Craig Ranke on Lloyde England at the Granada Forum

[EdjeBos]

I really don't understand how this is still discussed!! Lloyde has admitted his involuntary involvement in this planned event in unmistakable terms. People, WWII hás happened. There really are people in power capable of unspeakable acts against other human beings. This shit DOES happen. And yes, it wás your government. Is that really so hard to believe? Stop hiding behind ignorance and naïveté. Grow up.

[pentagon28]

@EdjeBos Lloyde England says was driving past the Pentagon when a plane flew over and hit a lightpole that smashed into his car. I'm wondering why an eyewitness who says 'I think the plane flew over here' is considered accurate but someone who says 'a lightpole crashed into my car' is considered a liar, considering that there is not one eyewitness who said 'the plane did not crash into the building'.

[EdjeBos]

@pentagon28 I doubt strongly you want to know, but watch?v=3GHM5f9lVho, from 6:45. Tell me, what is he talking about?

[pentagon28]

@EdjeBos watch?v=3GHM5f9lVho and tell me one thing he says that you can't read on thousands of websites all over the internet for years. Lloyde England can do a seach for his name and find hundreds of websites, bloggs,forums , articles saying that he is involved in a some big military black-op deception false flag operation cover-up with himself 'at the eye of the storm'. If he had passed that spot 5 seconds earlier you would never had heard of him but some other unfortunate individual>>

[pentagon28]

@pentagon28 >>would be the 'agent' 'at the eye of the storm' being traduced all over the internet by self-deluded people who think it's ok to accuse other people of involvement in mass murder but who bristle with self-rightous indignation when anyone even criticises them, and who can't imagine that anyone would defend someone they accuse of involvement in mass murder, since they have pronounced them guilty. The only explanation for that must be that they are as guilty as he is...

[EdjeBos]

@pentagon28 I am accusing someone who says 'I shouldn't be involved in this, this is for rich people'?? How do you figure that? I'm not accusing him of anything he doesn't admit himself. If anything, I feel sorry for him. He seems like a really nice guy. You act like it's a hard to pressurize someone. And I can't believe you are thát naieve, so yes, I dare to assume you are a lying shill.

[pentagon28]

@EdjeBos "I'm not supposed to be involved in this. This is for other people, people who have money and all this kind of stuff. Well, I'm not supposed to be involved with this. I don't have nothing."

[EdjeBos]

@pentagon28 I saw on your channel you already know of the vid. You shills should really put more effort in the make-up of your channel. They all look the same! Nice of you to honour your employer with your username. Good boy!

[pentagon28]

@EdjeBos Damn! I knew someone would spot the name! I told them!  I said shouldn't I use another name , it's way too obvious, but they said if hundreds of people can't see a Boeing 757 flying over the Pentagon in broad daylight then they'll never spot it. It's a fair cop. You can come along to the Pentagon and arrest me. Go to Ring C office 246 , but be careful in the corridor outside ,they are bending some lightpoles or something.

[EdjeBos]

@pentagon28 bla

[cwlldoran]

Sean Boger , who is an 'expert witness' said the plane crashed into the building. 

[felicity5155]

@cwlldoran - This silly elaborate plan that you are referring to WORKED. It had you fooled. I would have done the same thing. Provide just enough smoke and mirrors so no one would question the events. The staged light poles would be icing on the cake and I would publicize it as irrefutable evidence. The plane had to come from the south because of the downed light poles, right? Wrong, eyewitnesses say plane came from north. Smoke and mirrors WORKS. You are proving it.

[felicity5155]

Pole #1 looks staged. Look at the single drag mark. Now consider all of the possible scenarios of Lloyde and his unnamed helper pulling the pole out of the car and resting it on the ground. Can you create a re-enactment that validates the placement of the pole in relation to the car and also take into account the drag mark? I CAN'T. I challenge any debunker to come up with a re-enactment that is plausible. I don't believe such a possibility exists. The entire event was staged IMO.

[felicity5155]

Have you looked at Lloyde's drawing of the pole sticking out of his windshield and then compare it with the position of the resting car and light pole and the drag mark? It does not add up. The pole would not be resting where it was if 2 people pulled it out of the car and set it down. The pole was resting in the middle of the street. If anything the pole should be on the shoulder.

[felicity5155]

My point is that witnesses PRESUMED that the plane crashed into the building while they didn't PRESUME that the plane flew north of the Citgo. There is a big difference.

[felicity5155]

I guarantee that if you see a plane fly over your head and see it fast approaching a building and then you see a huge fireball explosion, you would swear that the plane crashed into the building even if it actually flew over the building. The flash explosion would blind you for an instant and you would close your eyes or turn your head away and not see the plane fly over. That is a FACT. People swear by what they see at magic acts but they are mistaken. The magician knows the truth.

