Quick update to 6 reasons not to be an atheist

[ItsEasyIfYouThink]

1. By "the good that christians have done" do you mean the crusades? or perhaps the Inquisition? or perhaps the slaughtering of children at the order of god?

2. Thousands of years ago, if you had tried to convince the people of the world that the Earth is flat, they would have thought you mad. However, religion has come to accept modern science when it is so "in your face" that they can no longer deny it. Science of today will eventually fill in the unknowns, as it always has in the past.

[badpanda84]

thou shall no murder  , love peace ,joy. etc thou aren't exclusively christains values. those vaules exsisted long before chirstainity. But vaule to change over time . for instance slaverly was acceptable in the bible and is no longer acceptin.

[badpanda84]

that is hypocrital of you to say - people desire power and will say anything to follow them

So what you are saying is went people claiming to be chirstinas do evil deads its no as a result of chirstainity but went people claiming to be athesit do the same its all because of atheism

[RollJob88]

your taking about scientists making up things. what about making up the guy in the sky.

[daleknackus]

i'm not a person who would force people to move way from religion,

but its just a way of psychological control in some cases and dealing with a much more advance reality on the other,

so its better to face reality face on, up front and in the clear light of day,

but if you are told from the age of three, when you believe fairy tales, that gods real and the virgin birth, well it clear, your going to believe,

infact you'll believe for years untill you wake up or maybe you stay asleep.

[flylike1]

Atheism is the default position given the knowledge of the human race. you or anyone else doesn't know any more about God or the supernatural than I or Einstein or Joe Preacher. That being said, anyone claiming to have knowledge that they don't, like knowing that a god exists, and moreover asserting that they know the characteristics of that god, are lying, and being intellectually dishonest.

claiming to know things you do not know is not something I can do, that is why I'm an atheist

[hugeloads]

So you are claiming there is no God while you don't know whether or not there is? I think Agnostism is the default position of human knowledge. You are making huge assumptions when you say there is no God.

[flylike1]

"You are making huge assumptions when you say there is no God"

I never said that. I'm glad you agree that agnosticism is the default position. So why would you believe in something if you don't even know if it exists?

[hugeloads]

I know you didn't say directly that you assumed there was no God but Athiesim does. And that's all I was trying to say. Just personally I feel Agnostosism to be the more default position, which makes no assumptions of what can't at least right now be proven. But hey to each their own.

[flylike1]

"I know you didn't say directly that you assumed there was no God but Athiesim does..I feel Agnosticism to be the more default position"

Agnosticism is the default position, I agree- but being agnostic doesn't exclude you from being atheist. I've found that definitions of "atheist" differ from person to person and is often an unreliable term. I define atheist as "without belief in a deity" while others say "belief that a deity doesn't exist" which are very different.

[hugeloads]

@flylike1 I guess I was constraining myself to one definition of the word. What you said is reasonable and I would have to agree.

[Rundvelt]

Wait wait wait.

So, you say that Stalin did what he did because he's an atheist? Do you have any historical evidence that lists Stalin's motives? No? Oh so you're simply making it up? Awesome.

Perhaps you should be honest in your videos instead of lying. Isn't that a sin sir?

[Roannepur]

Again you profess to know the truth and to answer you question reality is reality and is objective to our wishs. Religon helps, how by giving the parasites and their slaves another second to cling onto their pathetic living they call faith. And another thing NO MAN OF REASON PUTS FAITH IN FACTS WITHOUT EVINDENCE. You are truley the people who are destroying this nation with your act of blanking out or non-thinking and You are a drunkard of faith.

[GofreMcNoodle]

How on earth can a Christian (Or muslim, jew, hindu or any religion for that matter) criticise scientists for "inventing concepts"? Your videos expand beyond the realms of idiocy and into comedy, and I think this video's rating is a testament to how seriously you guys are taken.

[ElectraDescending]

GTFO of my internets! Learn to think, then come back.

[kirilTheBloodLord]

good? GOOD!!!

Christiante killer more jews then hitler!!!

[GodKillerAtheist]

wait! Christianity is not reality it is superstition your straw man argument is in error. NO regardless Hitlers troops were christian they are the ones that killed people not him.

