Every behavioral & educational program has its advantages and drawbacks. EVERY program. Even Son-Rise, as fascinating and rewarding as it might be. It's as simple as that. Poking fun isn't going to change that fact.
what a shite video. Every parent has the right to decide what they feel is best for their child be it ABA, sonrise, nothing at all or anything else that is out there that they feel is best. its their choice and its probably one of the most difficult and most important choices they will ever make and they dont needs total idiots putting out videos like this, what a crock of shit!!!!!. For the record my severly autistic 3 yr old son is now a funny, sociable and chatty 13 yr old thanks to. . . ABA
@janicen17 Your vitriolic comments are really disgusting but more importantly severely misguided. As a Developmental therapist working in the filed for twenty years ABA while successful in producing some functional surface behavioral reactions fails and moreover resoundingly fail, to address the deeper core challenges associated with ASD, which essentially are spontaneous thinking, relating and communicating and sensory-based challenges which mistakenly an immaturely confused with "behaviors."
@Neilgs hey man I used to work as a junior ABA for autistic children. After a promising two years I left because I felt the concept was misguided. From what I saw learning is primarily acheived through play, to be honest the drills were not effective unless they were turned into a game. Autism begins with communication difficulty, the result being a child who does not get appropriate play, which results in learning difficulty.
Please stop throwing your critic towards the ABA method and show some respect for different views then yours alone.
It does spoil my respect for your organization. It could work against rather than for you? Think about it!
You could gain much more by showing your respect and love for others, even if they don't share your views or do your methods. The world is a big place.
Loving grandmother
who loves using the Sonrise approach with her grandsons.
As a science all that is required is that you demonstrate the efficiency of your methods. Perhaps the Son Rise program should publish evidence of their effectiveness in peer reviewed journals. As a scientist I keep an open mind on all approaches, all the scientific community asks is that children and parents not be subjected to ineffective treatments or be misled by unsubstantiated claims.
Yes, parents deserve a choice. However, ABA isn't a "cookie-cutter," nor is it even a teaching method. It is a set of principles, some of which will actually happen in the Son-Rise program. One simple principle is the one of positive reinforcement. The child makes eye-contact or talks to you. You get excited hug and praise the child, or whatever. The child likes your response. The child will continue to make eye-contact and talk.
Hey Son-Rise: On behalf of all who believe in best practices, and the integrity you claim for your program, I challenge you to get this "ad" approved by the Behavior Analyst Certification Board...or at least have them explain ABA to you.
While I understand that the Son-Rise approach has worked for some students (please show me measurable outcomes, don't anecdotally explain to me that your child is "much" better now, because you can "tell by the gleam in their eye"), suggesting that Son-Rise is an alternative to ABA in any sense compromises and does damage to Son-Rise's credibility. Son-Rise makes very clear, implicitly, that they don't actually understand ABA.
ABA is NOT a METHOD (like Son-Rise); ABA is a frame of reference and analysis - it's a way to understand, process, and analyze behavioral data, not a cookie cutter method to educate children with Autism. This kind of irresponsible, pro-school-district-litigation marketing on behalf of "accredited" service providers seriously undermines the efforts of what actually DO KNOW and rely on for scientific progress. This is not funny, this is inaccurate, confusing and self-serving.
ABA is good for some kids and other methods such as Son-Rise are great for others.
I have two boys with autism. My older son benefited greatly from ABA, however, my younger son has had 2 years of ABA with little improvement so I'm considering a play-based approach such as Son-Rise or Floortime. Those options make more sense for my younger son who currently cannot generalize ANYTHING outside of his ABA session.
There are some people who commit unrequested acts of loving kindness to other people and nobody knows they did it. We call them unsung heroes. Their motivation for what they do comes from within and so they don't need applause. This does not fit your model at all. Often their motivation is love. Love is not a passive word, it is a very active verb. Love requires action to make itself visible. Love does change behaviour because as a parent I have seen it happen during our Son Rise program.
I love Son-Rise and the Option process and feel they've helped me cope better with the challenges autism brings, as well as my son. However, I have seen the first 3 of these SR vs ABA videos and feel that all of them are presented with the exact opposite of the SR/Option attitude. None of them feel loving and accepting to me - more like "we're right/ you're wrong". I'm disappointed; this is the last thing I'd expect to come out of the institute. (but acknowledge I'm choosing disappointment!)
One of the things taught at the Option Institute is Radical authenticity, in fact there is a whole weeklong course devoted to the subject. If you feel that your program is more effective than another, it isn't saying that yours is right and the other wrong - just more effective. Speaking out for what you feel is important is part of being a loving person, particularly loving those people who have never heard of The Son Rise Program. I am so grateful that someone told me and I want to pass it on.
The person that referred us to Son-Rise was an ABA facilitator. She gave me the book and explained that Son-Rise was a different way of looking at your child's diagnosis. One that is hopeful and loving. Pick up the book and read it. You may have the same experience that I did. It made sense to me on a personal level and I felt like I had the answers right in my hand.
This goes for everything you read, it is the opinion of the author, it is just part of life. The author expresses their view. If you can find something that absolutely everybody on the planet agrees with, then that would be a fact, other than that it is make believe, opinion, my make up on how things are. That's life.
Well, this youtube certainly brought out lots of discussion!! And mdeleon03 has had a great chance to represent her version of ABA. And S.R. have allowed and left all these comments up, so kudos to them. Obviously this is all opinion now. It's not like this youtube is standing alone without comments.
I do think it would be more effective if the Son-Rise program simply explained why they believe their approach is more effective. The written comparison of son-rise & floortime, states real & true differences, but there is a bit of "dissing" going on ("it is only child centered as long as it serves the adult"). Come on! There are reasons for this difference and it is not to meant to serve the adult but the child. S.R. does not have to agree with it - just explain why in a nonjudgmental way.
When I am looking at your website I am expecting to see your opinion on what ABA, which is not the same as ABA appears on other websites - take for example the definition of manding that you have defined differently to others, on the Son Rise website I am reading Son Rise view of things. As a parent I can work that out for myself. It would make very dull reading to preface every sentence with Son Rise says, as it's their website it is a given that it is their opinion.
