Thanks for illustrating this so clearly. I'm amazed that anybody now thinks of a GSD as an "athletic" or "agile" dog. GSDs today (German or American) have the athletic prowess of a Pekingese, & you never see GSDs in agility. In the old days, they were very impressive. I saw a YouTube video from the 40's of a GSD springing off a guy's back and going 11' in the air over a spiked iron gate. I also agree 100% Schutzhund breeders create "sharp" temperaments, then sell the dogs as "safe family pets."
Captain Max von Stephanitz, look what they have gone and done! Working German lines are as close to what your ideas where. Please leave or working sables alone!
All the real original german shepherds have straight back. The ones with the slop backs are the over bread ones. Look at Hitler's blondi had a straight back
All breeders should watch this!!! I'm sure the poor folks out there who buy a puppy would not be aware that they could experience chronic problems with their backs/hind legs. I'd rather have a dog with a straight back. Come on breeders, who wants this?
In the United States a German Shepherd won the herding group in the 136th annual Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show. Made it all the way to the finals. When it walked, it looked so awkward. Even my grandmother, who had no idea about the half dog, half frog controversy mentioned that it's gait looked odd.
1.How can you love a certain breed of dog and then breed it to NOT DO what it was intended to do all for show while never realizing you are ruining the breed?
2. How can you justify breeding an athletic working dog into this? Those GSD do not look like they could run/herd anything down. They would definately fail a GSD obstacle course. Poor dogs.
I dont like how their backs have sloped down, its unnatural and causes bad health problems :(
I made this picture comparing the old breed to the new, and 'The American Alsatian' The kennel club, and big organisations like crufts should really start amending problems in breeds of dogs, for future healthier happier animals :)
Well, what can we do? Since I was little, I fell in love with the German Shepherd breed, I had a nice European 1 :) with a straight back. He was very strong. Unfortunately my baby passed away 2summers ago. I just got another1 last summer! I went to the wrong breeder bc I don't have his certificate& I noticed it's an American GS. he def. has weak back legs.I get comments about his back legs. He's also more hyper than my previous GS...i still love him though<3
There's a breeder in Donegal, South Ireland still breeding big strong straight backed german sheperds, my friends father bred sheperds, i like them although my own dog of choice is pit/staffordshire bullterriers, I think it's a disgrace and a shame how they have bred the sheperd to look like a low-rider dog at the back, they lack strength in their back legs, they don't walk properly, & in shows they should stand naturally instead of on their back knee, the dog has feet (paws) for a reason.
Not to mention the arthritis the dogs tend to get in the back hips because of the way they have been bred to have the lower hips and slanted back over the years!
I was actually very very lucky with my last champion. She had an excellent breeder. Her back was pretty straight, definitely not like what's showing throughout the 80s-2000s.
Im a huge gsd lover but only the working ones, and it sickens me to see owners today of that breed that have NO CLUE about the slope or they just dont care, open your eyes and see the truth it is hurting the dog and stop denying you sick bastards, you will one day kill the breed so open your eyes. sick and tired of this, it doesnt matter if the pictures were wrong in the time, it is showing the truth, and you gsd owners needs to see it
look at the wolves the wild wolf they have a back exactly as that long straight- if nature selects it is stronger. I see no roach back in any "wild canine!"! so until you can show me a wild canine with a roach back I refuse to believe it is stronger!
moreover, did you notice the extreme LONG soft back on the champion of the 1950's to the 2000 Champion? Give me angles any day over a dog that has a long soft back. But. since you have no clue as to what you are talking about, you wouldnt notice it.
your videos are incorrect. the dogs depicted for 2000 were dogs showed in the 80s.. (american), this is why I do not like when backyard breeders such as yourself try explaining My breed.
@hearingdoctor you mean the dying breed, they cant work anymore, they can barely stand, it doesnt mattter if the pictures were set on wrong timeline , what matters is about saving the breed, do something about it
seeing this video has definitely opened my eyes, i'm going to adopt a gshepherd at some point and i definitely won't be looking for no bent back bitch!
I have seen super unstable shy dogs with shutzhund titles being nervous and hyper makes a good shutzhund dog not necessarily a stable temper I was in the sport for years I quite whne the leaders gsd nearly killed his neighbors child only 6 years old..
. why not breed them like they were 50 years ago calm enough for the family but enough drive to do it all... yes I understand this breed very well.... I just see it from the point of where 90 % of all purebred dogs go the average family... schutzhund by the way is nearly worthless for proving true working ability perhaps you need to learn the breed better as the history goes they were herding dogs first not schutzhund dogs..
@royalairgsd I so agree with what you are saying. Schutzhund, instead of becoming a test of a great dog, has become a competition among humans to see who can shock their dog into submission the best for a totally "flawless" performance, and "drive" now equates to aggressive craziness, rather than working ability that should have an appropriate shut off switch. If a dog cannot be trusted by your fireplace, he shouldn't be in your cruiser either because his temperament is unstable.
german shepherds like any breed should be a family pet first weather you breed for schutzhund or show 90% of your puppies will go to the average family. I simply maintain why not breed for a temperament that produces a family pet /protector. l have shepherds I bred that are working as guide dogs for the blind, drug dogs and lots of high level obedience.
I will say though that I don't necessarily agree entirely with breeding for Schutzhund. Schutzhund was meant to be a means through which the ability of the dog to do other jobs could be assessed. Now itself is an end. This can result in dogs that have very high prey drives that can make them unsuitable and unsafe as pets. To win a competition you need these high drives, but to obtain the titles you do not - that can be done with breeding for intelligence and high pack drive.
What has happened to these dogs is a travesty, but that said, your post reveals that you don't really understand your breed. With the GSD, nothing was meant to be of greater importance than working ability. As a working dog, there was no point in breeding dogs that did not possess the ability and desire to work - hence the development of Schutzhund. Any GSD's that fail these tests should not be bred from - if you want a dog without working drives, choose another breed?
Just watch the Shepherd in almost any dog show and tell me that looks normal! Especially the british shepherds, to see one of those dogs walking around the ring makes me pretty upset, bunch of inbred people watching a bunch of inbred dogs, shameful!
the roach back I believe is very week more so even then the slop back if you look at nature all wild dogs "all of them" have straight backs ,nature selects the strongest conformation... the theory that a roach back is stronger is totally obserd. and I agree shutzhund was never part of the gsd when it started so why the big deal about it now they are a herding breed not a sport schutzhund breed.
the Germans recently changed their standards to to fit what they are breeding now. The Germans are turning their dogs at least the show lines into jack russel terrors in German shepherd coats. a dog that has been so bred for schutzhund they are so hyper so prey driven they are no longer suitable for the average family. in the 1920's- the 50's the shepherd was still used for herding and was much calmer. still high energy but at least they didn't bounce of the walls
sorry buddy but you have no ideea about gsd! try to have a litter according to the german club requieremnets and you will see hpw serious are the europeans. you Mickey Mouse breeder
my shepherd looks like its from the 50's and and here in australia, every other gsd i've seen looks like that, there are some fuck wit breeders out there breeding for that frog type look, but to say the breed is fucked, or to base the entire change of the shepherd buy using a couple of photos, is misleading and fucked, not all shepherds look like that, infact very few do, a few, is too many, granted, but the breed hasnt changed that much, awesome breed, awesome friend
its terrible how these people think they are improving the breed.....i blame it on inbreeding and ignorant stubourn people....theres nothing i wouldnt give to have todays german shepherds looking like that 40s german line
@3S3M0NSTRIT0 I agree. today's dog looks like it is about ready to butt scoot it's rump along the ground. or that it was trying to apologize by lowering it's rump in shame. it would have been considered a "weak" tendancy and those dogs would have been culled. instead of being allowed to breed.
GSD working lines are the best and the most consistent through out time IMO. They are still the closest to the true to the old time GSD standard in build and temperament." A Sable GSD is stable GSD" (my motto)
the english lines alot of them have turned into the newer german lines yes the show lines both german and american lines are much smaller then they used to be.
How about the English bred lines? They used to be really quite heavy set, long straight backs and huge heads. Brinton and Rossfort were good lines from the 50s/60s - not sure what the top lines are today ... lost touch with all that.
Although I was at a dog show a while back and the GSDs there looked like foxes - they were tiny!
