FAT ACCEPTANCE?

[AntiPCTruthseeker]

My view is this: You want to be fat, do it on your OWN dime. Just don't get health insurance...otherwise other people's premiums will go up. Don't complain if you get charged for two seats--if you're using it, you're going to pay for it. And don't complain if you can't find someone.

[jjobie]

@AntiPCTruthseeker Hmmm. How many people do you know who actually WANT to be fat? I'm not sure I understood what you meant by that.

[imtorontobatman]

My bigger beef is, who is this for? Yourself? other women? men? modelling agencies? If you want my honest opinion, I could give a RAT'S ASS, about other people's looks. Do you really want models to change? Does it matter? Should we all just give in, and say hey lets all be fat... Stop fighting for others acceptance and accept yourself. Fat women have called me to skinny before to feel better about themselves. GOOD FOR THEM.

[divataunia]

@imtorontobatman I don't think you're being honest if you say you don't care about others looks. We all do, it's built into our society and the way we judge other people and you'd have to be a pretty unique individual to not have your opinions swayed by that at some point or another - dating, work, society or otherwise. For me, it's not about myself specifically, but about the way we interact with each other in society as a whole.

[imtorontobatman]

I really detest this. REALLY. I hate it that women shove down our throats that fat is beautiful and thats that. Alright, why not BROKE and beautiful men? Why not NO LICENSE OR CAR men? I understand the women's lib that was before to get decent jobs and respect... but I'm tired of this whine and whine about acceptance for all this and that when it comes down to they're own stubborness and laziness.. Yes, remaining fat is LAZY.

[divataunia]

@imtorontobatman I posted this two years ago, and it's funny what two years difference can make. I think your point doesn't have a lot of validity. Obesity is now classified as a disease, with various factors contributing to it: environment, genetics, and yes, gluttony and lazines at times. BUT, I think it's unfair to classify obese people as lazy. I was anything but - dancing every weekend, working 2-3 jobs at a time. For me, it's not about accepting "laziness," (cont)

[imtorontobatman]

@divataunia well I dont see this ACCCEPTANCE for all. I truthfully dont. I honestly only see these types of videos as a shove in the face to other people.  On the other hand, women tend to be more outspoken about their emotions and lead to this. I dont discriminate people, but i'll have my opinions as you do.

[divataunia]

@imtorontobatman I get what you're saying, and I do think there's murky waters here and it can sometimes lead to acceptance of an unhealthy way of life. BUT, while there as truths in almost every stereotype, weight and size discrimination is real. People are getting paid less, losing jobs, being denied rights based solely on their size. It's not just a matter of personal preference, but a real difference in actual civil rights. (continued)

[divataunia]

@imtorontobatman As far as women being outspoken, I'm actually more outspoken about it now as a thinner person than I ever was an an obese person. Unfortunately, I think that's because the way I look now dictates how much people will listen to me - I have more of a voice as a thinner person, which is a perfect example of the type of bias obese patients face. Take a listen to my latest radio show backstagepassradio with the dot then the com for the program on bias. :)

[divataunia]

@imtorontobatman but about discrimination. Your comment is a perfect example. People place judgement on obese people based on their own personal prejudices. I think we have the ability to be both: encouraging in adapting a healthy lifestyle AND accepting of the beauty in all shapes and sizes - both men and women. I don't think *anyone* should be discrimated against - we all have our various baggage and past. Acceptance for all, I think. Happy Holidays!

[LongSchlong9000]

The only 'fat acceptance' we should be practicing is bearmode fat from bulking.

[TimmyGal]

I just think if people would be kinder to fat people, there would be NO fat people. I just saw a video where someone spoke of an overweight woman who was out jogging, and someone passed by in a car and threw garbage at her. And I'm thinking "Who does that help?" She's doing what she could by going jogging, and some dumbass throws trash at her, which I would think would only make her want to stay inside, not go out and do something to lose the weight. People who hate fat people are stupid!

[greycloud24]

@TimmyGal i make sure to NEVER discourage fat people from losing weight, exercising or dieting. however i ALWAYS go out of my way to be mean to fat people who are not trying to lose weight, exercise or diet. is it right for me to be "hateful" of fat people? i think so, i think that i am morally obligated to discourage people from accepting fat as normal. the same moral obligation to discourage murder obligates me to discourage fat people. its bad for society and it is harmful.