Once again we are going backwards and forwards over the same thing. Son Rise treats the children and their parents with love and respect, how would it be respectful to deliberately lie about their program. In everything they claim, they have testimonials from parents with children who have done ABA before and switched to Son Rise. I realise this doesn't support your business to have this advertised but actually the website says what it does because Son Rise believes it to be true as do I.
I just watched the HBO film on Temple Grandin and was thinking about the importance of CHOICE in selecting the right treatment. Many SR parents I've met select SR because it "feels" like the right way to go for their child, their way of seeing the world -- much like Temple choose her squeeze box. ALL POWER TO CHOICE
I think you need to give parents more credit for intelligence than you do, they are not stupid or naive. This is another difference between ABA and Son Rise, you see yourself as the 'expert' whereas in Son Rise the parents are the experts but the child is the teacher - they teach us how to help them, which they can do because they are already taking care of themselves. They show us the way in to their world, then we show them the way out. I am a real parent does my opinion count to you?
Here in the UK there is an advert for Carlsberg lager where the slogan is 'probably the best lager in the world' I don't know anyone who decided to only drink Carlsberg based on that advert, in fact people who drink lager usually try them all. Some people have been misrepresenting and in fact mocking Son Rise since it started which gives us opportunity to describe it again, controversy has been our friend as more people hear about Son Rise and have opportunity to enquire further.
That's a great question, I think that parents would probably look on both websites if making an informed decision is important to them. When I watch any advert on television I know I am not watching something impartial. There is always the biase towards whatever is being advertised, I think that parents watching these videos will know that too and treat the content of the video with that in mind.
We can only state our own opinions as we have at length now and then let people decide for themselves as we have, you for ABA and myself for Son Rise.
I guess that whether these comments made by the video are 'true' or not is a matter of personal belief so I guess we could agree to disagree on that one. The people who made the video felt that they were true based on the testimonies of people who have decided to run Son Rise programs after having run ABA programs and there are a significant number of those people. I guess that there are also people moving in the opposite direction too.
The intention of the videos are to be playful, they don't use the word bad or even robotic, those words have been added by people feeling that they have to defend ABA, but actually the videos give you a great opportunity to explain ABA, the video's put ABA in a spotlight, now you can choose how you use that spotlight.
The Attitude is based on the book 'Happiness is a choice' by Barry Neil Kaufman, and also the Book Power dialogues, also written by Barry Neil Kaufman. It is based on something called the Stimulus Belief Response model, this is fairly lengthy to explain but the books lay it out completely. Being able to choose happiness in life no matter what means that we can be completely comfortable and happy all the time, that enables us not to judge, not to react when we don't get what we want.
So you can call my comments small like you did earlier and I am not upset, or that Son Rise is a looser therapy like Devilbaby did and I don't get angry, my child can flood the house and I can stay calm. This behaviour is congruent on the outside to what is going on inside me, it is sincere, children can tell whether we are sincere or not. Happiness and love are choices we can make every second of our lives.
Son Rise IS different to ABA because of the emphasis on ATTITUDE 95% of the program technique. I have said this in response to your posts several times now the son rise program is ATTITUDE ATTITUDE ATTITUDE but you are intend on looking at the externals thus beautifully demonstrating the difference between the two approaches. Attitude is the largest part of the program techniques but you won't get that from watching a video. You are looking at the 5% and calling it the whole.
I just watched the "jamie/taylor" video- apparently this is Son Rise, and is soooo much better than than ABA and all that. Well, sorry to disappoint you "Son-Risers" but they look like the same thing to me! She was simply doing what behavior analysis calls mand training, or teaching the child how to request what he/she wants. Frankly, I'm appalled that these people are taking what B.A. has known for years, slapping another name on it, and then
Son Rise began in 1974 at a time when ABA was not like this at all. ABA wasa program based on the writing of Dr O Ivar Lovaas, his techniques included slapping children and tables or yelling at them like'hells fury' read the ME book if you want to know what ABA in the early days was like. I am soo glad that those things no longer happen with ABA, Son Rise has remained unchanged from what you see today. So actually we did it like this first. But actually we both about reaching children today.
Does it really matter who did what when? Essentially, Son Rise is just a looser form of behavioral techniques without the strict scientific research to back it up. ABA IS fun AND it is the ONLY proven effective treatment for autism. As a practitioner of ABA, I can attest to the fact that my clients are anything but "robotic" and our sessions are filled with playing and laughing mixed with learning.
Son Rise is an effective Autism Intervention, I know that because it has been effective for my own son. I chose it because I liked the emphasis on the attitude of the facilitator for the child. I have learned so much from my son by doing the Son Rise program so not only has it dramatically changed the course of his life, it has dramatically changed my life too. Son is no looser therapy because it gave me back my son. I am so grateful for the Son Rise program.
Son Rise and ABA are not the same although in today's ABA some of it looks similar, attitudinally they are poles apart. But actually I think that is a benefit for parents because there is a choice. If it is more important to focus on acquiring skills then you want an ABA program if what you want first is relationship then you do a Son Rise program, that's not to say you don't make relationships in ABA or that you won't acquire skills using son rise, it's a question of focus.
So are you saying that people exhibiting behaviour within a room constitutes a behaviourist program no matter what they do or don't do. What about internal expression? That is more the essence of Son Rise
want the child to request things from us that is why the dad put in the request for eye contact. I would ask the dad why he did not give the child the drumsticks straight away and not guess the reason, but other than that this shows Son Rise working beautifully. If you have two people in a room interacting you are going to see external expressions of behaviour, but that doesn't make Son Rise a behaviourist program. Even if they lay in the corner and did nothing that would be a behaviour
I don't know this family personally, but it looks like they are running and awesome Son Rise program, their two beautiful daughters interact almost the whole time and the parents are implementing the Son Rise techniques so effectively. Did you see how the mum joined when she was at the table with Taylor rather than pushing on to doing the colouring? That is SR - always the child's timing whilst they are exclusive, then when interactive you can request. Because relationship is the main focus we,
I just watched these videos and one called "Jakob and Son rise". They were really good but these videos look exactly like what my ABA therapist does with my son. Like I said in a previous post this is how they taught my son up and down. He had a blast! In the end both of these programs look very similar . Children are learning, interacting, and having fun. Does the name of the program really matter? Is it necesary to attack ABA? Everyone just wants to help these kids.