[cwlldoran]

My mama always told me.. "Son , never , never take a lightpole out of someones car , especially if the Pentagon is burning in the background....you let the authories do that... you hear me...?" I'm sure we have all been told that at one time or another..

It just shows what happens when evidence is not assessed in an unbiased and rational way, with part of the evidence of some witnesses having a 'PROVEN -DO NOT RE-ASSESS' sticker put on it.

[o0smokingmonk0o]

@cwlldoran the problem is both sides don't want you questioning their conclusions. If I think the official story isn't on the up and up i'm a heathen, and If i don't believe in reptilian people i'm an illuminati plant. You just can't win these days.

[felicity5155]

@cwlldoran - For insurance purposes you would never tamper with evidence. If a giant pole smashed through your windshield would you immediately pull it out? Why? Or would you take photos first for the insurance adjuster or at least wait for the cops to show up? The answer is obvious. Before you call people irrational you need to listen to yourself and realize that you are the one being irrational.

[cwlldoran]

@felicity5155 If a giant pole smashed through my windsheild,having just had the rather frightening experience of having a giant lightpole smash through my windsheild after being hit by a low flying aircraft, with potentially hundreds of people having just died a hundred yards away in the nations military head quarters, I don't know what I'd do. What then do I think someone else I don't even know would do in those circumstances -I can't imagine there are many things less obvious.

[felicity5155]

@cwlldoran - Do you want to do a real life simulation or just take a poll of 100 people? I guarantee you 100% of the people would not immediately remove the giant light pole from their windshield given the same situation. And 100% is better than highly probable. Do you want to make a bet? I understand your point of view but at the same time Craig's argument is a valid one and does not need to be ridiculed like you have done.

[cwlldoran]

@felicity5155 Lloyde didn't have 100 people to ask what he would do with the pole in his windsheild. Do you really think his car insurance would be uppermost on his mind at the time? I really can't imagine a cop coming along and him saying, 'I know there are maybe hundreds of people killed over there, but I want to report damage to my car from this light pole.' Can you think of a reason for him to pretend a lightpole came through his windscreen and that he removed it before anyone saw it?>>

[cwlldoran]

@cwlldoran The whole point of this really is what is plausible and what isn't - the idea of some elaborate plan involving a faked event with a light pole knocked over by a plane that didn't fly anywhere near it - even from the point of view of arranging for him to arrive at some point on the road when no one could know exactly when a plane was going to arrive, and be sure there would be no other traffic in the way, a traffic jam, a car ahead, cars behind- and for what ? >>

[cwlldoran]

@cwlldoran >>I think that deserves ridicule to be honest. He is going around giving presentations and publicly accusing this man , and others like the construction manager at the Pentagon ,of involvement in mass murder then something better that 'he wouldn't have taken the light pole out of his windshield' is required.

[felicity5155]

@cwlldoran - Ok, let's just agree to disagree. As I repeat, Lloyde's claim that he pulled the light pole out of his windshield with the help of a stranger immediately after he came to a stop represents extremely unlikely behavior. I can prove that this behavior is unlikely by doing a scientific poll. In layman's terms the B.S. meter is on red line. If you want to buy into B.S. stories then that is your choice, but I won't.

[cwlldoran]

@felicity5155 I suppose that is my position too so, fair enough.

[seekYEthetruth]

pentagon28, yeah, thats the one..

[seekYEthetruth]

pentagon28, yeah, thats the one..

[POLYMORPHLEGION]

the icke book in the backseat, priceless...

you're almost there lloyde, now go read alices adventures in wonderland and the world trade center disaster (why the official version of 9/11 is a momunental lie)...

[unclech0pper]

Hi Craig,

During your presentation I noticed that when talking about your star witness Sean Boger you left out various components of his testimony - specifically the part where he mentions watching the plane fly in, impact with and fully enter the Pentagon before exploding.

Why did you leave that out of your presentation? Don't you think it's important to know that your witnesses, especially Sean Boger with his view of the impact from less than 100 yards away, are impact witnesses?

[lytetrip]

It wasn't left out. We are quite clear in ALL our presentations that all 14 north side witnesses believe the plane hit. That does not change the fact that this is impossible given the fact that they independently corroborate each other regarding the placement of the plane in relation to the gas station. This is demonstrated even further with the relatively slow RIGHT BANK described by Boger and others that is also fatal to the official story.

