
in the spritual view ... solely the lack of integrating Rudof Steiner's philosophie is the lack that I miss...from Ken's philosophie....
I mean rather Rudolf's views on occult things....and how to approch spirituality recently....which means the 21s century
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yeah, I've never really understood why steiners stuff is completely overlooked by this community. He came up with spiral dynamics over 100 years ago.
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as i watch and understand more i feel very grateful for being able to understand alot more than i had when i was younger im glad i woke up from unconscious, i could see myself a year ago making fun of ken wilber and how hes bald and stuff and not understanding why i would do that but now i fully understand where all those judgments were coming from and why
problyout 3 weeks ago
Fr. Keating does not get a word??? Blah, blah, blah... So many words, with so little connection or profundity. I love how "Integral" is the highest level of spiritual understanding... so fucking humble Ken... Why not just come out and say you're a Buddha and get on with forming your cult of brainwashed zombies? If you can't win them with wisdom, baffle them with bullshit. A+ bullshit. Did he actually re-spell Kosmos to utilize the first letter in Ken? LOL that anyone buys this pedantic idiot.
Gnosis2078 1 month ago
@Gnosis2078 I do. He makes a lot of sence.
smallpotatoes989 1 month ago
@smallpotatoes989 well of course you do, you can't even spell sense... lol... unless the mispelling was intentional irony to make the same point, in which case, well done m'lord. Look, there are many paths, but Wilber... ?
Gnosis2078 1 month ago
@Gnosis2078 well I do now know what his path is, never read his books could not find them in slovenia, but I like his thougts. but he is antisocial personality that has problem communicationg, and he knows it. he does not talk with people but to people.
smallpotatoes989 4 weeks ago
@Gnosis2078 dude i love kens ideas and the idea of integrating perspectives and i am not a zombie lol im more outgoing and loving than i have ever been, in fact i have transcended ken as a role model and moved on as being a ken wilber myself so you my friend need some work on your unconscious
Iex97 3 weeks ago
@Iex97 "Ken's idea of integrating perspectives..." Are you really that naive? Considering multiple points of view is simply called intelligent thinking and there are MANY people who have been doing it long before Wilber came along and pretended to invent it by calling it integral. His books are verbose, repetitious and slathered in needless jargon designed to make it seem like he invented common sense. That said, I could be wrong. What are the 3 most profound things you've learned from him?
Gnosis2078 3 weeks ago
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Are you seeking truth? Search for "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then click on "The Present" to open it. What it says will blow your mind.
jchijan 2 months ago
Dialogue? :D
Keating is a very good listener, isn't he?
EndureTemptation 2 months ago
@EndureTemptation well gurus are not able to be social they can talk to people.
smallpotatoes989 1 month ago
@EndureTemptation anybody "talking" with Wilber HAS to be a good listener... wilber loves the sound of his own voice... if he wants your opinion he'll give it to you!
Gnosis2078 1 month ago
@presentlightoftruth --I couldn't agree more. And in his self created world w/all his self created 'uber' vocab and concepts who can argue w/him? Strikes me as a 'wanna-be' cultic guru or king of his own better-than-thou world, and since he's the one making it all up, and b/c of his high IQ, no one feels they can take him on. I sense he's highly personally immature-imoo, Strikes me as all 'head and no 'heart'. He speaks as if what he says is truly "real" and has a real foundation in reality.
tabacblonde 4 months ago
Religious believers who are "certain" about other states of awareness, religious or spiritual truths, and the sort without the foundation of a personal experience are a fraud within themselves. To accept a belief and attempt to transfer that defintion into knowingness or "the truth" is futile, dishonest, "a lie to themselves" and a form of insanity. Yet we have billions that do this on our planet and even kill those who do not believe in the certainty of their "experience lacking" truths.
shayehudson 4 months ago
Faith is the opposite of belief. To have faith means to let go and become open to the truth, whatever that may be. A person who is fanatic in terms of religion who clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe becomes a person who has no faith at all. In Ken Wilbers work he describes this widenting of perspective or woldviews.
shayehudson 4 months ago
I think Ken Wilber has done a mangnificent job with helping define the major worldviews. I notice that the people who judge his work are those who belive in the mythical(Christian Fundamentalisim). There is a difference between beliving in myths and other religious narratives and knowing via 1st person subjective experience. Wilber differentiates between the two(Mythical Religious World view and the integral (Emergent Spiritual) in his work. Check out the video "Evolution of Consciousness'.
shayehudson 4 months ago
@shayehudson What a pile of crap Shay... "I notice that the people who judge his work are those who belive in the mythical(Christian Fundamentalisim)." You are a complete idiot for stating this as an absolute without a shred of evidence to support it. Was it Ken's idea for you to post this silly retort to the near unanimous rejection here of Ken for Saviour? Did Ken say write that you're either a bible thumper or you follow Wilber like a good zombie? You're hilarious, lost and totally Konfused.
