What I've said stands. What's worse? Carrying contraband on a civilian ship, or attacking said civilian ship, killing over a thousand people? Certain people with moral defects might try to argue about this, but for anyone sensible, the decision is clear. What kind of monster would attack a sip carrying people who AREN'T enemy combatants? As I said, he didn't even know it was carrying anything illegal, but that didn't stop him from attacking it anyways. You DON'T do that.
Unfortunitely Leonard neglected to mention any ship from an neutral country carrying weapons & ammo to a country at war is a war crime / act of war, therefore the Germans had any right to attack it. But then again, US viewers wouldn´t have liked that truth...
@FrenchSupreme Of course some cheese-eating surrender monkey would be looking for any way possible to bash the US.
Listen here. The UK/US were wrong for carrying munitions and other contraband aboard a passenger liner. Fact. Legally speaking, the Germans did have every right to attack and sink the ship, but from an ethical standpoint they crossed a very dangerous line. They wiped out a large group of people who didn't have anything to do with the war aside from being on the wrong side, if that.
@Darkon711 ;) I´m from Montana, you pricking racist. And yes, we do eat cheese...
But thank you for your opinion. Thank God it´s just been a "bad decision" to transport ammo on a civil liner. I see, the US is finally learning something from a war. Also: Churchill is a saint, right...? But what bunch of people is sightseeing thru a battlezone without having anything to do with it? F***, the Germans even advertised! What else can be done..?
@FrenchSupreme Ethical questions aside, the Germans didn't even know the Lusitania was carrying war materials until AFTER they sank it. From their perspective, it was simply an unarmed passenger ship, and yet they STILL went after it.
@FrenchSupreme The Germans were wrong for attacking the Lusitania, period. If it was a true-blue cargo ship or part of a convoy, that would've been a different story, but their unrestricted submarine warfare crossed a line, and they paid the penalty for it.
Nice to see I got your panties all in a knot, though. You're wrong about this, whichever way you slice it. You might as well just surrender while you still have the chance. You'd be singing a different tune if it were a smelly French ship.
Amazing how many people are referring to WWII and the provocation of US into it through the sinking of this ship. It is in no way related since the Lusitania was sunk in 1915. The documentary is talking about WWI.
The Best Source On This Is Colin Simpson's THE LUSITANIA which proves that 1) The Ship Was Registered As An Auxiliary Cruiser of the Royal Navy Not A Passenger Liner 2) The Ship Had Munitions Aboard Which Led To Her Fast Sinking By One Torpedo 3) Canadian Soldiers were aboard as passengers...Ergo she was a LEGITIMATE Target Of War
That fat English bastard Winston Churchill knew this ship was going to get hit and he did NOT tell America because Churchill thought the sinking of the Lusitania would cause America to join the war, Churchill was wrong because the US did NOT get involved with the war till two yrs later so all these people were nothing more then GOVERNMENT PAWNS just like we ALL are to this very day!!
@freedomseaker1 Same thing in America with Roosevelt sending all battleships to Pearl Harbor. The sinking of the Lusitania did provoke outrage in America, but I believe that it was the "Zimmerman Letter" sent from Germany promising Mexico the southwest U.S. back to Mexican control that the U.S. finally found the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. Governments are still pulling this crap to this day, look at Iraq!
The USA needed an excuse to join the war, so this ship was sent out, it was all went to plan... All the people on the ship where pre warned about the Germans and dangers ..
actually jamiewhittle...the american WW2 started on dec 8th 1941 when FDR declared war on japan after pearl harbor the day before, and ended in the summer of 1945. the british WW2 was 1939-1945 when hitler invaded poland on sept 1st 1939
@jetpoweredgriffin we dont think 41 to 45, we say that as we where fighting from 41 to 45, but if you ask any american who studies military events about say, england and WWII thay will tell you from the time england declared war on germany to the time the united states ended the war, just like we did in WWI.
funny how outsiders think thay know every thing about america.
@jetpoweredgriffin for the most part thay are, ex: a friend of mine from france, to this day will tell you the united states started every we thay ever got into, from the revolution, all the war to iraq. and i dont know any american who dosnt read, and iv lived in texas, oklahoma, kansas, arkansas and new mexico, meet thousandes of people, and not one of thim dosnt read.
@fethoff CAN'T read and DON'T read are two different thing. Of course they CAN read. Most Americans DON'T read,other than trash. Most do not know history and they do not care, thus they are repeating it- namely,Rome. Your arguments with the French are irrelevant to me. You are looking for an argument and you're looking like a fool. Look elsewhere. G'bye.
this is not true there was only around a 100 americans who died not 1000. thats rediculous. america was not in the war if there were only americans then the lusitania would not have been sunk by the u boat. remember the the british and germans were at war. it was the death of the 100 or so americans in this that brought america to war.
@nashwalker7 That's a misconception. What brought America into the first world war was the fact that the Germans promised to back Mexico if they wanted to take their land back. That pissed us off and voila, we're a war. The sinking of the Lusitania was just gravy to the politicians.