[unclech0pper]

That's all very nice, Craig. But your witness also said that he stood there and watched the plane impact with and fully enter the Pentagon before exploding. He had the *best* view of the impact from the Heliport tower 100 yards away.

He. Watched. It. Go. All. The. Way. Into. The. Pentagon.

You went to Arlington in 2006 with the pre-conceived notion that no plane hit the Pentagon. Your investigation was a fraud before it even began.

[pentagon28]

@lytetrip

How does someone who sees planes flying low near the Pentagon every day mistake a plane flying about 90 feet up and and about to fly over the building for a plane about to hit low on the first floor of the building? When the plane is about 100 feet from the buildiing he will be looking up at about 45 degrees.

[kaiyno]

So where are all the people that weren't found in WWII? where are all the people that weren't found in the Pentagon attack?? you're the one saying that a 757 (AA flight 77) full of passengers didn't crash into the Pentagon, so truthtard, then tell us once and for all WHERE THE HECK ARE ALL THE PASSENGERS?? ACCORDING TO YOUR VERY DUMB HYPOTHESIS

[kaiyno]

Yeah truthtard, you forgot to mention that all the people missing that are thought to be the "victims" are actually on a secret CIA island on the Pacific... they will be there forever so everyone believes they did die, all the passengers of flight 77 and the Pentagon victims are all there... people will keep thinking they died in this dreadful attack...

[kaiyno]

the plane that crashed into the Pentagon wasn't a 737 ("How big is the front edge of the wing of a 737 or whatever the plane was") it was a 757, now I can see you are very brainless about this subject.

[kaiyno]

And you think everyone is going to believe "the top of the lightpoles have been cut with a sharp implement", yeah absolutely no one noticed when the secret CIA & FBI agents brought the prepared lightpoles and the cab into the highway, they had to "secretly" stop traffic so nobody would notice anything right? TRUTHTARD

[kaiyno]

How do you know the lightpoles were broken like you said when the jet hit them and not when they hit the ground? now you know everything, even the physical evidence of things when they break...

[kaiyno]

Keep barking all you want, no one cares about a noisy stubborn dog who can't shut his barking..

[sudaev]

I don't understand what the point of this is; you're quibbling over whether the flight path was on the north side of the Citgo station or the south side?

[CokeSupply]

Sudaev, it's been at least 6 days since you first saw this video - I suggest that if you still don't understand, then watch the full 90 minute documentary that explores Lloyde's story. The main point of the argument is that Lloyde tried to alter his original story, which the photographic evidence of the day simply doesn't support.

[thedayitriedtodie]

it's sad ppl like u are born,man.

[pentagon28]

@seekYEthetruth

Is that the same David Icke, goalkeeper and sports presenter who years ago suddenly announced that he was the Son of God?

[sudaev]

LOL typical conspiracy nutjobs. Everything hinges on some small detail.

[MercBezerk]

Um the plane approached on the north side of the gas station. Do either of you two(sudaev/kaiyno) understand the implications of this? This implicates Lloyd, this means NO POLES were hit. Unless either of you intellectual juggernauts want to explain how the plane hit the light poles approaching from the north side of the gas station. According to the official story, data, and light poles damage path it needed to be on the SOUTH SIDE of the gas station. IT...WAS...NOT.

[AlexFate101]

Another great video - good work.

[sudaev]

Yeah, the smaller broken piece came through the windshield. It looks like it's a good seven feet long or so. Why can you not understand that?

[gtg309v]

sudaev, wrong. The cab driver identifies the larger piece as going through the windshield. When asked how long the light pole was that went through his windshield, he says it is 30-40 feet long. Watch the full interview before making up false claims.

[CokeSupply]

Lloyde himself claims that the piece that penetrated his windshield was at least 30 feet long. He also claims that a passer-by helped him pull it out, and that the he fell under the curved section of the pole as it was being taken out.

The curved section was at the end of the main segment of the pole - which looks about 30-40 feet long in the video.

If Lloyde pulled the lamp post from his windshield as he claims, then it could be argued strongly that he would have a good idea how long it was.

[denbenenki]

Lloyde said in your full video that he had been going to classes that had to do with the Children of the Matrix book.

Could he have been programmed? Administered a drug?

At the end of your full length video, there is a woman who says she was driving south about to enter the on ramp and a man was in the middle of the road stopping her from traveling down Route 27.

Could that be because they were staging the scene with Lloyde?

[chaff2]

Once again, excellent work Craig....too many people are just too stupid to realize it.

[wakenbake22]

9:08 a.m. Indianapolis Center asked Air Force Search and Rescue at Langley Air Force Base to look for a downed aircraft. The center also contacted the West Virginia State Police and asked whether any reports of a downed aircraft had been received.