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Heartfullofsoul100 5 months ago
@presentlightoftruth lol. Okay. I don't hate the Holy Spirit of Christ. I have a different interpretation of what it is. But by all means, feel free to judge. It doesn't bother me any. Namaste.
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sorryibrokethetrees 7 months ago
Sadly I don't understand it all because my mother-tongue isn't Eng
but I can say that this is exactly the reason why I am atheist (at least for the moment) with my 24yrs. seeking for spirituality/enlightment in my life but not with our "wester" religions and on the other hand I do not feel familiar with the eastern culture and their religion.
it feels really empty and I got myself already at a level where I consume very less. something is missing. I think I need to learn how to meditate
Nhordmyr 8 months ago
Although I agree with the basic idea presented here, I can't help but feel that there is a bit of intellectual fascism posturing as spiritual superiority here. Intellectual ego can be one of the greatest obstacles in spiritual practice. Spirituality is very personal and trying to quantify it may be appealing to the ego as some sort of act of ultimate triumph, but the last thing we want to do is exalt the ego. Spirituality consumes ego. If we aren't burning we aren't on fire.
goodtwitch 8 months ago 2
@goodtwitch: well said and welcome to the world of Ken Wilber-you nailed it in your first sentence imo. No one can argue w/the dude b/c he invented his own take on all the world religions, philosophies, created his own worldview, his vocab, his concepts, language, definitions, so that any challenge to him will result in he or his followers just throwing back at you his own theories, etc.....he can't be challenged b/c there is no equal ground. Even here w/Keating, it's his words, theories posing
tabacblonde 4 months ago
@goodtwitch -continued.: posing as dialoguing abt Christianity. He damn smart and this too in combo w/his own created world/domain makes him virtually unchallengeable. I read him in the 90's and realized his work has nothing to do with living in the real world and being able to apply him to any daily life. But he sells his DVD courses on telling one how to do it. Behind that IQ/arrogance is still a capitalist, a human w/psychological issues, and fear and ignorance just like the rest of us.
tabacblonde 4 months ago
@tabacblonde Thanks; I find that people with real spiritual lives just do it in private. It's pretty much impossible to buy the truth from people. And to be honest, if you have a real spiritual life you can't really sell it either. It's disappointing when we shop for guidance and get stuff that leads us in circles, but all paths lead back to our inner experience I think and it's not available on dvd.
goodtwitch 4 months ago
@goodtwitch Hi again. Yes I fully agree-ppl just do it=no fanfare. There is no one that is a better authority on one that oneself=there can't be. One person's truth is not necessarily anothers' anyway. I am so w/you on how truth can never be sold, and who would w/hold some wonderful spirit insight from another anyway? It would cease to be truly spiritual and be reduced to the material realm. The entire nature of the spiritual is to give freely, to flow, to be compassionate and empty of (cont)
tabacblonde 4 months ago
@goodtwitch - of or free from personal gain, egoic agendas, etc.....So funny how so many New Age, et al types have turned themselves into self proclaimed, self identified authorities on subjects that aren't quantifiable, objective, and highly personal to the one having their own spiritual experience. And how they've managed to turn it all into a capitalistic, mundane business model that replicates itself from any other greed driven impersonal corporation cleverly disguised by a good PR firm
tabacblonde 4 months ago
I never heard of this guy before, but I really like what he's saying. He's wording it all very well.
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@tonyjohnbradley
Gay behavior is a psycho-sexual pathology. Men & women have functions & roles. This is the way God intended it to be and is natural. When we diverge from how we were created there are problems. Sex outside of marriage is sin. You can be gay but don't practice the behavior. Sublimate your sexuality & use abstinence as your personal "cross" & sacrifice for the love of God. The Eastern Rite allows marriage. It's a wonderful faith with centuries of human understanding & wisdom.
JoeJacari 1 year ago
Dogma can be interpreted as religious opinion or closest approximation, not necessarily fixed and immovable doctrine.
It's easier to sit and talk about peace and love peace but it's harder to make peace. Not everyone that is against war is a peacemaker. Sometimes war is a necessary evil.
I respect that Wilber respects St. Teresa, differences of opinion on certain aspects of his "dogma" notwithstanding.