[TimmyGal]

@greycloud24 And it's because of people like you that fat people do get discouraged and can't lose weight. Because the nastier you are, the more a person is going to feel stressed. The more stressed they feel, the more they eat. The more they eat, the fatter they get. Get my point? And all this about "it's bad for soiciety" and "it's harmful" is nothing but a load of BS. Sorry, but it's true.

[SuperDuperInterested]

Fat acceptance is just a way for fat people to dodge having to lose weight.

[divataunia]

@SuperDuperInterested I disagree. Personally, I don't like the term "Fat Acceptance," because I think it implies what you're saying. Realistically, it's size discrimination that we're fighting against. No one person should be discriminated against because of their size, and "fat jokes" remain the last socially acceptable prejudice. Everyone makes and laughs at fat jokes with no thought about their own prejudices and hate.  (Which is what it is, it's hate.)

[greycloud24]

@divataunia ALSO it seems perfectly acceptable to publicly and openly oppose people who murder and eat the dead remains of people. this is discrimination and HATE! i don't like fat people and i don't like murderers. it is not acceptable to be fat or to kill people. and i dislike both.

[TimmyGal]

@greycloud24 You seem to do a lot of putting fat people in the same category as murderers. I don't see the connection at all. How many fat people do you see going out there murdering people? I'm the type that just likes to go on my way and be myself. If I don't like someone or something, I leave it alone. You're so bitter and full of hate you feel the need to lash out, and that's not good. I should put you in the category with murderers. Because I think you'll wind up in the same place anyway.

[divataunia]

@greycloud24 That is the most faulty and ridiculous argument I have ever seen. Comparing fat people to murderers? That's just too ludicrous to even bother to try to argue. You have no intention of discussing the issue, your intent is only to continue trolling posting hate. That's some happy life you've got there! Probably about as happy as a murderer's.

[daphnehatesderby]

None of you obviously understand what fat acceptance is. Fat acceptance advocates HEALTHY EATING and EXERCISE. Fat acceptance is the crazy idea that you don't have to hate yourself just because you're a size 14. All we're trying to do is stop hating ourselves, but apparently that's "unhealthy and dangerous."

[divataunia]

@daphnehatesderby Shouldn't the movement be called "Healthy Size Acceptance" (or something of that adage) then? To me, it's the word "fat" that changes the meaning of it and places the emphasis on this size rather than health. I don't want ANYONE to hate themselves, and I am 100% in favor of equality and acceptance. It's just that as someone who's been on both sides of the scale, I do recognize how I used "acceptance" to remove some of my own personal responsibility.

[daphnehatesderby]

@divataunia

I think the fat movement should be called: Stop Stereotyping All Fat People As Lazy, Useless, Stupid, Ugly Slobs Who Don't Care About Their Health Because Many Fatties Actually DO Exercise Daily And Eat Healthy Despite Being 'Fat,' Which Could Mean 5lbs Overweight, Or It Could Mean 50lbs. We're Just Saying To Be Healthy, Be Happy, And If You're Not A Certain Size, You Don't Have To Hate Yourself, And Others Shouldn't Hate You Either!

[taylortechniicolor]

@divataunia Uh, no, because "FAT" isn't some horrible thing, just like "tall" or "short" or "pale" or "tan" are not HORRIBLE things. They are descriptors. Nothing more, nothing less.

People can be healthy at EVERY size. Fat is NOT synonymous with unhealthy. People can be fat and be healthy, therefore there needs to be FAT acceptance.

[holikarang]

@divataunia eccessive thinness is also unhealthy. I don't think a fat person should be proud of anything just like an average weight or thin person shouldn't be proud of anything, but of course you should not think that losing weight will solve all your self-acceptance problems. We have the right to love ourselves whatever we are in that moment of our lives, this will help us decide about ourselves. Also to me there are also standars involved, for example losing weight os fine but not

[holikarang]

@holikarang becoming as thin as thin as the tv or magazine standards show you, that does not look normal to me. If you look back in the history in no civilization the ideal woman has never been so thin, and this is a standard and not a normal parameter. Let's be real and not obsessed with standards...

[stitchmorg]

@daphnehatesderby your a statistic. Dont tell us what your movement is about, should have put that in the name instead of making it politically correct.

Its dangerous, it is not okay to be overwieght, teaching people and kids that will keep the problem growing= FACT!

[ElectricShark]

This is just my opinion.

I think "Fat Acceptance" is about stopping fat people from being bullied or being ridiculed or abused or harassed in public.

I think it's more along the lines of fat tolerance.

Meaning that it's not okay to mistreat people just for their size.

[Morethanenough1]

Dangerous. Not healthy for the mind, emotions,or body.

