Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Six days shall work bedone, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
I hate to be mean, but this man as defined is a bigot. (generalization or any one group based on common occurrence) In my opinion, you looked for those comments just to support your opinion. By the way, when Cali had gay marriage the bill allowed rights for the church in the since that the church will not be forced to marry gay couples. Try to research the bill before making up lies. Marriage is not schools. ALSO Marriage has been defined over years. 1964 th gov. had to pass interracial marriage
On 12 June 1967, in the case of Loving Versus Virginia, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the laws banning interracial marriage in the United States. This was done by a court decision, based on the constitution, and not by any popular vote. Our courts exist, in large part, to protect the rights of the individual and to prevent the rights of the minority from being taken away by the majority.
I don't hold the same views as this man but I respect his right to have them.
But I don't agree with the way that he portrayed the people who sent him horrible messages. Firstly, I am sure those people were extreme and not representative. Secondly, he tries to imply that the extent of their hatred was irrational. It's not irrational. These people feel they are being stripped of a basic human right, which they have been deprived of forever. That's perfect grounds for this much resentment.
Your right, you dont hate us. I remember a slogan on a christian rally, "we dont hate you, God does". :)
You seem to be oblivious to the fact that neo-nazis still rally and have their reunions. How is religioin any different if it was to uphold marriage as between a man and a woman.
Saying gay marriage is normal in school would actually implicit remind ppl that gay ppl are normal and equal *gasp!. -_-
equal rights for all???? Gays have the right to do EVERYTHING that everyone else has. No one is stopping them. Do you believe in evolution or creationism? I'm sure it is evolution based on your post. So how do you believe that something is okay if it flies directly in the face of the evolution of humanity?
Oh, I'm sure you will come up with some sort of rationalization for this also.
NO for prop 8!!! I believe gays have everyright to get married and be with someone whom they love. If you do not like it, den dun get involve. I feel each of us have every right to make our decision if we are against Prop 8 or otherwise. And in no ways, should u influence ur decision on anyone.
This is so passively ignorant, and he bases his whole argument on religion so much for separation of church and state.... also does anyone get a creepy evil vibe from this guy??
His principals are based on his religeous beliefs....... it has nothing to do with separation of church and state. What about the 10 commandments...thou shalt not kill..... is there where murder became illegal? So much for separation of church and state. Unfortunately for you, separation of church and state means the state will NOT promote any one religeon over any other. It doesn't mean religeous doctrine can't be used to form policy and or law. I hate whn people think they are smart.....
We cannot ignore the death of 15 yr old Larry King who was gay. Now tell me, who deserves to lose their rights, the one who sends u threatening messages, or the one who goes around killing people. And the gays are not asking for your rights to be taken, they just want to be equal to the rest, which i think is absolutely fair and just.
And u say because gays are violent and the gays send dead threats, they do not deserve the rights and etc. Let me just post to u something, I have yet to hear a story where a straight person has been beaten up by gays for being heterosexual. But I sure have heard about many cases where gays are beaten up by straight people for being gay.
Hmmm u sound like u make alot of sense. But I think ur views and myopic and you have failed to see the other side of t he argument. I believe in God, and i think God loves all his creation including gays, who were created by him.
If you believe that homosexuality is wrong, don't practice it. Stop acting like everyone believes what you do. Not everyone is a Christian, get over it. Just because you're religion is the majority doesn't mean you should have control over what people do in their lives, 2 people of the same sex getting married because they love each other and want do spend the rest of their lives together does not affect you, so why are you taking that away from them?
So go on, living your comfortable boring life with a wife and two children. You have what you want, right? Congratulations, you fit into the mold of what society "believes" is normal and right. You will never understand what it means to be different. You would never be able to understand how it feel to be denied these right because you're not the same.
I do understand that most voters voting yes on prop are christians and that they do work hard and have families. I'm not a christian, but I do have a family and work hard for a living.
You make a good point. And I as a Christian am against homosexual marriage. And I have a right to be against it. And as a preacher in training I have a right to speak out against it. I hope that homosexuals get saved and change their ways. But if they do not want to then keep it to yourself and dont force it on everybody else.
I don't really believe they're trying to force it on anyone. Most of the gays I know are under the belief that what they do in the bedroom is nobody's business but theirs. And they're right. As for them getting saved and changing their ways, well there are two points to make on that. 1) You're born gay. If science doesn't convince you, listening to their horror stories will. 2) What about religious gay people? They're just as devout as you are, but they're not saved because of one minor detail?
BTW; I must say that, even though I disagree with you, I do like how you seem to be above the needless name-calling that seems to befall people of religion on these types of boards. All this "fag" and "queer" stuff gets kind of tiresome. It's quite refreshing to hear someone who is able to rise above that. After all, what good does it do to talk of tolerance and love if you don't practice what you preach?
Oh well my brother is homosexual. And I call him a queer to his face. But thats brotherly love and all. He calls me a cultist. Whatever. Its when people call you a hate monger for having a standard and holding to a set a morals and right living. Its when they tell you its not their choice how they live their lives. When clearly it is. There is no scientific evidance to being born anything other than a boy or a girl. I told my brother once its your choice where you stick your penis. Its a choice.
Actually, there's quite a lot of scientific evidence to prove that it is not a choice. The American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, American Pediatrics Association, not to mention geneticists and neurosurgeons have all agreed unanimously that a persons sexual orientation is determined before birth. The question of whether or not you're a hatemonger is not so black and white.
That makes no common sense. People say that you cant choose who you love. I dont believe that for one second. Love is a choice. And so is who(or what)you desire to play sex with. It is crud terminology. And yes I will use it. Because it is wrong. And it is a choice who I choose to love and choose to hate. I choose not to hate anybody. Its a choice no matter how you look at it.
no, i disagree. every gay person i've ever met would say they didn't have a choice.
to be more specific, i agree that you can choose who to be with. but you can't choose who you WANT to be with can you? being with someone, and wanting to be with someone are two very seperate things. a gay man could marry a woman, but he wouldn't want her regardless of the fact that he's chosen to be with her.
Look, I don't blame you for not liking the word bigot. It's not a pleasant word. But what else are we supposed to think when you think it's okay to treat people like secondary citizens just because you don't like what they do in private? You may not think you hate gays, but what you say in this video clearly indicates otherwise. It's a classic example of closet-case bigotry.
Funny thing about the yes-on-8 crowd and the whole issue of "rights" (and by funny, I mean disturbing.) You seem to value the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...just not for gays. Oh, but that doesn't make you bigots. Noo, you just think that gay people shouldn't have the same rights that you do, because what they do goes against god/nature. Guess what? I don't like what you say. I find it vile and wrong. But I respect your right to say it. And that's the key word: respect.
I think at the core it is a question of whether you believe that who someone loves also determines the type of societal rights they are granted. I have had friends go through the rigamarole of establishing only a smattering of the rights which heterosexual couples are blessed to achieve through marriage. (I kid you not, the legal documents were over an inch thick). It would seem that as a whole, much of the reverence afforded marriage in the past, is not applied in the present.
but the separation of church and state is there for a reason. If your church and congregation does not believe in gay marriage, then they should not marry gay people. It is a private organization. I don't think that the slippery slope argument that if a church choses to practice that belief, that there is a danger of a gay couple suing to be able to marry in that church, holds much water.
This abuse towards self-hatred should not be accepted in a our society and if anything, it should be something which Christians should outright rally against. I do not think that the dichotomy exists as love and hate. I think it exists as love and fear. A lot of the rhetoric espoused on both ends of the "YouTube arguments" has to do with fear. Fear that a law will trample upon ones personal beliefs. I do think that some morality may be practiced in law-making
You are fortunate to have been born in a way that is socially accepted so you have never experienced the fear of realizing that you are gay, that you are different. As much as homosexuals can embrace their sexuality and their love of someone of the same gender, I would venture to say that the majority have internalized the hatred that comes from outside influences be it the media, (yes, the online forum comments), individuals, or laws.
The "separate but equal" argument did not work well in our past and I would hope in the future, we could move beyond these destructive constructs. Political affiliations do not fit into this realm. I can appreciate if you do not wish to be something you are not. I would infer by your video that you are probably not gay. You may be on some level able to empathize if you really try to understand what it is like to realize that you are gay but you can never sympathize.
It is disheartening to say the least but I would hope that people do not come to their socio-political beliefs based on what some uneducated fool posts on an online forum. I think that it does boil down to acceptance and that is where self-proclaimed Christians would benefit from truly questioning their heart and mind and reconciling how if you love someone; you would want them to be denied rights.
I appreciate that you seemed to be calm when explaining your position. I don't understand the "fringe element" aspect of your argument. There are extremes on both ends. Unfortunately, YouTube seems to attract individuals who are unable to express themselves with any form of eloquence or decorum. I've seen hate and ignorance played out by both sides.
I only made it to about 4 minutes through your video. After that it was pointless because you were trying to convince me that 1. suddenly, miraculously, the entire world is Christian and 2. that gay and lesbian people and their supporters are some sort of scary "fringe element" that will attempt to teach us to stop discrimination - how horrifying. However that "fringe element" is over 45% of the vote so please stop making it seem like a terrorist organization or something.
The reason people want to teach kids that it's okay to be gay is because bigots like you will teach them that they need to grow up and cct a certain way in order to go to heaven.
Personaly, If I've got to fit into god's narrow min din order to go to heaven, I'd much rather go to hell thank you very much.
I think its HILARIOUS that this WHOLE video is all about you saying that a "fringe element" is just trying to "push its political agenda", but you are LITERALLY FORCING your "agenda" down the throat of anyone who watches this video by trying to SHOCK them with those quotes and spread UNTRUTHS about people by "sounding" like you know what you are talking about. However, I am sure that if you were ACTUALLY educated on the subject of homosexuality, you would feel very differently.
"We are hard working and mow our lawns" says it all. A man whose life experience goes no further than his front lawn. I am British and thank god (yes god!) live in the UK We have had centuries of seeing a wide world. We have civil partnership, it has brought a new vitality and stability to family society. Step off your front lawn, travel to another state, see the world, You live in so much fear and ignorance would you get on the plane? FEAR=PRECONCEPTION -THE DEFINITION OF PREJUDICE
Also, I am willing to bet that in addition to those hateful comments you received there were a few sincere ones that you chose not to share. The few death threats you received are heard daily by members of the gay community. It's not pleasant is it? As far as the rights of civil unions, there are 100 different allowances not conferred on civil unions that are allowed in marriages. So that being said, I do believe we should demand civil unions have the same state and federal rights as marriages
I am deeply disappointed by your lack of christian tolerance. The fringe element you speak of consists of loving, caring, sympathetic, generous, devoted human beings. Sound familiar. Your concerns about the education of your children are not founded. Prior to speaking out about that you probably should have checked facts. CA education system does not allow curriculum not approved by board of ed. and you are most certainly entitled to voice your objections and remove your child from class.