According to Richard Clarke, at about 10:00 (after the White House has been fully evacuated) Dale Watson of FBI gives a brief about Flight 77, We have a report of a large jet crashed in Kentucky, near the Ohio line.

[wakenbake22]

ATC lost radar contact with flight 77 shortly after the transponder was off.

In the radar reconstruction, flight 77 disappears, and for 8 minutes is not on radar, which is not possible in this area. An unidentified blip is picked up on radar, the official story claims it is flight 77.

This blip is spotted by ATC at Dulles about 50 miles out of DC, 10 minutes before explosion at Pentagon. All experts watching thought this was a military jet, not a 757.

[kaiyno]

We are going to know how a lightpole goes lose when a low-flying plane passes by?? we are going to know if the lightpole (or parts of the lightpole because it could have broken in many parts after it went lose) fell over the windshield or over the hood??? are we going to know or are we going to guess?? are we going to keep forgeting about the 'victims'? ...

[lytetrip]

Oh we know full well that the plane was nowhere near the light poles kaiyno. No guessing involved. We have the evidence to prove it.

We are doing this FOR the victims. They deserve the truth to be known.

[kaiyno]

Would you be kind enough to tell me what do you think happened to the victims of flight 77 and the pentagon?

[MyceliaProductions42]

I agree, Kaiyno. It's an honest question. It's too bad you get thumbs down because some people in the 911 camp seem to disdain dissidence. Ironic and unfair.

[kaiyno]

Honest and obvious question, I mean they are saying there weren't any victims and this dumb arguments said in this video, like the light pole that were put there by secret CIA people... the entire light pole didn't fall in the cab's hood, it was crushed by the plane and parts of it fell in the windshield, the problem with this people is that they can't think reasonably and close their minds to only think that the government set everything up 100% (which is very retarded by the way..)

[gtg309v]

kaiyno, you get thumbs down because you make false claims. you try to say the entire light pole didn't fall in the cab's hood, when the cab driver confirmed that he is talking about the 30-40 foot part of the pole that went through his windshield. it said right in this video that he confirmed this fact with the cab driver. if you didn't believe it, you should have looked at the full interview and seen for yourself. instead of doing this, you made false claims. you suck.

[kaiyno]

First of all, I don't care about the thumbs, second, the cab driver was completely stunned the moment AA flight 77 flew roaring and crashing into the Pentagon, his perspective when everything happened might of obviously been of shock and confusion, so anyone would suggest that in that moment he may have thought the entire light pole went through his windshield when actually only a large part of it went through, it's obvious that in that moment everything happened so fast for him.

[kaiyno]

And I don't make "false claims", I make reasonable claims that don't only blame the US government..

[gtg309v]

You claimed the entire light pole didn't go through his windshield. The cab driver clearly tells us that the light pole that went through his windshield was 30-40 feet long. You make false claims. You are a liar.

[kaiyno]

I'm not lying because I'm only giving a reasonable argument, I don't fully believe in the cab driver's perspective can be trusted even though he saw everything happen, prove the entire light pole went through.. YOU CAN'T, SO SHUT UP

[gtg309v]

Why would I prove the entire light pole went through when I don't believe it did go through idiot? It was a set up.

The point is the cab driver says THE ENTIRE POLE WENT THROUGH. That's right, the cab driver described the light pole that went through his windshield as being 30-40 feet in length dip shit.

You are a liar for making claims about something you wouldn't know anything about. Were you there? No, the cab driver was there, not you liar.

[kaiyno]

Prove it was a "set up" IDIOT

You are the liar and the retard, you weren't there either so quit saying stupid claims, the cab driver thought the entire light pole went through but he made a mistake, it wasn't the entire light pole, it was a large fragment of it, flight 77 crushed the light pole as it flew by, PERIOD.

[gtg309v]

It's already been proven RETARD.

North of Citgo flight path + knocked over light poles in completely different path = SET UP

Not only do you deny that this was a set up when it is right in your face, but you also deny the official story by saying Lloyd's account of what happened is wrong. Nobody is falling for your BULL SHIT. YOU NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT IN THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR MEANINGLESS PATHETIC LIFE, PERIOD.

Frankly, talking to you is a disgrace to humanity. Goodbye fool.

[kaiyno]

That's not a proof of any kind, that's your dumb perspective of the crash, keep deluding truthtard.

[gtg309v]

My perspective? No, it's the perspective of every witness asked about which side of the gas station they saw the plane on. It has nothing to do with my perspective. If the plane was on the south side of Citgo, then there is no chance that every witness questioned would have said what they said. You fail.