[LadyNemesis2007]

I think fat-acceptance is bullshit. I am 305 pounds and still losing from my top weight of 320.

True romance does not exsist for huge woman and I don't want acceptance - i want love.

BIG difference. (pun intended)

[wander099]

I feel that the fat acceptance movement is asking us to accept that being unhealthy is acceptable. The huge increase in obesity is not due to a sudden emergence of genetic factors, it's due to maladaptive habits. Asking for acceptance when you are overweight is asking to be absolved of your personal responsibility to look after yourself. The only people who deserve this fat acceptance are those suffering from the rare disorders that promote obesity because it isn't their fault.

[mockbirdsunshyne]

Finally, Curvygirl1123, if you are happy & healthy - congratulations, but it is unfair to blast WLS patients and say that we do not take personal responsibility and do the surgery to look pretty and "fit social norms of being stick thin".

[curvygirl1123]

i have every right to question someone who has put themselves in the public eye who as an imformed human being are making statements such as personal responsability promoting weight loss through starvation i am not condeming wls and personal choice to have it however i am questioning the the statement ( responsability ) when this person makes an irisponsable statement which promotes her drastic weight loss through surgery and not through excersise and healthy eating

[mockbirdsunshyne]

and by choosing the surgery I took personal responsibility for my weight. Personal responsibility takes many forms, and WLS is one of them. Did I exercise before surgery? You bet, for 5 years consistently. Did I make healthy choices before surgery? Yep, but I ate too much & could not maintain the neccesary calorie range without the surgery as my tool.

[curvygirl1123]

women need to start by loving themselves the way they are when that happens then they can begin to love their bodies and care about what they put into their bodies and how they treat their bodies that is a far better message to send young women actually what really got up my nose was the statement ( personal responsability ) where is the personal responsability in starving yourself thin albeit through a gastic operation healthy eating and exercise is a far better message to send people

[mockbirdsunshyne]

tool to not only eat healthy portions, but it has freed me from the medications that I took for 10 years. As far as fat acceptance, I was fabulous and confident at 100+ pounds and I never let it affect my social, work or dating life. People didn't perceive me as being as large as I was because I didn't see myself that way. But as confident as I was, I was killing myself because of my health issues and my outside did not reflect my inside. I chose to have the surgery to save my life...

[curvygirl1123]

ife back peace

[mockbirdsunshyne]

or to fit within some sort of socially acceptable norm. You are obviously very proud of your "curves" using it as your username, but when the curves become a medical issue then people have the right to choose to do something about it. I can only speak for myself, I chose to have WLS because I had battled diabetes for 10 years never being able to maintain a helathy weight trying every possible program, diet, physician controlled program out there and I failed at all of them. WLS has given me the

[curvygirl1123]

i am not condeming wls i am responding to the comment she made about personal responsability i agree when nothing else is working for you and you have serious medical conditions then as a last resprt sergery is an option and it is up to the individual weather they choose to have it however i cannot agree with someone when they promote this option as personal responsability it is a last resort when people are faced with life saving situations contratulations for your success and getting your

[mockbirdsunshyne]

curvygirl1123, the perception you have that WLS patients look emaciated is because you are judging someone by what they used to look like (their former larger selves) to what they look like now. You would never make that comment about someone who has always been a normal weight and it is unfair to make that judgement on a WLS patient if they are within a normal BMI (the medically accepted measure of someones weight to height). Most WLS patients to not choose to have surgery to starve themselves

[curvygirl1123]

personal resposability like paying for a gastric band coz you cant loose weight without one or being forced to loose weight by a society who worships stick thin and conform under pressure or conform with a twisted view of what is right you know it just makes me laugh when people who loose weight with gastric bands think they suddenly have the right to judge another on health issues

[killmejaszzy]

I think fat acceptance depends on a lot. I think fat people should NOT be discriminated against for any reason. I think if someone is happy being fat, and they are healthy, then more power to them. However, if someone is fat and unhealthy...I don't think it should just be ignored.

[marolkisan]

I think it's most important to not project our own experiences and feelings onto others, who after all, have different challenges and issues and who, gasp, may not be affected at all by things that have traumatized us and impacted our self-esteem. We are all too good at saying because I had no self-esteem or felt bad about myself that all obese people surely must. I don't think that's fair or even true. Social acceptance is important; not everyone can afford or be a candidate for WLS.