As carlairving said, the Dem/GOP analogy flat out does not apply. We're all subject to the same laws, regardless of political affiliation. We ARE treated differently on the basis of sexual orientation. Separate but "equal" treatment never has and never will suffice. I also take issue with the way you described our pursuit for rights. Our community is simply fighting for equality, not attempting a takeover. It is the Christian right who is stripping rights from and invading the lives of citizens.
It is unfortunate that your opinion of gays advocating for their rights has been affected by these comments. But... have you looked at any gay-themed videos on youtube? It is amazing, the anti-gay hatred on this website. I can't count the amount of times I've seen "die faggots" or "gays will all burn in hell." Not to even mention the countless hate crimes committed in the world every day. The holders of those opinions are sadly more than a fringe group.
Sweetie. Honey. Cookie. The comments in the video may be a tad over-the-top, i'll give you that, but do you think the homophobes are any better towards us?
The slang, slander, and violence gays get from some of you folks would make sailors run away crying.
Google Matthew Shepard when you get a chance, will you?
funny how he says he isn't a bigot against homosexuality, but gets soo offended by a comment saying that someone wish his kid to be gay... Well, not funny, but somehow ironic.
To me, it sounds like: "It's okay if those evil satan worshipers decided to be gay, but just if they keep their discusting persons out of my own life and my own neighbour. We are good religious people, we don't belong with that kind of crap..."
Okay, I listened to the whole video and I think I got your point about civil union. Problem is that even if a civil union would be completely equal to marriage in CA, it would not be the equal as marriage in itself. For example, if a couple who got married has to move to another state (for work, medical reasons or else), their marriage would still be recognized by their new state of residence. What if a civil unionized couple has to move to a state where civil unions are recognized as in CA?
Also, your analogy with republican and democrats dosen't work. Because republicans, democrats, libertarians, greens, apathetic, ... are all subject to the same law. Civil union couples and married couples, by definition, aren't.
There will always be differences. The ability of most hetero couples to procreate is a difference. I am pro 8, but I would gladly support legislation for a national ruling that provides state to state acceptance of benefits, and makes Social Security benefits available as well.
That's a stereotype. My best friend is openly gay but he always attends chruch and helps out there and believes in God. It's just like saying that all Christian's, Moromon's etc are all narrowed minded assholes that believe homosexual and blacks should be excuted, women should be worth nothing and slavery being A-OKAY.
Really? Your comment is filled with hate and intolorance. You're the true bigot! "Gays are the hate-spewing bigots! Queers better not come around my property with bad intent because I will exercise my 2nd Amendment right!" By calling gays "Queers" you have just proven my point douchebag!
I think you are right. Gays should have exactly the same rights as a married couple under a Civil Union. Christian churches and pastors should not be forced into performing a ceremony they don't agree with. I strongly believe that a couple....gay or straight...deserves the same rights. I just think that there is already a definition for marriage. It's between a man and a woman. I have gay friends, I am a Christian, and I am a Democrat.
You keep talking about Christian values and beliefs... If the gay marriage debate is one over the fundamentals of Christian beliefs and the foundation of marriage, then why are Muslims, Bhuddists, Jews, Catholics and Athiests allowed to marry without question? Marriage should not invoke religious debate, the right to marry is not exclusive to an ideology. Just because YOU don't believe in it doesn't mean it should be abolished.
You knowwhat is funny tome..... Airead these comments, why is it you call him an idiot and accuse him of being a closet fag. Is this the only argument you can make. Look I am married to a person of the opposite sex. I have two kids and a am very happy. I am not going to let you change the meaning of what my wife and I have. Get your own word and come back. yes you deserve the same rights as a couple but get your own word. Make one up, it coul be fun like Garriage or somthing.
What about the Christian fringe element? Hello Fred Phelps!!
So what of they do teach that being gay is okay?? Big deal? What are you scared your kids are gay? Are YOU gay?
Why do you care? You have YOUR own selfish agenda, and dont give a shit about the others.
Oh yeah the gays were the only ones being hateful, you lying sack of crap. "Christians" as you call them can be one of THE most hateful groups out there. So sit on it and spin you closet homo.
Nathow, you can speak nicely, and act as though the christian populous does no wrong, but you should re-watch what you posted - swap what you refer to as the gay community (a "fringe element") with the Christian Right. The gay community is not asking for anymore rights than those that you are offered. They are not stepping on your rights, simply asking that you share them. And as a stubborn 2 year old you have stomped your feet and said "No! I'm better than you. This is mine."
"You" shouldn't be giving the people who left the death threats more rights??? Did all gay people leave you death threats? By that logic gays should not be giving morons more rights & u represent all "straigts"?? so all straights are morons. Gays are not trying to change the constitution, u are. It is not true that civil unions provide the same rights, do your homework, you told many lies in this video. Why do you care who marries who? I think you have some unresolved sexuality issues.
dude, great points, no on 8 people, have no idea what is going on, Most of them are stupid young people. (and by the way im 18 so im not some old fart) They don't realize how important judeo/christian values are to a society
The constitution is important to society, judeo christian values are your values. Anyone who would alter the constitution to take away rights from anyone is an asshole, ASSHOLE!
children from harassment. Also, I don't think your separate but equal analogy is accurate. People can choose whether they wish to be a Democrat or a Republican (or neither), but people do not choose their sexuality. I'm not sure at all what point you are trying to make with this analogy either. Proponents of same-sex marriage are not against opposite-sex marriage.
Sexuality is not a choice, and so I believe that children should be taught to accept those who are different. I don't think this can be done with any success unless children are taught that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. This may be against your religion, but the United States does not adhere to the teachings of any one religion. Teaching acceptance in schools would not prevent you from following your beliefs or teaching them to your children, but it would protect (continued)
of denying rights to a group because you fear that some people may both gain and abuse power once this equality is granted. Also, I believe that it is importance to teach acceptance in schools. Though you argue that you are trying to protect children, it seems that you are only concerned with the protection of heterosexual children. Homosexual children are subjected to horrors as bad as, and often, far worse than, the messages you received from viewers of your videos. (continued)
I am in no way defending the insults and threats which people have directed toward you, but I disagree with your argument. First of all, one of the central points of your argument seems to be that you believe there is nothing wrong with denying all members of a group equal rights on the basis that the group may contain extremists who try to gain additional privileges. I believe that it is unfair to group people in this way, and that it is more important to guarantee equality instead (continued)
I understand your views and your desire to protect your family. But I would like for you, and others, to understand my views. I am a simple 20 year old woman who just so happens to be gay. I grew up in a Christian household and was taught that it's a sin to be gay. I grew up in a Christian neighborhood, whose children tormented me because I was different. If I could change my life so that I wasn't gay I would. But I can no longer deny my own happiness. These are my choices. (...continued)
But sir, my choices should not have to affect the lives of the people I love. They should not affect my future children, should I decide to have any, because their mother is gay. They should not affect my nieces and nephew because they have two aunts and no uncle. And I am afraid that it will. I am afraid my family will be physically harmed for protecting me and I would never wish that on them. You are trying to protect your family from me, and I am simply trying to protect mine from yours.
The real true and equal vote should be NO on Prop 8 because first of all if you read the entire statute at the end of it it says this has nothing to do with schools and I have never been taught anything on this. Also, what about the people who are gay. We should have equal rights!! I mean seriously if you were gay you would feel way differently. And also the governor of California and Barack Obama both say no on Prop 8! Wake up you Republican! Wake UP!
Fred Phelps really seems loving to me...you are the same with just a little more gentle message. If your marriage is on such shaky ground that what I do in my life affects yours that much, you should get a divorce.
contin.... I'm always surprised when Christians forget the "throw the first stone" analogy. What is going on here is not an attempt to take over any religious culture, but an attempt to fight for equal human rights. A separate but "equal" institution does not support equality. I am a straight person who sees not homo and hetero sexuality issues on the table here, but human issues, and I am not comfortable having a right to myself that everyone does not equally share.
Look, with all due respect to you and your beliefs sir, you are deeply wrong when you call the gay community "fringe". Every human deserves equal rights, not just those within the circle. I want you to look at your words here. You are very cautious, and patient in speaking, but you still compare those with homo sexuality to the war mongers and political abusers by calling them all fringe. That is not a perspective from a compassionate human, that is blinded judgment.
For all you " enlightened " people leaving hate filled texts. Please, tell me where in the constitution it says that anyone has the "right" to be married. The state of California has voted against this 3 times. It took a couple of liberal judges to overturn those votes, and now the people have overturned the judges decision. If the people in California had wanted it, then they would not have voted it down.
all humans want and need love. gay or straight, we all want to love and the right to give that love to whom ever we wish in marriage or not.
and buddy, not all the people who have left you comments are gay. there are plenty of straight people out there ready to kick ass for equal rights for all.
i don't wish you any harm. i wish for you an awakening to the people of this changing world. history is happening right now and you are going to miss it. YES WE CAN!
you are spreading hate by posting this video. i am so sick of people like you hiding behind "GOD" and calling what you do a warning to the people of the earth. in the beings of your christian religion YOU were on the fringe and look how your agenda has risen your GOD to power. your religion has destroyed nations of people in the name of truth and GOD.
To be sitting here, watching you insulting gay people just makes me sick. And what's worse is that you're being polite about it, you're politely insulting some of what you call "brothers and sisters", excluding them from a right everybody should have, the right to LOVE. Gay people don't harm anyone, Why can't you see that? Gay people are NORMAL people just as much as straight people are. Now stop preaching, stop this adorably insulting speech. We don't deserve this.
Those chirstians are like the ones on the Silent Hill movie. They think they must 'save ppl from their so-called sin' and do 'Gods Will' but one day theyll realise how wrong they are. (but maybe not the part where the barbed wire rips into the womans lady parts LOL)
This man is clearly a closeted, self-loathing homosexual. He could easily replace the word "gay" with "black" and this could be a promotional video denouncing an entirely different "fringe element".
You want to talk about a group pushing their own agenda to gain political power?? Seriously?? I think it`s time that you took a look at how the christian religion is operating in the United States. Heaven forbid having children being taught about other religions or other ways of thinking that don`t go along with christianity. Ignorance breeding ignorance... that is sad. I hope Barak can find a way to lead you people in the humane direction
Wow... he's just full of bull shit! I think he needs to check his dictionary and look at what hate is and look at how his Christian bible defines different types of people. Christians don't hate??? I say "fuck you" to him.
wwjd....Well I have a good feeling that he would NOT have said what you had, nor would he even feel that way about this subject. You call yourself a christian , but I'm sorry to say sir, that you have lost your beliefs/rationale along the way. It's thanks to people like you that make "our" religion look bad, no wonder so many people loose their faith.
