yes but yamato battleship is the most important ship ever made. Her guns is 460 mm and iowa battleship has guns of 430/420 mm i dont know, but i think that yamato is the best
@nicklovedeltahf Her guns might be bigger but the Iowa could shoot almost twice as far. With the AP capability nearly identical, the Iowa would destory the Yamato in most engagements. Yamato was far from Important, by that time Aircraft Carriers were the important ships.
@MadMilitiaMen as obvious as it is, you are another thick low IQ yankee that took his WW2 info off TV, "Iowa could shoot twice as far" Yamato's 18.1" guns can fire 27 miles away, iowa's can fire 25 miles away, who has the range advantage now bitch. and whats with the babble about gun accuracy? yamato had millions of mod4 radars, the first salvo she ever fired on a US ship hit its target (the USN gambier bay) as for carriers, she is credited for being the only BB to attack a carrier force and win
@dividednations44 Wow, are you actually retarded or just stupid. Yamato fired 200 shells at the Gambier Bay at 20,000yds and only hit twice after it had to move in closer. An accuracy of .5% at any range is pretty horrible. Yamato was piss poor accurate. The Iowa fired at a fleeing jap Destroyer and straddled it at 35,000 yards first salvo. Iowa had better EFFECTIVE RANGE and MASSIVELY BETTER ACCURACY. None of your B.S. is going to change that. Cheers Retard!
@MadMilitiaMen i'm just wondering where did u find that? according to a different source yamato fired with her forward guns and hits was confirmed by the recon plane before the carrier disappeared in the smokescreen.if u have read the book on the musashi when she did gunnery practice at 23miles the shells just hit in front of the target and that was without radar assistance.idk if this will explain the dismal performance at samar but it was due to fatigue from the previous day.
@bobbyspongka One source isn't going to cut it mate. The Hits Yamato first registered were actually shells fired by a cruiser. That book also fails to mention that during the numrous other tests, the accuracy of the 18.1 in guns was described by COs as miserable. The targets at 23miles were also had a number of salvos fired at it before the Mushashi even came close. Records show that for anything greater than 20km, the Yamato class was pretty useless.
@nicklovedeltahf Yamato is the best because she had the heaviest armor on any battleship ever mounted and the heaviest, highest caliber guns with mod4 radars and rangefinders made her a well oiled war machine that is credited for taking the most damage a ship ever took before sinking, her sister the musashi is the second on the list.
@dividednations44 Looks like you've pussied out on the other page. Oh well. "heaviest armor on any battleship" And it was still IJN armor. Crap steel. That's why she had so much. "highest caliber guns with mod4 radars and rangefinders" And they were inaccurate too! Oh boy! "she is credited for being the only BB to attack a carrier force and win" She pussied out of the fight, didn't she? And so did the rest of the task force.
@iced8383 Who was the one to Hide Behind Smoke screens in samar, sonny? Who was the one To Run away Using Speed? And we both know Yamato never fled the fight. She had to manuever away from an incoming torpedo, that put her away from the fight zone. but in what few time she stayed in that fight she sunk a carrier and a DD. nice job Yamato. you kicked yankee mcdonlads ass in 5 minutes
and i see you are soooo uneducated you dont know the battle of midway. what a total idiot
@dividednations44 "Who was the one to Hide Behind Smoke screens in samar, sonny?" The USN. Wouldn't you do the same? "but in what few time she stayed in that fight she sunk a carrier and a DD" But she didn't. Back that up. "you kicked yankee mcdonlads ass in 5 minutes" Another ignorant comment from the biggest douchebag on the internet! The USN won at Samar. "you dont know the battle of midway. " Yes I do as a matter of fact. Tell me, who won the Battle of Midway?
@icedBrain The first Salvo The yamato Ever fired on A ship (using Only her two frontal turrets) Scored Her first Naval Kill Ever. gambier Bay, which Became no more then a Forgotten Wreck after the Yamato fired three more salvos. The Recon plane From the Y Confirmed it, You dont even know there was a counter attack in Midway and you dont even Realize That Yamato Never ran away from the fight, How the fuck are supposed to trust a piece of shit who gets his info from navyfield? SHUT THE FUCK UP
@dividednations44 "The first Salvo The yamato Ever fired on A ship (using Only her two frontal turrets) Scored Her first Naval Kill Ever." Back it up. My bad, you can't. Yamato never got close to sinking a ship, let alone hitting one. "You dont even know there was a counter attack in Midway" Midway was no counterattack. It was a defense. "How the fuck are supposed to trust a piece of shit who gets his info from navyfield?" Nope. I get my info from books. While you're using wiki.
@iced8383 this is coming from a freak with billions of navyfield vids. as if you would get your hands on any books. ok then if you actually do, little archimedes, can you recommend me a bunch? and my proof? oh, If you have a healthy pair of eyes you would look up the Photographs taken from the US DD's of the Yamato faintly visible miles away shelling the shit out of the gambier bay, good time they were. wiki is for losers and so as TV. losers like you
@dividednations44 " this is coming from a freak with billions of navyfield vids" It's a pasttime. Also granted you have game footage cluttering your channel, you're a hypocrite. "can you recommend me a bunch?" Incredibly Victory by Walter Lord, Shattered Sword, Afternoon of the Rising Sun, Handbook of World War II just to name a few. Cruisers and destroyers sank the Gambier Bay, not the Yamato. Yamato's FCS was garbage.
@dividednations44 arsehole the Yamato and musashi were crap and both are rusting wrecks on the bottom today. Yamato was badly damage by 1 torpedo fired by US sub in 1943 because its TDS was crap Yamato and 3 other jap BB,s + heavy cruisers ran away from US destoyers and escorts, More filthy jap defeats, Midway, guadalcanal, MarianaTurkey shoot, Leyte Gulf, Surigao Strait, US destroyer Melvin torpedos and sinks jap BB Fuso
@nicklovedeltahf Big doesn't mean anything mate. Yamato also had larger guns and more AA guns. Yet Iowa was superior. The Iowa had a vastly superior effective range of guns and the super heavy AP shell nearly had the same power as the larger 18in shells. The Iowa could also put over 3 times the amount of AA fire into the air compared to the Yamato per minute.
Can i find the Iowa ship in the german/japanese uboat missons in silent hunter 4? i have the "yamato controlled by player" mod and i want to find the iowa ship and sink her. my date in game right now is june 11,1943.
In a 1-on-1 death match, my gut feeling is that the Yamato would probably prevail, but for the kind of work the Iowas were actually used for (as fast escorts and AA-screens for the fleet carriers), there were far better suited than the Yamato.
@antred11 You'd be wrong... Longer effective range, better speed, better steel, better armor protection scheme are in Iowas Quote.... that fire control radar was simply a technological leap that Yamato could not match. It is like Comparing a Cray 1 Supercomputer to my Sandy Bridge Processor-ed 16 GB of RAM 1 Terabyte HD desktop.... Yeah the Cray is a "supercomputer"... it's even HUGE but the generation gap is simply way to much for it to match.
Guys, wth, how can you use argument that Yamato was actually sunk and Iowa wasnt? I mean the thing that destroyed Yamato want any battleship 1v1, it was a massive air raid that would have destroyed any ship (may I remind you how many good battleships sunk in the Pear Harbor?). If I should name the WW2 key ships in US fleet it would be Enterprise, Yorktown and Hornet in the the most important battle of Midway.
The Iowa closs designed around hit and run, hit the enemy before they could do anything and then get out of dodge quicker than they coulld catch up, boh were amazingly beautiful ships, both were designed for a purpose, and both can beat the leaving hell out of eachother, just depends on the scenario and situation you put them in, if its a long range fight then the iowa would score hit after hit after hit and do the most damage, if its closerranged then the yamato would make the iowa swiss cheese
Each ship would be a force upn itself, each ship had its advantage and disadvantage, the Iowa when built was built to be fast and accurate at long ranges, the yamato was built to hit and hit hard, both are good qulities but with both being built in different times of the war, both were built around two different naval concepts, the yamato following traditional dreadnaught fasion was meant to get in close and fire a braodside and rendering enemy ships unable to fight or sinking to the bottom
The Yamato was a showpiece, a morale booster. It had no practical uses. The Iowa was accurate and the Yamato was a massive target and the Iowa is a relatively small target. Radar sights vs. Optical, NO COMPETITION! The Iowa was hands down better than any battleship in the world.
@TheYamato101 Other than the final part of my comment it is complete fact you dumbshit. Instead of a one word pussy argument grow a pair and show your points. Which ship sunk again? Oh yeah, the Yamato and her equally shitty sister ship. Someone else stated accurately that she was more effective as a transport ship than a battleship. What ship was recommissioned several times after WW2? The Iowa and her sister ships. I know the Yamato wasn't because a school of fish had rented it out.
Alright now that purecanaidian has gone on his merry way, anyone else want to step up and discuss the Iowa v. Yamato class. I'm always happy to put Yamato fanboys in thier place.
@TheYamato101 - Okay this Iowa "fanboy" would love to see what you got. Besides the wife being from Iowa, here's why I'd take the Iowa over the Yamato:
1: Speed (Iowa at least 5+ knts faster)
2: RoF
3: Mark 13 FCS
4: DC
5: Radar that could range OTH, especially useful at night
6: Use of STS in interior vertical surfaces to all but eliminate splintering
I'd like to see your reasoning to pick a decent target for the Iowa to sink
@sol3a1 yamato has better hitting 18.1in guns.no they had the same rof.could sustain more damage.better hitting 6in gun.could out range iowa.more durable radar
@sol3a1 no yamato gun fired 2 to 2.5 rounds a min every where i cheak the what it says.is the fight if iowa gets repaired so does yamato.iowa had deliqute radar pieces
@TheYamato101 - Where did you get the RPM for him to have 2 -2.5? I found that the RPM for the Yamato was 1 to 1.5 from several sources Here is where I got my info: "3" w . navweaps.com /Weapons/WNJAP_18-45_t94.htm and: the 3 w .combinedfleet. com/yamato.htm I'd like to see the 2-2.5 RPM As for "delicate radar pieces, could you point me where you got that?
@TheYamato101 - So looks like the Yamato had a maximum, training, RPM of 1.5 to 2 when he fired about as fast as he could. For Iowa from those sources:
Wiki Mark 7 16/50: 2 RPM
History Channel: Again all over the place
Combined Fleet: 2 RPM - same as Yamato
Navweapons: 2 RPM
What the Combined fleet says about reloads times is the barrel must be brought to 3 degrees. Firing at long range means moving the barrel back
Iowa moves at 12 deg/sec while Yamato moves at 8 deg/sec
@TheYamato101 - Part 2 - continuing the discussion of why you think the Yamato is better than the Iowa. Now the rest:
4: His 6" secondaries have better range than the US 5"/38 DP - Range is true but the RoF for his 5" and 6" guns were much lower than her 5". Also, the US 5" DP had the same FCS and Radar as her 16"
5: His radar was "more durable"? Not sure what you mean by this. One thing I do know is that the Radars on the "new" US BBs, BB55 and up have few if any operational issues mid '43 on
@MadMilitiaMen - purecanadian is a travesty to all my friends "over the border". His idea of research is to read something and twist it until it says what he wants it to say
I guess I'm an "Iowa fanboy" too
In WW2, if I had to trust my life going mano e mano on one gunship, it'll be the Iowa
@sol3a1 I consider myself a "Battleship Fanboy" personally. But when i see these moron's talking about how the Yamato was an unsinkable supership, i feel the need to teach them the actual facts.