If you don't like science turn off your computer and go live in the woods stop going to the doctor throw away all your technology a rich man cannot get into heaven be a real christian if you want to argue your faith dont just pick and choose what you want stop being a hypocrite and do what your book says

[Sapien6x]

Answer the Hitchens challenge - 1) Name a moral action or deed performed that a religious person can do that an atheist can't? 2) Name a wicked action or deed done that only was done by the faithful? The second question is so easy you already have an answer! The first requires more effort. Bye Bye.

[Ocified]

This guy is so right...Science will do anything to keep the proof of God from society...All these crazy scientists with their crazy facts and experiments...Everyone knows that science is just outcomes from experiments that they want. Who doesn't want cancer? AIDS? Science never accepts the results, and they manipulate everything, unlike the church. Now they are honest, the church never lies, steals, murders, or molests...

[SofaKingLoaded]

Whoa..

[nleck]

god = Santa for adults

[beverlyhills201]

lol, except they never stop believing

[mrbluesky323]

Haha, helping the poor. I just read about how the church is giving aid to people in africa. It's pretty wonderful right? All they have to do to get it is build churches, and promise NOT to build Buddhist churches anywhere. Real generous. Sounds more like blackmail to me. Taking advantage of the weak, just like any other business.

[uccomic]

If you're trying to make the point that atheism creates some sort of exploitable moral vacuum, consider Sweden. 90% atheist (as atheist as America is religious) yet in every measure of human decency has a society that trumps America: education, health care, charitable donations, crime rate, in short GOOD BEHAVIOUR. Even within the US the "red states" or more religious ones, exhibit statistically worse behavior than the less religious "blue states". Religious belief DOES NOT mean good behavior.

[3superdogs]

Where do you get this idea of "good"? What determines whats good and bad? humans? if so then it is subjective.if you assume a moral law then you must admit a law giver. something that is superior than us and makes us have an obligation to follow. but if only matter exists, then there is no moral law. so when you say "good" thats just your opinion. you have no grounds to say one set of behaviours is better than the others. But your point is taken about sweden.

[GodKillerAtheist]

moral law is not a physical attribute to reality nether is good or evil.

Just because one persons opinion is different then yours does not make your opinion any more valid then there opinion.

[TheVenomPhoenix]

now then, you want to talk about morals to get rid of? how about slavery, not just labour but sex slaves, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, killing people who work on sunday, killing homosexuals, killing people who dont believe in god. all these are condoned in the bible.

[thelocust1980]

By the way, I've read Mein Kampf. And as Richard Dawkins said, "There is no mention of Darwin in Mein Kampf. Not one single, solitary mention, not one mention in any of the 27 chapters of this long and tedious book. Don't you think that, if Hitler was truly influenced by Darwin, he would have given him at least one teeny weeny mention in his book?"

I think that says it all.

[TheVenomPhoenix]

thelocust1980, you forgot that hitler mentioned the christian god on many occasions in that book, and even attributed his actions as actions being "in his honour".

[thelocust1980]

Hey VenomPhoenix. I know, Hitler thought he was doing "God's Work" by exterminating the Jews. I grow weary of these kinds of people (who have no clue what they are talking about) start playing the "Who had worse people" game. Their videos are so full of fallacies, they should be a "What not to do" educational for YouTube. They make these goofy claims, but will not address people's questions.

[harp03n]

to add something to the list of values that are outdated:

rape, human sacrifice, slavery etc etc. and please dont say that that's the old testament ;)

and about hitler. he wanted to get rid of christianity and he went on killing christians?? you should really look up the difference between jews and christians.

one more thing. hitler is an argument mostly used by christians. i think we can all agree that hitler did not do the things he did FOR religion, NOR did he do it for science/atheism

[3superdogs]

what about it? THE OLD TESTAMENT IS A HISTORICAL DOCUMENT. it does not espouse it. the messiah has already come.

[harp03n]

1. What historical accuracy is there in the old testament? that Egyptians had Jews as their slaves? That's 1 "fact" in the old testament. Where is evidence for that?