Your an idiot, christians need to stop being so arrogant as to think their way is the only way, noone is going to get sued KKK can speak about gays and blacks all they want remember, they are protected under the first amendment
By the way...civil unions usually do NOT offer all of the same benefits as marriage. People love to build them up as a great alternative to marriage but when it comes down to it they are not always equal.
What are the differences then? (I'm a Canadian from Toronto, where gay marriage is allowed- I'm just wondering what those differences in rights are and wouldn't that be a nice stepping stone to start at- for gay and straight ppl)
This video is just ridiculous. The issue isn't about religion. It is about allowing ALL couples to marry and benefit from that marriage, regardless of their sexuality.
I love how you're showing the negative comments from opponents as if your "Christians" would NEVER use a negative comments themselves. It's extremely one-sided. And if you want to argue the value of marriage, your "Christians" have been demoralizing marriage for years with their extremely high divorce rates and such!
Prop 8 appears to have passed. Now tolerance goes both ways in California. I appreciate all of you who voted and participated in democracy on this most important issue. I appreciate the kind and respectful tone and good people that are on either side of this issue. I'm glad when we can be tolerant of each other. And I'm thankful for freedom of speech, a fundamental human right.
Why do I get the impression that despite your civil words, you are still being an asshole? Why do we have to tolerate bigotry? Or religious morals pretending to be secular law?
"they work hard, they love there family s, they mow their law on Saturday they go to church on Sunday"
Are you saying Gays don't do this? They don't love there family's? don't work hard? You say Christians don't hate but what about those ones that scream "Fag" or "Your going to burn in hell" or other fun letting phrases like that.
I couldn't watch the rest. Bigots make my tummy turn. blahhhhh
Gay people hate religion. Period. Prove me wrong without hating (because I don't respect you haters and you're the scum of the earth) and I will welcome the change in opinion.
do you know every gay person in the world? 'period'?
I am both Christian and gay and extremely passionate about my faith. I am certainly not the only one.
If you're going to generalise about gay people, then probably the most accurate generalisation you can make is that we HATE being stereotyped and lumped into catagories.
A person's sexuality does not dictate their perspective on religion. You really can't connect the two, 'period'.
I happen to be a christian, and also gay , your argument is invalid i do not hate religion, religion is the solid rock that has kept my life together through out the years. Some "christians" jesus broke bread whith what some may call sinners, follow his example there is hate and anger in your statement, he that loveth not knoweth not god for god is love,
Nice try. There are NOT EVEN CLOSE to as many gays as Christians buddy. America's a DEMOCRACY. By definition, MAJORITY RULES. Period. People are born with race AND sex, not an optional sex. Christians don't hate. It's true. Gays are angry and intolerant at beliefs Christians have had for thousands of years. "People who are giving death threats...we should be taking their rights and locking them away." He's right.
>America's a DEMOCRACY. By definition, MAJORITY RULES. Period.
You ignorant idiot. I have heard this bullshit SO many times over the course of this debate and it is not true. The Founding Fathers warrned against this HUNDREDS of times, but hey, why listen to them?
What you describe is a poliarchy. Look it up, compare it to constitutional democracy, and realise how utterly uninformed you are. Now consider that maybe it's not the only thing that you are uninformed about.
"there is always a fringe element that wants to continue to push to gain political objectives and don't seem to really care whose rights they trample on, who they hurt and what they leave in their wake"
I totally agree! Thanks for supporting our fight to protect our right to marry from being trampled. For keeping our families safe from harm and from the hurt of being unacknowledged. For not leaving torn hearts, families, spirits and freedoms in your wake. For taking care to vote NO on Prop 8!
This is a ridiculous argument. "How long will it be..." Religion has co-existed with other religions. Nothing has changed any of those religions from preaching what they believe. Its just like blacks, asians, latinos, ect., have co-existed this whole time. And kids aren't required to learn anything in schools of California about marriage. That's why when we were in school we had to take home papers and get them signed by our parents. BTW people leave bad comments. Straight people do it too.
bull fucking shit what about the crusades christians are responsible for all of that and ofcourse your going to get hate mail you are comming on here saying our life style is wrong. in my opinion you are no better that the assholes that killed matthew shepard or is you mind so clouded with discontent about something you know nothing about you cant see that denying marrige to us is treating us like animals.
Shame on you. Writing Christianity into the constitution undermines the religious freedom other religions, a cause for which your people fight. My parents are straight. They are divorced. My neighbors are straight and married without kids. My boss is married and a lesbian. Are all of these people part of a "fringe" because they don't fit into your narrow minded view of a union between two loving partners.
Man, what an alarmist with absolutely no handle on the facts.
You must be one of those fringe loonies that wants to trample of the rights of others, no matter who they are, to further your political agenda. That's exactly what you're doing. Hypocrite.
Based on your rationale, I do believe if this were 1948 you would be citing similar "problems" that our society would have with permitting interracial marriage. Please do not try to deny it because members of the Christian religion used to use scripture to support their claims on that issue as well.
Just because kids will be taught about same sex marriage doesn't mean they will magically turn homosexual. School's aren't REQUIRED to teach anything other than what's required to move to the next level of education. It doesn't matter what your opinion is on marriage. Voting NO means that you agree that everyone should be allowed their fundamental rights, rights that are taught to children. Do you want your child coming home asking why certain people are denied these rights?
And of course, according to you, gays don't mow thier lawns, work hard or go to church...interesting. I would like to know if you or your friends would still mow your lawns, work hard or go to church on Sunday if two men or two women were to marry each other? Exactly HOW is it going to impact your life as an individual? It won't and don't say it will. But, if you vote "Yes" on 8, IT WILL IMPACT other's loves. But, that's okay as long as you get your way, right?
I was illustrating that YES voters are not motivated by hate or intolerance, but are reasonable citizens. I was trying to express that one group gaining rights at the expense of the rights of a different group is wrong. Redefining marriage will impact all of society, and for most of us, not in a good way. I have the right to express my opinion in a public forum. The question is, why are you so angry? Would you shut me up if you could? Would you want my right to free speech taken away?
look i understand that you too are upset with those nasty comments, but what you said at the end of your vid was not fair. you made a massive assumption that all gays, that all people against prop 8 are as you stated in your vid. thats not true. prop 8 amends the California constitution with a mere 14 words, if you really take the time to read those words, you might find they are unfair. if you are trying to swim some voters, do it by providing facts, and putting aside personal beliefs. No On 8
The struggle to support Prop 8 is about religion and our schools... if 8 is defeated, then California law would have to be implemented... which would mean preaching that heterosexual marriage is what marriage should be could be considered discriminatory by the fringe element I spoke of... and disputes over gay couples wanting to be married in a Church instead of City Hall will land in our courts... and yes, the law states the legal definition of marriage is to be part of the school curriculum.
You still didn't answer my question as to how exactly gay marriage will impact your life as as individual. I'm assuming you will still put gas in your car, go to work, but groceries, watch TV, play on your computer, go to church, wear the same clothes, eat at the same restaurants, hang out with the same friends. So, tell me, how will it change your life?
In all my videos and on this subject, I tried to explain the possible negative ramifications to society in general if 8 is defeated. I don't want morals I disagree with taught to my children without giving me advance notice so I can opt out. And yes, that has already happened in Hayward, California. I don't want to see my Church have to defend itself in court because preaching that heterosexual marriage is the way it is supposed to be, is considered discriminatory. Watch my other videos.
Isn't it true that the Faith Ringgold Elementary School in Hayward, California held a "Coming Out Day" on October 23rd...? Isn't it true a "TransAction Gender-Bender Read-Aloud" will take place Nov. 20th...? Isn't it also true parents were given no warning and only found out after the fact...? Isn't it true these events were intended for kindergardeners as well...? Do you deny facts...?
It seems as though I have now been limited to 500 characters on my responses. Instead of responding to me through email, I would appreciate you responding here, as I am doing.
I ask me why I am so angry or if I would "shut you up if given the chance". Stop being childish. I am not gay, but have many friends and family who are. You, seem to have a terrible time with this whole thing. I'm sorry if you feel discrimination is acceptable, I don't have the saame views as you or yor church.
You can say you don't hate anyone, but if that were really true, you wouldn't condemn someone for who they are and for trying to live a happy life. You talk about trampling rights, but you seek to take away the right to marry the person these people want to spend their lives with. Prop 8 has nothing to do with the churches, who by the way were ALREADY performing ceremonies before the marriages were legal, nor does it have to do with the schools. My husband of 19 yrs. and I are voting NO!
I am condemning no one... and I certainly hope everyone finds true happiness in their lives. When I spoke about peoples rights, I was trying to express that one group gaining rights at the expense of the rights of a different group is wrong. And I think you are naive if you think Prop 8 has nothing to do with Churches. Same sex marriage has already had a huge effect on Catholicism in Boston, and in Alberta, Canada and in New Jersey. And the legal definition of marriage is taught in schools.
Jesus Christ says vote NO on prop H8. Gays are genetically that way. It is not a choice. Christ would not prohibit gay marriage any more than he would prohibit eating shellfish nor the wearing of two types of cloth.
Equal rights for all. I'm straight and I know no gay people, but know this discriminatory position should NOT be written into the Constitution any more than banning interracial marriage should be in the Constitution.
I was born into the Christian church, my mother's father was a pastor, my mother is a bible scholar, and the organized religion you follow is a fake Christianity. Christ himself would be angry to discover what a mockery people like you have made of his "love your enemies" lessons. Your "church" friends are the ones that brought us into a war in Iraq based on lies.
Your friends are the ones that DO NOT take in the tax collector and the prostitute and the underdogs of society. You look down your nose at gays and treat them as second class citizens. Repent, you sinner...and REALLY love your fellow human beings! You have a lot of nerve to post this crap. Take this hateful video down and start to love all human beings as Christ himself did.
My parents were both straight, my older brother is straight, my older sister? straight, my friends at school - straight, my neighborgs - straight, my teachers? straight, I grew up around were all straight yet Im gay, I GREW UP with these people and they didn't change me so how is gay people getting married going to affect YOUR children? it won't change anything, if anything it would make your son a more tolerable, loving, accepting individual. Stop this nonesense.