To explain, you said..." Every time I make a good point you either ignore it or talk about something really small." cut and pasted from your earlier post. You then said that you were completely congruent that you didn't do different things for the children than the rest of the time. My question was that good is a judgement of your comment and small is your judgement of my comment, so as you are congruent it means that you judge the children too.
The comment I made used the word attitude, please could you make sure that you quote me correctly. Acceptance is only part of the Son Rise attitude and philosophy. Son Rise is totally different from ABA because we actually teach totally differently - watch any video on ABA to see that structured ABA teaching time goes say ball, child says ball, teaches gives child favourite hammer toy, then repeat. More recently the work away from the table uses some of the ideas that Son Rise devised in 1974.
Some of the videos that are on here are placed by parents who have booked certified Son Rise teacher consults. The aim being that the teaches watches the video and then gives the parents feedback. I haven't seen the video that you are describing, if you give me the title I will watch it. As parents we do our best to deliver the Son Rise program as best we can albeit sometimes imperfectly. With-holding an item from a child until they look is not a Son Rise technique.
Then you have misunderstood Son Rise. Son Rise teaches children language, eye contact, interactive attention span, flexibility and anything else that the parent chooses, but the difference is in the timing of the request, it is the child's timing not the adults. The adult initiates games when the child is giving the adult eye contact or direct speech or physical contact. The key is the timing - always working WITH the child. No requirement for a certain outcome as the child is doing their best.
Running a Son Rise program also involves collecting data, we complete a record everytime we go in the playroom of what occured and what was effective so that we can be as user-friendly to the child as possible. This information is then collated and used within a bi-weekly team meeting to evaluate what has been and plan for the next two weeks. To have a choice about how your child is educated is part of the convention of human rights (part 8 I think) so actually this situation needs to change.
do behave incongruently and reserve non-judgementalness for teaching time?
I am however reading every word that you are writing but I get to choose how I wish to respond.
I imagine that the law is a whole lot more complicated than the four words you have used but just suppose for a minute that it isn't - the Son Rise empirical research is going to be published very soon and that will support everything that has been claimed since 1974 when the therapy began. Children can recover using SR.
What I love about Son Rise is that it is a way of life, I take my attitude into everything that I say and do, then I am congruent as a person, so when I am with my child they see me as I am the whole time, my therapy for my child is about how I treat everything that way I don't have to put on a therapy hat. I don't judge my comments as good/bad big/small anything because I don't need to judge, not my child, not myself and not you. I guess you are the same congruent the whole time, or
Ha Ha Ha Ha - you have just said that you think parents should be able to choose but that the only choice is ABA LOL! Are you calling all other interventions unlawful?
ABA behaviour analysts cannot control what people choose - you don't have a choice about that. I chose Son Rise and I still choose Son Rise and you can't do anything about the thousands of people seeing their children recover with Son Rise. But if you care about things being portrayed inaccurately then you will give up calling Son Rise a behaviourally based intervention because it is a relationship based intervention always has been and always will be, relationship is King.
2. I would have a clue about whether they had a stomach ache or a systemic yeast infection and so know how to help them. But also I would communicate my love and respect of them. Respect because I know they are taking care of themselves the best they can - something hard to communicate by just watching, particularly if the child has no language yet. Joining is "The BIG love" I can't think of a more loving and effective thing to do for someone.
There are a zillion different intervention for autism out there all offering to help my child. When I am joing my son in his behaviours I am doing what he is doing as closely as possible, I don't know that I am experiencing it exactly as he does, but I am giving myself the best chance, which then gives me information about which intervention to try first, so for a child who rocks if I did it too I would discover which part of their body was stimulated and
Son Rise addresses all behaviours through relationships, it is absolutely not based on behavioural principles. If you want to find out more about Son Rise then why not attend the Start Up course, they are run several times a year and gives you everything you need to know to run an effective Son Rise program. This course is a wonderful week long course and I would completely recommend it to anyone interested in reaching their special child with love and running a program for their child.
You are entitled to your opinion and you are obviously very peeved as most comments seem to be from you on here. it is about parental choice. I had my son in an ABA program and he made no progress because they just treated his stims as a barrier to learning as opposed to a way in. The difference in viewing it has led our more severe child to finally interact with us and now start to actually attempt to talk all because of the difference in attitude. ABA is great for some kids just not all.
I am a son rise mum who has been running a program for several years, I have done all of the courses in Son Rise and I run a full time program for my son who has made magnificent progress, so I understand how it operates completely and I understand that you have just read the website. Son Rise sees autism as a relational disorder not a behavioural disorder, therefore relationships are our primary focus, of course the way we behave affects our ability to form and maintain relationships, but,
Your point that the video says that ABA does not allow parental choice is completely inaccurate, if you watch the video again you will find that ABA man says "all I've wanted my whole life was for every state and every school in the country to fund only ABA". Do you think that too? Is that what you want? Or do you agree with Son Rise man, that parents should be offered funding for either ABA or Son Rise or indeed another intervention of their choice.
This is perfect and it is just to show that our kids are individuals! You are placed on the spectrum due to 3 things. 1. lack or or delay in communication, 2. challenges with social interactions and 3. what is termed as repetitive or stereotypical behavior. This manifests itself differently for each child and ABA is not the solution or way for EVERY child. SonRise is a blessing for our family. That is the simple point of the video. Let a parent choose and treat our kids as individuals!
2. In doing so, we also give ourselves the same physiological experience as the child so that we can uncover the reason that they are chewing: are they trying to stimulate their mouths because they are numb, do they have glue ear and are trying to clear their tubes so they can hear, do they have an aural fungal infection, do their teeth hurt etc once we have found out what the physical challenge is we can help them with that and then they no longer need to chew. Most important - our Attitude.
Great an example, in ABA you take away one thing to chew on and give them something else to chew on, so you haven't replaced the behaviour you have replaced the chewed object, the child didn't do this you did! In Son Rise we would replace the chewed object to a safe one, but then chew on another similar object - join the child. We want to experience what they experience without judging it and in doing so communicate our acceptance of their choice of activity and our love for them.
At no time has SR said that ABA is bad, you mfeleon03 are the one who has put the words 'ABA' and 'bad' into the same sentence. Check all of my posts if you like, S R does not call anything bad, we don't judge. As I said before research has to include something measureable and observable which would have to be behaviour, you can't measure attitude and feelings but this doesn't mean that SR treats behaviour as the main focus of it's intervention, SR is more interested in the internal experience.
