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  • Too stupid for science? Try religion

  • You either believe the whole bible, or you dont believe it at all, If you believe in jesus, you must also believe Moseus split the sea open, and that god killed the entire world for its sins (even though he made them already knowing what they would become...). Believing just parts of the bible that you like and leaving off the othrs its just hypocritical at least, but i guess denial is bliss.

  • Hah funny how materialists want ot explain the belief in god as a product of the brain. hahahhah all dawkins relaly knows about is evolution and darwinism so when your only tool is a hammer - everything is a nail.

  • Man, some people have unfortunate names, but "Gert Scobel" is about as bad as it usually gets.

  • family federation is the best religion there is,evrything is logical and explained

  • @majorl31: Welcome to war christians..... You will soon realize, that you never stood a chance... Religions will fall, as the ridiculous believe in fictional deities will.

    It's just a matter of time. "You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time"

  • @liquidminds Yea you can't fool death either,Oh death where is thy sting ?

  • @majorl31 ha ha

  • There is a difference between hating an idea and hating a person. I hate fundamentalism, but not any specific fundamentalists.

  • @Ramshobraja I hate some specific fundamentalists but thats just me, I'ma hater

  • he dislikes religion because its foolish.

    he dislikes foolish things because humans are much more capable of understanding un-foolish things, but we stay contempt with foolish things.

  • Would you say that about Galileo Galilee who overturned centuries of religious dogma by simply revealing the truth through his telescope? Does anyone today still deny what Galileo revealed? No. Dawkins is simply a truth-seeker, like Galileo. A seeker of SCIENTIFIC truth. And like Galileo, Dawkins has hateful critics. The only difference is, Dawkins isn't (yet!) facing house arrest!

  • Dawkins DOES have an open mind. He simply seeks evidence for belief. If there is no evidence, then it is not open minded to believe, it is fantasy.

    It is not hateful to question religion, no more than it is to question any other ideology.

    What a strange thing to say.

    Peace

  • house arrest?

  • we have a world of hate, i dont think religion and hate go to gether its human understanding and the twisting of ideas for use of power

  • quran specifically says to hate the jews. so yes religion does so generate hate

  • Mr. Dawkins is not hatefull nor demeaning. He is simply pointing out how unreasonable a religious faith is in our world today.

    Religion teaches intollerance and narrow mindednes instead of free thinking.

  • Richard Dawkins should watch this!

    watch?v=BKmdIdQg3Ks

    :D

  • Yes instead of biblical refernces im sure we get plenty of logical fallacies instead.

  • Dawkins is almost cute if you will. He's like a child in front of an adult audience. So smug and at the same time cheerful to be getting recognition from a (clearly biased) brown noser. He even laughs at his own corney joke. Anyone who honestly desires to know "the truth" should juxtapose Dawkins' works with that of Dr. Scott Hahn, especially his newest book "answering the new atheism" Unshakably argumentative with NO BIBLICAL REFERENCES.

  • Calling Scott Hahn a doctor is an insult to doctors.A doctorate in theology and philosophy from Grove city college doesn't impress me.

  • As I'm sure you also would not be impressed by his multiple best selling books, or the fact that he is the most sought after lecturer at the most prestigious Catholic seminary college in the country. Obviously you have not done much research before posting.

  • You're right that also doesn't impress me

  • The interviewer has a very girly voice.

  • Suicide terrorism is a result of either great sadness (losing your loved ones to war/bombing/occupation - usually by a foreign state) or sheer religious faith. Usually a mix of the two, but not always.

    History has shown me that the root of all (potentially preventable) evil is Statism and Religion. The majority of people need to break their urge to obey (illegitimate) authority. My hope is that some day humanity will live by atheist and anarchist principles.

  • I wholeheartedly agree with you. You might wanna join The Reason Project, who seek to promote scientific knowledge and eliminate religious child indoctrination across the world.

  • Thanks, mate. I'll look into it.

  • Actually what you mean is ..promoting Satanism across the world ..

  • In terms of religion I can agree to you but what do think is right on anarchist principles?

  • Please children, don't fight, i am god, in disguise, for faith goes beyond facts, i will not prove, please send me some money to show your piety, yours, god.

  • Why?

  • And you are the perfect poster idiot for all theist are fascists.

    If Dawkins would be gay, he wouldn't have any problem to deal with it. But that is something you will never be able to understand, because you are the prisoner of your archaic mind.