Just because they're christians who mow their lawns on saturday doesn't mean they're good people, STOP excusing everything with "we're christians", that doesn't make you a good person, Ed gain, arguably the most famous serial killer in history, was a christian. Im not saying christians are serial killers but to say that they're "good people" just because of their beliefs it's STUPID, there are good and bad people from every religion, race and sex.
Thats cool if thats what you believe. I personally will be voting NO because I believe everyone should be treated equal and have the right to be happy. I will leave it up to god to judge at the end because I dont have that right. I am also Straight happily married and I have a 15 month old daughter.
Also I do not dislike you for your ideas even though we have are differences you seem like a cool guy and I know your just looking out for you and your family.
There is a reason that the constitution of the united states has a separation of church and state. I am a strong christian but that has no place in politics. Religion should not decide what goes into a constitution.
I am concerned about the future as well. Both sides have spent millions on this Prop.
Fact: 73 million dollars total have been spent on both sides.
Meanwhile breast cancer, alzheimer disease, aids, autisms, homelessness, lung cancer ( to name a few) plague our State. Music programs are few and far between. School shooting continues to happen.
Who would have guessed that 14 words amended to our state constitution would be more important than any of the above.
Mowing the lawn on Saturday makes it right to change the constitution to discriminate? You so-called Christians are the ones who want to trample on rights here.
When people go into Churches and tell preachers what to say, we won't need a proposition, because we already have the 1st amendment.
But if you needed one to prevent people from telling you what to do in your church, I'd be for it.
Return the favor and prevent people from telling me what to do in my personal life. Vote No.
This is another wonderful example of people who just parrot what they hear in the yes on 8 commercials. I love how you create this "fringe group" that is out to get you and your kids, then point at it and say "this is why we need to vote yes on 8. the fact is none of the things you say will happen are going to happen, they said EXACTLY the same things about the racial purity laws of the 1960. NO ON 8 you will not be supporting any kind of 'fringe group' the sky will not fall!!
So it's not about hate, but yet you conflate everyone that wants a no vote on it as being of the same ilk as some people who sent you death threats, and they want to take your rights away. Paranoid much?
And undecided people should listen to you, why?
Join the 21st century. Get used to gay people, they really don't bite, and they won't hurt your children, your schools, or your churches. Really.
Religion shouldn't have anything to do with politics. Love is love and people don't seem to understand that. We've been through this with women of this country and African Americans in this country and whether you like it or not, we will keep fighting for our rights. I'm curious to know what is so 'sacred' about marriage between a man and women when the divorce rate in this country is at 50%. Nothing. Let those marry who will really appreciate what it means to be married. Vote NO on 8.
I hate how children are using their children as an excuse. Do you honestly think that your children aren't going to find out about homosexuality? Whether gay marriage stays legal or not, what are you going to tell your children when they see two men holding hands or two women kissing? The exact same fucking thing. To vote yes on 8 would be taking the rights away from fellow Americans.
Its been the same people for many, many years, that tried to keep slavery, taken rights away from african americans, taken rights away from woman, and so on.
Thats so funny!! Because you are the fringe element. You are the ones pushing your beliefs onto other people. We just want equal rights, which we as citizens are promised in the constitution. As for the word "tradition" my families traditions are different than yours. So stop using the word tradition, because it means different to everyone.
They have no issue hurting MILLIONS of Americans with this vote, trust me payback is a bitch. Your hatefilled group of people have messed with the wrong group. If you want to define marriage, then let's start defining words. We will vote to define mormons as a terrorist group and demand the government step in to take care of them as we would expect them to any group that was a threat to America. Taking just ONE right from any American, takes them from all of us. Remember this when you vote.
I had some new bumper sticker made up, I put it on the back of the Mercedes, tomorrow I can going to put them on my other cars, my wife wants one on her's too. We've got to let the world know. It says.... Mormons = Terrorism then below it says.... google it! The world needs to know the truth behind this evil hatefilled group of people. Heck, their own founder was arrested on FRAUD charges and pleaded GUILTY and served time in JAIL. The truth will be told We should vote to lable them!!!
The % was based purely on, those married within a church with a priest or minister. We are talking about people that stood upon the alter, professed their undying love in front of God, family & friends. The actual divorce rate was quoted 58%, but out of that, 93% of those were professing. Is that really that hard of a stretch? If we're serious about saving marriage? Maybe we can look to the bible. Oh yeah, we would probably stone them to death. Nevermind.
3. You claim that distinguishing between dems. and reps. is the same as distinguishing between marriage for opposite-sex and civil unions for same-sex couples. This is not the case. D's and R's have exactly the same status, which would not be the case for same-sex couples denied the opportunity to marry. "Separate but equal" may work in theory, but in practice, it led to second-class status for blacks, as it would for same-sex couples.
2. You make the slippery slope argument: "if we pass this, it might lead to all sorts of terrible things." In this case, though, that's not true. There is a clear distinction between legalizing marriage and making it a crime for preachers to claim that homosexuality is sinful. A (legalizing gay marriage) does not lead to B (criminalizing preaching against gay marriage). If you don't like B, then argue against B. As for the possibility of some preachers saying gay marriage is okay, that's
This argument could be applied to almost any group, to discourage supporting almost any position. It's not uncommon for Christians to send very hateful email to professed atheists, telling them to burn in hell, and including death threats. By your reasoning, that means we should oppose any position Christians support. But those hate messages aren't representative of all Christians any more the comments you cite are representative of those who support gay marriage.
I agree with you. It is wrong of Christians to send hate. Period. But those are not the true acting Body of Christ. It is for Love that He came, and for Love that did not repay evil with evil, but with His own Life. We must honor him, and we must therefore vote for the things we know His sacred heart support. Please vote Yes on this issue. God Bless You!
1. You argue that people should vote yes on 8 because some people who support it have threatened you, and are dangerous. Basically this amounts to saying, "group A is dangerous, therefore you should not support
Whilst on the subject of biblical rules, let us not forget these little gems:
Exodus 31:14
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
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And remember this one:
Exodus 35:2
Six days shall work bedone, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
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For some other great biblical injunctions of what should be done to those who transgress the laws, see:
"No Offense but you deserve to be killed - from Miss California" by Julietjeske
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I hate to be mean, but this man as defined is a bigot. (generalization or any one group based on common occurrence) In my opinion, you looked for those comments just to support your opinion. By the way, when Cali had gay marriage the bill allowed rights for the church in the since that the church will not be forced to marry gay couples. Try to research the bill before making up lies. Marriage is not schools. ALSO Marriage has been defined over years. 1964 th gov. had to pass interracial marriage
dustylane1989 1 year ago
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On 12 June 1967, in the case of Loving Versus Virginia, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the laws banning interracial marriage in the United States. This was done by a court decision, based on the constitution, and not by any popular vote. Our courts exist, in large part, to protect the rights of the individual and to prevent the rights of the minority from being taken away by the majority.
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Yes, by definition, he is a bigot!
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I don't hold the same views as this man but I respect his right to have them.
But I don't agree with the way that he portrayed the people who sent him horrible messages. Firstly, I am sure those people were extreme and not representative. Secondly, he tries to imply that the extent of their hatred was irrational. It's not irrational. These people feel they are being stripped of a basic human right, which they have been deprived of forever. That's perfect grounds for this much resentment.
squiddlydiddly 2 years ago
The most hateful messages are preached from pulpits, from superstar evangelists my dear.
matatala 2 years ago
10 minutes of my life wasted! Thank you sir.
keokismail 2 years ago
Your right, you dont hate us. I remember a slogan on a christian rally, "we dont hate you, God does". :)
You seem to be oblivious to the fact that neo-nazis still rally and have their reunions. How is religioin any different if it was to uphold marriage as between a man and a woman.
Saying gay marriage is normal in school would actually implicit remind ppl that gay ppl are normal and equal *gasp!. -_-
leojboby 2 years ago
Stop acting as if u are so rational towards prop 8 issue. I believe in equal rights for all.
pig67 2 years ago 2
equal rights for all???? Gays have the right to do EVERYTHING that everyone else has. No one is stopping them. Do you believe in evolution or creationism? I'm sure it is evolution based on your post. So how do you believe that something is okay if it flies directly in the face of the evolution of humanity?
Oh, I'm sure you will come up with some sort of rationalization for this also.
clctah 2 years ago
NO for prop 8!!! I believe gays have everyright to get married and be with someone whom they love. If you do not like it, den dun get involve. I feel each of us have every right to make our decision if we are against Prop 8 or otherwise. And in no ways, should u influence ur decision on anyone.
pig67 2 years ago
YES YES YES........ YOU LOSE!!!!
GAYS can't get married. Hahahahahaha
clctah 2 years ago
This is so passively ignorant, and he bases his whole argument on religion so much for separation of church and state.... also does anyone get a creepy evil vibe from this guy??
Equality for all!!!!!
05062276 2 years ago
His principals are based on his religeous beliefs....... it has nothing to do with separation of church and state. What about the 10 commandments...thou shalt not kill..... is there where murder became illegal? So much for separation of church and state. Unfortunately for you, separation of church and state means the state will NOT promote any one religeon over any other. It doesn't mean religeous doctrine can't be used to form policy and or law. I hate whn people think they are smart.....
clctah 2 years ago
We cannot ignore the death of 15 yr old Larry King who was gay. Now tell me, who deserves to lose their rights, the one who sends u threatening messages, or the one who goes around killing people. And the gays are not asking for your rights to be taken, they just want to be equal to the rest, which i think is absolutely fair and just.
vikiboi02 2 years ago 2
And u say because gays are violent and the gays send dead threats, they do not deserve the rights and etc. Let me just post to u something, I have yet to hear a story where a straight person has been beaten up by gays for being heterosexual. But I sure have heard about many cases where gays are beaten up by straight people for being gay.
vikiboi02 2 years ago
Hmmm u sound like u make alot of sense. But I think ur views and myopic and you have failed to see the other side of t he argument. I believe in God, and i think God loves all his creation including gays, who were created by him.
vikiboi02 2 years ago
If you believe that homosexuality is wrong, don't practice it. Stop acting like everyone believes what you do. Not everyone is a Christian, get over it. Just because you're religion is the majority doesn't mean you should have control over what people do in their lives, 2 people of the same sex getting married because they love each other and want do spend the rest of their lives together does not affect you, so why are you taking that away from them?
sammo365 2 years ago 2
So go on, living your comfortable boring life with a wife and two children. You have what you want, right? Congratulations, you fit into the mold of what society "believes" is normal and right. You will never understand what it means to be different. You would never be able to understand how it feel to be denied these right because you're not the same.
ianbibby1 3 years ago
fuck you mother fucker!!
do you know why I hate you even more? Because you try and be the good guy.