As a parent who has tried both ABA and SonRise fairly extensively, I must say I appreciate these adverts . . . it's nice to have the entire parental community be reminded that when ABA does not work for their children, there is still hope . . . ABA -- after years of extensive work -- created more tantrums and problems. SonRise solved them. That was our experience, and I'm thrilled to have others introduced to . . .HOPE!
I was commenting on you point about the research that you are stating makes ABA in your opinion better than Son Rise, they collect data and then draw conclusions which at the end of the day are assumptions about why what occured happened and then recommend a method. Nothing to do with the day to day running of an ABA program.
2. educated. But now the current thinking has moved on and people are looking at his hard data and drawing different conclusions. The same is true of ABA as you say it is constantly changing, from the early days of Lovaas to now, whether a child takes a brick and puts it in a box in 1965 or 2010 it still looks the same. Same hard data different conclusion, so reliance on the outcomes of such studies is a false security as they are totally affected by the beliefs of the researcher.
Absolutely, if someone sits in a room and counts the number of time a child does a prescribed act within a given space of time then that is your hard data, and I agree that it would be hard to argue with that, but what happens next is that the hard data is processed and conclusions drawn, these are based on the belief system of the people making the conclusions, look what has happened to so much of Jean Piaget's work, he collected hard data and then drew conclusions about how children should be
If you are going to do research, you have to pick something which is measureable, which is why they have to address skills or behaviour, how would you suggest measuring love or attitudes. So actually assessing the efficacy of a Son Rise program has to use behaviours even though that isn't the focus of the program. But what I know doesn't need a research paper to prove it. My son used to spend the whole day playing with his back to me, now he says I am his best friend and he wants to play with me
On shaping behaviours ABA totally are the explorers that is your chosen focus, Son Rise is not in the game for behaviour shaping we have different goals, which is why the adverts have been created in the way they have, your main focus is behaviour Son Rise focuses on relationship. So when I look at my son I see my first want above everything is to love him and for us to have a love of rapport between us, whether he chews his wrist, can play Mozart or do maths isn't my focus although he can do.
Actually those scientists did have 'hard' data, they looked at the sun and the stars and used the level of observation that was available at that time - they used what was available and drew conclusions, which is exactly what every scientist does the world over. Then the explorers came along and showed that different information was available and so people changed their view, if everything was available now there would be no future advances in science as clearly we know it all now.
I can't wait until Son Rise is so well known that parents will always have the option of having the school pay for it! Until then, I am glad that parents can run the programs themselves putting the power in their hands.
ABA uses the model Antecedent, behaviour, consequences - right. Every lesson revolves around this principle, no matter what is being taught or who the child is. That is the cookie cutter, because you the therapist is constantly manipulating the consequences to shape the child's behaviour. Son Rise has a variety of ways to help a child grow in to the best version of themselves that they can be, the child is inspired with love not manipulated with a reward system.
which is actually no more than our best guess is to give parents a false sense of security in ABA. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to back up our own theories as they are collected using a method to support a hypothesis. So therefore statistics can be used in the same way that drunks use a lampost - more for support than illumination.
At one time scientists thought that they had evidence to prove that the world was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe and so many other things which subsequently turned out not to be so. But people based their choices of activity on that false science. In a court evidence is used not as proof as a court knows that doesn't exist but to lead a jury to a verdict beyond all reasonable doubt. To claim that ABA is in someway superior to other interventions because it uses evidence
@mdeleon03 Just to clarify, ABA has best results when done 1 on 1. Doing it has a group in class won't have the same results. Plus, many school systems are known for cutting corners on special needs, so don't expect true adherence to ABA. They've been doing research on SR & I can hardly wait for results to be published. I believe that once that happens it will be mind blowing. Studies by Case Western University's Dr. Gerald Mahoney & Duke U experiments show the validity of various SR techniques
Son-Rise CHOSE their representative. Who chose this "ABA" actor? He does not represent me. Which ABA practitioner are you slandering here? This is no way to bring people to "your side." There are MANY similarities between ABA & Son-Rise. This UGLY other-ism doesn't serve to build Son-Rise up by belittling another group of helping professionals.
I don't think this video has anything to do with taking 'sides' but just showing that there is more than one option for autism treatment, often ABA is presented as being the only option whereas in fact there are many option of which Son Rise and ABA are but two. But at least parents can know there is a choice and then research for themselves. These adverts don't give enough information for anyone to decide what to do, they are just signposts for two options. It's then a free choice.
@Behaviortrish I take it as rather satire like. Also, to be fair, for years, many prominent ABA people have overtly belittled and ridiculed Son-Rise and Son-Rise parents. If you choose to be offended, that's your right, but I don't see the belittling in it. To be noticed on YouTube, you need a clever idea, thus the use of satire that I believe is done with good natured humor. I see absolutely no malicious qualities to this video.
Perhaps Son-Rise was able to choose their representative. Was ABA? Whoever this "ABA" person is certainly does NOT represent any Behavior Analyst I know. This may seem playful to, you, Raun. But to me, it's lumping everyone into a group that is only represented by a discription you provide.
Every behavioral & educational program has its advantages and drawbacks. EVERY program. Even Son-Rise, as fascinating and rewarding as it might be. It's as simple as that. Poking fun isn't going to change that fact.
1958boomergirl 1 year ago
Sonrise is what worked with me. ABA would have made me even more agressive.
PinkPunkyKat 1 year ago
what a shite video. Every parent has the right to decide what they feel is best for their child be it ABA, sonrise, nothing at all or anything else that is out there that they feel is best. its their choice and its probably one of the most difficult and most important choices they will ever make and they dont needs total idiots putting out videos like this, what a crock of shit!!!!!. For the record my severly autistic 3 yr old son is now a funny, sociable and chatty 13 yr old thanks to. . . ABA
janicen17 1 year ago
@janicen17 Your vitriolic comments are really disgusting but more importantly severely misguided. As a Developmental therapist working in the filed for twenty years ABA while successful in producing some functional surface behavioral reactions fails and moreover resoundingly fail, to address the deeper core challenges associated with ASD, which essentially are spontaneous thinking, relating and communicating and sensory-based challenges which mistakenly an immaturely confused with "behaviors."