@MadMilitiaMen - I agree. If the Yamato had the US radar and Mark 37 FCS, he'd be "The One". To me Iowas are better not because I'm American nor that my wife is from Iowa, but because when you look at the whole Battleship, she had the goods
The Battleship Iowa that is - leave my wife out of this discussion ;-D
First of all they had to shell it with torpedoes to sink the yamoto they would never had used ships to fight her she would have beat the hell out of them thats why they sent carrriers after her instead they knew a ship to ship issue would be a complete loss so they threw every plane they had at her.The very reason battleships are out of date they cant defend air strikes well.
The comments are stupid, those in the "highest rated" should both be marked as having too many negative votes (like this comment likely will be). Iowa would have beaten Yamato.
@Contrajoe Four of us thrashed this out ad nauseum about six months ago--sol3a1 (Iowa) and I, and a guy named guns777 (Yam) in particular . Can't remember the 4th guy (Iowa). It would not have been a slam-dunk for either side, and although there are legitimate reasons for a person to favour one over the other, it would have been ugly, and no sane man would want to be on either of these monsters. Personally, I favour the Yamatos, but there are arguments each way.
@wilmanric1 "no sane man would want to be on either of these monsters"
I guess I'm insane. I would feel honored to be allowed to set foot on either ship, and I'd do almost anything if it guaranteed a chance to serve on one in combat.
Also, Iowa's armor was certainly thinner, but it was much better in quality. That said, I don't think that even Yamato's own armor could have stood up to an 18" armor piercing round. Now, an H-44 class ship (semi unrelated) is different, I think.
@Contrajoe There's an interesting report where the USN post-war tested captured plate intended for Shinano before her conversion. Could not penetrate the main turret armour with the US 16" except at 0 range and 0 degrees impact. At combat ranges, the main guns + barbettes would have been invulnerable. Iowa's armour supposed to be better, but I've never seen objective tests. If you have found some pls, pls, pls fwd the link! I'd love to see them. Same for test on the "super heavy" 16's.
@purecanaidian Then no armor in the world could stand up to that ship, and any battle involving it would have been absolutely incredible, to say the VERY least.
Both the Iowa and Yamoto where outstanding fighting vessels. However the Yamoto was almost twice the size of the Iowa. The Iowa had more modern equipment, but better fire control systems alone would not compensate for the massive displacement differences and sheer power of the Yamato guns. It's like saying an Olympian shooter could offset the difference between his rifle and a nuclear blast.
@sinjmaster - Nope. The Iowa was a fighter, accurate and fast. The Yamato is a brawler not as fast, and would want to slug it out in a broom closet
The Iowa (she/her) could see the Yamato (he/him) because her radar was superior to what he had. While he had longer range, the rage was over the Horizon, aka out of sight. She could see things over the horizon via radar
In a batter between all Iowas vs Yamato and Musashi, the Iowas would win. They would send 6 times as many shells as the 2 behemoths
By the time that we got to the Yamato (remember, the Japanese couldn't risk it in battle because of the symbolic nature of the ship for propaganda back home), It was the last ship for the Japanese navy, and was crewed by a bunch of trainees.
You could've put an entire year's worth of production from Bethlehem steel into that damn ship and it still would've sank to the bottom of the ocean with the rest of the Jap Turds.
Ha! Bullshit! The Iowa class had no chance against the yamato! The Iowa had not so much Armour as the Yamato, on the other hand it was faster and possible to follow the carrier Task forces. In a direct duel, the Yamato would have blown the Iowa into parts!
I am sure that you have manned the Iowa with an expienced crew and the yamato with novice.
@kuribayashi87 "The Iowa class had no chance against the yamato" not in a broom closet but the Iowa and her sisters had a higher RoF, arguably the best FCS in any navy, radar that could see over the horizon and US DC practices were the best in the world
"In a direct duel, the Yamato would have blown the Iowa into parts!" in a 1 on 1 vs the Yamato, the Iowa would've had the the upper hand as she could see him long before the other way around. The Iowa didn't need to hull him, just the decks
@kuribayashi87 "I am sure that you have manned the Iowa with an expienced crew and the yamato with novice" which is basically what you had in WW2. When the Yamato was not in port on the main islands, he was a floating hotel for dignitaries
The Iowa was on station and patrol far more then Yamato
Of course you give the Yamato the Iowa's FCS, DC and crew, you got a winner there.
@kuribayashi87 very true, how retarded that game is, iowa would'nt stand a serious chance at all when facing massive 18 inch guns and this is bullshit how come iowa is firing her secondary battery already? the yamato possessed secondary batteries used to serve as the main guns on heavy cruisers, yamato carried over 200 AA guns and its armor was ten times more thick, but your statement about yamato bieng faster is not true, iowa is much faster, iowa could go 35 knots max and yamato 27 knots max
@dividednation44 - the most retarded is the skipper of the Iowa getting that close to the Yamato. The Iowa dtermines the range and if there's a fight at all
Her radar can see the splashes of missed shells vs the Yamato (him) and relay that instantly to the gun crews, his radar was not tied into the FC
So again, barring the magic BB, the Iowa wins at range while like putting a fast boxer in a broom closet vs a big goon, loses if he catches her at close range
@kuribayashi87 You obviously have not researched the Wild Rose very well. The Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, Wisconsin, and their two never completed sisters had one HUGE advantage over the Yamato and Musashi. ACCURACY! True enough, had the Yamato been able to connect with 2 or 3 of its 18 inch shells, it would have been disastrous. But most experts agree that the combined accuracy and maneuverability gave the Americans a huge advantage that would have prevailed 8 out of 10 times.
@sol3a1 Wow you are ignorant. The Yamato was built to fight other Battleships, the Iowa was built as a fast battleship. Think about it. Do you really think that the Iowa outclassed the Yamato? From wich propaganda-movie you got your information?
@sol3a1 As i said. You are ignorant. Do you really think that the Iowa with its relatively poor Armor would have had a chance? I doubt that. And on the other hand, the Yamato had the more poweful guns, too. These factors make the Yamato to a better ship in a direct fight. Look at the Battel of Jutland, where the Germans had the better armor. In consequence, the british lost very more ships. So i think that the Yamato could take very more punishment than the Iowas. That is the reason.
@kuribayashi87 "As i said. You are ignorant" and it looks like you're a douche bag. Wow, that's fun now isn't it? Are you going to continue to hurl insults or do you really have anything to say?
"Do you really think that the Iowa with its relatively poor Armor would have had a chance?" wow 2 mistakes in just one sentence
1: Iowa and relatively poor armor - heard of the "all or nothing" concept and STS which was inside the ship too
2: "had a chance" - as built Iowa wins far more times over Yamato
@kuribayashi87 - Let's continue here "Yamato had the more poweful guns" which means squat if he can't hit and even then, the Iowa will not just "up and die" if she's hit just once or even several times. Her armor is made to cap AP shells (look that up) and USN DC was the best
"These factors make the Yamato to a better ship in a direct fight" that makes Yamato a brawler who hits real hard and has an iron chin but she's a fast boxer unless fighting in a broom closet make Yamato swing wild and miss
@sol3a1 The thing most people don't know about Yamato's guns is when they shot at a target they didn't need to hit the target to cause massive damage..because the shells were designed to explode under the water and cause damage at the keel where all naval vessels are weakest.
The Japanese also used special colored dyes that would be a tell tale sign of what gun made what splash making angle changes much more effective.
You really don't know why they used colored dyes do you? Colored dyes were used to tell the FCs which shells belonged to which ship to help them see how close they were. Compared to the FCS of the US BBs that could see their shell splashes on the Radar!
OBTW, almost all shells explode under water and the distance to actually effect a ship as well armored as any "modern WW2" BB was in single digit meters
US BB FCS was the best, hands down. The Iowa would win in a 1on1 vs Yamato
@Navyfieldguy Hearing you repeat time after time "Iowa was designed as a carrier escort" is hilarious. Why would a heavily armed and armored ship be designed for carrier escort first? Say you're designing a battleship. Would you design it as a carrier escort first and battleship second, or would you design it to duke it out with other battleships and win, and then as a carrier escort? Simply put a battleship is never designed as a carrier escort over a gunfighter.
@iced8383: Actually "Iowa was designed as a carrier escort" should really say that it was redesigned that way. USN BBs were able to put up so much lead with the introduction of the Quad 40s that they looked as they were on fire
I think the USS Enterprise radioed USS SoDak after the SoDak cut loose with her AAA, "Are you hit? Are you on fire", (like that) when it was all her AAA
USN BBs were versatile: could shoot down planes (SoDak splash 25+ in one battle) or go 1 on 1 with any BB
@sol3a1 I was just wondering, I had always hear Anti-Aircraft fire abbreviated as "AA". What is the third "A" for in your paragraph here? One more thing - "SoDak" = South Dakota? Thanks!
@kuribayashi87 "Look at the Battel of Jutland, where the Germans had the better armor" wow, using WW1 tech and tactics in WW2?
Ever heard of the Mark 37 FCS? It was the way Taffy 3 kept putting their 5" shells into the superstructures of the IJN CA off of Samar. Guess what Iowa had that too
So Yamato had "big guns and thick armor" he was slower, used optics had to move in a relatively straight line to fire, etc
She could do 540 deg turns followed by figure 8 and maintain a lock and still fire
@kuribayashi87 "So i think that the Yamato could take very more punishment than the Iowas" never argued otherwise but with the Iowa having true blindfight ability as her radar could see over the horizon, OTH, and his couldn't, she'd drop shells on his decks and dishing out punishment to him while he's still trying to see her
Iowa had every other advantage over Yamato
She was better in FCS, radar and accuracy. Her 16" shells would hurt him bad and they can't hit you, bigger and thicker mean squat
@sol3a1 Ok. do you really understand what I say? You only repeat the same statements. Look at this video. This fight took place at good weather. In this case the Yamato would be superior. But it is senceless to discuss with american Dilettantes like you. Can't you accept that other nations had better vessels than the U.S.? What comes next? Do you want to tell me that the Sherman was superior to the Tiger-tank?
@kuribayashi87 ""Ok. do you really understand what I say? You only repeat the same statements. Look at this video. This fight took place at good weather" I understand you but as for repeating the same old lines, that is you with the "bigger gun, etc"
As for "perfect weather on a clear day" why didn't the Iowa begin firing at 30k-35k where the Yamato would've had a difficult time even spotting her?
Why wasn't the Iowa ducking and dodging more? Iowa could easily cut and dink and still hit him
@kuribayashi87 "Can't you accept that other nations had better vessels than the U.S.?" yes I can but Yamato wasn't one of them
"Do you want to tell me that the Sherman was superior to the Tiger-tank?" hell no. Shermans were huge POS, "tracked coffins" whose only saving grace was that the US made so damn many
But it is senceless to discuss with american Dilettantes like you" Let me help you out here: This is what you really said:
"This American handed me my ass as his had the far better argument"
@kuribayashi87 - Anytime you wish to show your blatant disregard for facts or "The US is always wrong cause it is inhabited by idiots" sentiment again, I'll be happy to spank you again and put you in your place
@kuribayashi87 "Hell. This discussion is ridiculous..." what you said, yes was ridiculous. You are seduced by the "bigness of the guns" and "how thick it, the armor, is". That's porn for the superficial
You haven't been able to show how the Yamato could even hit the Iowa when she held all the cards
Here's a hint: Pull the Mark 37 FCS and Radar suite from Iowa and put them on the Yamato - then you'd have a true terror of the seas
Problem's "as is in '42" and commissioned early '43 Iowa is better
@kuribayashi87 The Iowa had Radar/computer fire control, the Yamato did not. The muzzle velocity of the Iowa's main battery was also superior, Not to mention she fired a super heavy 16 inch shell that was the equal of the japanese 18 inch. FYI, RE the Sherman vs Tiger, the Tiger had superior Armor and a bigger gun. The Sherman was faster, far more reliable mechanically and btw could fire on the move (gyrostabilized gun) while the Tiger could not, thought you'd like to know:)
@sol3a1 Also its a fact that US radar was advanced, its also a fact that they were extremely sensitive to shock from impact. Just one near miss or direct hit from a 3200 pound 18.1 inch shell could possibly render the radar advantage to a major disadvantage, being the Iowa crew would be dependent on the radar working.