You're not. It's because of people like you that our world is full off ignorant, close-minded people that create violence and hatred.
ianbibby1 3 years ago
I agree with you completely. I am christian to and everyone deserves equal rights no matter who you are.
babycrystal246 3 years ago
HA HA HA HA HA! "Hate isn't a part of who Christians are". Oh, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.
Dinkba 3 years ago
I do understand that most voters voting yes on prop are christians and that they do work hard and have families. I'm not a christian, but I do have a family and work hard for a living.
Melodramatic much?
swayman1024 3 years ago
You make a good point. And I as a Christian am against homosexual marriage. And I have a right to be against it. And as a preacher in training I have a right to speak out against it. I hope that homosexuals get saved and change their ways. But if they do not want to then keep it to yourself and dont force it on everybody else.
RobLarson7 3 years ago
I don't really believe they're trying to force it on anyone. Most of the gays I know are under the belief that what they do in the bedroom is nobody's business but theirs. And they're right. As for them getting saved and changing their ways, well there are two points to make on that. 1) You're born gay. If science doesn't convince you, listening to their horror stories will. 2) What about religious gay people? They're just as devout as you are, but they're not saved because of one minor detail?
JayOleck 3 years ago
BTW; I must say that, even though I disagree with you, I do like how you seem to be above the needless name-calling that seems to befall people of religion on these types of boards. All this "fag" and "queer" stuff gets kind of tiresome. It's quite refreshing to hear someone who is able to rise above that. After all, what good does it do to talk of tolerance and love if you don't practice what you preach?
JayOleck 3 years ago
Oh well my brother is homosexual. And I call him a queer to his face. But thats brotherly love and all. He calls me a cultist. Whatever. Its when people call you a hate monger for having a standard and holding to a set a morals and right living. Its when they tell you its not their choice how they live their lives. When clearly it is. There is no scientific evidance to being born anything other than a boy or a girl. I told my brother once its your choice where you stick your penis. Its a choice.
RobLarson7 3 years ago
Actually, there's quite a lot of scientific evidence to prove that it is not a choice. The American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, American Pediatrics Association, not to mention geneticists and neurosurgeons have all agreed unanimously that a persons sexual orientation is determined before birth. The question of whether or not you're a hatemonger is not so black and white.
JayOleck 3 years ago
its a choice where he sticks it, but not where he WANTS to stick it. to use your crude terminology.
marshmallownoire 3 years ago 2
That makes no common sense. People say that you cant choose who you love. I dont believe that for one second. Love is a choice. And so is who(or what)you desire to play sex with. It is crud terminology. And yes I will use it. Because it is wrong. And it is a choice who I choose to love and choose to hate. I choose not to hate anybody. Its a choice no matter how you look at it.
RobLarson7 3 years ago
no, i disagree. every gay person i've ever met would say they didn't have a choice.
to be more specific, i agree that you can choose who to be with. but you can't choose who you WANT to be with can you? being with someone, and wanting to be with someone are two very seperate things. a gay man could marry a woman, but he wouldn't want her regardless of the fact that he's chosen to be with her.
marshmallownoire 3 years ago
Look, I don't blame you for not liking the word bigot. It's not a pleasant word. But what else are we supposed to think when you think it's okay to treat people like secondary citizens just because you don't like what they do in private? You may not think you hate gays, but what you say in this video clearly indicates otherwise. It's a classic example of closet-case bigotry.
JayOleck 3 years ago
Funny thing about the yes-on-8 crowd and the whole issue of "rights" (and by funny, I mean disturbing.) You seem to value the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...just not for gays. Oh, but that doesn't make you bigots. Noo, you just think that gay people shouldn't have the same rights that you do, because what they do goes against god/nature. Guess what? I don't like what you say. I find it vile and wrong. But I respect your right to say it. And that's the key word: respect.
JayOleck 3 years ago
I think at the core it is a question of whether you believe that who someone loves also determines the type of societal rights they are granted. I have had friends go through the rigamarole of establishing only a smattering of the rights which heterosexual couples are blessed to achieve through marriage. (I kid you not, the legal documents were over an inch thick). It would seem that as a whole, much of the reverence afforded marriage in the past, is not applied in the present.
Puptaylor2 3 years ago
but the separation of church and state is there for a reason. If your church and congregation does not believe in gay marriage, then they should not marry gay people. It is a private organization. I don't think that the slippery slope argument that if a church choses to practice that belief, that there is a danger of a gay couple suing to be able to marry in that church, holds much water.
Puptaylor2 3 years ago
This abuse towards self-hatred should not be accepted in a our society and if anything, it should be something which Christians should outright rally against. I do not think that the dichotomy exists as love and hate. I think it exists as love and fear. A lot of the rhetoric espoused on both ends of the "YouTube arguments" has to do with fear. Fear that a law will trample upon ones personal beliefs. I do think that some morality may be practiced in law-making
Puptaylor2 3 years ago
You are fortunate to have been born in a way that is socially accepted so you have never experienced the fear of realizing that you are gay, that you are different. As much as homosexuals can embrace their sexuality and their love of someone of the same gender, I would venture to say that the majority have internalized the hatred that comes from outside influences be it the media, (yes, the online forum comments), individuals, or laws.
puptaylor 3 years ago
The "separate but equal" argument did not work well in our past and I would hope in the future, we could move beyond these destructive constructs. Political affiliations do not fit into this realm. I can appreciate if you do not wish to be something you are not. I would infer by your video that you are probably not gay. You may be on some level able to empathize if you really try to understand what it is like to realize that you are gay but you can never sympathize.
puptaylor 3 years ago
It is disheartening to say the least but I would hope that people do not come to their socio-political beliefs based on what some uneducated fool posts on an online forum. I think that it does boil down to acceptance and that is where self-proclaimed Christians would benefit from truly questioning their heart and mind and reconciling how if you love someone; you would want them to be denied rights.
puptaylor 3 years ago
I appreciate that you seemed to be calm when explaining your position. I don't understand the "fringe element" aspect of your argument. There are extremes on both ends. Unfortunately, YouTube seems to attract individuals who are unable to express themselves with any form of eloquence or decorum. I've seen hate and ignorance played out by both sides.
puptaylor 3 years ago
Delusional much? ... I wonder ... =p
PeakOilCountdown 3 years ago
I only made it to about 4 minutes through your video. After that it was pointless because you were trying to convince me that 1. suddenly, miraculously, the entire world is Christian and 2. that gay and lesbian people and their supporters are some sort of scary "fringe element" that will attempt to teach us to stop discrimination - how horrifying. However that "fringe element" is over 45% of the vote so please stop making it seem like a terrorist organization or something.
mveritym 3 years ago 5
Oh, and I find it funny how you swayed people by making people who voted yes on prop 8 seem like jerks.
There were much smarter responses that you seemed to ignore because they'd make you look bad.
Bigot, bigot, bigot.
SplodinCupcake 3 years ago
The reason people want to teach kids that it's okay to be gay is because bigots like you will teach them that they need to grow up and cct a certain way in order to go to heaven.
Personaly, If I've got to fit into god's narrow min din order to go to heaven, I'd much rather go to hell thank you very much.
SplodinCupcake 3 years ago
Man, do I feel sorry for anyone who has to admit to being related to you.
buddyholly429 3 years ago
I think its HILARIOUS that this WHOLE video is all about you saying that a "fringe element" is just trying to "push its political agenda", but you are LITERALLY FORCING your "agenda" down the throat of anyone who watches this video by trying to SHOCK them with those quotes and spread UNTRUTHS about people by "sounding" like you know what you are talking about. However, I am sure that if you were ACTUALLY educated on the subject of homosexuality, you would feel very differently.
HollaceJ 3 years ago
I thank God for people like Kazwah1.
Angtoria 3 years ago 2
"We are hard working and mow our lawns" says it all. A man whose life experience goes no further than his front lawn. I am British and thank god (yes god!) live in the UK We have had centuries of seeing a wide world. We have civil partnership, it has brought a new vitality and stability to family society. Step off your front lawn, travel to another state, see the world, You live in so much fear and ignorance would you get on the plane? FEAR=PRECONCEPTION -THE DEFINITION OF PREJUDICE
Kazwah1 3 years ago 4
0:43...thats where i stopped. I will not listen to your PURE BULLSHIT! And you'll be eating these words in '09, its only a matter of time.
yaoiking16 3 years ago 3
Also, I am willing to bet that in addition to those hateful comments you received there were a few sincere ones that you chose not to share. The few death threats you received are heard daily by members of the gay community. It's not pleasant is it? As far as the rights of civil unions, there are 100 different allowances not conferred on civil unions that are allowed in marriages. So that being said, I do believe we should demand civil unions have the same state and federal rights as marriages
trax2u 3 years ago
I am deeply disappointed by your lack of christian tolerance. The fringe element you speak of consists of loving, caring, sympathetic, generous, devoted human beings. Sound familiar. Your concerns about the education of your children are not founded. Prior to speaking out about that you probably should have checked facts. CA education system does not allow curriculum not approved by board of ed. and you are most certainly entitled to voice your objections and remove your child from class.
trax2u 3 years ago
Thanks for ten minutes of lies.
ChannelCassie 3 years ago 2
As carlairving said, the Dem/GOP analogy flat out does not apply. We're all subject to the same laws, regardless of political affiliation. We ARE treated differently on the basis of sexual orientation. Separate but "equal" treatment never has and never will suffice. I also take issue with the way you described our pursuit for rights. Our community is simply fighting for equality, not attempting a takeover. It is the Christian right who is stripping rights from and invading the lives of citizens.
Veld1012 3 years ago
It is unfortunate that your opinion of gays advocating for their rights has been affected by these comments. But... have you looked at any gay-themed videos on youtube? It is amazing, the anti-gay hatred on this website. I can't count the amount of times I've seen "die faggots" or "gays will all burn in hell." Not to even mention the countless hate crimes committed in the world every day. The holders of those opinions are sadly more than a fringe group.
Veld1012 3 years ago
Sweetie. Honey. Cookie. The comments in the video may be a tad over-the-top, i'll give you that, but do you think the homophobes are any better towards us?
The slang, slander, and violence gays get from some of you folks would make sailors run away crying.
Google Matthew Shepard when you get a chance, will you?
TheInnerSanctuary 3 years ago
funny how he says he isn't a bigot against homosexuality, but gets soo offended by a comment saying that someone wish his kid to be gay... Well, not funny, but somehow ironic.