Neilgs 3 months ago
@Neilgs hey man I used to work as a junior ABA for autistic children. After a promising two years I left because I felt the concept was misguided. From what I saw learning is primarily acheived through play, to be honest the drills were not effective unless they were turned into a game. Autism begins with communication difficulty, the result being a child who does not get appropriate play, which results in learning difficulty.
utubedetective72 3 months ago
Please stop throwing your critic towards the ABA method and show some respect for different views then yours alone.
It does spoil my respect for your organization. It could work against rather than for you? Think about it!
You could gain much more by showing your respect and love for others, even if they don't share your views or do your methods. The world is a big place.
Loving grandmother
who loves using the Sonrise approach with her grandsons.
yoka51 1 year ago
As a science all that is required is that you demonstrate the efficiency of your methods. Perhaps the Son Rise program should publish evidence of their effectiveness in peer reviewed journals. As a scientist I keep an open mind on all approaches, all the scientific community asks is that children and parents not be subjected to ineffective treatments or be misled by unsubstantiated claims.
alanleotennyson 1 year ago
Yes, parents deserve a choice. However, ABA isn't a "cookie-cutter," nor is it even a teaching method. It is a set of principles, some of which will actually happen in the Son-Rise program. One simple principle is the one of positive reinforcement. The child makes eye-contact or talks to you. You get excited hug and praise the child, or whatever. The child likes your response. The child will continue to make eye-contact and talk.
Reichieru1 1 year ago
Hey Son-Rise: On behalf of all who believe in best practices, and the integrity you claim for your program, I challenge you to get this "ad" approved by the Behavior Analyst Certification Board...or at least have them explain ABA to you.
chrisvacek 1 year ago
While I understand that the Son-Rise approach has worked for some students (please show me measurable outcomes, don't anecdotally explain to me that your child is "much" better now, because you can "tell by the gleam in their eye"), suggesting that Son-Rise is an alternative to ABA in any sense compromises and does damage to Son-Rise's credibility. Son-Rise makes very clear, implicitly, that they don't actually understand ABA.
chrisvacek 1 year ago
ABA is NOT a METHOD (like Son-Rise); ABA is a frame of reference and analysis - it's a way to understand, process, and analyze behavioral data, not a cookie cutter method to educate children with Autism. This kind of irresponsible, pro-school-district-litigation marketing on behalf of "accredited" service providers seriously undermines the efforts of what actually DO KNOW and rely on for scientific progress. This is not funny, this is inaccurate, confusing and self-serving.
chrisvacek 1 year ago
HILARIOUS!
Love the Clyde jazz clarinet <3
Big hug from Sue
GAMLASANNA 1 year ago
ABA is good for some kids and other methods such as Son-Rise are great for others.
I have two boys with autism. My older son benefited greatly from ABA, however, my younger son has had 2 years of ABA with little improvement so I'm considering a play-based approach such as Son-Rise or Floortime. Those options make more sense for my younger son who currently cannot generalize ANYTHING outside of his ABA session.
msgrozzy 2 years ago
There are some people who commit unrequested acts of loving kindness to other people and nobody knows they did it. We call them unsung heroes. Their motivation for what they do comes from within and so they don't need applause. This does not fit your model at all. Often their motivation is love. Love is not a passive word, it is a very active verb. Love requires action to make itself visible. Love does change behaviour because as a parent I have seen it happen during our Son Rise program.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
I love Son-Rise and the Option process and feel they've helped me cope better with the challenges autism brings, as well as my son. However, I have seen the first 3 of these SR vs ABA videos and feel that all of them are presented with the exact opposite of the SR/Option attitude. None of them feel loving and accepting to me - more like "we're right/ you're wrong". I'm disappointed; this is the last thing I'd expect to come out of the institute. (but acknowledge I'm choosing disappointment!)
av8rjeff 2 years ago
One of the things taught at the Option Institute is Radical authenticity, in fact there is a whole weeklong course devoted to the subject. If you feel that your program is more effective than another, it isn't saying that yours is right and the other wrong - just more effective. Speaking out for what you feel is important is part of being a loving person, particularly loving those people who have never heard of The Son Rise Program. I am so grateful that someone told me and I want to pass it on.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
The person that referred us to Son-Rise was an ABA facilitator. She gave me the book and explained that Son-Rise was a different way of looking at your child's diagnosis. One that is hopeful and loving. Pick up the book and read it. You may have the same experience that I did. It made sense to me on a personal level and I felt like I had the answers right in my hand.
raarmom 2 years ago
Thank God I live in America, where there is free speech. I want choices in my child's school. This is a great video - Thanks Raun!
aroma22008 2 years ago
This goes for everything you read, it is the opinion of the author, it is just part of life. The author expresses their view. If you can find something that absolutely everybody on the planet agrees with, then that would be a fact, other than that it is make believe, opinion, my make up on how things are. That's life.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Well, this youtube certainly brought out lots of discussion!! And mdeleon03 has had a great chance to represent her version of ABA. And S.R. have allowed and left all these comments up, so kudos to them. Obviously this is all opinion now. It's not like this youtube is standing alone without comments.
jsarbora 2 years ago
I do think it would be more effective if the Son-Rise program simply explained why they believe their approach is more effective. The written comparison of son-rise & floortime, states real & true differences, but there is a bit of "dissing" going on ("it is only child centered as long as it serves the adult"). Come on! There are reasons for this difference and it is not to meant to serve the adult but the child. S.R. does not have to agree with it - just explain why in a nonjudgmental way.
jsarbora 2 years ago
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jsarbora 2 years ago
When I am looking at your website I am expecting to see your opinion on what ABA, which is not the same as ABA appears on other websites - take for example the definition of manding that you have defined differently to others, on the Son Rise website I am reading Son Rise view of things. As a parent I can work that out for myself. It would make very dull reading to preface every sentence with Son Rise says, as it's their website it is a given that it is their opinion.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Once again we are going backwards and forwards over the same thing. Son Rise treats the children and their parents with love and respect, how would it be respectful to deliberately lie about their program. In everything they claim, they have testimonials from parents with children who have done ABA before and switched to Son Rise. I realise this doesn't support your business to have this advertised but actually the website says what it does because Son Rise believes it to be true as do I.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
I just watched the HBO film on Temple Grandin and was thinking about the importance of CHOICE in selecting the right treatment. Many SR parents I've met select SR because it "feels" like the right way to go for their child, their way of seeing the world -- much like Temple choose her squeeze box. ALL POWER TO CHOICE
Katieloudrifter 2 years ago
I think you need to give parents more credit for intelligence than you do, they are not stupid or naive. This is another difference between ABA and Son Rise, you see yourself as the 'expert' whereas in Son Rise the parents are the experts but the child is the teacher - they teach us how to help them, which they can do because they are already taking care of themselves. They show us the way in to their world, then we show them the way out. I am a real parent does my opinion count to you?