JoeJacari 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket
That's because morals and ethics, to your liberal mind, equate to intolerance and bigotry.
Cite some examples and then maybe we'll talk about it.
To say there aren't bigots in any religion or spiritual belief system is ludicrous.
Welcome to the human race...
JoeJacari 1 year ago
@sllandry
I agree. And I've done my part to raise awareness of the issue.
A big problem is active homosexuals in the priesthood. This is evidenced by the fact that most of the molestations of children were of boys by pathological gay men.
Studies bear this out, since rape tends to be a crime of abuse of power. In other words, If these were merely cases of rape, you'd see more female victims, which you don't.
The victims of pedophilia are young males. Gay priests are the predators.
JoeJacari 1 year ago
@JoeJacari The problem isn't homosexuals. It is that homosexuals are oppressed and can't handle the pain and torment within themselves. They probably become priests because their religion won't allow them to follow their hearts. So, they try to be celibate as priests. Women and men should not be separated the way Catholicism separates them. Homosexuality and Heterosexuality should not be separated the way Catholicism separates them. These separations are the cause of the molestations.
tonyjohnbradley 1 year ago
the cardinal does not radiate freedom....
TLittleFrenchBoyShow 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket
Tell that to the great saints...I'm sure they'd have a great laugh.
Much like I'm doing.
The worst deluded are the self-deluded.
Mock Christ's words at your own peril.
JoeJacari 1 year ago
Religion is by no means a path out of human suffering ... It is only a path of self-delusion ... The only path from deluded beliefs in fairy tales & magic sky daddys is logic & reason ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
Christ said to Peter, "Though art Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church. And the gates of hell shall not ultimately prevail over it."
The Catholic Church has what the others don't: Apostolic succession. You can trace the Popes and leaders all the way back to Christ, himself.
The most human suffering has been caused by athiests, nazis, communists, etc. Show me a Marxist leper colony. I'll show you a Christian one.
Quit perpetrating negative Catholic stereotypes and bigotry.
JoeJacari 1 year ago
@JoeJacari - "Quit perpetrating negative Catholic stereotypes and bigotry " ... Catholicism does that all by itself ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@JoeJacari lets stop the pedophiles hiding in the catholic church
sllandry 1 year ago
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JoeJacari 1 year ago
it's expensive to collect his books, though I got the "brief history of everything"...sort of a primer or "companion manual" for his theory that's explained in detail in his other books...nonetheless, his worldview blows me away...it gives an unparalleled orientation to reality....nothing and no one comes close...I hope to meet him within my lifetime...
vinceism1 1 year ago
"Those who speak do not know, those who know do not speak." That is quite evident in this video.
tomgrasso 1 year ago
@tomgrasso hm so you prefer personal attacks before a fair and open minded discussion? :) I can hardly believe that......
galahad237 1 year ago
Dr. David Hawkins.
CalmRiver3 1 year ago
Your own guidance, coming from Ken's words, can take you from seeking a state to embodying a "stage" of higher development. In other words, Ken's words are your own swords slashing through your identifications, confusion, delusions, etc.
RealitySword 1 year ago
That quote by Rahner in the info text is an urban legend develeoped from sloppy quoting.
Rahner actually said „Der Fromme von morgen wird ein Mystiker sein, einer, der etwas erfahren hat, oder er wird nicht mehr sein, weil ..." "the DEVOUT of tomorrow will be a mystic, one who has experienced something, or he will be no more, because..."
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
Very VERY interesting
Avonaco76 1 year ago
I think more people should listen to Ken.
Thanks For the Video.
gregvandenberge 1 year ago
cool
Deadlyrazorwings 1 year ago
i like y'all too lol
doctorjay1976 1 year ago
Thank you for providing this, IntegralNaked.
ObaNarayanShivaji999 1 year ago
Religion today is often used only as a excuse for other hitten ideas and agendas, like securing raw material for keeping our western culture running.
We need true integral leaders which don't devide people but unite them. More problems are created today with the focus on total global control and power by a handfull men, who like to create uniformity, scarcity and fear instead of a free flow of creativity and abundance among citizens.
MrAllAndNothing 1 year ago
Yes. To me, quite a few conspiracy theories about aliens, good and bad aliens, vested interests and corruption are all too true. This all should be looked through an integral framework somehow. The integral movement currently may be moving that direction in some bloggers, at least one or two. I genuinely believe that there are extraterrestrials right herre on Earth and orbiting Earth. But I don't claim to have any solid orange evidence. I might have indigo or green evidence, though.