Bull pucky, sources please. The US DDs facing off the Yamato, another IJN BB, 2 BCs, several CAs and LCs, and a butt load of other DDs didn't see to have any problem with their radar in the battle of Taffy 3
They were out gunned and ran out of ammo peppering CA and LC super structures with radar controlled 5" guns.
Sources please for this "glass jaw" of US BBs as they fired their own 16" with no ill effect to their radar
Again the "blow back of an 18.1" could do what again"?
HELL, it would not even need to penitrate Yamato's thick ass hull or turrets, just wash the Super Stucture off the deck along with the Bridge and fire control. HAHAHA
Armor is not an issue... Iowa would never even be in Yamatos effective range. Iowa could shoot over the horizon (Via Mk 13 Gunnery Radar) and hit with astounding accuracy day or night... and she was MUCH faster... so she also choose the range of the engagement.
@gpwasr10 7 knots of speed matter really a lot in a battle fought over thousands of miles. the accuracy of the iowa computer controlled guns was not astounding, today they are but then it was just better then normal aiming, not incredibly better, but just better. on very long ranges it doesnt matter if the guns are radar controlled or human, accuracy will always suffer. armor is not an issue? the battlecruiser failed exactly because of that. the yamato can take a far higher beating then iowa.
@charchadonto Thousand of miles, try about 35- 40... Do you understand what the difference in tech here is? I don't think you have a clue. The Iowa can (and will) stay OVER THE HORIZON where Yamato cannot see her... then pound her flat. Google "Blind Fire" and "USS Iowa". I like the Yamato... but this really is not a fair fight for her. Mk 13 was NOT simply "barely better then the Mk I eyeball".. it was VASTLY superior to ANYTHING else in service at the time. I suggest you do your research here.
@gpwasr10 i know i made a slip up with the miles, were i come from we use meters and i confused the 2. i didnt see it until i already had replied. still you are wrong too. during world war 2 the iowa didnt posses mk 13. those were installed in the late 1945 when the war was practically over. still the mk 8 could see farther then the guns were able to shoot i give you that. it is a major advantage. but the yamato had a major advantage too. see next reply.
@charchadonto Ahhh, I was like "Thousands?" Anyways, Iowas 16"/50 were more then capable of penetrating Yamato's deck armor with plunging fire at the ranges we are talking about as she had better long range ballistics then the 18.1" guns of Yamatos (Fact, look it up), she will hit with 55% or better odds from over the horizon... where Yamatos's optical rangefinders cannot see her.
@gpwasr10 the penetration ability of the shells fired by the iowa are 3/4 of those of the yamato's and the armor of the iowa is only capable of defeating his own rounds on a small area, around the magazines and engines the armor is insufficient to defeat even it own guns. so that means that the iowa is not capable of blowing through the armor of the yamato in an instant, but the yamato is. this extra thoughness can be used to close distance. since keeping distance is hard firing broadside.
@charchadonto Iowas big guns will destroy Yamato's ability to fight by making a disaster of the super structure and fire control. Iowa does not have to sink her to win this fight, just make her operationally useless for the Japanese, who would not have the resources to repair her. Iowa would not even get touched in the fight.
@gpwasr10 ah, well i have one final argument and it is the best one, why the iowa vs yamato would go to yamato. very simple, the iowa was never build to take on the yamato at all it was build for carrier escort duty. the class that was designed for taking on the yamato was the montana class, which would have been far more armored and would had four 16''/50 guns. the yamato on the other hand was designed to take on 3-4 battleschips of the new york class. so 1 iowa is more then possible
@charchadonto Yamato's fire control is simply to big a handicap my friend. I like the Big 'Mato too bro., and I have read many books about her (Titans of the Rising Sun is good, it's a quick read, but well worth it). But I think you way undervalue Speed and the huge technological gap between the two ships. It is like comparing a 4th gen fighter (Ala F-15) to a 5th Generation fighter (Ala F-22)... One is the greatest of her generation... the other represents an entirely new train of thought.
@Charchandonto Also, it was a fun debate! Thanks, not alot of us Battlewagon-Philes anymore. What I thought would be great would have been if one of the Yaqmatos would have survived the war... That would be something truly amazing to actually physically see.
@gpwasr10 The iowa was updated many times what was it like at that time is more important.When dealing with big guns its the armour that counts they used torpedos to sink the yamoto they diddnt have a ship near her or she would have torn them in peices they struck her with a couple aircraft carriers if it were ship to ship America would have had a hard time sinking her and she had no escort barely and NO air support They had to lob everything they had to sink her go read the books about it.
@korzon Iowa had that radar Package from DAY 1. Armor is a non issue in this fight as Yamato would have been extremely lucky to land even one blow vs. Iowa at the ranges Iowa would be slamming shells into her Superstructure and deck with alarming frequency. Weather she sunk her or not Iowa would make Yamato Operationally ineffective . Iowa had a MUCH LONGER effective range and she choose the range of the fight with her 5 knot speed advantage. Iowa was the Apex in Battleship design.
@gpwasr10 it was also the last design made in the us but the yamoto just had to hit it ounce to decimate it completly and that is true an 19 inch gun is very big and is thhe difference between 16 inch and the iowa was a fast battleship designed to be faster with a little less armour
@purecanaidian Read everything I wrote, then use google to verify it, then make your case. Yamato's guns were strong, but as strong as they were... hitting a target over the horizon was simply not possible for Yamato... but easy for the American ship. In a fight of this magnitude the first connected salvo would decide the winner as Iowas Guns were more then adequate to cause crippling damage. Do not discount the US Mk 17 for power, these guns were designed to use the 2,700 pound AP Mark 8.
@gpwasr10 it is very possible if they aimed and tried they could do it they went noobs operating the battle ship they were the most experienced they ijn had
@purecanaidian Despite being the "best" crew the IJN had, during a major review of the Yamato's gunnery in 1943, the high command was disgusted by the poor abilities demostrated by both the ship and the crew. The Yamato was not all that it was cracked up to be.
@gpwasr10 the aromour of the yammoto was built to with stand 18 inch naval gun fire which the iowas did not have the iowa could with stand 16 inch my point is still valid plus the yammolto had way better air defenses when it wwas refitted in 1943 which was when the iowa was made
@purecanaidian Oh my god, the complete lack of common knowledge on this comment makes my eyes burn. Go to a webiste called combinedfleet and look up battleship comparisons. It will tell you all you need to know about the Yamato and its poor design.
@MadMilitiaMen its poor design the musashi took 14 100 pulnd bombs and 19 torpedoes to go down thats not a poor design the iowa would have gone down after probably 5 bombs and 4 torpedoes so no it is not a poor design
@purecanaidian The Iowa class would have been able to easily put much more flak into the air compared to the Yamato class. American damage control was second to none during WW2 and way ahead of Japan. And if you look into that website i already listed you would learn that the Iowa's armour was much better designed to take damage from Torpedoes and bombs. The Iowa had a much better design than the Yamato.
@MadMilitiaMen thats all from an american standpoint of veiw you are just upset and dont want to agree that maybe some other country bested you in making someting to do with war the yamato was a perfectly designed ship and so was the iowa and it only had 20 5 inch dp and 40 20 mm while yamato had 24 5 inch dp guns and 109 20mm anti air guns so your wroung the yamato can put up way more flak than the iowa
@purecanaidian The overall flak comment on both ships shows your complete lack of intelligence. The Iowa's 20 5in guns could put up 17,500 pounds of flak per minute. The Yamato's 24 5in guns could only manage 13,500 due to thier slower firing cycles. On top of that the Iowa's 5in guns were more accurate and the proximity fuses increased thier AA capabilties by 50%. I won't even start on the smaller AA guns because you got the information completely wrong. Education is good.
@MadMilitiaMen the 20 mm aa's do make a differecne and my information is not wrong just admit the japenese bested america in one thing and the mk 12 guns on the iowa shat 15 rpm while the type 3s on the yamato shot 10 rpm but had four more plus the 18.1 inch anti air Sanshiki round and the 155 mm triple guns are also dual purpose so every gun on the yamato is hual purpose and can be used to fend off air attacks something the iowa lacks and the belt on the yamato is thicker than the iowa`s
@purecanaidian The Yamato did not have 20mm guns, it had 152 23mm guns in triple housings. Capable of putting 10,100 lbs of lead into the air. Likewise the Iowa had 80 40mm & 50 20mm guns capable of putting 31,000 lbs of weight into the air. The yamato's 23mm weapons were poor AA weapons as they elevated and rotated extremely slowly and they had to stop firing to reload. The 18.1 beehive round was rather useless and the 6in guns fired to slowly to be of any help in the AD role.
@MadMilitiaMen actualy it ha 162 25 mm rounds and the beehive round is useful and the 6 inch guns might be slow but still are better than what the iowa had and the aa guns moved fast they were only slow during operation ten go because a bomb took out the sips power
@purecanaidian The 25mm guns moved slow all the time, even when the Yamato had power so that was a lame arguement. The 6in guns or 5in were not better than the Iowa's 5in when it came to AA. So that's another equally lame counter-arguement. The beehive round was far from useful. As i already said it disrupted smaller AA guns and could only be used once. On top of that they did alot of damage to the barrels, the Musashi used the rounds during the Sibuyan Sea battle which disabled one of her guns
@MadMilitiaMen lame argument thats not a rebutal your atacking my argument so you are distraught as in fear of losing an argument over something you like you pickat the smallest details while missing the biggest picture the yamato class was a one of a kind class they will never happen again and were designed to be the best and they were the best
@purecanaidian Lol, first your arguements were complete shit and now your grammer has gone all to hell too. The Yamato class would do well never to arise again as it would be a waste. They were far from the best. You must get your information from video games. You probably think the A150 class would have been good too. Do yourself a favor and study such topics in depth before posting such thoughtless arguements.
@MadMilitiaMen the montana class was designed as a match for the yamato class and the a150 class had key upgrades to it the montana is just a iowa with an extra gun turret the two montana hulls were used for the last 2 iowa classes
@MadMilitiaMen oh yah and the yammatos main 18 inch cannons also had a special anti air flak incindary round that they fired now you cannot say thats not a lot a flak
@purecanaidian The 18in beehive round was built yet it was largely useless. It could fire once at the approaching aircraft but it could not engage at close range because it's guns couldn't track aircraft. The blast also disrupted the 25mm guns and diminished what little AA capabilities they possesed. On top of that the round was very harsh on the gun and severely reduced the barrel's life. While novel, the beehive round was less effective then the smaller AA guns.
@MadMilitiaMen better a broken barrel than a sunken ship the beehive was a last resort weapon it was effective at longer ranges and the 25 mm had great aa properties
@purecanaidian Here you are after 2 weeks and your first comment shows that you should have used said time to research. Yes the super heavy shell wore the barrel down slightly faster than the standard 16in round, but the Iowa still enjoyed a longer barrel life than other battleships. The Yamato's beehive round did not wear down its barrels, it damaged them, sometimes seriously. During the Musashi's final engagement, its use of beehive rounds actually disabled one of its guns.