  • Science explains why I am alive.

    Philosophy reasons why I exist (if at all).

    Religion guides how I should live.

    Atheism is a positive statement on a religious supposition; it posits that gods do not exist. That begs the definition of a god, which is a matter of degree. Self-proclaimed atheists should first qualify what they consider god. Rejection of the Christian God is the merely the rejection of that particular faith and not a position denying the existence of gods.

  • I'm an Atheist. As I see it I don't believe in anything. I either know something or I don't.

    Just like Christians or Jews or Muslims don't believe in UFO's or Goblins or Unicorns! Maybe some do?

    The only difference is there is no word for people who don't believe in Unicorns or Goblins or UFOs! You either know something or you dont.

    Me not believing in any kind of God is no different to people who dont believe in Goblins! Only difference is there is a word for not believing in God!

  • The only difference is there is no word for "people who don't believe in Unicorns or Goblins or UFOs! You either know something or you dont." I get your point. However, there is much good evidence for UFO's. There is NO good evidence for God (at least the God(s) of religion).Also, for anybody reading this that is going to give me a 'thumbs down', well make sure that you have looked into the UFO debate BEFORE you pass judgement. If you don't, you're no better than a religious person.

  • "there is much good evidence for UFO's."

    I don't know about evidence, but there's simply a much higher chance that there is life on other planets (most probably much more developed or much less developed than we are) than that there is ONE omniscient deity, who created the Earth in 6 days and on the sevens 6000 years ago and spoke fluent Hebrew.

  • Being an Atheist means one doesn´t believe in any supernatural god.

  • "Religion guides how I should live."

    Not true. Your moral principals do. My parents thought me to be friendly to others, help those in need of helping and offering my seat to the elder in public transport. I don't have to believe in any sort of supernatural beings to be this way.

  • @Yupiyeahs

    That's because your parents were guided by christian values and through them, you are. It doesn't matter if you believe in god or not: good people live by his rules and bad people (like muslims) don't.

  • @sooperfukker These are not -his- rules, but those of every kind individual. The fact that the rules in your religion coincide with those universal values doesn't make them exclusive to God only. There is a plethora of Muslims that are kind and a plethora of Christians acting like utter jerks. Meaning? That there are exceptionally bad Christians and exceptionally good Muslims? Or perhaps simply the fact that there's an equal number of nice people and idiots on both ends, regardless of belief?

  • @Yupiyeahs

    You're pushing yourself into the very same traphole countless others have fallen into:

    You think that all Christians/Muslims/etc.. invariably represent the principles of their religion, while everything around us tells a different story.

    Placing a badge on your sleeve doesn't automatically make you a true follower. Sad for Christians, good for Muslims! Or I should say ... for the people around them.

    [cont]

  • @sooperfukker

    I'm not religious but I do fancy the idea of a set of untouchable values.

    Whenever core values are are becoming the object of a political, societal or religious discourse, whenever someone claims to have the power to make decisions over these values, NOTHING good will come out of it.

    I prefer Christian values over atheistic randomness because they do carry the experience of 2000 years in them, all ups and downs. You lament their resistance to Zeitgeist, I'm thankful for it.

  • @sooperfukker

    Just in case you wonder why I refer to god, although I am not religious:

    I don't have a problem to accept the principle of "god" ... for some people it's a divine entity, for people like me it is the spiritual embodiment within people who long for the better ... I don't give a dingdong about what people think what it is, as long as they stick to it.

  • @sooperfukker I wouldn't exactly call that God though. To me, as I've said before, it just sounds like good people being good people and bad people being bad people. As for:

    "I'm not religious but I do fancy the idea of a set of untouchable values."

    Yeah, Hard Gay kinda gave that one away. :P

  • @Yupiyeahs

    I think that one fact shows that it's not that easy:

    The fact that people drop their own (evil) intentions, persuaded or even convinced otherwise when being reminded of these "superior" rules.

    And don't drag HG into that, he is too pure for this discussion ^^

  • @sooperfukker wow, such ignorance. all religions function through---child abuse through indoctrination, brainwashing, and power hungry zealots. Im sure you hate this word. but through evolution we have developed intellect just as we have developed humanity and morals. we dont need to pretend there is a babysitter or sky daddy watching over us so we better behave.

    What do you say about the "good" people, Christians, who blow up abortion clinics?