It's not destruction, it's evolution, buteven the german dogs in this video are show dogs not the real working germanshepherd dog that only few breeders care to preserve. But at least german lines almost always havereal persolality and look like dogs,not lizzards like the hiper energetic, full of congenital diseases ,small headed with thin legs that walk sitted american ones.I mean, every dog is different of course but usually american lines aren't well balanced dogs, mentaly and phisically.
not gonna lie, my breeder has done a great job at trying to get back to the basics of what Captain Max Von Stephanitz started. My female GSD has a straight back big paws, and a good sized head for a female. I love her very much.
exactly see my video Hitler vs Crufts showing dogs is killing dogs man is selecting not nature. You would not breed bees for looks if they could not make honey and anyone who thinks schutzhund does not matter with the GSD they are kidding themselves after all this was a test by yes the Max von Stephanitz to see if a dog was worth breeding from so learn your history on the breed before you comment if you want a dog to run round in circles buy a greyhound.
exactly, a working shepherd is the only shepherd. these fat ass people prancing around a show ring, get the fuck out of here. if i were going to get an american shepherd, it would likely be a WGS, i owned one, he was steady as a rock, did SCH and he hit like a truck, lived to be nearly 13yrs old 110lbs w/ the last rib visible, he was over sized but he had very pronounced male features, big chest, huge head, not like many of today's sexless GSD. now that cyrus is gone it's black sable DDR for me!
Show GSD breeders care more for the structure of the dog, look at the pictures, even look at 1900s thats the original german shepherd, now all they want is too look pretty, look at hind legs, I think they breed out the the good characteristics now you got 2 kind of GSD, working and show, back then it was just one.
I breed German Shepherds I got my first 38 years ago I have two pups in the Police . I have a son of Pakros D'Ulmental 2007 World Sieger and I have working Czech Z Pohranicni straze dogs also. I know my my showline are weak and inferior I love them so much they are like a pet but I do not wish this type for the breed. If you want a pet buy a Miniature Schnauzer not a working dog. Keep my German Shepherd a working dog " taken from The German Shepherd Dog written by Max von Stephanitz
hi guys i have a pure breed german shepherd dog and i had a concern that i wanted a answer too. my dogs back feet when he stands are pointing in to each other at the hock and of other gsd the feet/hock are are face out wards from a back view like a upside down V . i hope people under stand what i mean. so i was wondering if this is a good thing or bad. as far as i know he has strong legs. please let me know.
I cannot believe this is considered the proper standard for German Sheppard. The hind legs of these dogs look terrible. Maybe the british elite got tired of inbreeding themselves so they went to the dogs instead. Most the dogs i have seen in these dog shows look awful.
wenn die von dir besagten leute mit dem hund nicht fertig werden liegt das wohl oder übel daran das sie das tier einfach nicht genügend auslasten. wenn man nur mit einem hund spazieren gehen will soll man sich einfach ein Pudel kaufen oder einen DSH aus der showlinie. die sind so triebig wie ein schlafender hund
also 1. mal vergleich mal bitte die show- mit der leistungslinie da sieht man doch schon krasse unterschiede... Der rücken ist im vergleich zur showlinie gerader und der Hund an sich viel kleiner... Meine hünde hat eine risthöhe von 56 was für heutige verhältnisse klein ist
2. ich komme aus dem Schutzdienstbereich und habe eine extrem hochtriebige hündin, trotz alledem ist sie zuhause, was viele nicht glauben, total releaxed und schläft und döst den ganzen tag nur rum.
its not the owners fault initially for wanting one of these roached german shepherds, it the judges fault for telling ppl that this is the breed standard, clearly looking back on history it IS NOT the breed standard. The judges in CRUFTS should be slapped with an animal welfare fine and be banned for life from shows for allowing these mutations into the show ring and telling ppl that they are correct ,you cant argue with a vet, they look like they are about to colaps, SHAME ON YOU!!!
the best hope for any "working" breed, it seems to me, is for enough variation to exist to allow for the needs of the various sub groups of owners. If only 2% of GSD owners have any intention of training the dogs in Schutzhund - it is a bad idea to use success in that venue as the main selective criteria. One can't honestly believe that a gene pool large enough to sustain the breed could exist without the placement of many pups in pet homes.
Interesting video. One should be made for every breed then presented to judges and breeders. The 'breed standard' shouldn't be changed because of a certain 'style' that's winning at the time. I've seen some nice 'old school' GSDs at UKC shows (primarily German lines) and they don't display the roached back or extreme angulation that the video shows. Good work
What people forget is the German shepherd was bred to be more than just a herding dog, it was to multi task and both herd the sheep and guard them. They are an amazing breed, and the best in my opinion. Every decade or so, there is a new dog that gets some spotlight as the next best thing,.... but they always fail and no other dog can match the German shepherd in all round abilities, period!
@1sowild - funny you mention that because i was arguing with a so-called expert on another video who claims that herding dogs like the line Germans came from did not protect the livestock. he just refused to believe it... it was crazy.
@Amidat Yea,lol, it's crazy, because that is what seperates the German shepherd from most herding dogs... they specifically bred them to do 2 jobs in 1, both herd them, and protect them from predators. Thats why they are unique from any other dog; a livestock guardian and herder in 1! An amazing breed.
This is sad but what would you expect when people start messing with the breed. Sadder still is that every breed looks very different than what they did when the breed first started but don't tell show people that they will say you are wrong and that this is how the breed should look.
Disgusting, who the hell would encourage that? Is a ribbon really that precious? If so you need to get out more. People who buy these dogs are just as bad it's so cruel
@Royalairdogsrule There are alot of good breeders for GSD`s in Hungary, bigger and more straight than the American Lines. Good temper also. In Hungary there are more Dysplasias with the Rottweiler..
I disagree with this video. You can't generalize dogs together like that. I have two German Shepherds and they are great family pets, and my teacher grew up with them as well. It all depends on the breeder you get them from, if the breeder is choosing to breed the more rambunctious and hyperactive dogs, than the puppies will turn out hyper die to the selective breeding. All dogs have different temperaments, so you can not generalize all Shepherds as hyper or aggressive.
I love the traits on the heads of the European lines but I prefer the straighter backs of the American lines. Are there breeders that offer a happy medium?
Dogs used to be bred for herding not shutzhund Some are good family pets but I have seen over the last ten years the energy levels rise very high because those dogs get higher scores in schutzhund. just talking to an sch breeder the other day he's breeding a female high drive said the puppies will get top scores But can't keep her in the house she would destroy it. but in his mind this is a great breeding dog! not in my world. or most other peoples for that matter. Most people want a family pet
Why not go to a breeder that breeds for a temperment suitable for your lifestyle Some people prefer a higher strung dog (think border collie) while others prefer a mellower pet Also GSDs suitable for police work need different temperments than ones that will be family pets Pesonally as a breed I would rather see more German shepards bred for work Either way I do agree with your fury, some dogs are getting fucked by idiot breeders (think English bulldog and the white GSD).
Then they should stick with non WORKING breeds, if you think TRUE herding dogs aren't crazy high drive you're fooling yourself, herding dogs are no more suited to the house than SCH dogs are.
@badkittyamy if you want to breed a crasy high drive dog that a family can't handle you go ahead I never will because the shepherd is first and formost a family pet and protector.. it not all about shutzhund 99% of all shepherds bred go into an average family.. why not breed for that.. that is what the shepherd used to be.
NO the shepherd was a HERDING dog, and if you think a low drive dog is suitable for protection... protection dogs are MUCH higher drive than anything required by SCH, I am endlessly amused that you think people that breed for SCH produce "crazy" dogs. If you can't handle a sch dog maybe it's best to stick to shit zhu's
@badkittyamy i so agree with you i breed gs working lines and yes they are a hand full but so is any dog and these peolple want a gs to be this happy little dog what will happen when someone breaks into their house. my dogs will bite the sh_t out of them and that is what i want and the people who buy my pups but they understand it still comes from training. Not all dogs born are crazy it the owners that can make them that way ( no training)
@Royalairdogsrule then the obvious thing to do is screen homes, duh?.. wouldn't it be obvious to state "working home only".. I'm all for working dogs, GSDs are NOT family pets to begin with, they are a working breed and need to be worked. If you think you get a GSD just to jog every day with, then i pity the dog. They are good in many sports (shutzhund for example) because they were bred to PROTECT and HERD stock unlike other herding dogs her were mostly meant to drive it, not to protect it.