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AnkhAndAton 2 years ago
Religious war is a strawman, resource war that uses religion as an excuse or a motivational factor makes more sense
nickdutchvideos 2 years ago
Any chance that people on Youtube comments can have a discussion about topics without calling each other names.
Everyone has their own opinion and they are allowed to have it without people calling them idiots.
Now watch as someone calls me an idiot.
TheTommiekelly 2 years ago 2
this guy's getting lost in all his blah blah. lol
bille77 2 years ago
Awesomeness.
narayanr 2 years ago
I am frustrated. I am waiting for this person, this I amness, to let the other man in the monk's uniform who has been sitting patiently (spiritually), to say something.
Isn't it said that if you thing you know something then you know nothing? I think this is true. Has he had a religious experience? Or is he only good at spinning words?
cynic150 2 years ago
Hello. Your cynicism is getting in your way. This video is a part of a series. As for what he is talking about, listen again, if it doesn't inconvenience your cynic sensibilities. :)
He has done meditation for over 30 years and can go into a 'religous experience' state in 4 seconds as proven by some EEG readings.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I stand by what I have said.
"Empty vessels make the most noise" is a very true saying.
When I have had a religous experience I will believe in them.
Just talking is just that - talk.
Can you prove his claims? Until then I say hogwash.
cynic150 2 years ago
Either the preceding or the following video in the series is available in the side bar.
Happy new cynical year for you.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
@cynic150
Cynic you're an ignoramus.
Ken WIlber is the most profound mind of our generation. Read his books, and listen to his talks and you may learn something.
His insights only come through experiential practice...something which I doubt any Catholic can boast.
Forget trying to 'prove claims' and go meditate and see for yourself.
MrGunwitch 2 years ago
@MrGunwitch You are right in that I was a bit too dimissive before. thanks to the other person for asking me to listen to this clip again. I understood it much better than the first time. I think that looking at the video did not help. This time, I looked away from the screen and just listened. Of course, much of it makes sense and I need to know more about his theories and the research behind it. However, I am still wary of scholars+ talk Surely sprituality must be practised, not only discussed
cynic150 2 years ago
@cynic150
I respect someone who's opinion is open to change. Who knows, maybe one day you'll have to change your handle :)
MrGunwitch 2 years ago
I enjoyed this vid a lot. I think Joseph Campbell would acknowledge the gist of this video.
drogoscg1 2 years ago
Blah blah blah.
The problem is not religion, but the commune of faker-thieves. War would end everywhere if public figures like Wilber. and fans like Gore and Clinton, told the truth about US tax-funded war-mongering that goes on in the name of "religion." CIA creations like Taliban and Al Qaeda... Too much money in the false flag war biz to quit the gig, huh? What a sick fraud. Et tu, Father Keating?
mcdebitto 2 years ago
You are a simpleton. I suppose we cannot blame you only a few of us are strong enough to break early childhood programming.
needparalegal 2 years ago
I'm surprised Mr. Wilber never talks about psychedelic plants and shamanism as a path to spirituality. I know of no easier method of becoming more spiritual than with the use of ayahuasca.
NatureLovesCourage 2 years ago
It's the fast track method but it brings you back to the material world when it's over. Deep meditation has the same effect as Ayahuasca and once mastered can offer a more rewarding result. I am planning a trip to S.america to live it up in the Amazon. :) Have fun.
ANDROID697 2 years ago
Does ayahuasca clear the witness... is there a space without objects possible with ayahuasca? Wilber has spoken about herbal spirituality. He has very little experience, admittedly, in herbal/entheogenic experiences. There have been twor or three dialogues, hence, because of that, regarding entheogens.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Its because when you drink Aya or when you smoke DMT you enter the spiritual realm where the spirits actually dwell, no one is ever going to take that at face value and will always dismiss it as just being an illusion of the mind, that is conservative christians or any other religion for that matter. Don't get me wrong, when you enter those dimensions you will encounter evil, at its strongest cause you are in there "house" so to speak, but you can also encounter spirits or "Angels" of god.
Meevinman 2 years ago 2
I have been doing psychic readings for many years. Religious programming goes deeper than just our religious upbringing. I have seen "spirits" that believe themselves to be angels or demons, but my intuition tells me they are deluded. Not sure if there are "real" demons or angels, anything is possible.
needparalegal 2 years ago
I have dabbled with some shamanism, but have not used drugs. Where do I get this ayahusca? Any evidence of permanent brain damage? I have read that LSD doubles psychic ability but have not wanted to risk taking it. The other thing I would say is that you can learn to go into a trance without drugs, it just takes a little meditation. Is this drug only useful for entering a trance state, or what affect does it have?
needparalegal 2 years ago
There are things that your brain just doesn't DO without the serotonin system stimulation that lysergic acid and psilocin provide.