2. Name the historical events that are true in the bible. Just give me a list..

3. What evidence is there that your messiah has already come? where is his body, or traces of his existence? The new testament is written more than 40 years after his supposed existence.. their is no contemporary writer collaborating his story.

[harp03n]

There is more evidence for people that lived before jesus was born that was written by contemporary writers.. i can't imagine that the life of such a person (jesus) is NOT collaborated in any way..

Just prove it! If you could just prove the existence of jesus christ alone you had some actual facts to back up some of the stories. Not to mention him healing the sick, letting the blind see again. blabla..

Prove it, and don't come up with the apologetic websites that "quote" bogus "research".

[Phibins]

amen

[thelocust1980]

So the Old Testament should still be followed, Even though Jesus came?

[fuagofire]

yeah hitler was beaten by his father and was involved in world war 1 in the trenches - he was mad.

before communism in russia the tsars (kings) christian i might add kept the people in a russia that was just as hellish. there are books on amazon

[3superdogs]

stalin did all those bad things Because of his character.What you believe has a huge impact on your character!because stalin was an atheist he believed that Good and evil were subjective.he thought he was doing the right thing!and atheism availed a potential for that mindset.If he would have committed himself to abide in the teachings of Christ then he would have had a Character of love,mercy,kindness like the Jesus teaches.And would have Not been so evil.

[Russian07]

Hey, Stalin was my grandpa and I don't like you bad-mouthing him like that. If he made a mistake, he made a mistake. But over time the men (humans) that created religion and the Bible and God have killed and persecuted everyone and everything since its institution into our world. If you were some sentient alien life form and watched humanity so entwined in fruitless worship and false idolizing, what would you think? I think we, as humans, need to become totally dedicated to leaving this planet.

[coffeisthemostraded]

lol, what about the crusades then?

[Bowferret]

Thestrugglewithin:

Vague assertions do not an argument make. Your arguments against evolution have been refuted by CREATIONIST APOLOGISTS, and if geological activity is not a concept you are familiar with, I would suggest a good book on basic physical sciences for you. And by the way, what "unjustified assumptions" are involved in radiometric dating? You don't even give specific examples of these supposed inconsistencies? Are we supposed to take them on faith or something?

[Bowferret]

As for a religion I feel is morally superior to Christianity; I'll just say this: I may not be a member of any religion, but I heppen to like Wicca and many of the other pagan religions, for the simple fact that they're generally tolerant. In my opinion, "An it harm none, do what ye will" compares favorably with "smash their altars and cut down their groves", along with the other instances in which tolerance is denounced. In fact, I have never even seen a pagan prosyletize.

[Bowferret]

Where did you get the idea that Hitler renounced his faith? I have never heard of that. Besides, does it make that much of a difference? The people following his orders, agreeing with his mass murders and carrying them out were, believe it or not, largely Christian. As for what parts of Christianity I don't like, obviously it wasn't what you mentioned. You kind of skipped the spree of mass murders and ethnic cleansings God ordered in the Old Testament.

[3superdogs]

why couldn't it vary? what makes it so that it is predetermined? there would need to be something that predetermined it.that sounds like this universe has a purpose.

if the entropic principle were correct you would still need an explanation.

[HimmuraTube]

Whatever the so-called "good" that was done in the name of religion can also be done without religion. However, there's plenty of evil things that are done because of religion that could never have been done by atheism.

Even though science can't explain Everything (although in some cases not yet), what makes you think religion can explain anything?

[niksanovovic]

I am just wondering how any of those reasons that you gave make anybody what to believe in a god? If Christians deal with reality why do they continue to ignore evidence? Evidence for evolution, the age of the universe and the Earth, the contradictions inherent in the idea of god, the vile ideas completely endorsed in the Bible, the history of the Bible, and the lack of evidence for the existence of Jesus? Just a few questions that I would like to hear your answers to.

[thestrugglewithin]

Really niksanovovic? "evidence" of evolution?

Show me ONE example of mutation?

show me ONE missing link.

Do you even KNOW of the FLAWED assumptions that are required in radio active dating!?!?

Some samples range over HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of years!

WOW talk about accurate huh!

Why have sea shells been found on top of MOUNTAINS where the sea has never been?