@Royalairdogsrule The German Shepherd is a Herding Dog and a Working Dog First and Foremost, a loyal friend and family pet second. If breeders bred for "family pets" as you want, there would be no good working German Shepherds for real world applications like police dogs and military dogs. If you want a German Shepherd Pet, there are plenty of breeders that breed for that. If you want a real working dog, there are breeders like me. vonwoden.com
@badkittyamy Most working line German shepherds DON'T need SCH training to guard because guarding is natural to them. It goes back to there original roots of not only herding... but also guarding sheep from predators. That's what separates the GSD from other herding dog's; the German shepherd was bred to both herd the sheep and guard them making them a multi task farm dog. Any GSD i have owned was a "natural guardian" and very protective.
I totally disagree in the 50's German shepherds were the number one family pet! Breeding for sport schutzhund and extreme energy levels is ruining this breed for the family..Breeding for extreme energy , hyper nuts because they are better schutzhund dogs has done more to destroy the breed then show breeding.
@Royalairdogsrule - life in the 1950's was very different. Most ppl didn't live in "cute" suburbs yet...that trend was just starting. So the dog still having a "work" mentality wasn't a problem. Most of them I'm sure probably lived outside in the dog house as well. People have the same complaints now about retrievers... they forgot what the retrievers original intent was..and it was not to sit on a sofa.. so they get upset because the dog is too hyper indoors.
People think my personal protection GSD is a mixed breed. She's not the prettiest flower in the garden but she is healthy & athletic. She came from Slovak Republic. Lives with five 10lb Havanese, a cat & two small children. We go out 3-4 times per day for hard play and 3 mile walk, we enjoy it. If you want a lap dog, then don't get a GSD for your family, you won't be able to handle their drive a working dog is just that!
I talked to a women not to far back who's mother bred High line german lines. wanted a calmer dog cause hers were hyper nuts and did not want to get a puppy from this female her mom was breeding who was so hyper she had to be crated when ever she was in the house or she would destroy the house. This type of breeding is what ultimately will destroy this breed.
that is not true it is for years the gsd was the number one house pet .what the what working line breeders are making them into now are no longer house pets. The breed has been ruined much more buy schutzhund breeders trying to breed dogs that act more like jack russel terroirs because it makes them do better in sport Schutzhund. they are breeding a calm temper away. this is what has damaged the breed even more then show breeding. breeding temper that a family can hadle is lost on you people.
that is not true it is for years the gsd was the number one house pet what the working line breeders are makeing them into now are no longer house pets
These are just pictures and not good ones at that in alot of instances. An American dog of American picture with Jimmy Moses is not for the 50's as pictured, but from the 70's I believe.Yes, both countries have gone in different directions. Both have faults and both have virtues. This is not only common to the German Shepherd Dog, but do most breeds of dogs, horses, cats, etc....anything that man has a part in. And as a working dog, the original GSD'sdo not look like they have good strong back
I am so glad that I have had five with similar lines to the 1950'2 champion. The other two were very roached backed & heavy boned. I am looking for a suitable bitch to breed from my current dog, it won't have a roached back!
Ok I am not totally disagreeing with this video. My only concern is in each photo the way the dogs are standing is different. In the 2010 photo it appears that the dog has a lowered stance with his hind feet to begin with. Enhancing the slope. I still think they are a damn good dog and can't wait till I can get one.
How would one go about breeding out a stud for the pick of the litter? I have a great all black GSD that is high energy,kind and loyal. His back hips are not low he weighs about 95-100lbs depending. He is four years old all I want is to preserve his traits and also give one to my father.
Fortunately all three of my GSDs look more like the older ones. They don't have that horrible slope in their backs, and they just naturally stand like that. I always thought something was wrong that they didn't have that sloping back, but now I am very relieved to see that they are better off that way.
breeding and harming life in such a way is sickening indeed too hear about. this just shows that humanity more than abit deserves what happens too them. just wait till you pass on too the spiritual, some humans are good, but most of yea will get what you deserve soon enough.
my favorite dog breed...ruined. Now we should do the same ting to the people that bred them into this shape. Let's see if they like to have a roached back....stupid...
Just wondering..what exactly does your video show? The fact that the breed progressed to what it is now because of the selections in the past? If you wanted to prove a point, a 9 minute long video on the photo of Herold aus der Niederlausitz, the Sieger of 1930 and 1931 would've done it, because what you are showing are post WWII dogs which show nothing about how the breed was supposed to be. A good history of changes but not to show that showing ruins a breed.
let us not forget that all breeds of dogs we see today are products of human interference..none of them are in their natural state. german, belgian, and dutch shepherds all came from a common shepherd dog. The show type GSD, is bred specifically to be a trotting dog which can run efficiently for miles without tiring, hence the strong angulations.. so clearly you cannot compare a show gsd to the rest of the working shepherds. A trotting show gsd runs like water,very different from working types.
I hope your jacket tastes good..knock yourself out. Uran wildsteigerland "trots in great speed" 30 miles a day following a pickup truck & doesn't get tired because of his angulation that made it effortless. a gsd without the show lines angulations gallops at that speed and can't gallop for long without tiring.. you need to research more about angulations. German breed wardens know what they're doing, and they're responsible for the advancements in genetic engineering.
Except for the fact that I said OUTLAST you don't seem to have any proof that a working line can't move at a comparable speed because frankly they can and do have to past endurance taste far worse than that. If you keep listening to the BS show people spew you'll also start believing the angulation helps push their head into the air to help with herding.
you don't have to be a genius. its simple physics.. with lesser effort, an angulated lever has more coverage than a straight one. e.g. headlight wipers, suspension swingarms, not to mention the springy action of an L-shaped leg to a straight one. its like comparing a sprinters stride to a marathoners stride. so put together two dogs with similar stamina, one has edge in angulation, runs with a fraction of the effort with equal speed, who'd last long?
lastly, Herman martin and Walter Martin are pillars of the breed, I'm pretty sure they know more about breeding german shepherds than you do.. German line shepherds are tested and rated and can't pass their ztp to be allowed to breed if found defective, I can't say the same about American standards though.
I own a belgian malinois, & a dutch shepherd as well.. these 2 dogs are fantastic runners but my gsds fluid effortless gait is too much for them after a few minutes running
you also have to understand that a gsd is a very popular breed, and because of that, .irresponsible breeding played a big role & why we see defects like roach back, steep croups, hip dysplasia in present gsds. take note, a roach back is not the standard topline of a show gsd. It's a defect.
oh yes of Course the Americans are better then germans because their better then Everyone else so their dogs are better too? many countries were better then the USA in many things and still are
Yes it is sad the german shepherd is not only afflicted with breeders who breed a show conformation but many breed for a sport that demands extreme energy and intense drives, what makes a dog good for sport generally makes for a poor family pet for the average family. They weren't meant to be jack russel terroirs in german shepherd coats either..
the reason why we see these defects in german gsds is because they are a very popular breed, and more dogs can also lead to more irresponsible breedings. look at the more rare dutch shepherd which is a breed not bred for beauty, they are really fantastic dogs for agility but doesn't trot like a gsd.
@Royalairdogsrule A working line like the GSD should have never fallen in the hands of sissies trying to make it "look pretty", truth is this dog was never meant to be a "house pet" there are many other dogs bred to be companions, the GSD was meant for a person who wanted or needed a dog with high instincts, high intelligence and physical prowess.
All I can say is, over the years of my life I have seen much, much fewer ownership of GS. And I live were dogs are it seems in every other household. I miss seeing this breed so I started to look for reasons. All I heard increasingly for the last 10-15 years is Pitbull, Rotweiller. Now that I think about it Doberman Pinscher is another breed That was more common when I was a kid, just as the GS I rarely see them anymore. So I am doing some research for curiosity sake.
the last time i checked. the breed standard has changed for the GSD for it to have a straight back. as the sloped back causes hip and back problems at a young age. and essentially destroying the breed.
I just finished 12 years with a beautiful "throwback" shepherd that came from the humane society.
Big head, straight back, long legs & huge paws. If I never get to have another dog again, I'm ok with that because I've had the best...oh, and by the way, the breeders that took the dogs away from my type are idiots.