Ask anyone that's ever tried psychedelics and they'll all agree, afterward it feels like your brain has been on overdrive. It "switches on" certain parts of the brain that generally only function in the background.
There is no good evidence that traditional (serotonergic) psychedelics cause damage unless they are taken (like any other drug) in excessive quantity.
LabRat4680 2 years ago
It would be a beautiful vision to see more integral religion in existence. On the practical level we need to choose one path and surrender to it.
Peace and contentment to all beings.
CloudshadowMan1 2 years ago
I've commited to one path... made up of MANY paths muaaaaaaahahahahah!!! Srsly
MaBu888 2 years ago
The monk is really contributing a lot.
duncality 2 years ago 21
He is.... this is just an excerpt...
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I've learned a lot from Thomas Keating the monk you are refering to ... He's deep contemplative. I think one who keep Ken centered & in place... with no disrespect to Ken who like to yap a lot.
louiswheeler 2 years ago
@duncality He's a Trappist. Look it up.
pianoman570 1 year ago
@duncality
I think this must just be a clip from a larger lecture. Fr. Thomas Keating is actually a very good speaker.
staropaamari 1 year ago
@duncality
Father Keating is being quiet because Trappist monks are really into not speaking unless it's necessary, which probably seems strange to most Americans who are used to non stop talking even when very little is actually being said. Keating probably feels like Ken is doing a good job of explaining his point and might feel that anything said in addition would be superfluous.
tony225 1 year ago
@tony225 The nail's head has been flattened. :D
Monolith1618 1 year ago
@duncality As mystics says, the silence is the wisest approach
cisarsilva 1 year ago
Can studying destroy the contemplative life or should it be encouraged?
elsabiosecalla 2 years ago
The way I see it, studying is needed, so that the mind stayedd sharp and functional. Music is good too.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I appreciated becoming aware that my experience of being alive is the only constant I know. It helps me be aware that I have assigned responses to events so that I'm not appreciating things as they are but linking them to past experience. That past experience is feeling and memory, perhaps more. My mind and heart are full of the experiences that I share with great people, but I feel that I have been lazy. I want to overcome myself.
sirdouglas46 2 years ago 3
Ken is right on
jaymz300 2 years ago
Yes I am open to states of consciousness that I've not yet experienced and it's knowing how to deal with the energy that arises as you begin to experience new states and also maintain equilibrium in thinking and feeling and not become dysfunctional which is at times quite easy to do. why do you ask?
cacaolover 3 years ago
Same here LULZ.
MaBu888 3 years ago
Saying that things do not cause suffering is Bullshit. If you watch your favourite comedy does the comedy make you laugh or not? If you are bombarded with negativity then this may just in fact cause you to suffer a little or maybe even a lot. To say that we can't control or responses is also not true but the response is always coming from something that seems to be or is outside yourself. So to say things don't make you feel any way is uttter nonsense!
cacaolover 3 years ago
If things do not arise, then these cannot cause suffering. Yet if objects come and go... you know what ever you say. Are you open to states and stages of consciousnes that you have not yet experienced or do not remember? Just asking.
MaBu888 3 years ago
speaker is definately well thought person and such work is needed.... thank you
milindnjoshi 3 years ago
come on Ken, you know as well as anyone who has studied Adi Da that suffering is ou own doing. Let's not blame religion.
Religion is basically just a man-made way of giving one an excuse of never realizing God. It's a deistraction, a simple excuse of remaing immature, childish and adolescent. Religion is also a way to be endorsed, to reamin as one is, to console and to prevent real growth. And as it is man-made it will remain as it is until more and more egodeaths occur.May God be realised
happygolucky2000 3 years ago
Ken, let us not blame religion for ouor suffering. You know as well as anyone who has read Adi Da that suffering is our own acitivity. Religion is simply a by-product of egoic wants and desires, a man-made way of excuse and diversion for ones feelings of inadequacy and failure of realizing God, and thus heaven on earth.
happygolucky2000 3 years ago
may I ask
Why does Ken sniff so much? Does he have an on-going nasal problem.
Anyway I love to listen to him. But why did he never become a devotee of whom he has considered to be the Greatest Realizer that ever lived. Adi Da?
happygolucky2000 3 years ago
when people begin worshipping themselves as God. know that the end ti is not far off. Jesus is the only way into heaven no one else
okellookello 3 years ago
One does not worship oneself, in the case of integral spirituality... and instead infinite gratitude and infinite pride and infinite humility arise. Still, form is emptiness and emptiness is form, and such a nondual realization is beyond ego and ego death and beyond the separate-seeming emptiness and form, and frankly beyond any religion or science or culture,although integral consciousness 'would have us' to integrate body, mind, spirit in self, cutlure and nature. Worship can be taken too far.