How did we develop BLOOD clotting?

i'd need to cut myself in order evolve a blood clotting system right? BUT I'd BLEED TO DEATH before that!!

[thestrugglewithin]

cont from my blood clotting eg: In order for blood clotting to evolve I'd need to injure myself so that "nature" would engineer a blood clotting system right?

But if you DONT have a blood clotting system to START with if you DO get cut you are FUCKED.

you will BLEED to death therefore; you cannot pass on your genes and hence allow "millions of years",which evolution requires to mutate such an ability.

Evolution is not science. its mass bias speculation ie: building a "missing link" from 1 tooth

[thestrugglewithin]

cont 2: some will say "evolution doesnt need a 'que' to evolve ie: getting cut"

ONE PROBLEM THERE!:

If you believe that; you have just ADMITTED that you believe in SPONTANEOUS GENERATION!!

LOL!

it was disproved by covering a piece of meat (prevented flies landing on it) and it was realised that NO WORMS came out!

hmm, life comes from life!

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

John 14:6

[niksanovovic]

I really have no idea where to start here,as you are completely ignorant of evolution and therefore I am really wasting my breath. I WAS hoping to hear your answers to the questions above and not further proof of your ignorance of evolution. I was going to search for blood clotting for you but I really don't want your brain to atrophy further from disuse so I will leave that to you.Different species - evidence for mutation, there is NO ONE missing link but dozens if you actually care to look.

[thestrugglewithin]

ROFL what a cop out!! you have NO idea what a mutation is do you!?

You've just indirectly admitted that you believe in spontaneous generation!

I bet you think you're so intelligent for describing mental decay as "brain to atrophy"

Awesome.

Do you always keep your thesaurus on hand incase some 'ignorant' dude on the other side of the world pops your ludicrous, delusional, speculation based Theory of "evolution"?

[AzureFlameElk]

There is a ton of evidence for evolution. There are no missing links as far as human ancestry go. We cleared that up a long time ago.

Blood clotting is a simple evolution step. In some species at some point, when blood become a major part of the organisms body, blood clotting was a genetic mutation. And so, those with the mutation were much more likely to survive and reproduce than those without it.

[thestrugglewithin]

Thats a load of bollucks dude and you know it! Missing links to humans? -NONE.

Not for ONE species even! Dont even try to tell me that BIRDS are missing links to dinosaurs; that is MASS speculation (which is also the foundation of evolution theory). As for your pathetic blood clotting explanation: you've just admitted you believe inn a proven-false concept of spontaneous generation. Blood clotting just happened did it? without ANY external influence? You have more faith than I do to belive that

[thestrugglewithin]

To add to that nonesense, WHAT are the chances of MILLIONS of BENEFICAL mutations happening that end with the final product of advanced species (relative to the "simple" species Darwin proposed)?

You cant give me ONE eg of a advantageous mutation. You cant give me ONE missing link specimen & You know it. Your hero Richdard DORKkins knows it too. Yet everyone keeps quiet because THAT would force you to double check your reality!

[crypticlife]

I'd get away with the prohibition against graven images! :P

There's other principles other than the entropic principle. Dawkins mentions in the God Delusion (no, not using it for the theme), is that "hard-line physicists" argue that the variables responsible for the ability for us to exist actually COULD NOT vary. He discounts this as not being personally believable to him, but never gives any other reason and prefers the entropic principle.

[3superdogs]

why couldn't it vary? what makes it so that it is predetermined? there would need to be something that predetermined it.that sounds like this universe has a purpose.

if the entropic principle were correct you would still need an explanation.

[ryand4]

i'd like to hear your counter arguments to the comments... cos these commenters are smart guys!

[ryand4]

dude, you haven't enlightened me in the slightest! i have heard this all before and and i disagree with everything. if you want to convert an atheist to christianity, you have to get proof that the JUDEO-CHRISTIAN god is definitely the correct god to worship and why and use evidence to back up your argument. i have no doubt that there are evil atheists but that doesn't change my opinion on atheism!i am looking for truth not morality. prospero811 seems to be tearing you argument apart btw.