@MadMilitiaMen it disabled the barrel and its better aving a downed gun than a sunken battleship they were last ditch attempt shells and the radar of the american ships did have its limits because the americans relied on it the japenese relied on scouting and that gives you a better idea of the target and fighting agaisnt an enemy thats not afraid to die makes it just that much tougher
@purecanaidian Jesus christ, it feels like i'm reading a child's comments. Better having a broken barrel than a sunken ship. In case you didn't know, the musashi did in fact sink. On top of that, the beehive round never was confirmed to have even downed ANY american planes. Then we have american radar that is superior to spotter aircraft as it is more exact and can be used at night and during bad weather. Being unafraid to die isn't much of a strategy, it certainly didn't help thier fleet at all
@MadMilitiaMen the radar can be fooled it was still pretty basic bac then all it took was a plane with tin foil to do it and the beehive was never confirmed by american planes because they were in a battle most of them did not record exactly what happened its a very sketchy topic and being unafraid to die did help ever heard of kamikaze or divine wind attacks that certanly didnt do any damage at all to the alied fleet at iow jima and okinawa notice the sarcasm thank u
@purecanaidian Cause Japanese planes carried tin foil right. LOL, god you are retarded. Even the Japanese never claimed a kill with beehive, except when they shot down five of thier own zeros during excercises. As for the Kamikazes, ever seen the number of them it took to do the relatively minor overall damage. For every Kamikaze hit, hundreds had been lost due to the superior allied AA guns. Notice my correct English and better Information? Course not because you are simple. Cheers!
@MadMilitiaMen cheers its fucking youtube i just fucking type it and dont care about my grammar or any otheer of that shit and i was making a point that radar can be fooled i never said they carried tinfoil on there planes and kamikazes still took out 34 ships and damaged 368 and the japenese navy did not car about losing thoses men because they were minimaly trained notice my improper english goodby
@purecanaidian Lol, angry retard is angry. You cannot back up your childish arguements and so you get pissed off. But back to the kamikazes, to sink 47 navy ships (only major vessels being 3 CVEs and 14 destoryers) Japan lost 2800 aircraft and thier crews. So overall, a large waste for largely minimal damage. But hey, at least those pilots did more damage than that giant waste of steel we all know as the Yamato class.
@MadMilitiaMen yah giant waste of steel just like the iowa class at least the yamato has a good story behind it what did the iowa do sit off islands and fire
@SgtShnackendale its ok to say that your wrong to some armies dont give a shit about fuel consumption and no im 15 no im not mentaly slow and no im not uneducated and i do know what im talking about
@purecanaidian Clearly you don't!! Everything you have argued yet is complete bullshit.
To put it bluntly, were the two to come into a direct duel, because the Iowa is faster it could sit at a further range, granted the Yamato's 18.1 inch guns did have a longer range, their effective range was hugely smaller due to lack of radar.
All the Iowa crew would have done is sit out and pound it into the floor with long range, effective fire, where the Yamato couldn't hit shit.
@purecanaidian Congrats you got the award for the most retarded comment. The Yamato had a good story? Is this when it sat for almost the entire year of 1943 because no commander wanted to use it? When it was chased off by 3 destoryers? When it got more use as a transport ship than a useless battleship? When it failed miserably in its use as the largest kamikaze attempt? The Iowa on the other hand has a story that stretches for almost 50 years. Education is good my friend, learn your history.
@MadMilitiaMen that ended off with it sitting as a museum ship it wasnt the destroyers it was the torpedoes that chased it off get it right and i was talking about operation ten go it went down fighting whit no air cover while all the iowa class does is sit with the aircraft carriers protecting it because the cammander wanted to
put it agaisnt the yamato class because they themselves new that their ships were no match look it up[p the US navy new the that the yamato was more than a
@purecanaidian The Iowa was succesful enough to survive as a museum ship. I mean we could in fact use submarines to open the Yamato up as a museum, we'll call it "The Imperial Japanese museum on how not to build a good battleship"
Simple research tells you that the Iowa's never were in the area to operate against the Yamato. Mainly because it was confined to its home port since it was a massive fuel hog. Simply put however, The Iowa's could do anything the Yamato could and do it better.
@MadMilitiaMen yah like bombard building oh wait the yamato had a further range and a hevier load out The 18 inch mains were 42 km while the iowas were maxed at 37 km and the iowa could not take 19 torpedoes and 29 bombs berfore sinking and to end it you know i just dont care anymore i know i can not change peoples opinions on you tube (especialy yours) so believe what you want to believe and i'll do the same ( the world is very opinionated) ok; i've had enough of writing these comments
@purecanaidian Okay Mate, personally if i was writing complete garbage like you i would have also quit. But before you go a word of advice, research history before trying to debate anything. Until then, stick to something more your level like paintball perhaps.
@MadMilitiaMen wow read my profile and by the way I did research what was in my last comment was all true and it was all stuff the iowa class could never due
@purecanaidian I thought you said you were leaving? Either way, you can claim your research is correct all you want, i'll still be here to enlighten you on the actually correct information. I find it great fun.
@purecanaidian The difference between my thinking and your thinking is that your thinking is simply just that. That and completely wrong. My thinking is actually thought out and has the research to back up and prove it. Point being is that your simple. Cheers
@purecanaidian " i did do research if i didnt i would not know what the yamato even is just hink about that cheers" Horrible english aside, you might be like the million other Yamato fanboys who only know the ship through video games. You obviously didn't do research because everything you posted was complete garbage.
@MadMilitiaMen Incorrect. In a straight gun duel the Yamato would almost probably have won every time. She had much thicker armor than the Iowa's and was a better more stable gun platform. Sure both ships would recieve heavy damage but the final outcome would be inevitable. The Iowa's were built as a fast carrier escort not a answer to Yamato. The projected Montana's would have done that job. Also even HMS vanguard was a better more stable gun platform than the Iowa's.
@fyorbane Sigh, another day another person who doesn't know thier history. Alright mate, i'll put this simply for you. Lets start on the Armour, the Yamato had such thick armour because they couldn't build the same quality of it as America could. Even with a 12in belt, the Iowa had armor almost as good as Yamato. On top of this, the Iowa had a decapping layer over its armour that could strip the cap off of AP shells under 18.5ins. This reduces the Yamato's effectiveness greatly.
@fyorbane Sigh, another day another person who doesn't know thier history. Alright mate, i'll put this simply for you. Lets start on the Armour, the Yamato had such thick armour because they couldn't build the same quality of it as America could. Even with a 12in belt, the Iowa had armor almost as good as Yamato. On top of this, the Iowa had a decapping layer over its armour that could strip the cap off of AP shells under 18.5ins. This reduces the Yamato's effectiveness greatly.
@MadMilitiaMen Actually, if Halsey hadn't been suckered into diverting most of 3rd fleet's strength north at the battle of Leyte Gulf, we might very well have seen how the Yamato would have contended with an Iowa-class ship, Halsey's flagship USS New Jersey. Of course, this assumes that the US fleet carriers would have stayed out of the battle and let the battleships slug it out...
@MadMilitiaMen battleships were built to fuck the enemy during the war. not to build a fancy museum n a good tourist attraction. i personally respect the Yamato more than The lowa. took shit load of torpeados, bombs n about 400 planes to sink that beast atleast.
@laughinbudda01 I find this comment hilarious to say the least. Even more so considering the Yamato never "fucked" ships during the war. It was Japan's great white elephant that when examined turned out to be poorly designed and largely useless. If your were somewhat intelligent, you would also realize that it didnt take that many bombs or torpedoes to sink Yamato. Rather it was already crippled and the Americans kept hammering it. cheers!
yes but yamato battleship is the most important ship ever made. Her guns is 460 mm and iowa battleship has guns of 430/420 mm i dont know, but i think that yamato is the best
nicklovedeltahf 3 weeks ago
@nicklovedeltahf Her guns might be bigger but the Iowa could shoot almost twice as far. With the AP capability nearly identical, the Iowa would destory the Yamato in most engagements. Yamato was far from Important, by that time Aircraft Carriers were the important ships.
MadMilitiaMen 3 weeks ago
@MadMilitiaMen as obvious as it is, you are another thick low IQ yankee that took his WW2 info off TV, "Iowa could shoot twice as far" Yamato's 18.1" guns can fire 27 miles away, iowa's can fire 25 miles away, who has the range advantage now bitch. and whats with the babble about gun accuracy? yamato had millions of mod4 radars, the first salvo she ever fired on a US ship hit its target (the USN gambier bay) as for carriers, she is credited for being the only BB to attack a carrier force and win
dividednations44 3 weeks ago
@dividednations44 Wow, are you actually retarded or just stupid. Yamato fired 200 shells at the Gambier Bay at 20,000yds and only hit twice after it had to move in closer. An accuracy of .5% at any range is pretty horrible. Yamato was piss poor accurate. The Iowa fired at a fleeing jap Destroyer and straddled it at 35,000 yards first salvo. Iowa had better EFFECTIVE RANGE and MASSIVELY BETTER ACCURACY. None of your B.S. is going to change that. Cheers Retard!
MadMilitiaMen 3 weeks ago
@MadMilitiaMen i'm just wondering where did u find that? according to a different source yamato fired with her forward guns and hits was confirmed by the recon plane before the carrier disappeared in the smokescreen.if u have read the book on the musashi when she did gunnery practice at 23miles the shells just hit in front of the target and that was without radar assistance.idk if this will explain the dismal performance at samar but it was due to fatigue from the previous day.
bobbyspongka 1 week ago
@bobbyspongka One source isn't going to cut it mate. The Hits Yamato first registered were actually shells fired by a cruiser. That book also fails to mention that during the numrous other tests, the accuracy of the 18.1 in guns was described by COs as miserable. The targets at 23miles were also had a number of salvos fired at it before the Mushashi even came close. Records show that for anything greater than 20km, the Yamato class was pretty useless.