MaBu888 3 years ago
is there any other way to heaven except Jesus Christ the Nazareen? we can't be concious all we want, but if the Spirit of God in us how shall we be like Jesus who lived his whole with ever sinning?
okellookello 3 years ago
Heaven and hell are possible during the life of the physical body. Heaven and hell are transcended and included by vast nondual One Taste. Christianity is just one way out of many, despite what the bible would claim. In mythic terms religious experiences are interpreted as infallible and if someone doesn't believe in itt, then there may be demonizing of the unbelievers, and in the modern stage, such experiences are explained away as brain activity,but integral philosophy is however constructive.
MaBu888 3 years ago
heaven and hell in your present body? wow, these are only possible in the next life. all these philosophies do is glorify humansim? what are humans but just the dust of the earth. will you not die even if yourself concious? if you die after being self concioust ...then this philosophy is useless to me. but if it's useful to you then keep following it
okellookello 3 years ago
... and heaven and hell, as you can tell, are possible just as much as it is individually, also collectively. It would be good to transcend the suffering that is both pleasure and pain.
MaBu888 3 years ago
But isn't that like saying that when people start knowing God because of what a book or Preacher told them is a sign of the end? If a person has a soul who's power source is God; then, isn't knowing one's breath a better indication of the divine than a mutated folk tale? Wouldn't it be weird if you could monitor many people's breath direction and duration and see if there was a noticeable connection? What are those Cicada saying?
sirdouglas46 2 years ago 10
@sirdouglas46
I think a folk tale can tell you quite a bit about the human subconscious mind and it can serve as a metaphorical way to see your own situation and give you insight into what you should do. (through archetypes of the collective unconscious and hero examples, trials and tribulations) Your breath can't do that. Look up "Joseph Campbell - the power of myth- part 2 - message of the myth" - good stuff
ThePhilosopherKings 1 year ago
@sirdouglas46 the Cicada song is very hypnotic
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We have found Satanism is the original religion of humanity. We have done our research. Satanism is based upon the ancient religions that predated Judaism and Christianity from hundreds to thousands of years.
Doctormonsta 3 years ago
this is cool, i like this.
observant09 3 years ago
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This is amazing. I would have never thought that there would be people brained washed like this by this guy. Given the times we are in, I am not so surprised. This man's teachings are so much like those of Satan, the father of all lies.
mauka96813 3 years ago
George Bush and the bible are partial and dishonest.
MaBu888 3 years ago
On one you might be right but on the other you are wrong.
mauka96813 3 years ago
You are so certain. :)
MaBu888 3 years ago
Typical prerational response, mauka96813.
MaBu888 3 years ago
Prerational..? Man, do you make sense?
mauka96813 3 years ago
Yes I do.
MaBu888 3 years ago
At video sequence 2:40 he mentions that Religion causes the most human suffering. Religion doesn't cause it, humans do because of the evil and sin in our hearts. I believe that an important step is to learn to identify evil and stay away from it. I agree that awareness of the infinite and God is important on a daily basis.
H0D0NKAIN 3 years ago
With all due respect... Did Christ AVOID "evil" people? No, he shined the light of love upon everyone with no discrimination. What is evil other than the ignorance of not knowing who and where you truly already are? To shun someone for being ignorant regarding their inheritance as a child of God would be itself none other than an act of ignorance. -Peace and blessings.
2andrewd 3 years ago
What I am talking about there is simply evil.
The Bible says "flee from evil" not necessarily from evil people. Technically, we're all have evil inside us to some degree. Sin is simply disobedience to God. Evil is knowing that God exists and knowing his will and still choosing to sin against him. I'm sure if everyone really knew if God exists, not just think that he exists, then there'd be more opportunity to be considered "evil" and not just ignorant. -have a good one
H0D0NKAIN 3 years ago
I think the real question is "what do you consider to be an EVIL INTERPRETATION of God?" Do you believe in a God who you should kill for? Do you believe in a God who wants you to cause further stress in the lives of those who don't believe in His existence? Do you believe in a God whose every written command should be enforced literally and strictly with no exception? Or do you believe in a God whose words can be understood as metaphors for higher being? Can we interpret God's word in evil ways?
seanotube85 3 years ago
Good questions.