@hmt227 Very true words. Show bred German Shepherds are not real German Shepherds. The creator of the GSD created them to be a working breed, not a pet.
this is how Americans get shit wrong! at @8:28 it's not that the 50s dogs head is smaller but that he has a muscular build compared to the fat Americanized victim/dog... and... notice how the 50s dogs top of the head is so round(like a brain bubble) containing a brain twice the size to today's inbred show dogs, plus in reality/nature, natural selection gave 4 legged animals 4 legs of equal length, WTF humans! why?!
most would not consider it a good change the German roach back often OFA's with changes the spine "tansitional vertebrea" I think it also makes the dog have less ability to jump.. some disagree with me while the show line slope in the hind end can sometimes be so extreme that the dogs cannot climb stairs. a straight back like a wild dog/wolf is best that is what nature has selected to be the best and most stable.
I am researching the breed because i like it. But to me these so called show dogs look deformed compared to the earlier lines of the 40's. I hope if i choose to get a shepherd, that I can avoid getting one of those weird looking dogs of today. Shame on the breeders and judges.
I feel the need to applaud you. When people decided to dogs for appearance and pure performance instead of for overall health, problems understandably arose. Health and temperament should have priority. I'd much rather have a dog that isn't exactly pretty but has a great temperament and is healthy than a beautiful, hyper active nutball that has a handful of bad genes and needs to see the vet every three weeks.
hey im currently doing a project and i cant find anything solid and your my last hope :') some germans shepard have obvioulsy gained the 'show spine' in so many words and dog shows go mad for something so wrong...my question is can this be seen as an improvement in the species as its a change or is it classified as something else ???? thankyou
And this right here is why I HATE dog breeding and shows. I think the 40's real German Shepherds are some, if not the, most beautiful looking dogs, and since then they've ruined the breed. I really sickens me to think how some people go into great lengths just to make them look all wrong and just to win some damn prices, while at the same time they drift further and further away from the original looks and develop all sorts of problems. One day I will get a proper looking GS...
It is disgusting what has been done to the GS. They used to be the ultimate all-around dog. Now they are racked with disease, one of the most unhealthy breeds today. They are also the number one biters in the US. How can any breeder be trusted? Are there any good lines left intact? I doubt it. So sad.
This is my favorite breed because these dogs have purpose. It breaks my heart to see people breeding them for show and aesthetics and it's crippling to the dog. Thank goodness I was lucky enough to adopt a working line GSD and his back is straight but his head and paws are not as big as the 1940's-1960's GSDs. Great video though!!
What I would find really interesting would be to compare dogs as they normally stand on their own, rather than posed for the show ring. The show ring not only influences anatomy, it also influences showing styles. Let's compare dogs in their natural state so that we know the differences are anatomy, not handling. btw, I personally don't like the "banana backs" or the weak hind quarters that are so often seen today.
Yeah for fashion and all people see is the showline dog. But did you ever look into the working line dogs? Mine are working line and they still look like the ones from the past. Straight back, good hips, good temperament and overall great health. I despite show-dogs!
Wow look at how the the sloping begins in the 70's.. for the German lines.. ugh.. I am glad my working dog is from Czech lines.. nice and solid and square.. built like a brick house.
they should totally ban dog shows, or at least unqualified judges. They should also grade it based on survivability in the wild not just looks. Kinda sad how these show dogs have devolved into little pansies. Even the NYPD has to import german shepherds from europe cuz the american versions are too weak of a breed.
Thanks for illustrating this so clearly. I'm amazed that anybody now thinks of a GSD as an "athletic" or "agile" dog. GSDs today (German or American) have the athletic prowess of a Pekingese, & you never see GSDs in agility. In the old days, they were very impressive. I saw a YouTube video from the 40's of a GSD springing off a guy's back and going 11' in the air over a spiked iron gate. I also agree 100% Schutzhund breeders create "sharp" temperaments, then sell the dogs as "safe family pets."
k9shrink 12 hours ago
This approach of making a GSD eye-candy in the Us and Germany may be why the police departments get the GSDs from the Chek republic or slovenia.
kmtominey 1 day ago
Captain Max von Stephanitz, look what they have gone and done! Working German lines are as close to what your ideas where. Please leave or working sables alone!
kgrluv 1 day ago
I'm so happy my breeder is more old school... My sheps really look like the ones in the 1940's pics...
NadyaArteau 3 days ago
All the real original german shepherds have straight back. The ones with the slop backs are the over bread ones. Look at Hitler's blondi had a straight back
beenwallballz1939 5 days ago
Now the breeders should concentrate on the muzzle of the breed so that it turns into a perfect hyena dog.
HusbandnWifeDuo 1 week ago
All breeders should watch this!!! I'm sure the poor folks out there who buy a puppy would not be aware that they could experience chronic problems with their backs/hind legs. I'd rather have a dog with a straight back. Come on breeders, who wants this?
kasmad09 2 weeks ago
@kasmad09 all my German shepherds got straight backs ;)
TheCaaze 6 days ago
@TheCaaze i think...
TheCaaze 6 days ago
the dog looks like a hyena now.
schnugelischnugg 2 weeks ago
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In the United States a German Shepherd won the herding group in the 136th annual Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show. Made it all the way to the finals. When it walked, it looked so awkward. Even my grandmother, who had no idea about the half dog, half frog controversy mentioned that it's gait looked odd.
Saternoc 2 weeks ago
These dogs look like dromedary camels. That is the most unathletic conformation there is.
petramy 2 weeks ago
1.How can you love a certain breed of dog and then breed it to NOT DO what it was intended to do all for show while never realizing you are ruining the breed?
2. How can you justify breeding an athletic working dog into this? Those GSD do not look like they could run/herd anything down. They would definately fail a GSD obstacle course. Poor dogs.
ddop32 3 weeks ago
upload the PPT, please.
jguerrerofres 3 weeks ago
I dont like how their backs have sloped down, its unnatural and causes bad health problems :(
I made this picture comparing the old breed to the new, and 'The American Alsatian' The kennel club, and big organisations like crufts should really start amending problems in breeds of dogs, for future healthier happier animals :)
AwStitch626 3 weeks ago
Well, what can we do? Since I was little, I fell in love with the German Shepherd breed, I had a nice European 1 :) with a straight back. He was very strong. Unfortunately my baby passed away 2summers ago. I just got another1 last summer! I went to the wrong breeder bc I don't have his certificate& I noticed it's an American GS. he def. has weak back legs.I get comments about his back legs. He's also more hyper than my previous GS...i still love him though<3
WHAT CAN I DO TO SAVE A DYING BREED?
leslieval4 1 month ago
There's a breeder in Donegal, South Ireland still breeding big strong straight backed german sheperds, my friends father bred sheperds, i like them although my own dog of choice is pit/staffordshire bullterriers, I think it's a disgrace and a shame how they have bred the sheperd to look like a low-rider dog at the back, they lack strength in their back legs, they don't walk properly, & in shows they should stand naturally instead of on their back knee, the dog has feet (paws) for a reason.
photographerireland 1 month ago
Not to mention the arthritis the dogs tend to get in the back hips because of the way they have been bred to have the lower hips and slanted back over the years!
herdogs4ever 1 month ago
The GSD at 00:53 looks like my GSD's body type
luvnminaj 1 month ago
I was actually very very lucky with my last champion. She had an excellent breeder. Her back was pretty straight, definitely not like what's showing throughout the 80s-2000s.
she passed in summer time, miss her everyday
kickrocksd00d 1 month ago
Im a huge gsd lover but only the working ones, and it sickens me to see owners today of that breed that have NO CLUE about the slope or they just dont care, open your eyes and see the truth it is hurting the dog and stop denying you sick bastards, you will one day kill the breed so open your eyes. sick and tired of this, it doesnt matter if the pictures were wrong in the time, it is showing the truth, and you gsd owners needs to see it
TheAddicted77 1 month ago
look at the wolves the wild wolf they have a back exactly as that long straight- if nature selects it is stronger. I see no roach back in any "wild canine!"! so until you can show me a wild canine with a roach back I refuse to believe it is stronger!
royalairgsd 1 month ago
sorry I got them directly from the sieger show!! got the year right of the sight , unless they posted the pictures wrong the decade is correct.
royalairgsd 1 month ago
moreover, did you notice the extreme LONG soft back on the champion of the 1950's to the 2000 Champion? Give me angles any day over a dog that has a long soft back. But. since you have no clue as to what you are talking about, you wouldnt notice it.
hearingdoctor 1 month ago
your videos are incorrect. the dogs depicted for 2000 were dogs showed in the 80s.. (american), this is why I do not like when backyard breeders such as yourself try explaining My breed.