[kaiyno]

Yeah truthtard, eye witnesses are always right and can't ever make a mistake in what they saw.. specially when they only saw an instant of the plane speeding and crashing, and how many witnesses say this, I mean like 4 or 3? ...

[gtg309v]

How many witnesses say this? EVERY SINGLE ONE ASKED ABOUT IT RETARD.  Which is about 13 or 15, which includes 2 police officers who were literally at the Citgo gas station at the time, which gives them the best possible perspective to determine which side of it the plane was on. It also includes an air traffic controller who was literally at the heliport of the Pentagon who could see the plane and the gas station in view as the plane banked toward the Pentagon. NO WITNESS SUPPORTS YOUR CLAIM.

[kaiyno]

You think no witnesses support AA flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon?? If so you're truly crazy, SERIOUS MAN, GET SOME HELP

[CokeSupply]

I think you misunderstood gtg309 - he was talking about witnesses of the flight path, not witnesses to the crash

[kaiyno]

That's contradictious, if witnesses saw a plane crash into the Pentagon then why would there be witnesses who saw a different flight path?? ... anyways this is completely absurd and offensive to the victims who died on 9/11.

[CokeSupply]

Yes, the witness accounts contradict - that's actually the point of the documentary!!

Also, you might not think of the video as being absurd if you watched the full 90 minute documentary that explores Lloyde's story. Personally, I understood the implications very easily and believe it is obvious that it should be investigated further.

Personally, I doubt that the victims of the 911 atrocity would be offended if people were investigating how their loved ones died. But that's just my opinion.

[kaiyno]

Ok, so let me get this straight on what you believe happened, do you believe AA flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon killing about 200 people? and not that some other artifact weapon like a missle disguised as a plane crashed into the Pentagon to decieve the public that a real plane crashed? or just write what you believe happened.

[4dangler]

Dude, you're total fucknuts. Have you watched the whole video yet? You think if a plane going 500 mph knocks down five light poles and they don't take off like rockets or gouge up the grass at all from flipping round and round about a dozen times isn't just a tad illogical? Grow a fuckin brain. Done.

[kaiyno]

If that's true then why weren't the light poles found on other places? I doubt secret CIA and FBI agents sneaked out from no where and brought the broken light poles to the highway and the stupid taxi with the hood damaged so everyone would think that's what happened...

[wakenbake22]

Sgt Lagasse is on video on the north side of Citgo. He puts the plane north of the station. Impossible to hit light pole one.

Light pole one is said to hit Lloyde's cab. How is that possible?

Sgt Brooks sees the plane on the same path that Lagasse sees. The NORAD animation is a match for these witnesses. More than ten others confirm the north of Citgo path.

So what hit the light poles? Can any "debunker" explain this?

[deadtoo]

Maybe the cab driver hit the light pole. Most light poles are built to collapse easily. He was watching the plane and not the road. He probably took advantage of the situation to avoid conflicts with his employer.

Now there's a conspiracy for you.

[janusaur]

Excellent job- there is no way the plane flew where the official story places it!

These lame JREF goons who voted this vid down simply won't be able to debunk the witnesses until they go to Arlington and investigate themselves- like that'll ever happen!

[Caper1144]

If the scene was staged, why the fuck didn't they mark up the hood? You're an idiot.

[wakenbake22]

Why didn't they mark up the hood?

The failure to properly stage a scene doesn't mean it wasn't staged. I hate the "arguement" that criminals are perfect. Mistakes are made.

They should've done a better job staging this, they should've gotten the pole into the cab and left it there.

How could the light pole fall over and do this damage? What flips the pole so the bottom of the pole is so high and it comes into the cab at a downward angle?

[Caper1144]

Yeah I get it. You're a crazy person.

[lytetrip]

The plane was on the north side.

Lloyde's story does not make sense.

The implications are clear.

View the evidence on our site.

[popper666]

Your FAULTY logic and NONSENSICAL argument ruins your other information. Unfortunately, it's too late to back away from your errors. THERE IS NO INTELLIGENT OR REASONABLE REASON WHY they would stage this JUST so they could say the plane was on the south side instead of the north. That ABSOLUTELY kills and destroys your argument. Besides that, I think it is quite clear and evident that there WAS a second plane that hit the Pentagon from the south with a north plane fly-over. That makes sense.

[wakenbake22]

popper666

I once thought it possible that a small plane hit the Pentagon from the south, but the few witnesses that claim this can't see the plane from where they are, or refuse to speak about what they saw, so there is no evidence to support this.

There are several witnesses on the record seeing the plane north of Citgo, over the Navy Annex, not hitting light poles...

[wakenbake22]

great vid