H0D0NKAIN 3 years ago
The question is only deeper or higher stage of consciousness can integrate relatively lower stage of consciousness. On contrary, lower consciouness hardly torelate diffrent perspective.especialy when low consciousness hold the systemtic power, they would not respect the freedom of varies perspectives.
Almost all human suffering and human tragedy were caused by the conflict of defferent develop stage of consciousness.
ivan999999ru 3 years ago 2
I'd have to agree.
MaBu888 3 years ago
Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense particularly in the case of wars. It's also important to remember that different levels of consciousness go hand in hand and that each major level of consciousness so far on this planet has it's own form of narcissism. I think this narcissism is the main cause of the conflict.
seanotube85 3 years ago 2
"Truth is One, Sages called it by various names"
"Many paths, One Reality"
Ken Wilber is a great philosopher like Socrates
FR33L0RD 3 years ago 2
We need more integral scientists, integral philosophers, integral pandits, and integral politicians and a way for these integral people as well in other occupations have a chance to contribute to development. (pandit is a scholar, a teacher, particularly one skilled in Sanskrit and Hindu law, religion, music or philosophy.)
MaBu888 3 years ago 2
I would agree
cruelfate45 3 years ago 2
Acknowledged.
MaBu888 3 years ago 2
I love his stages of development and states of consciousness.
DrJeanine 3 years ago 2
Spirituality is which in some way had been conditioned by religion. I know that the practice of contemplation prayer, helps to reach a different "stage of mind" concerning to everything surrounding us...Living in a more councious,perceptive and sensitive spiritual life. And from there a continous learning facing life. Posibly that is why a lot of people that had a very strong spiritual experiences with God are against an "organized religion"...Just an opinion.
crystalship42 3 years ago
religion is dying, spirituality is the truth. i bet in 100 years, there will be more spiritual people than religious people. religious people will try to deny it, but there is nothing to do about it. its part of evolution. somethings just get too old and become the past.
LightKeeperz 3 years ago
That makes no sense. Religion comes directly from spirituality. Religion evolves. Spirituality, if you believe in it, would be the constant and objective source we are trying to discover. Religion is the approach, the tools, the teachings, ect. It will change. We are linguistic beings. Until we evolve past language within consciousness, or give up spiritual quests (which are fundamental to humanity) there will be multiple forms of religion.
cruelfate45 3 years ago
This religion is being replaced or augmented by better re-ligion, a Latin word for reading, in this case, reading of the perceptions of the timeless and spaceless. The interpretation is key - a lot of destructive versions of this re ligion out there, unfortunately. We agree, it evolved, and evolves and will evolve, and it as a n entity is having trouble at being a uniformed entity and at the same time, a path of unification is at least theoretically possible: e.g. Integral Spirituality Center.
MaBu888 3 years ago
I assume you mean *monotheistic* religion. And of course you are quite correct. It HAS to die, because it's silly. Future generations will laugh at the primitive deity-based religions.
optik
OptikNerv1138 3 years ago
I like that about "stages of counsciousness"...Interesting.
crystalship42 3 years ago
Yes! There are some great ideas here. Read Wilber's books. If you like the ideas presented here I guarantee you'll like the books. If you weren't ready for this stuff then its highly unlikely you'd have watched this in the first place.
optik
OptikNerv1138 3 years ago
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Sniffer Wilber is talking about religion while a piece of furniture disguised as a priest sits by and prays to stay awake.
If there was a parrot perched nearby, then Sniffer would be telling us what it's like to try and open a peanut with one foot and a beak.
Or maybe Sniffer would make like a parrot and put his foot in his mouth without using Yoga.
He's good at putting his foot in his mouth.
Look at the pen in his hand.
Will he ever sign off?
And the notepad? Does his mouth need notes?
psstheyyou 3 years ago
Clearly you have missed the point entirely. Also, try watching the rest of the vids of this series, father gets quite involved, he's simply listening intently. As for the notebook, pen.etc. - wilber writes notes as he listens, as it is a forum of discussion.
rocktheflow 3 years ago 2
NASA's Blue Beam Project could resolve all issues.
Brasik1 3 years ago
No.
MaBu888 3 years ago
Loving this message...
debswildhoney 3 years ago
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Nice but not exactly practical.. no one honestly gives a rats ass to all the fancy words and this that and the other.. people are asking.. How do i cope with this, how do i over come that, how do find peace, how do i deal with relationships.. not how do i come up with dialogue which sounds like i know something but really it doesnt do anyone a lick of good.
myfacevids 3 years ago
wow man this is a perfect example of an open mind. haha jk this guy gets offended by big words hahaha we really do laugh at creationists
ragnar336 3 years ago
myfacevids, The problem is with your assessment of "exactly practical." You can't cope with this, that, or find peace at your definition of practical. Its you who need to move beyond the trap of your so called "practicality" to find the answers you want!!
scoobydoo84 3 years ago 2
Creationism is not part of anyone in the video, in the comments, except you'n'I LOL.