[prospero811]

I'd also get rid of all or almost all, if not all, of the Old Testament dietary rules, and almost all, if not all, of the Old Testament commandments concerning "uncleanness," etc. Also the prohibition against Onanism/masturbation is silly and detrimental to health. Frequent ejaculation is healthy for men, and has shown to prevent or delay prostate cancer, and it seems cruel to do psychological damage to 13 year old boys and girls for doing what every human has done (and harmed nobody).

[prospero811]

Another moral I'd get rid of is "thou shalt not make any graven images." I mean, what in the world does that even have to do with morality? It's an irrelevancy, unless one is embarking on a system to exclude people for mere contrary "belief." Also, I'd get rid of the "thou shalt not covet" rules. I mean, if a guy's wife is hot, it's my nature as a male mammal to to feel some lust for her regardless of whether I'd go through with anything.

[prospero811]

As for what morals to get rid of, I'd start with, "No one gets to the Father except through me," and other principles that state that MERE BELIEF in the "correct" God(Jesus) is a prerequisite to a blissful eternity (as opposed to an eternity of suffering). I'd get rid of that, and also the idea of "eternal" punishment, which is like swatting flies with dynamite. All eternity for fornicating and not repenting, for example? I mean, what happened to mercy, let alone eye for an eye?

[templarart]

2) "Science doesn't have the why." So if you were told some fairy tales about an eel blowing the universe out of its nose because people had to cook fish for it - that would be better than "There probably is no 'why'" or "I don't know."? People have been making up "why" fairy tales for all of human existence - we like to answer our own questions with fanciful fiction. Just because you can answer the 'why' doesn't make your answer right.

[prospero811]

Why DOES our universe exist?

Just because there is a god doesn't mean that there is a purpose. Maybe god(s) created the universe on a lark, or as a joke. Who knows?

So, I'll put it to you - what is the purpose?

[templarart]

1) There is no "atheistic worldview". You're not a buddhist, Hitler was not a buddhist, neither was Ghandi. Do you all have an a-buddhist worldview? Isn't it IDIOTIC to group people by disbelief?!

[RenovatedJon]

"Polygamy may not be such a good thing"

Hmm, How many wives did King Solomon have? and I hear he was a very wise guy too.

"Science answers the how and not the why"

That is because a lot of the why questions presume intent.

[HaroldThinks]

Can you point me to the chapter in the bible that say's the universe started 13.7 billion years ago?[coz it did] Or that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old?[coz it is]

[3superdogs]

You're right - the Bible does not provide the age of the universe or the earth (but I do agree with your numbers). Rather it is about our relationship to God and each other, and how God redeems us.

God gave us the brains and insight to figure out the physical world. As a Christian I actually enjoy reading (secular) science texts - believe it or not it provide me a better understanding of God and His nature.

Regards,

[HaroldThinks]

I'm always amused when I see people attacking little gaps in our scientific knowledge, like "science doesn't know how it all started", then feel quite happy to assert without any evidence whatsoever that 'God did it!'

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[3superdogs]

Although I cannot prove to you that God exists (where would faith be then?), neither can you prove that God doesn't exist.

The gaps in science are getting bigger - 40-50 yrs ago the atheist camp could claim a partial victory, now the prognosis is grim (for atheists):

The big bang

Fundamental properties of physics

Microbiology

Gaps in evolutionary theory (it is a process only, not the reason)

[HaroldThinks]

You're familiar with the celestial teapot analogy? While noone can prove to 100% certainty that there is no God or Gods, many place the likelihood at say less than 0.1%, ie most unlikely, like pink unicorns etc.

Gaps in science getting bigger? Bigger?? Than some point in the past? Really? I don't follow you at all here - please explain

[templarart]

There is not a single con, fraud, lie or hoax that doesn't demand baseless trust... or in the words of the Christian fraud - "faith".

[HaroldThinks]

Just because religious people do some good things, doesn't attest at all to the actual truth of what they profess to believe.

Atheism means not believing in a god or gods - nothing more. The problem with totalitarian regimes is more that they emulate religion, with unquestioning devotion to a supreme ruler etc. [see the similarity?]

I don't think a government based on free speach, evidence, skepticism and reason could ever be classed as totalitarian.