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Here in the UK there is an advert for Carlsberg lager where the slogan is 'probably the best lager in the world' I don't know anyone who decided to only drink Carlsberg based on that advert, in fact people who drink lager usually try them all. Some people have been misrepresenting and in fact mocking Son Rise since it started which gives us opportunity to describe it again, controversy has been our friend as more people hear about Son Rise and have opportunity to enquire further.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
That's a great question, I think that parents would probably look on both websites if making an informed decision is important to them. When I watch any advert on television I know I am not watching something impartial. There is always the biase towards whatever is being advertised, I think that parents watching these videos will know that too and treat the content of the video with that in mind.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
We can only state our own opinions as we have at length now and then let people decide for themselves as we have, you for ABA and myself for Son Rise.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
I guess that whether these comments made by the video are 'true' or not is a matter of personal belief so I guess we could agree to disagree on that one. The people who made the video felt that they were true based on the testimonies of people who have decided to run Son Rise programs after having run ABA programs and there are a significant number of those people. I guess that there are also people moving in the opposite direction too.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
The intention of the videos are to be playful, they don't use the word bad or even robotic, those words have been added by people feeling that they have to defend ABA, but actually the videos give you a great opportunity to explain ABA, the video's put ABA in a spotlight, now you can choose how you use that spotlight.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
The Attitude is based on the book 'Happiness is a choice' by Barry Neil Kaufman, and also the Book Power dialogues, also written by Barry Neil Kaufman. It is based on something called the Stimulus Belief Response model, this is fairly lengthy to explain but the books lay it out completely. Being able to choose happiness in life no matter what means that we can be completely comfortable and happy all the time, that enables us not to judge, not to react when we don't get what we want.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
So you can call my comments small like you did earlier and I am not upset, or that Son Rise is a looser therapy like Devilbaby did and I don't get angry, my child can flood the house and I can stay calm. This behaviour is congruent on the outside to what is going on inside me, it is sincere, children can tell whether we are sincere or not. Happiness and love are choices we can make every second of our lives.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Son Rise IS different to ABA because of the emphasis on ATTITUDE 95% of the program technique. I have said this in response to your posts several times now the son rise program is ATTITUDE ATTITUDE ATTITUDE but you are intend on looking at the externals thus beautifully demonstrating the difference between the two approaches. Attitude is the largest part of the program techniques but you won't get that from watching a video. You are looking at the 5% and calling it the whole.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
pitting it against ABA, all the while confusing parents of children with autism.
devilbaby814 2 years ago
I just watched the "jamie/taylor" video- apparently this is Son Rise, and is soooo much better than than ABA and all that. Well, sorry to disappoint you "Son-Risers" but they look like the same thing to me! She was simply doing what behavior analysis calls mand training, or teaching the child how to request what he/she wants. Frankly, I'm appalled that these people are taking what B.A. has known for years, slapping another name on it, and then
devilbaby814 2 years ago
Son Rise began in 1974 at a time when ABA was not like this at all. ABA wasa program based on the writing of Dr O Ivar Lovaas, his techniques included slapping children and tables or yelling at them like'hells fury' read the ME book if you want to know what ABA in the early days was like. I am soo glad that those things no longer happen with ABA, Son Rise has remained unchanged from what you see today. So actually we did it like this first. But actually we both about reaching children today.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Does it really matter who did what when? Essentially, Son Rise is just a looser form of behavioral techniques without the strict scientific research to back it up. ABA IS fun AND it is the ONLY proven effective treatment for autism. As a practitioner of ABA, I can attest to the fact that my clients are anything but "robotic" and our sessions are filled with playing and laughing mixed with learning.
devilbaby814 2 years ago
Son Rise is an effective Autism Intervention, I know that because it has been effective for my own son. I chose it because I liked the emphasis on the attitude of the facilitator for the child. I have learned so much from my son by doing the Son Rise program so not only has it dramatically changed the course of his life, it has dramatically changed my life too. Son is no looser therapy because it gave me back my son. I am so grateful for the Son Rise program.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Son Rise and ABA are not the same although in today's ABA some of it looks similar, attitudinally they are poles apart. But actually I think that is a benefit for parents because there is a choice. If it is more important to focus on acquiring skills then you want an ABA program if what you want first is relationship then you do a Son Rise program, that's not to say you don't make relationships in ABA or that you won't acquire skills using son rise, it's a question of focus.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
So are you saying that people exhibiting behaviour within a room constitutes a behaviourist program no matter what they do or don't do. What about internal expression? That is more the essence of Son Rise
meadowlotus 2 years ago
want the child to request things from us that is why the dad put in the request for eye contact. I would ask the dad why he did not give the child the drumsticks straight away and not guess the reason, but other than that this shows Son Rise working beautifully. If you have two people in a room interacting you are going to see external expressions of behaviour, but that doesn't make Son Rise a behaviourist program. Even if they lay in the corner and did nothing that would be a behaviour
meadowlotus 2 years ago
I don't know this family personally, but it looks like they are running and awesome Son Rise program, their two beautiful daughters interact almost the whole time and the parents are implementing the Son Rise techniques so effectively. Did you see how the mum joined when she was at the table with Taylor rather than pushing on to doing the colouring? That is SR - always the child's timing whilst they are exclusive, then when interactive you can request. Because relationship is the main focus we,
meadowlotus 2 years ago
I just watched these videos and one called "Jakob and Son rise". They were really good but these videos look exactly like what my ABA therapist does with my son. Like I said in a previous post this is how they taught my son up and down. He had a blast! In the end both of these programs look very similar . Children are learning, interacting, and having fun. Does the name of the program really matter? Is it necesary to attack ABA? Everyone just wants to help these kids.