[curvygirl1123]

marolkisan i agree with you it really anoys me when WLS candidates sit in front of a camera looking imaciated talking about responsability where is the responsabilty huh is it directed at young woman you starve themselves to conform these people pay their way out of obesity people need to let women accept their bodies we are meant to have curves wls is about starvation so were is the responsability in that

[itstime2makeachange]

I really think there is a fine line between being obesity and being bigger and healthy. I have gained weight and now my health problems have become more of an issue. It is stated that heavier people do suffer from so many health issues. I feel that what the world thinks or says is healthy skinny its too skinny it looks very unhealthy. I do feel every person is different and they hold here fat in different places. I have to agree to disagree with it. If that makes any scene.

[Julsinmaine101]

Hi Taunia!

You have the best topics for your radio show..Love it~You are looking marvelous too by the way so energetic..you are still taking your protein shakes right?Have a great day!

[MissJanieHere]

great topic!

[jenniferhenry35]

YES

[lamoeller96]

I don't think that size should be an avenue for discrimination but at the same time -- seeing the habits of some of my other fat counterparts DISGUSTS me! Even as a bigger girl, I exercise and watch what I eat and try not to overindulge. But when I see the people preaching 'fat acceptance' it sometimes seems to me that's their excuse to let themselves go and stop trying to live a healthier lifestyle. There's got to be an element of accountability.

[vitaminajizzle]

I think being overweight is the last thing on earth it's ok to discriminate against. It's sad but true.

[BigGurlx]

I think we should be accepting of ALL types of people and obesity is NOT an excuse to descriminate against anyone. Obesity is indeed a unhealthy lifestyle but it's up to each individual to take their life/health into their own hands and seek out help be it surgery or some other intervention, but we should still be accepting of obese persons just as we should be accepting of those who look different from us. Also, one can be fat and healthy, everyone is not meant to be a size 10. Moderation ...

[BigGurlx]

Moderation is the key to keeping healthy and any size. I'm still working on that ..i'll probably always have to work on that. :-)

[Thebodells]

Great topic once again... Prior to my surgery 1/5/09, I did 2 years research debating on this topic... Why, cause I was confident at being 270 and accepted myself, until one day reality set in and I knew the line between acceptance and accountablity. I needed to be accountable for the 22 years worth of damage I did to my body and future outcome of it, such as fear of becoming a diabetic.

[divataunia]

@Thebodells Amen, girl. Its a comment I keep hearing over and over again - the realization that life was NOT good while heavy. Still social acceptance is important. Such a tricky line to walk with health vs. discrimination. Thanks for your comments!

[journeytoaminime]

I know that because I was so accepting of myself and had so much confidence when I was FAT it took me till 389 lbs to recognise that I was not the happy and confident person I thought I was. I believe if I had not been so accepting of my fat I would have been alot healthier alot earlier on in life. Janine

[divataunia]

@journeytoaminime Hey Janine....this is a comment that I'm hearing more and more: while we were self-confident before, we were really hiding the ugly truth of being unhappy. I didn't realize just how unhappy I was until I could REALLY life my life, you know? Thanks for your comments - as always!

[linypcos]

dam it now i wont to know what you were going to say :(

I watch you all the time and when i see you have posted i am like YES i love it thankyou .

[divataunia]

@linypcos You're so sweet - thank you! :)

[neecyd63]

...we are the first generation in a long time that are NOT expected to increase in yrs of life expectancy... and our children (speaking figuratively as I have none myself) are now being treated more and more for obesity related diseases like hypertension at younger and younger ages. Does not bode well. We should love and accept ourselves big or small... but that doesn't absolve us from a personality repsonisibility ... fat acceptance not sure but am feeling that's a very double edged sword.

[neecyd63]

...oops meant from personal responsibility :)

[divataunia]

@neecyd63 I think this is an excellent point (the increase of life expectancy) and while I want social acceptance for everyone, I also want health and longevity of life for everyone too. Thanks much for your comments!

[neecyd63]

I am torn on this subject. I think the prejudices obese people face daily are real and a detriment. However, even before I lost any wt and was 300+ hevaviest I noted a change in society recently. Where even lighter 10 yrs ago I was always one of the biggest persons at an event or in public...at my heaviest in the past few yrs not so. Many same size or lger ppl..and that scares me for our generation and the younger one coming up.

[GeminiCaron]

Great subject! I will have to find out UK time and will tune in! X

[divataunia]

@GeminiCaron Yay! Thanks for listening :)

[ricardoswife]

You are looking great by the way! Ver healthy and the brownish hair color has really given you a different look...you are still a diva girll!

[divataunia]

@ricardoswife Thank you! :)