hearingdoctor 1 month ago
@hearingdoctor you mean the dying breed, they cant work anymore, they can barely stand, it doesnt mattter if the pictures were set on wrong timeline , what matters is about saving the breed, do something about it
TheAddicted77 1 month ago
seeing this video has definitely opened my eyes, i'm going to adopt a gshepherd at some point and i definitely won't be looking for no bent back bitch!
flipsy87 2 months ago
I have seen super unstable shy dogs with shutzhund titles being nervous and hyper makes a good shutzhund dog not necessarily a stable temper I was in the sport for years I quite whne the leaders gsd nearly killed his neighbors child only 6 years old..
royalairgsd 2 months ago
. why not breed them like they were 50 years ago calm enough for the family but enough drive to do it all... yes I understand this breed very well.... I just see it from the point of where 90 % of all purebred dogs go the average family... schutzhund by the way is nearly worthless for proving true working ability perhaps you need to learn the breed better as the history goes they were herding dogs first not schutzhund dogs..
royalairgsd 2 months ago
@royalairgsd I so agree with what you are saying. Schutzhund, instead of becoming a test of a great dog, has become a competition among humans to see who can shock their dog into submission the best for a totally "flawless" performance, and "drive" now equates to aggressive craziness, rather than working ability that should have an appropriate shut off switch. If a dog cannot be trusted by your fireplace, he shouldn't be in your cruiser either because his temperament is unstable.
sequoyahbean 2 weeks ago
german shepherds like any breed should be a family pet first weather you breed for schutzhund or show 90% of your puppies will go to the average family. I simply maintain why not breed for a temperament that produces a family pet /protector. l have shepherds I bred that are working as guide dogs for the blind, drug dogs and lots of high level obedience.
royalairgsd 2 months ago
I will say though that I don't necessarily agree entirely with breeding for Schutzhund. Schutzhund was meant to be a means through which the ability of the dog to do other jobs could be assessed. Now itself is an end. This can result in dogs that have very high prey drives that can make them unsuitable and unsafe as pets. To win a competition you need these high drives, but to obtain the titles you do not - that can be done with breeding for intelligence and high pack drive.
jacqui835 2 months ago
What has happened to these dogs is a travesty, but that said, your post reveals that you don't really understand your breed. With the GSD, nothing was meant to be of greater importance than working ability. As a working dog, there was no point in breeding dogs that did not possess the ability and desire to work - hence the development of Schutzhund. Any GSD's that fail these tests should not be bred from - if you want a dog without working drives, choose another breed?
jacqui835 2 months ago
Just watch the Shepherd in almost any dog show and tell me that looks normal! Especially the british shepherds, to see one of those dogs walking around the ring makes me pretty upset, bunch of inbred people watching a bunch of inbred dogs, shameful!
afghi420 2 months ago
You know what should be in vogue? Breeding family-friendly dogs capable of living a long healthy life without large vet bills! WORK TOWARDS THAT!
HitomiNoRyu 2 months ago
I have heard that from many people in hungry that the gsd's are very large straight backed dogs.. that is very good to here..
royalairgsd 2 months ago
the roach back I believe is very week more so even then the slop back if you look at nature all wild dogs "all of them" have straight backs ,nature selects the strongest conformation... the theory that a roach back is stronger is totally obserd. and I agree shutzhund was never part of the gsd when it started so why the big deal about it now they are a herding breed not a sport schutzhund breed.
royalairgsd 2 months ago
i never realized the huge change in the backs of the dogs. they actually look almost deformed or weak....
StonerKitten90 2 months ago
the Germans recently changed their standards to to fit what they are breeding now. The Germans are turning their dogs at least the show lines into jack russel terrors in German shepherd coats. a dog that has been so bred for schutzhund they are so hyper so prey driven they are no longer suitable for the average family. in the 1920's- the 50's the shepherd was still used for herding and was much calmer. still high energy but at least they didn't bounce of the walls
royalairgsd 3 months ago
@royalairgsd dont believe everything you think!
cottoniiijoe 3 months ago
sorry buddy but you have no ideea about gsd! try to have a litter according to the german club requieremnets and you will see hpw serious are the europeans. you Mickey Mouse breeder
MrMoys13 3 months ago
my shepherd looks like its from the 50's and and here in australia, every other gsd i've seen looks like that, there are some fuck wit breeders out there breeding for that frog type look, but to say the breed is fucked, or to base the entire change of the shepherd buy using a couple of photos, is misleading and fucked, not all shepherds look like that, infact very few do, a few, is too many, granted, but the breed hasnt changed that much, awesome breed, awesome friend
cottoniiijoe 3 months ago
its terrible how these people think they are improving the breed.....i blame it on inbreeding and ignorant stubourn people....theres nothing i wouldnt give to have todays german shepherds looking like that 40s german line
3S3M0NSTRIT0 3 months ago
@3S3M0NSTRIT0 I agree. today's dog looks like it is about ready to butt scoot it's rump along the ground. or that it was trying to apologize by lowering it's rump in shame. it would have been considered a "weak" tendancy and those dogs would have been culled. instead of being allowed to breed.
sangeliastorck 2 months ago
i liked the gsd from the german line in 1940s pic the best
woo2fly18 3 months ago
GSD working lines are the best and the most consistent through out time IMO. They are still the closest to the true to the old time GSD standard in build and temperament." A Sable GSD is stable GSD" (my motto)
kgrluv 3 months ago
Greta video! shows very nicely how the breeders have much destroyed their back :/
HuntingDoggy 4 months ago
the english lines alot of them have turned into the newer german lines yes the show lines both german and american lines are much smaller then they used to be.
Royalairdogsrule 4 months ago
How about the English bred lines? They used to be really quite heavy set, long straight backs and huge heads. Brinton and Rossfort were good lines from the 50s/60s - not sure what the top lines are today ... lost touch with all that.
Although I was at a dog show a while back and the GSDs there looked like foxes - they were tiny!
Will you check out the English lines :)
soniclady89 4 months ago
german shepherd never did made any changes only them dumb mother fucking owner did the changes
MissCedarbridge1 5 months ago
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TheDogFanatic 5 months ago
it was already too late in your video
Breed Standards and Kennel Clubs at their finest...
TheDogFanatic 5 months ago
search youtube for the DEUTSCHER SHAFERHUND - 110 YEARS OF EVOLUTION-BY EDUARDO DURAN HAEDO - video
TheDogFanatic 5 months ago
that text makes me want to punch my face & my computer screen with the same punch.
Uberboy07 5 months ago
It's not destruction, it's evolution, buteven the german dogs in this video are show dogs not the real working germanshepherd dog that only few breeders care to preserve. But at least german lines almost always havereal persolality and look like dogs,not lizzards like the hiper energetic, full of congenital diseases ,small headed with thin legs that walk sitted american ones.I mean, every dog is different of course but usually american lines aren't well balanced dogs, mentaly and phisically.
missdogirl 6 months ago 2
Schutzhund was designed as a breed test for GSD's. Saying you don't want a GSD that can perform Schutzhund work means you don't want a GSD.
That's fine, but say you want a dog that looks like a GSD that actually isn't a GSD. Be honest about it.
mstrhck 6 months ago
not gonna lie, my breeder has done a great job at trying to get back to the basics of what Captain Max Von Stephanitz started. My female GSD has a straight back big paws, and a good sized head for a female. I love her very much.
dstoryman86 6 months ago
These are all show dogs
WarMachine987 6 months ago
Ugh..Soon the German lines will look like the dog swallowed a Camel and the American lines will only be able to sit and drag themselves around....