MadMilitiaMen 1 week ago
@nicklovedeltahf Yamato is the best because she had the heaviest armor on any battleship ever mounted and the heaviest, highest caliber guns with mod4 radars and rangefinders made her a well oiled war machine that is credited for taking the most damage a ship ever took before sinking, her sister the musashi is the second on the list.
dividednations44 3 weeks ago
@dividednations44 Looks like you've pussied out on the other page. Oh well. "heaviest armor on any battleship" And it was still IJN armor. Crap steel. That's why she had so much. "highest caliber guns with mod4 radars and rangefinders" And they were inaccurate too! Oh boy! "she is credited for being the only BB to attack a carrier force and win" She pussied out of the fight, didn't she? And so did the rest of the task force.
iced8383 3 weeks ago
@iced8383 Who was the one to Hide Behind Smoke screens in samar, sonny? Who was the one To Run away Using Speed? And we both know Yamato never fled the fight. She had to manuever away from an incoming torpedo, that put her away from the fight zone. but in what few time she stayed in that fight she sunk a carrier and a DD. nice job Yamato. you kicked yankee mcdonlads ass in 5 minutes
and i see you are soooo uneducated you dont know the battle of midway. what a total idiot
dividednations44 3 weeks ago
@dividednations44 "Who was the one to Hide Behind Smoke screens in samar, sonny?" The USN. Wouldn't you do the same? "but in what few time she stayed in that fight she sunk a carrier and a DD" But she didn't. Back that up. "you kicked yankee mcdonlads ass in 5 minutes" Another ignorant comment from the biggest douchebag on the internet! The USN won at Samar. "you dont know the battle of midway. " Yes I do as a matter of fact. Tell me, who won the Battle of Midway?
iced8383 3 weeks ago
@icedBrain The first Salvo The yamato Ever fired on A ship (using Only her two frontal turrets) Scored Her first Naval Kill Ever. gambier Bay, which Became no more then a Forgotten Wreck after the Yamato fired three more salvos. The Recon plane From the Y Confirmed it, You dont even know there was a counter attack in Midway and you dont even Realize That Yamato Never ran away from the fight, How the fuck are supposed to trust a piece of shit who gets his info from navyfield? SHUT THE FUCK UP
dividednations44 3 weeks ago
@dividednations44 "The first Salvo The yamato Ever fired on A ship (using Only her two frontal turrets) Scored Her first Naval Kill Ever." Back it up. My bad, you can't. Yamato never got close to sinking a ship, let alone hitting one. "You dont even know there was a counter attack in Midway" Midway was no counterattack. It was a defense. "How the fuck are supposed to trust a piece of shit who gets his info from navyfield?" Nope. I get my info from books. While you're using wiki.
iced8383 3 weeks ago
@iced8383 this is coming from a freak with billions of navyfield vids. as if you would get your hands on any books. ok then if you actually do, little archimedes, can you recommend me a bunch? and my proof? oh, If you have a healthy pair of eyes you would look up the Photographs taken from the US DD's of the Yamato faintly visible miles away shelling the shit out of the gambier bay, good time they were. wiki is for losers and so as TV. losers like you
dividednations44 3 weeks ago
@dividednations44 " this is coming from a freak with billions of navyfield vids" It's a pasttime. Also granted you have game footage cluttering your channel, you're a hypocrite. "can you recommend me a bunch?" Incredibly Victory by Walter Lord, Shattered Sword, Afternoon of the Rising Sun, Handbook of World War II just to name a few. Cruisers and destroyers sank the Gambier Bay, not the Yamato. Yamato's FCS was garbage.
iced8383 3 weeks ago
@dividednations44 And BTW, what are your sources? I could use a good laugh.
iced8383 3 weeks ago
@dividednations44 arsehole the Yamato and musashi were crap and both are rusting wrecks on the bottom today. Yamato was badly damage by 1 torpedo fired by US sub in 1943 because its TDS was crap Yamato and 3 other jap BB,s + heavy cruisers ran away from US destoyers and escorts, More filthy jap defeats, Midway, guadalcanal, MarianaTurkey shoot, Leyte Gulf, Surigao Strait, US destroyer Melvin torpedos and sinks jap BB Fuso
jers59 3 weeks ago
Its impossible yamato is the most big battleship
nicklovedeltahf 1 month ago
@nicklovedeltahf Big doesn't mean anything mate. Yamato also had larger guns and more AA guns. Yet Iowa was superior. The Iowa had a vastly superior effective range of guns and the super heavy AP shell nearly had the same power as the larger 18in shells. The Iowa could also put over 3 times the amount of AA fire into the air compared to the Yamato per minute.
MadMilitiaMen 3 weeks ago
I got to admit the Yamato looks smaller & seems to have less guns or mabey I'm just wrong =/
Khazard1000 1 month ago
Can i find the Iowa ship in the german/japanese uboat missons in silent hunter 4? i have the "yamato controlled by player" mod and i want to find the iowa ship and sink her. my date in game right now is june 11,1943.
AdolfJrHitler 2 months ago
In a 1-on-1 death match, my gut feeling is that the Yamato would probably prevail, but for the kind of work the Iowas were actually used for (as fast escorts and AA-screens for the fleet carriers), there were far better suited than the Yamato.
antred11 6 months ago
@antred11 You'd be wrong... Longer effective range, better speed, better steel, better armor protection scheme are in Iowas Quote.... that fire control radar was simply a technological leap that Yamato could not match. It is like Comparing a Cray 1 Supercomputer to my Sandy Bridge Processor-ed 16 GB of RAM 1 Terabyte HD desktop.... Yeah the Cray is a "supercomputer"... it's even HUGE but the generation gap is simply way to much for it to match.
gpwasr10 5 months ago
what game is this?
KatiushaVN4 6 months ago
Guys, wth, how can you use argument that Yamato was actually sunk and Iowa wasnt? I mean the thing that destroyed Yamato want any battleship 1v1, it was a massive air raid that would have destroyed any ship (may I remind you how many good battleships sunk in the Pear Harbor?). If I should name the WW2 key ships in US fleet it would be Enterprise, Yorktown and Hornet in the the most important battle of Midway.
MynickisMi88 6 months ago
The Iowa closs designed around hit and run, hit the enemy before they could do anything and then get out of dodge quicker than they coulld catch up, boh were amazingly beautiful ships, both were designed for a purpose, and both can beat the leaving hell out of eachother, just depends on the scenario and situation you put them in, if its a long range fight then the iowa would score hit after hit after hit and do the most damage, if its closerranged then the yamato would make the iowa swiss cheese
greeneyedkikyo 6 months ago
Each ship would be a force upn itself, each ship had its advantage and disadvantage, the Iowa when built was built to be fast and accurate at long ranges, the yamato was built to hit and hit hard, both are good qulities but with both being built in different times of the war, both were built around two different naval concepts, the yamato following traditional dreadnaught fasion was meant to get in close and fire a braodside and rendering enemy ships unable to fight or sinking to the bottom
greeneyedkikyo 6 months ago
@SuperMightyYAMATO I totally agree. But the German Bismarck-class-Battleships also looked fine.
kuribayashi87 7 months ago
The Yamato was a showpiece, a morale booster. It had no practical uses. The Iowa was accurate and the Yamato was a massive target and the Iowa is a relatively small target. Radar sights vs. Optical, NO COMPETITION! The Iowa was hands down better than any battleship in the world.
Airrage88 7 months ago
@Airrage88 opinion
TheYamato101 7 months ago
@TheYamato101 Other than the final part of my comment it is complete fact you dumbshit. Instead of a one word pussy argument grow a pair and show your points. Which ship sunk again? Oh yeah, the Yamato and her equally shitty sister ship. Someone else stated accurately that she was more effective as a transport ship than a battleship. What ship was recommissioned several times after WW2? The Iowa and her sister ships. I know the Yamato wasn't because a school of fish had rented it out.
Airrage88 7 months ago
Alright now that purecanaidian has gone on his merry way, anyone else want to step up and discuss the Iowa v. Yamato class. I'm always happy to put Yamato fanboys in thier place.
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen im happy to put iowa fan-boys in there place
TheYamato101 7 months ago
@TheYamato101 - Okay this Iowa "fanboy" would love to see what you got. Besides the wife being from Iowa, here's why I'd take the Iowa over the Yamato:
1: Speed (Iowa at least 5+ knts faster)
2: RoF
3: Mark 13 FCS
4: DC
5: Radar that could range OTH, especially useful at night
6: Use of STS in interior vertical surfaces to all but eliminate splintering
I'd like to see your reasoning to pick a decent target for the Iowa to sink
;-D
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1 yamato has better hitting 18.1in guns.no they had the same rof.could sustain more damage.better hitting 6in gun.could out range iowa.more durable radar
TheYamato101 7 months ago
@TheYamato101 - Okay, let me get this straight and make sure I'm not quoting you incorrectly. You feel the Yamato had better:
1: Guns - 18.1" hits harder, see I agree with that but perhaps not a great a punch as you may believe
2: 16" and 18.1" have the same RoF - that is incorrect Mark 7 16"/50 RPM 1.5-2, 18.1" 1-1.5 where did you get your numbers?
3: Yamato would take more damage - agreed but the Iowa was easier repaired and USN DC was light years ahean of too often fatalistic IJN practises
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1 no yamato gun fired 2 to 2.5 rounds a min every where i cheak the what it says.is the fight if iowa gets repaired so does yamato.iowa had deliqute radar pieces
TheYamato101 7 months ago
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1i got it from wiki,history channel(dogfights),and combined fleet.com
TheYamato101 7 months ago
@TheYamato101 "got it from wiki,history channel(dogfights),and combined fleet.com" okay, let's go and check those sources:
Wiki: RoF 18.1 - for the 40cm/45 Type 94 Naval Gun - 2 RPM
History Channel: Depends on which vid you watched
Combined Fleet: Gives a Firing Cycle of 30 sec, which is 2 RPM but check out Footnote 4 on the Guns where 30 secs is training
From Navweapons it gives the 18.1 RPM of 1.5 to 2, which is better than what I thought of 1 to 1.5 RPM and the Iowa RPM of 2
sol3a1 7 months ago
@TheYamato101 - So looks like the Yamato had a maximum, training, RPM of 1.5 to 2 when he fired about as fast as he could. For Iowa from those sources:
Wiki Mark 7 16/50: 2 RPM
History Channel: Again all over the place
Combined Fleet: 2 RPM - same as Yamato
Navweapons: 2 RPM
What the Combined fleet says about reloads times is the barrel must be brought to 3 degrees. Firing at long range means moving the barrel back
Iowa moves at 12 deg/sec while Yamato moves at 8 deg/sec
Iowa 2 > Yamato 1.5 to 2
sol3a1 7 months ago
@TheYamato101 - Part 2 - continuing the discussion of why you think the Yamato is better than the Iowa. Now the rest:
4: His 6" secondaries have better range than the US 5"/38 DP - Range is true but the RoF for his 5" and 6" guns were much lower than her 5". Also, the US 5" DP had the same FCS and Radar as her 16"
5: His radar was "more durable"? Not sure what you mean by this. One thing I do know is that the Radars on the "new" US BBs, BB55 and up have few if any operational issues mid '43 on
sol3a1 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen - purecanadian is a travesty to all my friends "over the border". His idea of research is to read something and twist it until it says what he wants it to say
I guess I'm an "Iowa fanboy" too
In WW2, if I had to trust my life going mano e mano on one gunship, it'll be the Iowa
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1 I consider myself a "Battleship Fanboy" personally. But when i see these moron's talking about how the Yamato was an unsinkable supership, i feel the need to teach them the actual facts.
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen - I agree. If the Yamato had the US radar and Mark 37 FCS, he'd be "The One". To me Iowas are better not because I'm American nor that my wife is from Iowa, but because when you look at the whole Battleship, she had the goods
The Battleship Iowa that is - leave my wife out of this discussion ;-D
sol3a1 7 months ago
Gotta give it to 'em, were this to have actually happened this would have been the longest 7 minutes of any sailors life.
SgtShnackendale 7 months ago
The Iowa-Class would probably win this fight simply due to the vastly better radar controlled main guns.
Doxie79 9 months ago
First of all they had to shell it with torpedoes to sink the yamoto they would never had used ships to fight her she would have beat the hell out of them thats why they sent carrriers after her instead they knew a ship to ship issue would be a complete loss so they threw every plane they had at her.The very reason battleships are out of date they cant defend air strikes well.
korzon 9 months ago
The comments are stupid, those in the "highest rated" should both be marked as having too many negative votes (like this comment likely will be). Iowa would have beaten Yamato.
Explanation upon request.