loriebrown1 2 years ago
To explain, you said..." Every time I make a good point you either ignore it or talk about something really small." cut and pasted from your earlier post. You then said that you were completely congruent that you didn't do different things for the children than the rest of the time. My question was that good is a judgement of your comment and small is your judgement of my comment, so as you are congruent it means that you judge the children too.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
The comment I made used the word attitude, please could you make sure that you quote me correctly. Acceptance is only part of the Son Rise attitude and philosophy. Son Rise is totally different from ABA because we actually teach totally differently - watch any video on ABA to see that structured ABA teaching time goes say ball, child says ball, teaches gives child favourite hammer toy, then repeat. More recently the work away from the table uses some of the ideas that Son Rise devised in 1974.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Some of the videos that are on here are placed by parents who have booked certified Son Rise teacher consults. The aim being that the teaches watches the video and then gives the parents feedback. I haven't seen the video that you are describing, if you give me the title I will watch it. As parents we do our best to deliver the Son Rise program as best we can albeit sometimes imperfectly. With-holding an item from a child until they look is not a Son Rise technique.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
So how come you are judging your comments as good and my comments as small or do the children get that too?
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Then you have misunderstood Son Rise. Son Rise teaches children language, eye contact, interactive attention span, flexibility and anything else that the parent chooses, but the difference is in the timing of the request, it is the child's timing not the adults. The adult initiates games when the child is giving the adult eye contact or direct speech or physical contact. The key is the timing - always working WITH the child. No requirement for a certain outcome as the child is doing their best.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Running a Son Rise program also involves collecting data, we complete a record everytime we go in the playroom of what occured and what was effective so that we can be as user-friendly to the child as possible. This information is then collated and used within a bi-weekly team meeting to evaluate what has been and plan for the next two weeks. To have a choice about how your child is educated is part of the convention of human rights (part 8 I think) so actually this situation needs to change.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
do behave incongruently and reserve non-judgementalness for teaching time?
I am however reading every word that you are writing but I get to choose how I wish to respond.
I imagine that the law is a whole lot more complicated than the four words you have used but just suppose for a minute that it isn't - the Son Rise empirical research is going to be published very soon and that will support everything that has been claimed since 1974 when the therapy began. Children can recover using SR.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
What I love about Son Rise is that it is a way of life, I take my attitude into everything that I say and do, then I am congruent as a person, so when I am with my child they see me as I am the whole time, my therapy for my child is about how I treat everything that way I don't have to put on a therapy hat. I don't judge my comments as good/bad big/small anything because I don't need to judge, not my child, not myself and not you. I guess you are the same congruent the whole time, or
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Ha Ha Ha Ha - you have just said that you think parents should be able to choose but that the only choice is ABA LOL! Are you calling all other interventions unlawful?
meadowlotus 2 years ago
ABA behaviour analysts cannot control what people choose - you don't have a choice about that. I chose Son Rise and I still choose Son Rise and you can't do anything about the thousands of people seeing their children recover with Son Rise. But if you care about things being portrayed inaccurately then you will give up calling Son Rise a behaviourally based intervention because it is a relationship based intervention always has been and always will be, relationship is King.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
2. I would have a clue about whether they had a stomach ache or a systemic yeast infection and so know how to help them. But also I would communicate my love and respect of them. Respect because I know they are taking care of themselves the best they can - something hard to communicate by just watching, particularly if the child has no language yet. Joining is "The BIG love" I can't think of a more loving and effective thing to do for someone.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
There are a zillion different intervention for autism out there all offering to help my child. When I am joing my son in his behaviours I am doing what he is doing as closely as possible, I don't know that I am experiencing it exactly as he does, but I am giving myself the best chance, which then gives me information about which intervention to try first, so for a child who rocks if I did it too I would discover which part of their body was stimulated and
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Son Rise addresses all behaviours through relationships, it is absolutely not based on behavioural principles. If you want to find out more about Son Rise then why not attend the Start Up course, they are run several times a year and gives you everything you need to know to run an effective Son Rise program. This course is a wonderful week long course and I would completely recommend it to anyone interested in reaching their special child with love and running a program for their child.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
You are entitled to your opinion and you are obviously very peeved as most comments seem to be from you on here. it is about parental choice. I had my son in an ABA program and he made no progress because they just treated his stims as a barrier to learning as opposed to a way in. The difference in viewing it has led our more severe child to finally interact with us and now start to actually attempt to talk all because of the difference in attitude. ABA is great for some kids just not all.
TTFCrew 2 years ago
I am a son rise mum who has been running a program for several years, I have done all of the courses in Son Rise and I run a full time program for my son who has made magnificent progress, so I understand how it operates completely and I understand that you have just read the website. Son Rise sees autism as a relational disorder not a behavioural disorder, therefore relationships are our primary focus, of course the way we behave affects our ability to form and maintain relationships, but,
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Your point that the video says that ABA does not allow parental choice is completely inaccurate, if you watch the video again you will find that ABA man says "all I've wanted my whole life was for every state and every school in the country to fund only ABA". Do you think that too? Is that what you want? Or do you agree with Son Rise man, that parents should be offered funding for either ABA or Son Rise or indeed another intervention of their choice.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
This is perfect and it is just to show that our kids are individuals! You are placed on the spectrum due to 3 things. 1. lack or or delay in communication, 2. challenges with social interactions and 3. what is termed as repetitive or stereotypical behavior. This manifests itself differently for each child and ABA is not the solution or way for EVERY child. SonRise is a blessing for our family. That is the simple point of the video. Let a parent choose and treat our kids as individuals!