To me, it sounds like: "It's okay if those evil satan worshipers decided to be gay, but just if they keep their discusting persons out of my own life and my own neighbour. We are good religious people, we don't belong with that kind of crap..."
carlairving 3 years ago
Okay, I listened to the whole video and I think I got your point about civil union. Problem is that even if a civil union would be completely equal to marriage in CA, it would not be the equal as marriage in itself. For example, if a couple who got married has to move to another state (for work, medical reasons or else), their marriage would still be recognized by their new state of residence. What if a civil unionized couple has to move to a state where civil unions are recognized as in CA?
carlairving 3 years ago
Also, your analogy with republican and democrats dosen't work. Because republicans, democrats, libertarians, greens, apathetic, ... are all subject to the same law. Civil union couples and married couples, by definition, aren't.
carlairving 3 years ago
There will always be differences. The ability of most hetero couples to procreate is a difference. I am pro 8, but I would gladly support legislation for a national ruling that provides state to state acceptance of benefits, and makes Social Security benefits available as well.
antlion71 3 years ago
That's a stereotype. My best friend is openly gay but he always attends chruch and helps out there and believes in God. It's just like saying that all Christian's, Moromon's etc are all narrowed minded assholes that believe homosexual and blacks should be excuted, women should be worth nothing and slavery being A-OKAY.
Get your facts straight.
ShadowShuriken 3 years ago
wow, hate much?
g0thicicecream 3 years ago
Really? Your comment is filled with hate and intolorance. You're the true bigot! "Gays are the hate-spewing bigots! Queers better not come around my property with bad intent because I will exercise my 2nd Amendment right!" By calling gays "Queers" you have just proven my point douchebag!
Blazinhieghts 3 years ago 2
Prop 8=Hitler.
PaperComedy 3 years ago
Just stay quiet please.
justtind 3 years ago 3
I think you are right. Gays should have exactly the same rights as a married couple under a Civil Union. Christian churches and pastors should not be forced into performing a ceremony they don't agree with. I strongly believe that a couple....gay or straight...deserves the same rights. I just think that there is already a definition for marriage. It's between a man and a woman. I have gay friends, I am a Christian, and I am a Democrat.
saraceno34 3 years ago
You keep talking about Christian values and beliefs... If the gay marriage debate is one over the fundamentals of Christian beliefs and the foundation of marriage, then why are Muslims, Bhuddists, Jews, Catholics and Athiests allowed to marry without question? Marriage should not invoke religious debate, the right to marry is not exclusive to an ideology. Just because YOU don't believe in it doesn't mean it should be abolished.
stillManic 3 years ago
You knowwhat is funny tome..... Airead these comments, why is it you call him an idiot and accuse him of being a closet fag. Is this the only argument you can make. Look I am married to a person of the opposite sex. I have two kids and a am very happy. I am not going to let you change the meaning of what my wife and I have. Get your own word and come back. yes you deserve the same rights as a couple but get your own word. Make one up, it coul be fun like Garriage or somthing.
jdsimp10 3 years ago
You say you dont hate anyone but you obviously hate yourself. Look at how you've let yourself go.
juliajade 3 years ago
You are such a lying hypocrite.
What about the Christian fringe element? Hello Fred Phelps!!
So what of they do teach that being gay is okay?? Big deal? What are you scared your kids are gay? Are YOU gay?
Why do you care? You have YOUR own selfish agenda, and dont give a shit about the others.
Oh yeah the gays were the only ones being hateful, you lying sack of crap. "Christians" as you call them can be one of THE most hateful groups out there. So sit on it and spin you closet homo.
missmissy22556 3 years ago
In the history books 50 years from now, they will have a word for you people.
BIGOTS.
ohitsryan 3 years ago
Nathow, you can speak nicely, and act as though the christian populous does no wrong, but you should re-watch what you posted - swap what you refer to as the gay community (a "fringe element") with the Christian Right. The gay community is not asking for anymore rights than those that you are offered. They are not stepping on your rights, simply asking that you share them. And as a stubborn 2 year old you have stomped your feet and said "No! I'm better than you. This is mine."
Vantado 3 years ago
"You" shouldn't be giving the people who left the death threats more rights??? Did all gay people leave you death threats? By that logic gays should not be giving morons more rights & u represent all "straigts"?? so all straights are morons. Gays are not trying to change the constitution, u are. It is not true that civil unions provide the same rights, do your homework, you told many lies in this video. Why do you care who marries who? I think you have some unresolved sexuality issues.
michaeljfo 3 years ago
dude, great points, no on 8 people, have no idea what is going on, Most of them are stupid young people. (and by the way im 18 so im not some old fart) They don't realize how important judeo/christian values are to a society
mrloughran 3 years ago
The constitution is important to society, judeo christian values are your values. Anyone who would alter the constitution to take away rights from anyone is an asshole, ASSHOLE!
michaeljfo 3 years ago
how is it altering the constitution? Its not taking rights away from anybody, and i guess more than half of american's are assholes?
mrloughran 3 years ago
The declaration says that we have the right to follow any religion. To change the law based on one subdivision of a religions' holy word.
juliajade 3 years ago
children from harassment. Also, I don't think your separate but equal analogy is accurate. People can choose whether they wish to be a Democrat or a Republican (or neither), but people do not choose their sexuality. I'm not sure at all what point you are trying to make with this analogy either. Proponents of same-sex marriage are not against opposite-sex marriage.
CarnegieFelon 3 years ago
Sexuality is not a choice, and so I believe that children should be taught to accept those who are different. I don't think this can be done with any success unless children are taught that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. This may be against your religion, but the United States does not adhere to the teachings of any one religion. Teaching acceptance in schools would not prevent you from following your beliefs or teaching them to your children, but it would protect (continued)
CarnegieFelon 3 years ago
of denying rights to a group because you fear that some people may both gain and abuse power once this equality is granted. Also, I believe that it is importance to teach acceptance in schools. Though you argue that you are trying to protect children, it seems that you are only concerned with the protection of heterosexual children. Homosexual children are subjected to horrors as bad as, and often, far worse than, the messages you received from viewers of your videos. (continued)
CarnegieFelon 3 years ago
I am in no way defending the insults and threats which people have directed toward you, but I disagree with your argument. First of all, one of the central points of your argument seems to be that you believe there is nothing wrong with denying all members of a group equal rights on the basis that the group may contain extremists who try to gain additional privileges. I believe that it is unfair to group people in this way, and that it is more important to guarantee equality instead (continued)
CarnegieFelon 3 years ago
I understand your views and your desire to protect your family. But I would like for you, and others, to understand my views. I am a simple 20 year old woman who just so happens to be gay. I grew up in a Christian household and was taught that it's a sin to be gay. I grew up in a Christian neighborhood, whose children tormented me because I was different. If I could change my life so that I wasn't gay I would. But I can no longer deny my own happiness. These are my choices. (...continued)
MooCowling 3 years ago
But sir, my choices should not have to affect the lives of the people I love. They should not affect my future children, should I decide to have any, because their mother is gay. They should not affect my nieces and nephew because they have two aunts and no uncle. And I am afraid that it will. I am afraid my family will be physically harmed for protecting me and I would never wish that on them. You are trying to protect your family from me, and I am simply trying to protect mine from yours.
MooCowling 3 years ago
The real true and equal vote should be NO on Prop 8 because first of all if you read the entire statute at the end of it it says this has nothing to do with schools and I have never been taught anything on this. Also, what about the people who are gay. We should have equal rights!! I mean seriously if you were gay you would feel way differently. And also the governor of California and Barack Obama both say no on Prop 8! Wake up you Republican! Wake UP!
zorb350 3 years ago 2
You are a jerk! Why do you care? Are you gay or something? I think this fat boy has something to hide!
backtrack132 3 years ago
Fred Phelps really seems loving to me...you are the same with just a little more gentle message. If your marriage is on such shaky ground that what I do in my life affects yours that much, you should get a divorce.
lonelyboy03 3 years ago
contin.... I'm always surprised when Christians forget the "throw the first stone" analogy. What is going on here is not an attempt to take over any religious culture, but an attempt to fight for equal human rights. A separate but "equal" institution does not support equality. I am a straight person who sees not homo and hetero sexuality issues on the table here, but human issues, and I am not comfortable having a right to myself that everyone does not equally share.
gkpainter 3 years ago
Look, with all due respect to you and your beliefs sir, you are deeply wrong when you call the gay community "fringe". Every human deserves equal rights, not just those within the circle. I want you to look at your words here. You are very cautious, and patient in speaking, but you still compare those with homo sexuality to the war mongers and political abusers by calling them all fringe. That is not a perspective from a compassionate human, that is blinded judgment.
gkpainter 3 years ago
For all you " enlightened " people leaving hate filled texts. Please, tell me where in the constitution it says that anyone has the "right" to be married. The state of California has voted against this 3 times. It took a couple of liberal judges to overturn those votes, and now the people have overturned the judges decision. If the people in California had wanted it, then they would not have voted it down.
hdhobbs 3 years ago
"As Christian, hate just isn't part of who they are"
Ah yes, the Crusades were such a loving time...
seizurelater 3 years ago
all humans want and need love. gay or straight, we all want to love and the right to give that love to whom ever we wish in marriage or not.
and buddy, not all the people who have left you comments are gay. there are plenty of straight people out there ready to kick ass for equal rights for all.
i don't wish you any harm. i wish for you an awakening to the people of this changing world. history is happening right now and you are going to miss it. YES WE CAN!
logician30 3 years ago
you are spreading hate by posting this video. i am so sick of people like you hiding behind "GOD" and calling what you do a warning to the people of the earth. in the beings of your christian religion YOU were on the fringe and look how your agenda has risen your GOD to power. your religion has destroyed nations of people in the name of truth and GOD.
logician30 3 years ago 2
It is about marrying who they love.
These Christian freaks shouldn't be allowed to "vote" on who somebody else marries.
Why dedicate your life onto something that might or might not be real.
And yes there obviously is predujice if you voted YES. Love is Love , "god" can suck my cock.
stop believing in fairytales and come into the 21st century.
mikey6060 3 years ago 2
To be sitting here, watching you insulting gay people just makes me sick. And what's worse is that you're being polite about it, you're politely insulting some of what you call "brothers and sisters", excluding them from a right everybody should have, the right to LOVE. Gay people don't harm anyone, Why can't you see that? Gay people are NORMAL people just as much as straight people are. Now stop preaching, stop this adorably insulting speech. We don't deserve this.
Coinsquolina 3 years ago 2
Those chirstians are like the ones on the Silent Hill movie. They think they must 'save ppl from their so-called sin' and do 'Gods Will' but one day theyll realise how wrong they are. (but maybe not the part where the barbed wire rips into the womans lady parts LOL)
HeartsBlast 3 years ago 2
This man is clearly a closeted, self-loathing homosexual. He could easily replace the word "gay" with "black" and this could be a promotional video denouncing an entirely different "fringe element".