Contrajoe 9 months ago
@Contrajoe Four of us thrashed this out ad nauseum about six months ago--sol3a1 (Iowa) and I, and a guy named guns777 (Yam) in particular . Can't remember the 4th guy (Iowa). It would not have been a slam-dunk for either side, and although there are legitimate reasons for a person to favour one over the other, it would have been ugly, and no sane man would want to be on either of these monsters. Personally, I favour the Yamatos, but there are arguments each way.
wilmanric1 9 months ago
@wilmanric1 "no sane man would want to be on either of these monsters"
I guess I'm insane. I would feel honored to be allowed to set foot on either ship, and I'd do almost anything if it guaranteed a chance to serve on one in combat.
Also, Iowa's armor was certainly thinner, but it was much better in quality. That said, I don't think that even Yamato's own armor could have stood up to an 18" armor piercing round. Now, an H-44 class ship (semi unrelated) is different, I think.
Contrajoe 9 months ago
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I'd have to check.
Contrajoe 9 months ago
@Contrajoe There's an interesting report where the USN post-war tested captured plate intended for Shinano before her conversion. Could not penetrate the main turret armour with the US 16" except at 0 range and 0 degrees impact. At combat ranges, the main guns + barbettes would have been invulnerable. Iowa's armour supposed to be better, but I've never seen objective tests. If you have found some pls, pls, pls fwd the link! I'd love to see them. Same for test on the "super heavy" 16's.
wilmanric1 9 months ago
@Contrajoe what if they built the super yamoto 20.1 inch main guns
purecanaidian 9 months ago
@purecanaidian Then no armor in the world could stand up to that ship, and any battle involving it would have been absolutely incredible, to say the VERY least.
Contrajoe 9 months ago
Both the Iowa and Yamoto where outstanding fighting vessels. However the Yamoto was almost twice the size of the Iowa. The Iowa had more modern equipment, but better fire control systems alone would not compensate for the massive displacement differences and sheer power of the Yamato guns. It's like saying an Olympian shooter could offset the difference between his rifle and a nuclear blast.
XxxSakura101 10 months ago
@XxxSakura101 - Disagree
1: Iowa's 16" were almost as good as the Yamato's 18.1"
2: The shells aren't rifles vs bombs, it is very close
3: Yamato was a slugger, Iowa a nimble fighter
4: Iowa was 52kt vs Yamato's 70kt
5: Iowa could see and shout over the horizon
sol3a1 10 months ago
@XxxSakura101 It's not like that at all.
Contrajoe 9 months ago
the only way the Iowa class could beat the yamato is if there were about 10 - 12 of them
sinjmaster 10 months ago
@sinjmaster - Nope. The Iowa was a fighter, accurate and fast. The Yamato is a brawler not as fast, and would want to slug it out in a broom closet
The Iowa (she/her) could see the Yamato (he/him) because her radar was superior to what he had. While he had longer range, the rage was over the Horizon, aka out of sight. She could see things over the horizon via radar
In a batter between all Iowas vs Yamato and Musashi, the Iowas would win. They would send 6 times as many shells as the 2 behemoths
sol3a1 10 months ago
By the time that we got to the Yamato (remember, the Japanese couldn't risk it in battle because of the symbolic nature of the ship for propaganda back home), It was the last ship for the Japanese navy, and was crewed by a bunch of trainees.
You could've put an entire year's worth of production from Bethlehem steel into that damn ship and it still would've sank to the bottom of the ocean with the rest of the Jap Turds.
Hiei2k7 11 months ago
Ha! Bullshit! The Iowa class had no chance against the yamato! The Iowa had not so much Armour as the Yamato, on the other hand it was faster and possible to follow the carrier Task forces. In a direct duel, the Yamato would have blown the Iowa into parts!
I am sure that you have manned the Iowa with an expienced crew and the yamato with novice.
kuribayashi87 11 months ago 7
@kuribayashi87 "The Iowa class had no chance against the yamato" not in a broom closet but the Iowa and her sisters had a higher RoF, arguably the best FCS in any navy, radar that could see over the horizon and US DC practices were the best in the world
"In a direct duel, the Yamato would have blown the Iowa into parts!" in a 1 on 1 vs the Yamato, the Iowa would've had the the upper hand as she could see him long before the other way around. The Iowa didn't need to hull him, just the decks
sol3a1 11 months ago
@kuribayashi87 "I am sure that you have manned the Iowa with an expienced crew and the yamato with novice" which is basically what you had in WW2. When the Yamato was not in port on the main islands, he was a floating hotel for dignitaries
The Iowa was on station and patrol far more then Yamato
Of course you give the Yamato the Iowa's FCS, DC and crew, you got a winner there.
sol3a1 11 months ago
@kuribayashi87 very true, how retarded that game is, iowa would'nt stand a serious chance at all when facing massive 18 inch guns and this is bullshit how come iowa is firing her secondary battery already? the yamato possessed secondary batteries used to serve as the main guns on heavy cruisers, yamato carried over 200 AA guns and its armor was ten times more thick, but your statement about yamato bieng faster is not true, iowa is much faster, iowa could go 35 knots max and yamato 27 knots max
dividednation44 10 months ago
@dividednation44 - the most retarded is the skipper of the Iowa getting that close to the Yamato. The Iowa dtermines the range and if there's a fight at all
Her radar can see the splashes of missed shells vs the Yamato (him) and relay that instantly to the gun crews, his radar was not tied into the FC
So again, barring the magic BB, the Iowa wins at range while like putting a fast boxer in a broom closet vs a big goon, loses if he catches her at close range
sol3a1 10 months ago
@dividednation44 Sorry my english isnt so well. Sure, i also mean that the iowa-Class is faster.
kuribayashi87 10 months ago
@kuribayashi87 There's something you missed. There were four Iowa's and two Yamato's. Consider that fight!
Contrajoe 9 months ago
@kuribayashi87 You obviously have not researched the Wild Rose very well. The Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, Wisconsin, and their two never completed sisters had one HUGE advantage over the Yamato and Musashi. ACCURACY! True enough, had the Yamato been able to connect with 2 or 3 of its 18 inch shells, it would have been disastrous. But most experts agree that the combined accuracy and maneuverability gave the Americans a huge advantage that would have prevailed 8 out of 10 times.
SunsetConductor 8 months ago
@kuribayashi87 - Wrong, the Yamato had no chance against the Iowa. She outclassed him in everything but "biggest guns" and thick hide
Both are worthless when you can't hit your opponent and they're tossing 2700lbs shells on your thinest armor, the stuff on your deck
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1 Wow you are ignorant. The Yamato was built to fight other Battleships, the Iowa was built as a fast battleship. Think about it. Do you really think that the Iowa outclassed the Yamato? From wich propaganda-movie you got your information?
kuribayashi87 7 months ago
@kuribayashi87 "Wow you are ignorant" and good morning to you too. Do you always come out with the sweet talk first?
"The Yamato was built to fight other Battleships, the Iowa was built as a fast battleship" Iowas are battleships that are also fast
"Do you really think that the Iowa outclassed the Yamato?" as built, yes
"From wich propaganda-movie you got your information?" none, just history
Do you know how the Yamato fared when he got in battle?
What makes the Yamato the best in your mind?
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1 As i said. You are ignorant. Do you really think that the Iowa with its relatively poor Armor would have had a chance? I doubt that. And on the other hand, the Yamato had the more poweful guns, too. These factors make the Yamato to a better ship in a direct fight. Look at the Battel of Jutland, where the Germans had the better armor. In consequence, the british lost very more ships. So i think that the Yamato could take very more punishment than the Iowas. That is the reason.
kuribayashi87 7 months ago
@kuribayashi87 "As i said. You are ignorant" and it looks like you're a douche bag. Wow, that's fun now isn't it? Are you going to continue to hurl insults or do you really have anything to say?
"Do you really think that the Iowa with its relatively poor Armor would have had a chance?" wow 2 mistakes in just one sentence
1: Iowa and relatively poor armor - heard of the "all or nothing" concept and STS which was inside the ship too
2: "had a chance" - as built Iowa wins far more times over Yamato
sol3a1 7 months ago
@kuribayashi87 - Let's continue here "Yamato had the more poweful guns" which means squat if he can't hit and even then, the Iowa will not just "up and die" if she's hit just once or even several times. Her armor is made to cap AP shells (look that up) and USN DC was the best
"These factors make the Yamato to a better ship in a direct fight" that makes Yamato a brawler who hits real hard and has an iron chin but she's a fast boxer unless fighting in a broom closet make Yamato swing wild and miss
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1 The thing most people don't know about Yamato's guns is when they shot at a target they didn't need to hit the target to cause massive damage..because the shells were designed to explode under the water and cause damage at the keel where all naval vessels are weakest.
The Japanese also used special colored dyes that would be a tell tale sign of what gun made what splash making angle changes much more effective.
Navyfieldguy 5 months ago
@Navyfieldguy:
You really don't know why they used colored dyes do you? Colored dyes were used to tell the FCs which shells belonged to which ship to help them see how close they were. Compared to the FCS of the US BBs that could see their shell splashes on the Radar!
OBTW, almost all shells explode under water and the distance to actually effect a ship as well armored as any "modern WW2" BB was in single digit meters
US BB FCS was the best, hands down. The Iowa would win in a 1on1 vs Yamato
sol3a1 5 months ago
@Navyfieldguy Hearing you repeat time after time "Iowa was designed as a carrier escort" is hilarious. Why would a heavily armed and armored ship be designed for carrier escort first? Say you're designing a battleship. Would you design it as a carrier escort first and battleship second, or would you design it to duke it out with other battleships and win, and then as a carrier escort? Simply put a battleship is never designed as a carrier escort over a gunfighter.
iced8383 3 months ago
@iced8383: Actually "Iowa was designed as a carrier escort" should really say that it was redesigned that way. USN BBs were able to put up so much lead with the introduction of the Quad 40s that they looked as they were on fire
I think the USS Enterprise radioed USS SoDak after the SoDak cut loose with her AAA, "Are you hit? Are you on fire", (like that) when it was all her AAA
USN BBs were versatile: could shoot down planes (SoDak splash 25+ in one battle) or go 1 on 1 with any BB
sol3a1 3 months ago
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NezbittheGreyKitten 2 months ago
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@sol3a1 I was just wondering, I had always hear Anti-Aircraft fire abbreviated as "AA". What is the third "A" for in your paragraph here? One more thing - "SoDak" = South Dakota? Thanks!
NezbittheGreyKitten 2 months ago
@kuribayashi87 "Look at the Battel of Jutland, where the Germans had the better armor" wow, using WW1 tech and tactics in WW2?
Ever heard of the Mark 37 FCS? It was the way Taffy 3 kept putting their 5" shells into the superstructures of the IJN CA off of Samar. Guess what Iowa had that too
So Yamato had "big guns and thick armor" he was slower, used optics had to move in a relatively straight line to fire, etc
She could do 540 deg turns followed by figure 8 and maintain a lock and still fire
sol3a1 7 months ago
@kuribayashi87 "So i think that the Yamato could take very more punishment than the Iowas" never argued otherwise but with the Iowa having true blindfight ability as her radar could see over the horizon, OTH, and his couldn't, she'd drop shells on his decks and dishing out punishment to him while he's still trying to see her
Iowa had every other advantage over Yamato
She was better in FCS, radar and accuracy. Her 16" shells would hurt him bad and they can't hit you, bigger and thicker mean squat
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1 Ok. do you really understand what I say? You only repeat the same statements. Look at this video. This fight took place at good weather. In this case the Yamato would be superior. But it is senceless to discuss with american Dilettantes like you. Can't you accept that other nations had better vessels than the U.S.? What comes next? Do you want to tell me that the Sherman was superior to the Tiger-tank?
kuribayashi87 7 months ago 3
@kuribayashi87 ""Ok. do you really understand what I say? You only repeat the same statements. Look at this video. This fight took place at good weather" I understand you but as for repeating the same old lines, that is you with the "bigger gun, etc"
As for "perfect weather on a clear day" why didn't the Iowa begin firing at 30k-35k where the Yamato would've had a difficult time even spotting her?