BinksXIsXSavage 7 months ago 2
Worst text animation effect possible. Fail.
cole8353 7 months ago
exactly see my video Hitler vs Crufts showing dogs is killing dogs man is selecting not nature. You would not breed bees for looks if they could not make honey and anyone who thinks schutzhund does not matter with the GSD they are kidding themselves after all this was a test by yes the Max von Stephanitz to see if a dog was worth breeding from so learn your history on the breed before you comment if you want a dog to run round in circles buy a greyhound.
saxecoburggsd 7 months ago
exactly, a working shepherd is the only shepherd. these fat ass people prancing around a show ring, get the fuck out of here. if i were going to get an american shepherd, it would likely be a WGS, i owned one, he was steady as a rock, did SCH and he hit like a truck, lived to be nearly 13yrs old 110lbs w/ the last rib visible, he was over sized but he had very pronounced male features, big chest, huge head, not like many of today's sexless GSD. now that cyrus is gone it's black sable DDR for me!
cyruseven75 7 months ago
Show GSD breeders care more for the structure of the dog, look at the pictures, even look at 1900s thats the original german shepherd, now all they want is too look pretty, look at hind legs, I think they breed out the the good characteristics now you got 2 kind of GSD, working and show, back then it was just one.
aries032681 7 months ago
I breed German Shepherds I got my first 38 years ago I have two pups in the Police . I have a son of Pakros D'Ulmental 2007 World Sieger and I have working Czech Z Pohranicni straze dogs also. I know my my showline are weak and inferior I love them so much they are like a pet but I do not wish this type for the breed. If you want a pet buy a Miniature Schnauzer not a working dog. Keep my German Shepherd a working dog " taken from The German Shepherd Dog written by Max von Stephanitz
saxecoburggsd 8 months ago
hi guys i have a pure breed german shepherd dog and i had a concern that i wanted a answer too. my dogs back feet when he stands are pointing in to each other at the hock and of other gsd the feet/hock are are face out wards from a back view like a upside down V . i hope people under stand what i mean. so i was wondering if this is a good thing or bad. as far as i know he has strong legs. please let me know.
superChet21 8 months ago
I cannot believe this is considered the proper standard for German Sheppard. The hind legs of these dogs look terrible. Maybe the british elite got tired of inbreeding themselves so they went to the dogs instead. Most the dogs i have seen in these dog shows look awful.
afghi420 8 months ago
wenn die von dir besagten leute mit dem hund nicht fertig werden liegt das wohl oder übel daran das sie das tier einfach nicht genügend auslasten. wenn man nur mit einem hund spazieren gehen will soll man sich einfach ein Pudel kaufen oder einen DSH aus der showlinie. die sind so triebig wie ein schlafender hund
x3G4nj4Fr34kx3 8 months ago
also 1. mal vergleich mal bitte die show- mit der leistungslinie da sieht man doch schon krasse unterschiede... Der rücken ist im vergleich zur showlinie gerader und der Hund an sich viel kleiner... Meine hünde hat eine risthöhe von 56 was für heutige verhältnisse klein ist
2. ich komme aus dem Schutzdienstbereich und habe eine extrem hochtriebige hündin, trotz alledem ist sie zuhause, was viele nicht glauben, total releaxed und schläft und döst den ganzen tag nur rum.
x3G4nj4Fr34kx3 8 months ago
its not the owners fault initially for wanting one of these roached german shepherds, it the judges fault for telling ppl that this is the breed standard, clearly looking back on history it IS NOT the breed standard. The judges in CRUFTS should be slapped with an animal welfare fine and be banned for life from shows for allowing these mutations into the show ring and telling ppl that they are correct ,you cant argue with a vet, they look like they are about to colaps, SHAME ON YOU!!!
bantheroachbreeders 8 months ago
the best hope for any "working" breed, it seems to me, is for enough variation to exist to allow for the needs of the various sub groups of owners. If only 2% of GSD owners have any intention of training the dogs in Schutzhund - it is a bad idea to use success in that venue as the main selective criteria. One can't honestly believe that a gene pool large enough to sustain the breed could exist without the placement of many pups in pet homes.
ThisbeandPyramus 8 months ago
Interesting video. One should be made for every breed then presented to judges and breeders. The 'breed standard' shouldn't be changed because of a certain 'style' that's winning at the time. I've seen some nice 'old school' GSDs at UKC shows (primarily German lines) and they don't display the roached back or extreme angulation that the video shows. Good work
merledog86 8 months ago
What people forget is the German shepherd was bred to be more than just a herding dog, it was to multi task and both herd the sheep and guard them. They are an amazing breed, and the best in my opinion. Every decade or so, there is a new dog that gets some spotlight as the next best thing,.... but they always fail and no other dog can match the German shepherd in all round abilities, period!
1sowild 9 months ago
@1sowild - funny you mention that because i was arguing with a so-called expert on another video who claims that herding dogs like the line Germans came from did not protect the livestock. he just refused to believe it... it was crazy.
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat Yea,lol, it's crazy, because that is what seperates the German shepherd from most herding dogs... they specifically bred them to do 2 jobs in 1, both herd them, and protect them from predators. Thats why they are unique from any other dog; a livestock guardian and herder in 1! An amazing breed.
1sowild 8 months ago
@1sowild - yes... but they weren't the only herders expected to do the job.- but yes I agree on the unique quality of the breed.
Amidat 8 months ago
Half of this "video" is titles, the other half fuzzy still images scanned from old books. Boring, useless.
dogcatheaven 9 months ago
This is sad but what would you expect when people start messing with the breed. Sadder still is that every breed looks very different than what they did when the breed first started but don't tell show people that they will say you are wrong and that this is how the breed should look.
xXCANINEXx 9 months ago
Disgusting, who the hell would encourage that? Is a ribbon really that precious? If so you need to get out more. People who buy these dogs are just as bad it's so cruel
ThAceQuinn 10 months ago
not generalizing all of them at all breeding to the extreams for spot and show is ruining this breed there are still good breeders of both out there
Royalairdogsrule 10 months ago 8
@Royalairdogsrule There are alot of good breeders for GSD`s in Hungary, bigger and more straight than the American Lines. Good temper also. In Hungary there are more Dysplasias with the Rottweiler..
Holomatchi 2 months ago
I disagree with this video. You can't generalize dogs together like that. I have two German Shepherds and they are great family pets, and my teacher grew up with them as well. It all depends on the breeder you get them from, if the breeder is choosing to breed the more rambunctious and hyperactive dogs, than the puppies will turn out hyper die to the selective breeding. All dogs have different temperaments, so you can not generalize all Shepherds as hyper or aggressive.
FashionDiva181 10 months ago
I love the traits on the heads of the European lines but I prefer the straighter backs of the American lines. Are there breeders that offer a happy medium?
Ezzilevy 10 months ago
Dogs used to be bred for herding not shutzhund Some are good family pets but I have seen over the last ten years the energy levels rise very high because those dogs get higher scores in schutzhund. just talking to an sch breeder the other day he's breeding a female high drive said the puppies will get top scores But can't keep her in the house she would destroy it. but in his mind this is a great breeding dog! not in my world. or most other peoples for that matter. Most people want a family pet
Royalairdogsrule 11 months ago 9
@Royalairdogsrule
Why not go to a breeder that breeds for a temperment suitable for your lifestyle Some people prefer a higher strung dog (think border collie) while others prefer a mellower pet Also GSDs suitable for police work need different temperments than ones that will be family pets Pesonally as a breed I would rather see more German shepards bred for work Either way I do agree with your fury, some dogs are getting fucked by idiot breeders (think English bulldog and the white GSD).
Psychelectric 10 months ago
@Royalairdogsrule
Then they should stick with non WORKING breeds, if you think TRUE herding dogs aren't crazy high drive you're fooling yourself, herding dogs are no more suited to the house than SCH dogs are.
badkittyamy 10 months ago 7
@badkittyamy if you want to breed a crasy high drive dog that a family can't handle you go ahead I never will because the shepherd is first and formost a family pet and protector.. it not all about shutzhund 99% of all shepherds bred go into an average family.. why not breed for that.. that is what the shepherd used to be.
Royalairdogsrule 10 months ago 2
@Royalairdogsrule
NO the shepherd was a HERDING dog, and if you think a low drive dog is suitable for protection... protection dogs are MUCH higher drive than anything required by SCH, I am endlessly amused that you think people that breed for SCH produce "crazy" dogs. If you can't handle a sch dog maybe it's best to stick to shit zhu's
badkittyamy 10 months ago
@badkittyamy i so agree with you i breed gs working lines and yes they are a hand full but so is any dog and these peolple want a gs to be this happy little dog what will happen when someone breaks into their house. my dogs will bite the sh_t out of them and that is what i want and the people who buy my pups but they understand it still comes from training. Not all dogs born are crazy it the owners that can make them that way ( no training)
laflaca0318 9 months ago
@Royalairdogsrule then the obvious thing to do is screen homes, duh?.. wouldn't it be obvious to state "working home only".. I'm all for working dogs, GSDs are NOT family pets to begin with, they are a working breed and need to be worked. If you think you get a GSD just to jog every day with, then i pity the dog. They are good in many sports (shutzhund for example) because they were bred to PROTECT and HERD stock unlike other herding dogs her were mostly meant to drive it, not to protect it.