  • @MrKGatl

    Obviously, not all religions teach the same or work in the same ways, obviously "indoctrination" or "brainwashing" are malevolent terms invented by outside elements who try to sell exceptions as the rule, obviously noone believes in a "bearded man in the sky" and most obviously the world is not dividable by atheist intellectuals and dumb religious people.

    If you think your errant talks are relevant, you're the fool. You're nothing, you don't even exist.

  • @sooperfukker Cogito Ergo Sum. I live in the American south(bible belt) and i assure you some of them think it's a bearded man in the sky. You didnt answer me about good christians who blow up abortion clinics, and yes i know this its a small group in a huge population. Why would you bash my "errant talks" i was replying to yours. The bible is part of brainwashing and child abuse. Its not ok to tell a 5 year old if they dont think like you, they will be tossed into fire forever, thats evil

  • @MrKGatl

    Again: Your malevolent views result from gross misrepresentations OR lack of knowledge.

    That's why they're all invalid, undiscussable.

    Christians follow the teachings of guess whom - Jesus Christ. These teachings do not include or insinuate killing people because they think differently (major difference to Islam) and proclaim no image of a bearded man in the sky or other absurdities, so no: Despite any claims these nutjobs make, there is nothing christian about their wrongful views.

  • @sooperfukker The bible has many passages in it where it says that it is ok, or gives the command to kill and enslave people. and christians do believe in the bible.

  • I want to try and fix this arrangement.

    Religion - was human's earliest form of making predictions and understanding the world. which led to:

    Philosophy - was human's later invention, to help make more sense of the goings on in the world. The development of reasons, Logic and rationality. Which led to:

    Science - our most recent development in the history of mankind. A methodology to remove bias, superstition and corruption. Seemingly our best system yet.

  • Science is a relatively new invention, and in it's early stages, humans seemingly still must rely on it's cousin the Philosopher. Perhaps as science improves, mainly in the fields of genetics and neurosciences, we shall learn more about humans then philosophy could ever determine through mere thought. You are right in saying 'religion guides how I should live', but it does this for control, and how it guides is not necessarily how you should be living.

  • Religion is ethics and ethics is religion since science and philosophy cannot possibly help us thinking about morality?

    The relationship is injective?

    So there are only normative statements regarding our relationships with metaphysical entities like things outside the cosmos who do not interact with the cosmos?

    No, ethics is the question how to deal with other complex entities, like living organisms and artificial intelligences.

  • ah, behold the delightful and enlightenned philosophy of the christian

  • he looks gay - he must be wrong... what an evidence...

    im an atheists and hetero - an evolutional stepp... wow evolution is real...

    get a life...

  • As Europe declines as a Christian culture they are getting swallowed up by immigrant cultures with their religion. The best defense against bad religion is to encourage good religion. Dawkins is taking the suicidal path unfortunately. The result of this is the growth of an alcoholic society like what happened in the USSR. The so called Christian America has far less alcoholics. Atheism hasnt provided a better society but a group of lily livered wimps who will abort themselves out of existence.

  • ur a crazy dickhead

  • warriorprince1010 - Atheism has been refuted?

    Can you explain what you mean by that?

  • On August 14, at 9 PM, Israeli television station, Channel Ten, broke all convention and exposed the ugliest secret of Israel's Labor Zionist founders; the deliberate mass radiation poisoning of nearly all Sephardi youths.

    The expose began with the presentation of a documentary film called, 100,000 Radiations, and concluded with a panel discussion moderated by TV host Dan Margalit, surprising because he is infamous for toeing the establishment line.

    A NASTY GOD! INDEED! CAVEAT!

  • Did he say, "The myth of America?" referring to the Holocaust? I might have misunderstood but did he imply the Holocaust never happened?

  • He's not talking about the holocaust - he said "The Jewish exodus to Jerusalem."

  • I still don't think I quite understand.Why does he refer to it as "The myth of America?"

  • I think it's because America is primarily a Christian country.

  • I like this German guy, very smart!

    Can you imagine the brainless dolts at fox and friends trying to interview Dawkins LOL!

  • They did! Checkout Bill O'Reilly 'debating' Dawkins here on Youtube - it's hilarious.

  • Bill O'Reilly interviewed him and... the result is as you imagine it to be.

  • you're here because your parents had sex in1979.