Why wasn't the Iowa ducking and dodging more? Iowa could easily cut and dink and still hit him
sol3a1 7 months ago
@kuribayashi87 "Can't you accept that other nations had better vessels than the U.S.?" yes I can but Yamato wasn't one of them
"Do you want to tell me that the Sherman was superior to the Tiger-tank?" hell no. Shermans were huge POS, "tracked coffins" whose only saving grace was that the US made so damn many
But it is senceless to discuss with american Dilettantes like you" Let me help you out here: This is what you really said:
"This American handed me my ass as his had the far better argument"
sol3a1 7 months ago
@kuribayashi87 - Anytime you wish to show your blatant disregard for facts or "The US is always wrong cause it is inhabited by idiots" sentiment again, I'll be happy to spank you again and put you in your place
sol3a1 7 months ago
@sol3a1 Hell. This discussion is ridiculous....
kuribayashi87 7 months ago
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@kuribayashi87 "Hell. This discussion is ridiculous..." what you said, yes was ridiculous. You are seduced by the "bigness of the guns" and "how thick it, the armor, is". That's porn for the superficial
You haven't been able to show how the Yamato could even hit the Iowa when she held all the cards
Here's a hint: Pull the Mark 37 FCS and Radar suite from Iowa and put them on the Yamato - then you'd have a true terror of the seas
Problem's "as is in '42" and commissioned early '43 Iowa is better
sol3a1 7 months ago
@kuribayashi87 The Iowa had Radar/computer fire control, the Yamato did not. The muzzle velocity of the Iowa's main battery was also superior, Not to mention she fired a super heavy 16 inch shell that was the equal of the japanese 18 inch. FYI, RE the Sherman vs Tiger, the Tiger had superior Armor and a bigger gun. The Sherman was faster, far more reliable mechanically and btw could fire on the move (gyrostabilized gun) while the Tiger could not, thought you'd like to know:)
biancademonet 4 months ago
@biancademonet TERRIBLE comparison. The Tiger by itself outgunned the Sherman by all means.
initvesa 1 week ago
@sol3a1 Also its a fact that US radar was advanced, its also a fact that they were extremely sensitive to shock from impact. Just one near miss or direct hit from a 3200 pound 18.1 inch shell could possibly render the radar advantage to a major disadvantage, being the Iowa crew would be dependent on the radar working.
Navyfieldguy 5 months ago
@Navyfieldguy:
Bull pucky, sources please. The US DDs facing off the Yamato, another IJN BB, 2 BCs, several CAs and LCs, and a butt load of other DDs didn't see to have any problem with their radar in the battle of Taffy 3
They were out gunned and ran out of ammo peppering CA and LC super structures with radar controlled 5" guns.
Sources please for this "glass jaw" of US BBs as they fired their own 16" with no ill effect to their radar
Again the "blow back of an 18.1" could do what again"?
sol3a1 5 months ago
HELL, it would not even need to penitrate Yamato's thick ass hull or turrets, just wash the Super Stucture off the deck along with the Bridge and fire control. HAHAHA
Yamato is impressive... but not the strongest.
gpwasr10 1 year ago
Armor is not an issue... Iowa would never even be in Yamatos effective range. Iowa could shoot over the horizon (Via Mk 13 Gunnery Radar) and hit with astounding accuracy day or night... and she was MUCH faster... so she also choose the range of the engagement.
You do the math.
gpwasr10 1 year ago
@gpwasr10 7 knots of speed matter really a lot in a battle fought over thousands of miles. the accuracy of the iowa computer controlled guns was not astounding, today they are but then it was just better then normal aiming, not incredibly better, but just better. on very long ranges it doesnt matter if the guns are radar controlled or human, accuracy will always suffer. armor is not an issue? the battlecruiser failed exactly because of that. the yamato can take a far higher beating then iowa.
charchadonto 11 months ago
@charchadonto Thousand of miles, try about 35- 40... Do you understand what the difference in tech here is? I don't think you have a clue. The Iowa can (and will) stay OVER THE HORIZON where Yamato cannot see her... then pound her flat. Google "Blind Fire" and "USS Iowa". I like the Yamato... but this really is not a fair fight for her. Mk 13 was NOT simply "barely better then the Mk I eyeball".. it was VASTLY superior to ANYTHING else in service at the time. I suggest you do your research here.
gpwasr10 11 months ago
@gpwasr10 i know i made a slip up with the miles, were i come from we use meters and i confused the 2. i didnt see it until i already had replied. still you are wrong too. during world war 2 the iowa didnt posses mk 13. those were installed in the late 1945 when the war was practically over. still the mk 8 could see farther then the guns were able to shoot i give you that. it is a major advantage. but the yamato had a major advantage too. see next reply.
charchadonto 11 months ago
@charchadonto Ahhh, I was like "Thousands?" Anyways, Iowas 16"/50 were more then capable of penetrating Yamato's deck armor with plunging fire at the ranges we are talking about as she had better long range ballistics then the 18.1" guns of Yamatos (Fact, look it up), she will hit with 55% or better odds from over the horizon... where Yamatos's optical rangefinders cannot see her.
gpwasr10 11 months ago
@gpwasr10 the penetration ability of the shells fired by the iowa are 3/4 of those of the yamato's and the armor of the iowa is only capable of defeating his own rounds on a small area, around the magazines and engines the armor is insufficient to defeat even it own guns. so that means that the iowa is not capable of blowing through the armor of the yamato in an instant, but the yamato is. this extra thoughness can be used to close distance. since keeping distance is hard firing broadside.
charchadonto 11 months ago
@charchadonto Iowas big guns will destroy Yamato's ability to fight by making a disaster of the super structure and fire control. Iowa does not have to sink her to win this fight, just make her operationally useless for the Japanese, who would not have the resources to repair her. Iowa would not even get touched in the fight.
gpwasr10 11 months ago
@gpwasr10 ah, well i have one final argument and it is the best one, why the iowa vs yamato would go to yamato. very simple, the iowa was never build to take on the yamato at all it was build for carrier escort duty. the class that was designed for taking on the yamato was the montana class, which would have been far more armored and would had four 16''/50 guns. the yamato on the other hand was designed to take on 3-4 battleschips of the new york class. so 1 iowa is more then possible
charchadonto 11 months ago
@charchadonto Yamato's fire control is simply to big a handicap my friend. I like the Big 'Mato too bro., and I have read many books about her (Titans of the Rising Sun is good, it's a quick read, but well worth it). But I think you way undervalue Speed and the huge technological gap between the two ships. It is like comparing a 4th gen fighter (Ala F-15) to a 5th Generation fighter (Ala F-22)... One is the greatest of her generation... the other represents an entirely new train of thought.
gpwasr10 11 months ago
@Charchandonto Also, it was a fun debate! Thanks, not alot of us Battlewagon-Philes anymore. What I thought would be great would have been if one of the Yaqmatos would have survived the war... That would be something truly amazing to actually physically see.
gpwasr10 11 months ago
@gpwasr10 yeah seeing yamato in real life would be great. and it was a fun debate indeed.
charchadonto 11 months ago
@gpwasr10 The iowa was updated many times what was it like at that time is more important.When dealing with big guns its the armour that counts they used torpedos to sink the yamoto they diddnt have a ship near her or she would have torn them in peices they struck her with a couple aircraft carriers if it were ship to ship America would have had a hard time sinking her and she had no escort barely and NO air support They had to lob everything they had to sink her go read the books about it.
korzon 9 months ago
@korzon Iowa had that radar Package from DAY 1. Armor is a non issue in this fight as Yamato would have been extremely lucky to land even one blow vs. Iowa at the ranges Iowa would be slamming shells into her Superstructure and deck with alarming frequency. Weather she sunk her or not Iowa would make Yamato Operationally ineffective . Iowa had a MUCH LONGER effective range and she choose the range of the fight with her 5 knot speed advantage. Iowa was the Apex in Battleship design.
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@gpwasr10 "at the ranges Iowa would be slamming shells into her Superstructure and deck with alarming frequency."
What sort of range do you believe this rain of destruction to occur at?
wilmanric1 9 months ago
@gpwasr10 it was also the last design made in the us but the yamoto just had to hit it ounce to decimate it completly and that is true an 19 inch gun is very big and is thhe difference between 16 inch and the iowa was a fast battleship designed to be faster with a little less armour
purecanaidian 9 months ago
@purecanaidian Read everything I wrote, then use google to verify it, then make your case. Yamato's guns were strong, but as strong as they were... hitting a target over the horizon was simply not possible for Yamato... but easy for the American ship. In a fight of this magnitude the first connected salvo would decide the winner as Iowas Guns were more then adequate to cause crippling damage. Do not discount the US Mk 17 for power, these guns were designed to use the 2,700 pound AP Mark 8.
gpwasr10 9 months ago
@gpwasr10 it is very possible if they aimed and tried they could do it they went noobs operating the battle ship they were the most experienced they ijn had
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian Despite being the "best" crew the IJN had, during a major review of the Yamato's gunnery in 1943, the high command was disgusted by the poor abilities demostrated by both the ship and the crew. The Yamato was not all that it was cracked up to be.
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen neither was the iowa
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@gpwasr10 the aromour of the yammoto was built to with stand 18 inch naval gun fire which the iowas did not have the iowa could with stand 16 inch my point is still valid plus the yammolto had way better air defenses when it wwas refitted in 1943 which was when the iowa was made
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian Oh my god, the complete lack of common knowledge on this comment makes my eyes burn. Go to a webiste called combinedfleet and look up battleship comparisons. It will tell you all you need to know about the Yamato and its poor design.
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen its poor design the musashi took 14 100 pulnd bombs and 19 torpedoes to go down thats not a poor design the iowa would have gone down after probably 5 bombs and 4 torpedoes so no it is not a poor design
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian The Iowa class would have been able to easily put much more flak into the air compared to the Yamato class. American damage control was second to none during WW2 and way ahead of Japan. And if you look into that website i already listed you would learn that the Iowa's armour was much better designed to take damage from Torpedoes and bombs. The Iowa had a much better design than the Yamato.
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen thats all from an american standpoint of veiw you are just upset and dont want to agree that maybe some other country bested you in making someting to do with war the yamato was a perfectly designed ship and so was the iowa and it only had 20 5 inch dp and 40 20 mm while yamato had 24 5 inch dp guns and 109 20mm anti air guns so your wroung the yamato can put up way more flak than the iowa
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian The overall flak comment on both ships shows your complete lack of intelligence. The Iowa's 20 5in guns could put up 17,500 pounds of flak per minute. The Yamato's 24 5in guns could only manage 13,500 due to thier slower firing cycles. On top of that the Iowa's 5in guns were more accurate and the proximity fuses increased thier AA capabilties by 50%. I won't even start on the smaller AA guns because you got the information completely wrong. Education is good.