Jal1515 8 months ago
@Royalairdogsrule The German Shepherd is a Herding Dog and a Working Dog First and Foremost, a loyal friend and family pet second. If breeders bred for "family pets" as you want, there would be no good working German Shepherds for real world applications like police dogs and military dogs. If you want a German Shepherd Pet, there are plenty of breeders that breed for that. If you want a real working dog, there are breeders like me. vonwoden.com
vonwoden 8 months ago
@badkittyamy Most working line German shepherds DON'T need SCH training to guard because guarding is natural to them. It goes back to there original roots of not only herding... but also guarding sheep from predators. That's what separates the GSD from other herding dog's; the German shepherd was bred to both herd the sheep and guard them making them a multi task farm dog. Any GSD i have owned was a "natural guardian" and very protective.
1sowild 8 months ago
This would've been more interesting to watch if things were sped up in this vid.
Fyralynn 11 months ago
@royalair.......WTF are you talking about? Dogs bred for schutzhund are closest to original line and are great family pets.
vegasche1023 11 months ago
Look at the beauty man kind has ruined.
AliceRebbeca 11 months ago
I totally disagree in the 50's German shepherds were the number one family pet! Breeding for sport schutzhund and extreme energy levels is ruining this breed for the family..Breeding for extreme energy , hyper nuts because they are better schutzhund dogs has done more to destroy the breed then show breeding.
Royalairdogsrule 11 months ago 2
@Royalairdogsrule - life in the 1950's was very different. Most ppl didn't live in "cute" suburbs yet...that trend was just starting. So the dog still having a "work" mentality wasn't a problem. Most of them I'm sure probably lived outside in the dog house as well. People have the same complaints now about retrievers... they forgot what the retrievers original intent was..and it was not to sit on a sofa.. so they get upset because the dog is too hyper indoors.
Amidat 9 months ago
People think my personal protection GSD is a mixed breed. She's not the prettiest flower in the garden but she is healthy & athletic. She came from Slovak Republic. Lives with five 10lb Havanese, a cat & two small children. We go out 3-4 times per day for hard play and 3 mile walk, we enjoy it. If you want a lap dog, then don't get a GSD for your family, you won't be able to handle their drive a working dog is just that!
havapupor2 11 months ago 2
omg thats horrible. that has to be painful for them. why would humans want them to look this way? just sick.
live4pce 11 months ago
Yes the german show lines have a very roached back looks painfull, from me experience they often test with OFA with abnormal spine.
Royalairdogsrule 11 months ago 2
The dog that was in best of show in Crufts tonight had a seriously messed up back. Looked like its spine was all curved, horrible.
xxxAllThatJazzxxx 11 months ago
I talked to a women not to far back who's mother bred High line german lines. wanted a calmer dog cause hers were hyper nuts and did not want to get a puppy from this female her mom was breeding who was so hyper she had to be crated when ever she was in the house or she would destroy the house. This type of breeding is what ultimately will destroy this breed.
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago
that is not true it is for years the gsd was the number one house pet .what the what working line breeders are making them into now are no longer house pets. The breed has been ruined much more buy schutzhund breeders trying to breed dogs that act more like jack russel terroirs because it makes them do better in sport Schutzhund. they are breeding a calm temper away. this is what has damaged the breed even more then show breeding. breeding temper that a family can hadle is lost on you people.
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago
that is not true it is for years the gsd was the number one house pet what the working line breeders are makeing them into now are no longer house pets
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago
These are just pictures and not good ones at that in alot of instances. An American dog of American picture with Jimmy Moses is not for the 50's as pictured, but from the 70's I believe.Yes, both countries have gone in different directions. Both have faults and both have virtues. This is not only common to the German Shepherd Dog, but do most breeds of dogs, horses, cats, etc....anything that man has a part in. And as a working dog, the original GSD'sdo not look like they have good strong back
sursebastion 1 year ago
This video is way to slow
hunter11524 1 year ago
wtf, they were even worse in the 70's and 80's
catbearlol 1 year ago
I am so glad that I have had five with similar lines to the 1950'2 champion. The other two were very roached backed & heavy boned. I am looking for a suitable bitch to breed from my current dog, it won't have a roached back!
DingleZilla 1 year ago
video is too slow
TheTHchiX 1 year ago
"Champions from the 40s" ... The Nazi dogs.
TheCanucksfan21 1 year ago
Ok I am not totally disagreeing with this video. My only concern is in each photo the way the dogs are standing is different. In the 2010 photo it appears that the dog has a lowered stance with his hind feet to begin with. Enhancing the slope. I still think they are a damn good dog and can't wait till I can get one.
earnyourkeep101 1 year ago
start with making sure hips and elbows are OFA certified
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago
How would one go about breeding out a stud for the pick of the litter? I have a great all black GSD that is high energy,kind and loyal. His back hips are not low he weighs about 95-100lbs depending. He is four years old all I want is to preserve his traits and also give one to my father.
Emaginationfilms 1 year ago
my dog still has a natural posture and i dont think the human race ruined the breed
GSDLoversVideos 1 year ago
Fortunately all three of my GSDs look more like the older ones. They don't have that horrible slope in their backs, and they just naturally stand like that. I always thought something was wrong that they didn't have that sloping back, but now I am very relieved to see that they are better off that way.
PipersGrip 1 year ago
If they would like to see some frogs, why don't they judge frogs instead of ruining a nice breed? The stupid money-grubbers just let this happen.
Brysonne 1 year ago
breeding and harming life in such a way is sickening indeed too hear about. this just shows that humanity more than abit deserves what happens too them. just wait till you pass on too the spiritual, some humans are good, but most of yea will get what you deserve soon enough.
underfire987 1 year ago
my favorite dog breed...ruined. Now we should do the same ting to the people that bred them into this shape. Let's see if they like to have a roached back....stupid...
trancedj77 1 year ago
Just wondering..what exactly does your video show? The fact that the breed progressed to what it is now because of the selections in the past? If you wanted to prove a point, a 9 minute long video on the photo of Herold aus der Niederlausitz, the Sieger of 1930 and 1931 would've done it, because what you are showing are post WWII dogs which show nothing about how the breed was supposed to be. A good history of changes but not to show that showing ruins a breed.
Britraume 1 year ago
let us not forget that all breeds of dogs we see today are products of human interference..none of them are in their natural state. german, belgian, and dutch shepherds all came from a common shepherd dog. The show type GSD, is bred specifically to be a trotting dog which can run efficiently for miles without tiring, hence the strong angulations.. so clearly you cannot compare a show gsd to the rest of the working shepherds. A trotting show gsd runs like water,very different from working types.
pinoysunoy 1 year ago
@pinoysunoy
The day a show gsd outlasts a working gsd doing anything distance or otherwise I'll eat my jacket
badkittyamy 10 months ago
@badkittyamy
I hope your jacket tastes good..knock yourself out. Uran wildsteigerland "trots in great speed" 30 miles a day following a pickup truck & doesn't get tired because of his angulation that made it effortless. a gsd without the show lines angulations gallops at that speed and can't gallop for long without tiring.. you need to research more about angulations. German breed wardens know what they're doing, and they're responsible for the advancements in genetic engineering.
pinoysunoy 10 months ago
@pinoysunoy
Except for the fact that I said OUTLAST you don't seem to have any proof that a working line can't move at a comparable speed because frankly they can and do have to past endurance taste far worse than that. If you keep listening to the BS show people spew you'll also start believing the angulation helps push their head into the air to help with herding.
badkittyamy 10 months ago
@badkittyamy
you don't have to be a genius. its simple physics.. with lesser effort, an angulated lever has more coverage than a straight one. e.g. headlight wipers, suspension swingarms, not to mention the springy action of an L-shaped leg to a straight one. its like comparing a sprinters stride to a marathoners stride. so put together two dogs with similar stamina, one has edge in angulation, runs with a fraction of the effort with equal speed, who'd last long?
pinoysunoy 10 months ago
@badkittyamy
lastly, Herman martin and Walter Martin are pillars of the breed, I'm pretty sure they know more about breeding german shepherds than you do.. German line shepherds are tested and rated and can't pass their ztp to be allowed to breed if found defective, I can't say the same about American standards though.