MaBu888 3 years ago
Holy religion, Batman!!!
MaBu888 3 years ago
I can almost understand and therefore almost agree why I got a minus for this comment of mine. However, despite the change I had after a few months, the I-amness was there and will be and IS.
MaBu888 3 years ago
More, Batman. Damn again 2 minuses! I'm integral, though! Why can't ya aprreciate mah jokes?! I-amness (not kidding)
MaBu888 3 years ago
Boy if we could get Kim Jong Il to understand this!
incubusoptimist 3 years ago
He believes what he thinks. It seems he's after a great big "something." Maybe I'm not smart enough to know what it is.
pinedawg 3 years ago
Tomorrow, Yesterday, Today---How about NOW!!!
sunvoltage 3 years ago
Patience, my young padawan, patience. :) lol
MaBu888 3 years ago
Try harder, my young padawan.
MaBu888 3 years ago 2
I do not like it, and I do not understand...may be someone would help me...
rmitalia 3 years ago
I do not like it, and I do not understand...may be someone would help me...
rmitalia 3 years ago
That part about awareness being fundamental is absolutely spot on. When everything is gone, when your entire human existence comes to an end, all that remains is i amness! It's the same thing every other tradition talks about, but the way Ken explains it here i find is very comprehensive. Just dont get caught in the intellectual trap of not experiencing what he's talking about from the first person.
mermadeinheaven 3 years ago
The section on I-Amness is fulfilling. Throughout all of my years alive, and my experiences, the only thing i notice doesn't change is my Awareness-OF. i Appreciate Wilbur's work. I wonder though, in professional circles if he is the Joesph Campbell of consciousness. While JC was a great synthesizer for the commoner, many anthropologists disregard his work as oversimplified. Do psychologists and neurologists feel this way about Wilbur?
atheist25 3 years ago
Absolute brilliance - thank you.
bikejen 3 years ago
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This is just another new age guru teaching his twisted and distorted understanding of spirituality. Want real enlightenment?..repent and trust in Christ alone for your salvation. There is only one way. That is throught the finished work of Jesus Christ. He is the way, the life and the truth.
Hawkestonian 3 years ago
you're an idiot for that statement and Christ would say so too I believe.
bulldog7861 3 years ago
and that comment was for Hawkestonian
bulldog7861 3 years ago
Well, Christ would probably ignore the comment in silence, right? But for the less graceful like you and I, well, we sometimes get pissed off, don't we?
ddj333 3 years ago
Just stating biblical truth there bulldoggy! I find Wilbur and his croonies very entertaining! Sad though that they look for truth and enlightenment in all the wrong places.
Hawkestonian 3 years ago
I'm sure as you are dead sure of your "truth" because of your "faith" but if you want to really get down to it I'll put your dick in the dirt with the facts of your so called "biblical truth" ;-) but I probably won't waste my time on you. What I will do always is speak out against small minded people like you who are critical of people like Wilber who have really put in the time to THINK and not check thier brains at the door of the church. Just like Jesus did.
bulldog7861 3 years ago
Tell us how you really feel!
Hawkestonian 3 years ago
How can you say that? Wilber is quite accepting of all people, beliefs and faiths, and yet you can't even grant him the same respect? And you say he is looking for enlightenment in all the wrong places?
rocktheflow 3 years ago
Father Thomas Keating has spent his life steeped in Christian tradition. He is one of the most well respected "Christians" around. If he is sitting on the stage with Ken Wilber doesn't that tell you anything?
ddj333 3 years ago
....and Christ very often did not ignore the comments in silence. I'll sacrifice being graceful to state my case about the ignorant Evangelicals spouting off time after time. I'm sick of it....now I'm done ;-)
bulldog7861 3 years ago
You are correct. My comment was not to contradict. I definitely hear you on sacrificing a little grace in order to get at deeper truth!
ddj333 3 years ago
Hawkestonian is still level 3 - mythical, but also level 2 - magical stage of consciousness. I bet the catholic priest of the cistertian order is level 5 I guess, if not higher - which is to say, transrational or integral. I also am rather transrational and integral. I made it look like a computer game, well it is more illusory especially if only the surface is seen.
MaBu888 3 years ago