  • no the interactions between species and the environment has evolved over billions of years. your god is a god of the gaps because everytime something cant be easily explained you say "well since noone knows - my specific god did it" the concept of a god exising is undermined by the fact that thousands have been invented and none have been proven. aten has just as much claim 2 being the creator of the universe as allah or yahweh

  • yeah and that something was allah, yahweh, baal, zeus, thor, aten, osiris, amun, ra, ETC ETC. mate have you ever studied evolution? its a whole lot more plausible than a magic man making everything. think about it - if a god made this "unique balance" then he would have to be even more complex than his creation. so... if he's more complex dont you think that makes him even more unlikely to have come into being?

  • do you know why noone can make me believe? because i dont have faith. how unreasonable does that sound? well if you look at the difinition of the word: belief in something that someone told you without evidence, it isnt too compelling. the universe is not black and white that just oversimplifies the matter - there is no "truth". then again i could be wrong, and im screwed when god, allah, amun, zeus, apollo, thor, jesus, baal multiply by a couple of thousand all judge me

  • DDFF232, this is an incredibly bad arguement. You are simply confusing cause and effect.

    We evolved in an enviroment that had these particular resources, air, water, plants, animals, nutrients etc.. so we use and need them and improve them precisely because they were the resources that were always there. Just as anerobic bacteria need enviroments with limited free oxygen and thermophylic ones can survive in hot springs at hundreds of degrees: because they evolved there.

  • Religious peeps who argue the whole "This stuff was put here by him so we could survive" always seem to fail to mention all of the poisonous plants/fish/chemicals/whatever else is in the environment that will QUICKLY kill us if we ingest it. Did God put those there as a goof to say "Haha, gotcha!" as you keel over writhing in tormenting pain as you die?

    I wonder why they leave that stuff out of their arguements. *shrug* The all-knowing God seems to know less and less the more I learn about him.

  • relic1076,

    Yep, that kind of religious reasoning always struck me as absurd. Like claiming an inteligent designer who designed teeth that commonly rot and abcess in less than a third of our potential lifespan (about the most common cause of death in pre-technological societies - after violence and starvation).

  • God's always been a stinker. Remember Isaac? Oh, good times.

  • Hey i agree with you. But one thing that obscure to me is that fact that i'm alive. I'll give evolution credit for stating they we evoled from a common ancestor. There tons of proof to support that. However, that still dosn;t explain why i posses my body or why was i born in 1979. Now i'm not saying a higher power put me in this flesh but its just someting that makes me think. could science explain this?

  • one of the great mysteries of the universe...

    i think if there is a god, then it is drastically different to any of the gods that humanity has invented.

    id go for more of a diest god who never interferes

  • Your body is evolved, as is your brain. Your mind exists inside your material body (i.e. your brain). That's pretty much all there is to it. One day you will die and your mind/brain will stop working. Sad but true.

  • DDFF232  i've seen god in your argument ....no wait, what your describing IS evolution

  • You have no idea what you're up against. I'm not trying to intimidate you, you just really don't know the first thing about the scientific theories against which you're trying to argue. Evolution is the non-random selection of random variations, not in any way "chance".

  • Not a compelling argument, DDFF232. Once you understand the simple mechanisms of evolution - reproduction, variation and selection - you have no choice but to see the logic in it.

  • Everything does NOT have ID. A needle and a universe are two completely different things. It's like comparing a photon of light to a key on my keyboard. Or gravity to my cell phone. some things come into existance because the laws of physics allow them, and some things come because WE create them, such as the "Holy books". We wrote them because we didn't have a better explination, but we really wanted to control people and sound like whe know where we came from, though at the time we didn't

  • i couldn`t thumbs up that enough.

  • your arguement is defeated by the fact that since "Everything has intelligent design" WHY DOESNT GOD REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DESIGN???? ITS CIRCULAR LOGIC

  • None of these theories can deny the fact that micro systems are arranged, fixed, portion, measured, determined, limited, scynorised and given distinct catarastics and parameters that they can't go beyond or exceed.

  • DDFF232- People many many years ago could easily imagine a life without say Metal, because they didnt have any. And you forget that Steel is a manmade metal, produced by us using natural materials. You still have not answered why it is a coincidence. Why does everything have to be "WHO" "PUT" us here? What if I was to say NO-ONE, what would you argument be? Why does that not seem possible to you.

  • DDFF232- how is it a coincidence that us and everything we need has to come out of the ground? Why is that a coincidence? Explain yourself please!