GirlTalkFilms 3 years ago 2
You want to talk about a group pushing their own agenda to gain political power?? Seriously?? I think it`s time that you took a look at how the christian religion is operating in the United States. Heaven forbid having children being taught about other religions or other ways of thinking that don`t go along with christianity. Ignorance breeding ignorance... that is sad. I hope Barak can find a way to lead you people in the humane direction
LiefAltyd 3 years ago
some day... maybe someday the u.s. will really separate organized religion and government.
phillijay 3 years ago
hopefully
daganboy 3 years ago
Wow... he's just full of bull shit! I think he needs to check his dictionary and look at what hate is and look at how his Christian bible defines different types of people. Christians don't hate??? I say "fuck you" to him.
animator84 3 years ago
The doctrine of Hell just screams "HATE!"
AdviserMoppet 3 years ago 2
wwjd....Well I have a good feeling that he would NOT have said what you had, nor would he even feel that way about this subject. You call yourself a christian , but I'm sorry to say sir, that you have lost your beliefs/rationale along the way. It's thanks to people like you that make "our" religion look bad, no wonder so many people loose their faith.
MaryJar20 3 years ago
Your loving father in heaven CREATED everyone equal. Created all of us the way we are...let that be gay or straight.
FelzWelz 3 years ago
By the way, your comments that you received, I bet I've received FAR worse than yours. I just don't choose to approve those.
billwenham 3 years ago
As a Christian you are making us all look bad.
sabakk 3 years ago
Your an idiot, christians need to stop being so arrogant as to think their way is the only way, noone is going to get sued KKK can speak about gays and blacks all they want remember, they are protected under the first amendment
please, your concerns are irrational
danny1011 3 years ago
By the way...civil unions usually do NOT offer all of the same benefits as marriage. People love to build them up as a great alternative to marriage but when it comes down to it they are not always equal.
Smartass8504 3 years ago
What are the differences then? (I'm a Canadian from Toronto, where gay marriage is allowed- I'm just wondering what those differences in rights are and wouldn't that be a nice stepping stone to start at- for gay and straight ppl)
obscureashell 3 years ago
This video is just ridiculous. The issue isn't about religion. It is about allowing ALL couples to marry and benefit from that marriage, regardless of their sexuality.
I love how you're showing the negative comments from opponents as if your "Christians" would NEVER use a negative comments themselves. It's extremely one-sided. And if you want to argue the value of marriage, your "Christians" have been demoralizing marriage for years with their extremely high divorce rates and such!
Smartass8504 3 years ago
Prop 8 appears to have passed. Now tolerance goes both ways in California. I appreciate all of you who voted and participated in democracy on this most important issue. I appreciate the kind and respectful tone and good people that are on either side of this issue. I'm glad when we can be tolerant of each other. And I'm thankful for freedom of speech, a fundamental human right.
sonamerica1790 3 years ago
>Now tolerance goes both ways in California.
Why do I get the impression that despite your civil words, you are still being an asshole? Why do we have to tolerate bigotry? Or religious morals pretending to be secular law?
snipermagoo 3 years ago
All I have to say is that you need to do your research. Your ignorant, and you really dont see the political battle do you?
-The christians are not hurt because of a law that was already turned.
-The schools will not be affected. The prop. says nothing about religion or children.
Also, I have messaged christian videos with kindness on here, and I get back filthy messages all the time.
Sir, youtube is a bunch of teenagers. So your point of veiw is irrelevant. Your ignorant, and intolerant.
azcolvin429 3 years ago 2
"they work hard, they love there family s, they mow their law on Saturday they go to church on Sunday"
Are you saying Gays don't do this? They don't love there family's? don't work hard? You say Christians don't hate but what about those ones that scream "Fag" or "Your going to burn in hell" or other fun letting phrases like that.
I couldn't watch the rest. Bigots make my tummy turn. blahhhhh
CaringIsCreepy16 3 years ago
Your opinion and your beliefs are exactly that.
Your opinion and your beliefs.
STAY OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT.
-- Bisexual American.
BellaDiabla 3 years ago 2
Whether or not you like it. . . . our country is not run by christianity.
Disagree all you want, you cannot determine other people's lives nor their natures.
Opinion should not determine justice.
If this is a free country, people who love each other should be able to marry.
What are we? Fascists?
You can preach your beliefs all you like. That is your right. It's the right of homosexuals to make their own decisions for their selves. LEGALLY.
BellaDiabla 3 years ago
Gay people hate religion. Period. Prove me wrong without hating (because I don't respect you haters and you're the scum of the earth) and I will welcome the change in opinion.
houhoutai 3 years ago
excuse me
do you know every gay person in the world? 'period'?
I am both Christian and gay and extremely passionate about my faith. I am certainly not the only one.
If you're going to generalise about gay people, then probably the most accurate generalisation you can make is that we HATE being stereotyped and lumped into catagories.
A person's sexuality does not dictate their perspective on religion. You really can't connect the two, 'period'.
RocketandBullet 3 years ago
I happen to be a christian, and also gay , your argument is invalid i do not hate religion, religion is the solid rock that has kept my life together through out the years. Some "christians" jesus broke bread whith what some may call sinners, follow his example there is hate and anger in your statement, he that loveth not knoweth not god for god is love,
danny1011 3 years ago
Nice try. There are NOT EVEN CLOSE to as many gays as Christians buddy. America's a DEMOCRACY. By definition, MAJORITY RULES. Period. People are born with race AND sex, not an optional sex. Christians don't hate. It's true. Gays are angry and intolerant at beliefs Christians have had for thousands of years. "People who are giving death threats...we should be taking their rights and locking them away." He's right.
houhoutai 3 years ago
>America's a DEMOCRACY. By definition, MAJORITY RULES. Period.
You ignorant idiot. I have heard this bullshit SO many times over the course of this debate and it is not true. The Founding Fathers warrned against this HUNDREDS of times, but hey, why listen to them?
What you describe is a poliarchy. Look it up, compare it to constitutional democracy, and realise how utterly uninformed you are. Now consider that maybe it's not the only thing that you are uninformed about.
snipermagoo 3 years ago
"there is always a fringe element that wants to continue to push to gain political objectives and don't seem to really care whose rights they trample on, who they hurt and what they leave in their wake"
I totally agree! Thanks for supporting our fight to protect our right to marry from being trampled. For keeping our families safe from harm and from the hurt of being unacknowledged. For not leaving torn hearts, families, spirits and freedoms in your wake. For taking care to vote NO on Prop 8!
CatoStevens 3 years ago
This is a ridiculous argument. "How long will it be..." Religion has co-existed with other religions. Nothing has changed any of those religions from preaching what they believe. Its just like blacks, asians, latinos, ect., have co-existed this whole time. And kids aren't required to learn anything in schools of California about marriage. That's why when we were in school we had to take home papers and get them signed by our parents. BTW people leave bad comments. Straight people do it too.
OhhhMyTrent 3 years ago
bull fucking shit what about the crusades christians are responsible for all of that and ofcourse your going to get hate mail you are comming on here saying our life style is wrong. in my opinion you are no better that the assholes that killed matthew shepard or is you mind so clouded with discontent about something you know nothing about you cant see that denying marrige to us is treating us like animals.
Fathersreject 3 years ago
Shame on you. Writing Christianity into the constitution undermines the religious freedom other religions, a cause for which your people fight. My parents are straight. They are divorced. My neighbors are straight and married without kids. My boss is married and a lesbian. Are all of these people part of a "fringe" because they don't fit into your narrow minded view of a union between two loving partners.
Tulsinator 3 years ago
Man, what an alarmist with absolutely no handle on the facts.
You must be one of those fringe loonies that wants to trample of the rights of others, no matter who they are, to further your political agenda. That's exactly what you're doing. Hypocrite.
BochsOfficePoison 3 years ago
Based on your rationale, I do believe if this were 1948 you would be citing similar "problems" that our society would have with permitting interracial marriage. Please do not try to deny it because members of the Christian religion used to use scripture to support their claims on that issue as well.
colins451 3 years ago
Just because kids will be taught about same sex marriage doesn't mean they will magically turn homosexual. School's aren't REQUIRED to teach anything other than what's required to move to the next level of education. It doesn't matter what your opinion is on marriage. Voting NO means that you agree that everyone should be allowed their fundamental rights, rights that are taught to children. Do you want your child coming home asking why certain people are denied these rights?
animay88 3 years ago
And of course, according to you, gays don't mow thier lawns, work hard or go to church...interesting. I would like to know if you or your friends would still mow your lawns, work hard or go to church on Sunday if two men or two women were to marry each other? Exactly HOW is it going to impact your life as an individual? It won't and don't say it will. But, if you vote "Yes" on 8, IT WILL IMPACT other's loves. But, that's okay as long as you get your way, right?
SoberLibra 3 years ago
I was illustrating that YES voters are not motivated by hate or intolerance, but are reasonable citizens. I was trying to express that one group gaining rights at the expense of the rights of a different group is wrong. Redefining marriage will impact all of society, and for most of us, not in a good way. I have the right to express my opinion in a public forum. The question is, why are you so angry? Would you shut me up if you could? Would you want my right to free speech taken away?
nathow 3 years ago
look i understand that you too are upset with those nasty comments, but what you said at the end of your vid was not fair. you made a massive assumption that all gays, that all people against prop 8 are as you stated in your vid. thats not true. prop 8 amends the California constitution with a mere 14 words, if you really take the time to read those words, you might find they are unfair. if you are trying to swim some voters, do it by providing facts, and putting aside personal beliefs. No On 8
ohineedher 3 years ago
**a correction on my typo, so that you dont think im stupid, "..if you are trying to SWING some voters.." No On 8.
ohineedher 3 years ago
The struggle to support Prop 8 is about religion and our schools... if 8 is defeated, then California law would have to be implemented... which would mean preaching that heterosexual marriage is what marriage should be could be considered discriminatory by the fringe element I spoke of... and disputes over gay couples wanting to be married in a Church instead of City Hall will land in our courts... and yes, the law states the legal definition of marriage is to be part of the school curriculum.
nathow 3 years ago
You still didn't answer my question as to how exactly gay marriage will impact your life as as individual. I'm assuming you will still put gas in your car, go to work, but groceries, watch TV, play on your computer, go to church, wear the same clothes, eat at the same restaurants, hang out with the same friends. So, tell me, how will it change your life?