I own a belgian malinois, & a dutch shepherd as well.. these 2 dogs are fantastic runners but my gsds fluid effortless gait is too much for them after a few minutes running
pinoysunoy 10 months ago
@badkittyamy
you also have to understand that a gsd is a very popular breed, and because of that, .irresponsible breeding played a big role & why we see defects like roach back, steep croups, hip dysplasia in present gsds. take note, a roach back is not the standard topline of a show gsd. It's a defect.
pinoysunoy 10 months ago
anyone noticed the American Lines Are nearly always Streching themselves?
jasincl 1 year ago
oh yes of Course the Americans are better then germans because their better then Everyone else so their dogs are better too? many countries were better then the USA in many things and still are
jasincl 1 year ago
14 german Shepherds watched this and are now angry with man
jasincl 1 year ago
Ive got a black german shepherd and he has a straight back and he has German bloodlines..
narnyslip 1 year ago
i like to call them the "Alsatian" it just sounds a lot better then "German Shepherd''
TheAnimalDen 1 year ago
yes the breed standard for show was changed to say straight back I think and I am seeing better top lines in the american show ring
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago
@Royalairdogsrule
if you're saying the size is an indicator of a good shepherd, why don't you check out ursus von batu and the type of offspring this dog produces..
pinoysunoy 1 year ago
Yes it is sad the german shepherd is not only afflicted with breeders who breed a show conformation but many breed for a sport that demands extreme energy and intense drives, what makes a dog good for sport generally makes for a poor family pet for the average family. They weren't meant to be jack russel terroirs in german shepherd coats either..
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago
@Royalairdogsrule
the reason why we see these defects in german gsds is because they are a very popular breed, and more dogs can also lead to more irresponsible breedings. look at the more rare dutch shepherd which is a breed not bred for beauty, they are really fantastic dogs for agility but doesn't trot like a gsd.
pinoysunoy 1 year ago
@Royalairdogsrule A working line like the GSD should have never fallen in the hands of sissies trying to make it "look pretty", truth is this dog was never meant to be a "house pet" there are many other dogs bred to be companions, the GSD was meant for a person who wanted or needed a dog with high instincts, high intelligence and physical prowess.
ElBurroQueVaAMarte 1 year ago
All I can say is, over the years of my life I have seen much, much fewer ownership of GS. And I live were dogs are it seems in every other household. I miss seeing this breed so I started to look for reasons. All I heard increasingly for the last 10-15 years is Pitbull, Rotweiller. Now that I think about it Doberman Pinscher is another breed That was more common when I was a kid, just as the GS I rarely see them anymore. So I am doing some research for curiosity sake.
4SCARECROWS 1 year ago
the last time i checked. the breed standard has changed for the GSD for it to have a straight back. as the sloped back causes hip and back problems at a young age. and essentially destroying the breed.
marc6105 1 year ago
I just finished 12 years with a beautiful "throwback" shepherd that came from the humane society.
Big head, straight back, long legs & huge paws. If I never get to have another dog again, I'm ok with that because I've had the best...oh, and by the way, the breeders that took the dogs away from my type are idiots.
tubeguytommy 1 year ago
my shepherd kinda looks like the 1950s german lines...
Ryleighgirl13 1 year ago
Police dogs are much healthier since they need to be bred to work. We can always save the breed using their lines.
SpazzzDog 1 year ago
when you stop breeding a german shepherd to work, you stop breeding a german shepherd
hmt227 1 year ago 29
@hmt227 Very true words. Show bred German Shepherds are not real German Shepherds. The creator of the GSD created them to be a working breed, not a pet.
BlueGama600 10 months ago
the american g.s is shi....t i have old g.s.
myALPacino1989 1 year ago
american bloodline german shepherds look better than their german relatives but i do like the way they looked 50yrs ago..
kloxky 1 year ago
this also remind me of the numerous times when I accidentally over hear ugly white inbred looking Americans brag about being full blooded German
NO! BAD HUMAN!
marktsheppard 1 year ago
this is how Americans get shit wrong! at @8:28 it's not that the 50s dogs head is smaller but that he has a muscular build compared to the fat Americanized victim/dog... and... notice how the 50s dogs top of the head is so round(like a brain bubble) containing a brain twice the size to today's inbred show dogs, plus in reality/nature, natural selection gave 4 legged animals 4 legs of equal length, WTF humans! why?!
marktsheppard 1 year ago
the working german sheperd looks more better then that them poor show dogs i bet they cant walk good
nellyandjoe4eva 1 year ago
most would not consider it a good change the German roach back often OFA's with changes the spine "tansitional vertebrea" I think it also makes the dog have less ability to jump.. some disagree with me while the show line slope in the hind end can sometimes be so extreme that the dogs cannot climb stairs. a straight back like a wild dog/wolf is best that is what nature has selected to be the best and most stable.
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago 15
I am researching the breed because i like it. But to me these so called show dogs look deformed compared to the earlier lines of the 40's. I hope if i choose to get a shepherd, that I can avoid getting one of those weird looking dogs of today. Shame on the breeders and judges.
bussp 1 year ago
@Royalairdogsrule
I feel the need to applaud you. When people decided to dogs for appearance and pure performance instead of for overall health, problems understandably arose. Health and temperament should have priority. I'd much rather have a dog that isn't exactly pretty but has a great temperament and is healthy than a beautiful, hyper active nutball that has a handful of bad genes and needs to see the vet every three weeks.
FlowingDepths 10 months ago
hey im currently doing a project and i cant find anything solid and your my last hope :') some germans shepard have obvioulsy gained the 'show spine' in so many words and dog shows go mad for something so wrong...my question is can this be seen as an improvement in the species as its a change or is it classified as something else ???? thankyou
lukeyboyy 1 year ago
And this right here is why I HATE dog breeding and shows. I think the 40's real German Shepherds are some, if not the, most beautiful looking dogs, and since then they've ruined the breed. I really sickens me to think how some people go into great lengths just to make them look all wrong and just to win some damn prices, while at the same time they drift further and further away from the original looks and develop all sorts of problems. One day I will get a proper looking GS...
jipasd 1 year ago
it's very hard to find dogs in natural poses from the 40's 50 and 60"s if anyone has dogs from those days feel free to post them on this thread.
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago
It is disgusting what has been done to the GS. They used to be the ultimate all-around dog. Now they are racked with disease, one of the most unhealthy breeds today. They are also the number one biters in the US. How can any breeder be trusted? Are there any good lines left intact? I doubt it. So sad.
mwhich50 1 year ago
America Rocks!!!!
American Gsd's look way better than the germans
grekodave 1 year ago
@grekodave your nuts
healthyhealinglisa 2 months ago
This is my favorite breed because these dogs have purpose. It breaks my heart to see people breeding them for show and aesthetics and it's crippling to the dog. Thank goodness I was lucky enough to adopt a working line GSD and his back is straight but his head and paws are not as big as the 1940's-1960's GSDs. Great video though!!
crazyj22183 1 year ago
yes I did pretty sad its not the fact that they are pedigreed just that the different styles are a fad that has little to do wit being a pet
Royalairdogsrule 1 year ago
What I would find really interesting would be to compare dogs as they normally stand on their own, rather than posed for the show ring. The show ring not only influences anatomy, it also influences showing styles. Let's compare dogs in their natural state so that we know the differences are anatomy, not handling. btw, I personally don't like the "banana backs" or the weak hind quarters that are so often seen today.
0bovine 1 year ago
did you see pedigree dogs exposed? they actualy talked about this! I was SO glad they did!
ASDogGeek 1 year ago
Yeah for fashion and all people see is the showline dog. But did you ever look into the working line dogs? Mine are working line and they still look like the ones from the past. Straight back, good hips, good temperament and overall great health. I despite show-dogs!
SandraAnnedore 1 year ago
Wow look at how the the sloping begins in the 70's.. for the German lines.. ugh.. I am glad my working dog is from Czech lines.. nice and solid and square.. built like a brick house.
KrunchMonster1 1 year ago
I love my German Shepherd, not for what I want him to be, but for who he is.
petrov32 1 year ago
@petrov32 here here could not have said tht better :D
sacredwolf83 1 year ago
insest will do this
7Auzzy7 1 year ago
they should totally ban dog shows, or at least unqualified judges. They should also grade it based on survivability in the wild not just looks. Kinda sad how these show dogs have devolved into little pansies. Even the NYPD has to import german shepherds from europe cuz the american versions are too weak of a breed.
akumany 1 year ago