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen the 20 mm aa's do make a differecne and my information is not wrong just admit the japenese bested america in one thing and the mk 12 guns on the iowa shat 15 rpm while the type 3s on the yamato shot 10 rpm but had four more plus the 18.1 inch anti air Sanshiki round and the 155 mm triple guns are also dual purpose so every gun on the yamato is hual purpose and can be used to fend off air attacks something the iowa lacks and the belt on the yamato is thicker than the iowa`s
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian The Yamato did not have 20mm guns, it had 152 23mm guns in triple housings. Capable of putting 10,100 lbs of lead into the air. Likewise the Iowa had 80 40mm & 50 20mm guns capable of putting 31,000 lbs of weight into the air. The yamato's 23mm weapons were poor AA weapons as they elevated and rotated extremely slowly and they had to stop firing to reload. The 18.1 beehive round was rather useless and the 6in guns fired to slowly to be of any help in the AD role.
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen actualy it ha 162 25 mm rounds and the beehive round is useful and the 6 inch guns might be slow but still are better than what the iowa had and the aa guns moved fast they were only slow during operation ten go because a bomb took out the sips power
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian The 25mm guns moved slow all the time, even when the Yamato had power so that was a lame arguement. The 6in guns or 5in were not better than the Iowa's 5in when it came to AA. So that's another equally lame counter-arguement. The beehive round was far from useful. As i already said it disrupted smaller AA guns and could only be used once. On top of that they did alot of damage to the barrels, the Musashi used the rounds during the Sibuyan Sea battle which disabled one of her guns
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen lame argument thats not a rebutal your atacking my argument so you are distraught as in fear of losing an argument over something you like you pickat the smallest details while missing the biggest picture the yamato class was a one of a kind class they will never happen again and were designed to be the best and they were the best
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian Lol, first your arguements were complete shit and now your grammer has gone all to hell too. The Yamato class would do well never to arise again as it would be a waste. They were far from the best. You must get your information from video games. You probably think the A150 class would have been good too. Do yourself a favor and study such topics in depth before posting such thoughtless arguements.
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen the montana class was designed as a match for the yamato class and the a150 class had key upgrades to it the montana is just a iowa with an extra gun turret the two montana hulls were used for the last 2 iowa classes
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen oh yah and the yammatos main 18 inch cannons also had a special anti air flak incindary round that they fired now you cannot say thats not a lot a flak
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian The 18in beehive round was built yet it was largely useless. It could fire once at the approaching aircraft but it could not engage at close range because it's guns couldn't track aircraft. The blast also disrupted the 25mm guns and diminished what little AA capabilities they possesed. On top of that the round was very harsh on the gun and severely reduced the barrel's life. While novel, the beehive round was less effective then the smaller AA guns.
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen better a broken barrel than a sunken ship the beehive was a last resort weapon it was effective at longer ranges and the 25 mm had great aa properties
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen oh yeah and the super heavy shell the iowa used limited its gun barrels life to
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian Here you are after 2 weeks and your first comment shows that you should have used said time to research. Yes the super heavy shell wore the barrel down slightly faster than the standard 16in round, but the Iowa still enjoyed a longer barrel life than other battleships. The Yamato's beehive round did not wear down its barrels, it damaged them, sometimes seriously. During the Musashi's final engagement, its use of beehive rounds actually disabled one of its guns.
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen it disabled the barrel and its better aving a downed gun than a sunken battleship they were last ditch attempt shells and the radar of the american ships did have its limits because the americans relied on it the japenese relied on scouting and that gives you a better idea of the target and fighting agaisnt an enemy thats not afraid to die makes it just that much tougher
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian Jesus christ, it feels like i'm reading a child's comments. Better having a broken barrel than a sunken ship. In case you didn't know, the musashi did in fact sink. On top of that, the beehive round never was confirmed to have even downed ANY american planes. Then we have american radar that is superior to spotter aircraft as it is more exact and can be used at night and during bad weather. Being unafraid to die isn't much of a strategy, it certainly didn't help thier fleet at all
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen the radar can be fooled it was still pretty basic bac then all it took was a plane with tin foil to do it and the beehive was never confirmed by american planes because they were in a battle most of them did not record exactly what happened its a very sketchy topic and being unafraid to die did help ever heard of kamikaze or divine wind attacks that certanly didnt do any damage at all to the alied fleet at iow jima and okinawa notice the sarcasm thank u
purecanaidian 8 months ago
@purecanaidian Cause Japanese planes carried tin foil right. LOL, god you are retarded. Even the Japanese never claimed a kill with beehive, except when they shot down five of thier own zeros during excercises. As for the Kamikazes, ever seen the number of them it took to do the relatively minor overall damage. For every Kamikaze hit, hundreds had been lost due to the superior allied AA guns. Notice my correct English and better Information? Course not because you are simple. Cheers!
MadMilitiaMen 8 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen cheers its fucking youtube i just fucking type it and dont care about my grammar or any otheer of that shit and i was making a point that radar can be fooled i never said they carried tinfoil on there planes and kamikazes still took out 34 ships and damaged 368 and the japenese navy did not car about losing thoses men because they were minimaly trained notice my improper english goodby
purecanaidian 7 months ago
@purecanaidian Lol, angry retard is angry. You cannot back up your childish arguements and so you get pissed off. But back to the kamikazes, to sink 47 navy ships (only major vessels being 3 CVEs and 14 destoryers) Japan lost 2800 aircraft and thier crews. So overall, a large waste for largely minimal damage. But hey, at least those pilots did more damage than that giant waste of steel we all know as the Yamato class.
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen yah giant waste of steel just like the iowa class at least the yamato has a good story behind it what did the iowa do sit off islands and fire
purecanaidian 7 months ago
@purecanaidian You what mate? A good story? You think the Japs built 2 of the biggest battleships ever created to put good stories behind them?
You think they sent the Yamato on a suicide mission to capture a good story?
I have to ask you, are you 12?
If not the case, are you retarded?
If not the case, are you uneducated?
If not the case, do you just have no bloody clue what you're talking about?
It's ok to say you've lost an arguement, but what you're doing makes you sound stupid as shit.
SgtShnackendale 7 months ago
@SgtShnackendale its ok to say that your wrong to some armies dont give a shit about fuel consumption and no im 15 no im not mentaly slow and no im not uneducated and i do know what im talking about
purecanaidian 7 months ago
@purecanaidian Clearly you don't!! Everything you have argued yet is complete bullshit.
To put it bluntly, were the two to come into a direct duel, because the Iowa is faster it could sit at a further range, granted the Yamato's 18.1 inch guns did have a longer range, their effective range was hugely smaller due to lack of radar.
All the Iowa crew would have done is sit out and pound it into the floor with long range, effective fire, where the Yamato couldn't hit shit.
That is FACT my boy.
SgtShnackendale 7 months ago
@purecanaidian Congrats you got the award for the most retarded comment. The Yamato had a good story? Is this when it sat for almost the entire year of 1943 because no commander wanted to use it? When it was chased off by 3 destoryers? When it got more use as a transport ship than a useless battleship? When it failed miserably in its use as the largest kamikaze attempt? The Iowa on the other hand has a story that stretches for almost 50 years. Education is good my friend, learn your history.
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen that ended off with it sitting as a museum ship it wasnt the destroyers it was the torpedoes that chased it off get it right and i was talking about operation ten go it went down fighting whit no air cover while all the iowa class does is sit with the aircraft carriers protecting it because the cammander wanted to
put it agaisnt the yamato class because they themselves new that their ships were no match look it up[p the US navy new the that the yamato was more than a
purecanaidian 7 months ago
@purecanaidian The Iowa was succesful enough to survive as a museum ship. I mean we could in fact use submarines to open the Yamato up as a museum, we'll call it "The Imperial Japanese museum on how not to build a good battleship"
Simple research tells you that the Iowa's never were in the area to operate against the Yamato. Mainly because it was confined to its home port since it was a massive fuel hog. Simply put however, The Iowa's could do anything the Yamato could and do it better.
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago 5
@MadMilitiaMen yah like bombard building oh wait the yamato had a further range and a hevier load out The 18 inch mains were 42 km while the iowas were maxed at 37 km and the iowa could not take 19 torpedoes and 29 bombs berfore sinking and to end it you know i just dont care anymore i know i can not change peoples opinions on you tube (especialy yours) so believe what you want to believe and i'll do the same ( the world is very opinionated) ok; i've had enough of writing these comments
purecanaidian 7 months ago
@purecanaidian Okay Mate, personally if i was writing complete garbage like you i would have also quit. But before you go a word of advice, research history before trying to debate anything. Until then, stick to something more your level like paintball perhaps.
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen wow read my profile and by the way I did research what was in my last comment was all true and it was all stuff the iowa class could never due
purecanaidian 7 months ago
@purecanaidian - Your research leaves much to be desired. Wanna come out and play again?
sol3a1 7 months ago
@purecanaidian I thought you said you were leaving? Either way, you can claim your research is correct all you want, i'll still be here to enlighten you on the actually correct information. I find it great fun.
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen yes think what you want
purecanaidian 7 months ago
@purecanaidian The difference between my thinking and your thinking is that your thinking is simply just that. That and completely wrong. My thinking is actually thought out and has the research to back up and prove it. Point being is that your simple. Cheers
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen i did do research if i didnt i would not know what the yamato even is just hink about that cheers
purecanaidian 7 months ago
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@purecanaidian " i did do research if i didnt i would not know what the yamato even is just hink about that cheers" Horrible english aside, you might be like the million other Yamato fanboys who only know the ship through video games. You obviously didn't do research because everything you posted was complete garbage.
MadMilitiaMen 7 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen Incorrect. In a straight gun duel the Yamato would almost probably have won every time. She had much thicker armor than the Iowa's and was a better more stable gun platform. Sure both ships would recieve heavy damage but the final outcome would be inevitable. The Iowa's were built as a fast carrier escort not a answer to Yamato. The projected Montana's would have done that job. Also even HMS vanguard was a better more stable gun platform than the Iowa's.
fyorbane 6 months ago
@fyorbane Sigh, another day another person who doesn't know thier history. Alright mate, i'll put this simply for you. Lets start on the Armour, the Yamato had such thick armour because they couldn't build the same quality of it as America could. Even with a 12in belt, the Iowa had armor almost as good as Yamato. On top of this, the Iowa had a decapping layer over its armour that could strip the cap off of AP shells under 18.5ins. This reduces the Yamato's effectiveness greatly.
MadMilitiaMen 6 months ago
@fyorbane Sigh, another day another person who doesn't know thier history. Alright mate, i'll put this simply for you. Lets start on the Armour, the Yamato had such thick armour because they couldn't build the same quality of it as America could. Even with a 12in belt, the Iowa had armor almost as good as Yamato. On top of this, the Iowa had a decapping layer over its armour that could strip the cap off of AP shells under 18.5ins. This reduces the Yamato's effectiveness greatly.
MadMilitiaMen 6 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen Actually, if Halsey hadn't been suckered into diverting most of 3rd fleet's strength north at the battle of Leyte Gulf, we might very well have seen how the Yamato would have contended with an Iowa-class ship, Halsey's flagship USS New Jersey. Of course, this assumes that the US fleet carriers would have stayed out of the battle and let the battleships slug it out...
TheGreatSanger 4 months ago
@MadMilitiaMen battleships were built to fuck the enemy during the war. not to build a fancy museum n a good tourist attraction. i personally respect the Yamato more than The lowa. took shit load of torpeados, bombs n about 400 planes to sink that beast atleast.
laughinbudda01 4 months ago
@laughinbudda01 I find this comment hilarious to say the least. Even more so considering the Yamato never "fucked" ships during the war. It was Japan's great white elephant that when examined turned out to be poorly designed and largely useless. If your were somewhat intelligent, you would also realize that it didnt take that many bombs or torpedoes to sink Yamato. Rather it was already crippled and the Americans kept hammering it. cheers!
MadMilitiaMen 4 months ago