SoberLibra 3 years ago
In all my videos and on this subject, I tried to explain the possible negative ramifications to society in general if 8 is defeated. I don't want morals I disagree with taught to my children without giving me advance notice so I can opt out. And yes, that has already happened in Hayward, California. I don't want to see my Church have to defend itself in court because preaching that heterosexual marriage is the way it is supposed to be, is considered discriminatory. Watch my other videos.
nathow 3 years ago
Be careful mentioning Hayward, CA, I live two towns over and wil argue this with you.
SoberLibra 3 years ago
Isn't it true that the Faith Ringgold Elementary School in Hayward, California held a "Coming Out Day" on October 23rd...? Isn't it true a "TransAction Gender-Bender Read-Aloud" will take place Nov. 20th...? Isn't it also true parents were given no warning and only found out after the fact...? Isn't it true these events were intended for kindergardeners as well...? Do you deny facts...?
nathow 3 years ago
It seems as though I have now been limited to 500 characters on my responses. Instead of responding to me through email, I would appreciate you responding here, as I am doing.
I ask me why I am so angry or if I would "shut you up if given the chance". Stop being childish. I am not gay, but have many friends and family who are. You, seem to have a terrible time with this whole thing. I'm sorry if you feel discrimination is acceptable, I don't have the saame views as you or yor church.
SoberLibra 3 years ago
You can say you don't hate anyone, but if that were really true, you wouldn't condemn someone for who they are and for trying to live a happy life. You talk about trampling rights, but you seek to take away the right to marry the person these people want to spend their lives with. Prop 8 has nothing to do with the churches, who by the way were ALREADY performing ceremonies before the marriages were legal, nor does it have to do with the schools. My husband of 19 yrs. and I are voting NO!
MissNovemberTuesday 3 years ago
I am condemning no one... and I certainly hope everyone finds true happiness in their lives. When I spoke about peoples rights, I was trying to express that one group gaining rights at the expense of the rights of a different group is wrong. And I think you are naive if you think Prop 8 has nothing to do with Churches. Same sex marriage has already had a huge effect on Catholicism in Boston, and in Alberta, Canada and in New Jersey. And the legal definition of marriage is taught in schools.
nathow 3 years ago
NO on Prop 8.!
jesehcuh 3 years ago
Jesus Christ says vote NO on prop H8. Gays are genetically that way. It is not a choice. Christ would not prohibit gay marriage any more than he would prohibit eating shellfish nor the wearing of two types of cloth.
Equal rights for all. I'm straight and I know no gay people, but know this discriminatory position should NOT be written into the Constitution any more than banning interracial marriage should be in the Constitution.
Vote NO on prop 8!!!
sunbro37e6 3 years ago
And how is it you speak for Jesus Christ...? How about reading 1st Corinthians 6:9 in the New Testament...
nathow 3 years ago
I was born into the Christian church, my mother's father was a pastor, my mother is a bible scholar, and the organized religion you follow is a fake Christianity. Christ himself would be angry to discover what a mockery people like you have made of his "love your enemies" lessons. Your "church" friends are the ones that brought us into a war in Iraq based on lies.
sunbro37e6 3 years ago
Your friends are the ones that DO NOT take in the tax collector and the prostitute and the underdogs of society. You look down your nose at gays and treat them as second class citizens. Repent, you sinner...and REALLY love your fellow human beings! You have a lot of nerve to post this crap. Take this hateful video down and start to love all human beings as Christ himself did.
sunbro37e6 3 years ago
My parents were both straight, my older brother is straight, my older sister? straight, my friends at school - straight, my neighborgs - straight, my teachers? straight, I grew up around were all straight yet Im gay, I GREW UP with these people and they didn't change me so how is gay people getting married going to affect YOUR children? it won't change anything, if anything it would make your son a more tolerable, loving, accepting individual. Stop this nonesense.
checharrua 3 years ago 3
Just because they're christians who mow their lawns on saturday doesn't mean they're good people, STOP excusing everything with "we're christians", that doesn't make you a good person, Ed gain, arguably the most famous serial killer in history, was a christian. Im not saying christians are serial killers but to say that they're "good people" just because of their beliefs it's STUPID, there are good and bad people from every religion, race and sex.
Proposition 8 is hate, plain and simple.
checharrua 3 years ago 3
Thats cool if thats what you believe. I personally will be voting NO because I believe everyone should be treated equal and have the right to be happy. I will leave it up to god to judge at the end because I dont have that right. I am also Straight happily married and I have a 15 month old daughter.
Also I do not dislike you for your ideas even though we have are differences you seem like a cool guy and I know your just looking out for you and your family.
I hope we all find a happy ending..
ampitupmedia 3 years ago 2
"they mow their lawns on Saturday"?
LAUGHING OUT LOUD!
dscoles 3 years ago
There is a reason that the constitution of the united states has a separation of church and state. I am a strong christian but that has no place in politics. Religion should not decide what goes into a constitution.
erinlauch 3 years ago 2
I am concerned about the future as well. Both sides have spent millions on this Prop.
Fact: 73 million dollars total have been spent on both sides.
Meanwhile breast cancer, alzheimer disease, aids, autisms, homelessness, lung cancer ( to name a few) plague our State. Music programs are few and far between. School shooting continues to happen.
Who would have guessed that 14 words amended to our state constitution would be more important than any of the above.
gdwatcher 3 years ago 4
Mowing the lawn on Saturday makes it right to change the constitution to discriminate? You so-called Christians are the ones who want to trample on rights here.
When people go into Churches and tell preachers what to say, we won't need a proposition, because we already have the 1st amendment.
But if you needed one to prevent people from telling you what to do in your church, I'd be for it.
Return the favor and prevent people from telling me what to do in my personal life. Vote No.
theknightswhosay 3 years ago 3
This is another wonderful example of people who just parrot what they hear in the yes on 8 commercials. I love how you create this "fringe group" that is out to get you and your kids, then point at it and say "this is why we need to vote yes on 8. the fact is none of the things you say will happen are going to happen, they said EXACTLY the same things about the racial purity laws of the 1960. NO ON 8 you will not be supporting any kind of 'fringe group' the sky will not fall!!
dsmith951 3 years ago 2
So it's not about hate, but yet you conflate everyone that wants a no vote on it as being of the same ilk as some people who sent you death threats, and they want to take your rights away. Paranoid much?
And undecided people should listen to you, why?
Join the 21st century. Get used to gay people, they really don't bite, and they won't hurt your children, your schools, or your churches. Really.
42662113 3 years ago 4
Religion shouldn't have anything to do with politics. Love is love and people don't seem to understand that. We've been through this with women of this country and African Americans in this country and whether you like it or not, we will keep fighting for our rights. I'm curious to know what is so 'sacred' about marriage between a man and women when the divorce rate in this country is at 50%. Nothing. Let those marry who will really appreciate what it means to be married. Vote NO on 8.
tigerlillyrawr3 3 years ago 2
I hate how children are using their children as an excuse. Do you honestly think that your children aren't going to find out about homosexuality? Whether gay marriage stays legal or not, what are you going to tell your children when they see two men holding hands or two women kissing? The exact same fucking thing. To vote yes on 8 would be taking the rights away from fellow Americans.
tigerlillyrawr3 3 years ago
Its been the same people for many, many years, that tried to keep slavery, taken rights away from african americans, taken rights away from woman, and so on.
video95926 3 years ago
As for the comments left to you, gay people face hatred and derogatory comments like that on a daily basis.
video95926 3 years ago
Thats so funny!! Because you are the fringe element. You are the ones pushing your beliefs onto other people. We just want equal rights, which we as citizens are promised in the constitution. As for the word "tradition" my families traditions are different than yours. So stop using the word tradition, because it means different to everyone.
video95926 3 years ago
They have no issue hurting MILLIONS of Americans with this vote, trust me payback is a bitch. Your hatefilled group of people have messed with the wrong group. If you want to define marriage, then let's start defining words. We will vote to define mormons as a terrorist group and demand the government step in to take care of them as we would expect them to any group that was a threat to America. Taking just ONE right from any American, takes them from all of us. Remember this when you vote.
bram981 3 years ago
I had some new bumper sticker made up, I put it on the back of the Mercedes, tomorrow I can going to put them on my other cars, my wife wants one on her's too. We've got to let the world know. It says.... Mormons = Terrorism then below it says.... google it! The world needs to know the truth behind this evil hatefilled group of people. Heck, their own founder was arrested on FRAUD charges and pleaded GUILTY and served time in JAIL. The truth will be told We should vote to lable them!!!
bram981 3 years ago
The % was based purely on, those married within a church with a priest or minister. We are talking about people that stood upon the alter, professed their undying love in front of God, family & friends. The actual divorce rate was quoted 58%, but out of that, 93% of those were professing. Is that really that hard of a stretch? If we're serious about saving marriage? Maybe we can look to the bible. Oh yeah, we would probably stone them to death. Nevermind.
bram981 3 years ago
Gay and lesbian couple have FAMILIES TOO.
YrSoObvious 3 years ago
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their right whether or not prop. 8 passes.
3. You claim that distinguishing between dems. and reps. is the same as distinguishing between marriage for opposite-sex and civil unions for same-sex couples. This is not the case. D's and R's have exactly the same status, which would not be the case for same-sex couples denied the opportunity to marry. "Separate but equal" may work in theory, but in practice, it led to second-class status for blacks, as it would for same-sex couples.
CSmitty333 3 years ago
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2. You make the slippery slope argument: "if we pass this, it might lead to all sorts of terrible things." In this case, though, that's not true. There is a clear distinction between legalizing marriage and making it a crime for preachers to claim that homosexuality is sinful. A (legalizing gay marriage) does not lead to B (criminalizing preaching against gay marriage). If you don't like B, then argue against B. As for the possibility of some preachers saying gay marriage is okay, that's
CSmitty333 3 years ago
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This argument could be applied to almost any group, to discourage supporting almost any position. It's not uncommon for Christians to send very hateful email to professed atheists, telling them to burn in hell, and including death threats. By your reasoning, that means we should oppose any position Christians support. But those hate messages aren't representative of all Christians any more the comments you cite are representative of those who support gay marriage.
CSmitty333 3 years ago
I agree with you. It is wrong of Christians to send hate. Period. But those are not the true acting Body of Christ. It is for Love that He came, and for Love that did not repay evil with evil, but with His own Life. We must honor him, and we must therefore vote for the things we know His sacred heart support. Please vote Yes on this issue. God Bless You!
JohnWrot 3 years ago
1. You argue that people should vote yes on 8 because some people who support it have threatened you, and are dangerous. Basically this amounts to saying, "group A is dangerous, therefore you should not support