TTFCrew 2 years ago
2. In doing so, we also give ourselves the same physiological experience as the child so that we can uncover the reason that they are chewing: are they trying to stimulate their mouths because they are numb, do they have glue ear and are trying to clear their tubes so they can hear, do they have an aural fungal infection, do their teeth hurt etc once we have found out what the physical challenge is we can help them with that and then they no longer need to chew. Most important - our Attitude.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Great an example, in ABA you take away one thing to chew on and give them something else to chew on, so you haven't replaced the behaviour you have replaced the chewed object, the child didn't do this you did! In Son Rise we would replace the chewed object to a safe one, but then chew on another similar object - join the child. We want to experience what they experience without judging it and in doing so communicate our acceptance of their choice of activity and our love for them.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
At no time has SR said that ABA is bad, you mfeleon03 are the one who has put the words 'ABA' and 'bad' into the same sentence. Check all of my posts if you like, S R does not call anything bad, we don't judge. As I said before research has to include something measureable and observable which would have to be behaviour, you can't measure attitude and feelings but this doesn't mean that SR treats behaviour as the main focus of it's intervention, SR is more interested in the internal experience.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
As a parent who has tried both ABA and SonRise fairly extensively, I must say I appreciate these adverts . . . it's nice to have the entire parental community be reminded that when ABA does not work for their children, there is still hope . . . ABA -- after years of extensive work -- created more tantrums and problems. SonRise solved them. That was our experience, and I'm thrilled to have others introduced to . . .HOPE!
DarvaDee 2 years ago 2
How do you decide what input a child receives from engaging in the stimulatory behaviour as you can't get inside the child to find out?
meadowlotus 2 years ago
I was commenting on you point about the research that you are stating makes ABA in your opinion better than Son Rise, they collect data and then draw conclusions which at the end of the day are assumptions about why what occured happened and then recommend a method. Nothing to do with the day to day running of an ABA program.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
I love your "there is no 'belief' it is all objective" That is such a belief that you hold.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
2. educated. But now the current thinking has moved on and people are looking at his hard data and drawing different conclusions. The same is true of ABA as you say it is constantly changing, from the early days of Lovaas to now, whether a child takes a brick and puts it in a box in 1965 or 2010 it still looks the same. Same hard data different conclusion, so reliance on the outcomes of such studies is a false security as they are totally affected by the beliefs of the researcher.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Absolutely, if someone sits in a room and counts the number of time a child does a prescribed act within a given space of time then that is your hard data, and I agree that it would be hard to argue with that, but what happens next is that the hard data is processed and conclusions drawn, these are based on the belief system of the people making the conclusions, look what has happened to so much of Jean Piaget's work, he collected hard data and then drew conclusions about how children should be
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Or the antecedent: therapist shows the child the toys and says 'say ball', Behaviour: the child stims and the consequences.........
meadowlotus 2 years ago
If you are going to do research, you have to pick something which is measureable, which is why they have to address skills or behaviour, how would you suggest measuring love or attitudes. So actually assessing the efficacy of a Son Rise program has to use behaviours even though that isn't the focus of the program. But what I know doesn't need a research paper to prove it. My son used to spend the whole day playing with his back to me, now he says I am his best friend and he wants to play with me
meadowlotus 2 years ago
On shaping behaviours ABA totally are the explorers that is your chosen focus, Son Rise is not in the game for behaviour shaping we have different goals, which is why the adverts have been created in the way they have, your main focus is behaviour Son Rise focuses on relationship. So when I look at my son I see my first want above everything is to love him and for us to have a love of rapport between us, whether he chews his wrist, can play Mozart or do maths isn't my focus although he can do.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
Actually those scientists did have 'hard' data, they looked at the sun and the stars and used the level of observation that was available at that time - they used what was available and drew conclusions, which is exactly what every scientist does the world over. Then the explorers came along and showed that different information was available and so people changed their view, if everything was available now there would be no future advances in science as clearly we know it all now.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
I can't wait until Son Rise is so well known that parents will always have the option of having the school pay for it! Until then, I am glad that parents can run the programs themselves putting the power in their hands.
gataburton 2 years ago
ABA uses the model Antecedent, behaviour, consequences - right. Every lesson revolves around this principle, no matter what is being taught or who the child is. That is the cookie cutter, because you the therapist is constantly manipulating the consequences to shape the child's behaviour. Son Rise has a variety of ways to help a child grow in to the best version of themselves that they can be, the child is inspired with love not manipulated with a reward system.
meadowlotus 2 years ago
which is actually no more than our best guess is to give parents a false sense of security in ABA. We all know that statistics can be manipulated to back up our own theories as they are collected using a method to support a hypothesis. So therefore statistics can be used in the same way that drunks use a lampost - more for support than illumination.
meadowlotus 2 years ago 2
At one time scientists thought that they had evidence to prove that the world was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe and so many other things which subsequently turned out not to be so. But people based their choices of activity on that false science. In a court evidence is used not as proof as a court knows that doesn't exist but to lead a jury to a verdict beyond all reasonable doubt. To claim that ABA is in someway superior to other interventions because it uses evidence
meadowlotus 2 years ago 2
@mdeleon03 Just to clarify, ABA has best results when done 1 on 1. Doing it has a group in class won't have the same results. Plus, many school systems are known for cutting corners on special needs, so don't expect true adherence to ABA. They've been doing research on SR & I can hardly wait for results to be published. I believe that once that happens it will be mind blowing. Studies by Case Western University's Dr. Gerald Mahoney & Duke U experiments show the validity of various SR techniques
nikasmomma 2 years ago 2
Son-Rise CHOSE their representative. Who chose this "ABA" actor? He does not represent me. Which ABA practitioner are you slandering here? This is no way to bring people to "your side." There are MANY similarities between ABA & Son-Rise. This UGLY other-ism doesn't serve to build Son-Rise up by belittling another group of helping professionals.
Behaviortrish 2 years ago
I don't think this video has anything to do with taking 'sides' but just showing that there is more than one option for autism treatment, often ABA is presented as being the only option whereas in fact there are many option of which Son Rise and ABA are but two. But at least parents can know there is a choice and then research for themselves. These adverts don't give enough information for anyone to decide what to do, they are just signposts for two options. It's then a free choice.
meadowlotus 2 years ago 5
@Behaviortrish I take it as rather satire like. Also, to be fair, for years, many prominent ABA people have overtly belittled and ridiculed Son-Rise and Son-Rise parents. If you choose to be offended, that's your right, but I don't see the belittling in it. To be noticed on YouTube, you need a clever idea, thus the use of satire that I believe is done with good natured humor. I see absolutely no malicious qualities to this video.
nikasmomma 2 years ago 3
Perhaps Son-Rise was able to choose their representative. Was ABA? Whoever this "ABA" person is certainly does NOT represent any Behavior Analyst I know. This may seem playful to, you, Raun. But to me, it's lumping everyone into a group that is only represented by a discription you provide.
Behaviortrish 2 years ago