  • Sorry about the late reply what i meant was why has everything we need,use,eat has come from the ground are you telling me the big bang put it there or did something else put it there. imagine a life without any one thing (metal)

  • Yes DDFF232, Richard Dawkins was once a drop of semen, but he has evolved after that. And he has evolved into the clever man that he is today. He sets an example for all of us, doesn't he? Even those who are not so clever.

  • I clever man should know everything in the universe and in this world can`t have come from nothing. Aint it a concidence everything a human needs has come out of the ground! Dont you see the universe and how perfect and in complete order it is just think about it!

  • I blow raspberries at your simplistic rhetoric. Think about that.

  • "How perfect & complete the universe is !?"

    EM radiated waves impinge on my retinas electric currents enter my brain, and I perceive light & colour - in my brain! So there is no light or colour in the universe. The same goes for sound; and temperature sensation; and smell; and taste.

    Result = The universe is black & cold & deadly quiet etc. The universe we actually perceive is composed in our heads, and what we make of it is up to us alone.

  • Put that with the words of one of Don McLean's songs -

    'And the time has arrived when we must understand - That we're lost in the void on this sad speck of sand'

    'Nobody knows where we are - No-one cares,

  • It didn't come from nothing. Energy and matter are convertible. The problem you are having understanding this is due to the huge period of time that has past. The big bang actually BEGAN space AND time so it makes no sense to talk about before then. However because we ARE here, there MUST have been the potential to form the space time we live in. This is logical, we do not need supernatural causation to explain the universe or it's beginning.

  • If the big bang created all this then i must have a chance of winning the lottery 5 times in my lifetime think about it.

  • Yes, I think you are trying to say that the number of chances you have of winning a lottery depends upon the number of tickets you buy and the particular probabilites for each of them. Obviously if you never buy (or find, or are given etc) a ticket, you can never win. Not counting internet lottery spam ! But I'm sure you also know that the origin of the universe is not the same thing as the evolution of life. Re the a lottery, given time and the size of the universe, life may well be inevitable

  • We have no idea if 1) the universe began at all 2) how many universes there are 3) what occurred at the big bang.

    So you have no ground to make any statement about probabilities.

  • GO DAWKINS! WE LOVE YOU!

  • Dawkins verstellt mit seinem 'messianischen' Atheismus einen differenzierteren Blick auf die Positionen des modernen Atheismus bzw. Agnostizismus. Siehe mein Video: 'Die Dawkins-Diskussion'

  • "I'm by no means confident that my way is the best way." Zitat Ende. Vielleicht hörens dem Interview erst einmal zu anstatt hier (messianisch?) in Eigensache zu posten?

    PS. Vinak963, that quote applies to your post as well.

  • Lesen Sie doch einfach mal Dawkins BÜCHER, anstatt sich hier von seiner blankgeputzten Fünfminutensuppe blenden zu lassen. Der Mann steckt voll von Ressentiments, ganz wie die von ihm im übrigen in der Regel zu Recht Kritisierten. Ein Aufklärer sollte die Pose des Großinquisitors zu vermeiden wissen.

  • lets take something completely out of context just cause i am really bored.

    Richard Dawkins: "I never know what I think."

  • lol ya gotta love the dawkins

  • Thank you for posting!

  • Thank you for posting this. Good job.

    Dawkins looks ill in this interview. Poisoned by the Americans perhaps!

  • Certainly not by THIS American; Richard Dawkins ROCKS! :)

  • Very true. There are more American atheists than "fundies" on youtube.

  • A fact of which I am much pleased; atheism in America is much wider-spread than most people think.

  • I think you are right BionicDance, any country that can produce Mark Twain and the genius that is the Simpsons will overcome fundamentalism. Even if you don't, American atheists are always welcome in the UK.

  • While I love your comedies and a lot of your punk rock, the UK just...isn't for me. No offense meant, but the food and the weather would eventually kill me.

  • Lol, fair enough. The food's not so bad anymore, though I have to admit it is raining as I write this.

  • Okay, I admit a little hypocrisy on my part, given that I live in Seattle...rains here all the time. Heh.

  • Actually, i couldn't stick somewhere hot or muggy like the deep south. I like the cold and don't mind the rain, the worst thing about British weather is the low, grey cloud we get for days on end. Now that IS depressing.

  • Well, that's about what you can expect in Seattle, really: dark, gray, the occasional drizzle. For someone built for the tropics like me, it's...well, it's hell, frankly. Better it be hot and muggy as far as I'm concerned; I can actually DEAL with that!

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