(at 5:02)THATS TITANIC
MrPokemonlover926 2 months ago
What I've said stands. What's worse? Carrying contraband on a civilian ship, or attacking said civilian ship, killing over a thousand people? Certain people with moral defects might try to argue about this, but for anyone sensible, the decision is clear. What kind of monster would attack a sip carrying people who AREN'T enemy combatants? As I said, he didn't even know it was carrying anything illegal, but that didn't stop him from attacking it anyways. You DON'T do that.
Darkon711 4 months ago
Unfortunitely Leonard neglected to mention any ship from an neutral country carrying weapons & ammo to a country at war is a war crime / act of war, therefore the Germans had any right to attack it. But then again, US viewers wouldn´t have liked that truth...
FrenchSupreme 4 months ago
@FrenchSupreme Of course some cheese-eating surrender monkey would be looking for any way possible to bash the US.
Listen here. The UK/US were wrong for carrying munitions and other contraband aboard a passenger liner. Fact. Legally speaking, the Germans did have every right to attack and sink the ship, but from an ethical standpoint they crossed a very dangerous line. They wiped out a large group of people who didn't have anything to do with the war aside from being on the wrong side, if that.
Darkon711 4 months ago
@Darkon711 ;) I´m from Montana, you pricking racist. And yes, we do eat cheese...
But thank you for your opinion. Thank God it´s just been a "bad decision" to transport ammo on a civil liner. I see, the US is finally learning something from a war. Also: Churchill is a saint, right...? But what bunch of people is sightseeing thru a battlezone without having anything to do with it? F***, the Germans even advertised! What else can be done..?
Au revoirs
FrenchSupreme 4 months ago
@FrenchSupreme Ethical questions aside, the Germans didn't even know the Lusitania was carrying war materials until AFTER they sank it. From their perspective, it was simply an unarmed passenger ship, and yet they STILL went after it.
Darkon711 4 months ago
@FrenchSupreme The Germans were wrong for attacking the Lusitania, period. If it was a true-blue cargo ship or part of a convoy, that would've been a different story, but their unrestricted submarine warfare crossed a line, and they paid the penalty for it.
Nice to see I got your panties all in a knot, though. You're wrong about this, whichever way you slice it. You might as well just surrender while you still have the chance. You'd be singing a different tune if it were a smelly French ship.
Darkon711 4 months ago
Amazing how many people are referring to WWII and the provocation of US into it through the sinking of this ship. It is in no way related since the Lusitania was sunk in 1915. The documentary is talking about WWI.
miniwidge 5 months ago
The Best Source On This Is Colin Simpson's THE LUSITANIA which proves that 1) The Ship Was Registered As An Auxiliary Cruiser of the Royal Navy Not A Passenger Liner 2) The Ship Had Munitions Aboard Which Led To Her Fast Sinking By One Torpedo 3) Canadian Soldiers were aboard as passengers...Ergo she was a LEGITIMATE Target Of War
SouthwestRanger 7 months ago
This is the only time I've ever heard that the Lusitania was thought to be unsinkable.
Strife1969 9 months ago
That fat English bastard Winston Churchill knew this ship was going to get hit and he did NOT tell America because Churchill thought the sinking of the Lusitania would cause America to join the war, Churchill was wrong because the US did NOT get involved with the war till two yrs later so all these people were nothing more then GOVERNMENT PAWNS just like we ALL are to this very day!!
freedomseaker1 9 months ago
@freedomseaker1 Same thing in America with Roosevelt sending all battleships to Pearl Harbor. The sinking of the Lusitania did provoke outrage in America, but I believe that it was the "Zimmerman Letter" sent from Germany promising Mexico the southwest U.S. back to Mexican control that the U.S. finally found the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. Governments are still pulling this crap to this day, look at Iraq!
Gigrantula58 8 months ago
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miniwidge 5 months ago
The USA needed an excuse to join the war, so this ship was sent out, it was all went to plan... All the people on the ship where pre warned about the Germans and dangers ..
Pretty Dumb people!!!
samtim83 9 months ago
world war 1 started because some german douche wrote on his twitter than american idol sucked, and so did english big brother tv. so yeah.......
dr. alfred windsor, ph.D in contemporary history, Harvard University.
1973mazdarx4coupe 1 year ago
@5:02 it looks like Olympic or Titanic.
segerfan 1 year ago
and it wasnt the biggest ship of its time.. thats a lie even Olympic was bigger and Britannic was released then.
godseesnocolour 1 year ago
@godseesnocolour Britannic was like 1,000 feet long.
segerfan 1 year ago
00.27 "RMS Olypmic"
godseesnocolour 1 year ago
actually jamiewhittle...the american WW2 started on dec 8th 1941 when FDR declared war on japan after pearl harbor the day before, and ended in the summer of 1945. the british WW2 was 1939-1945 when hitler invaded poland on sept 1st 1939
nightstand79 1 year ago
If there had not been any Americans on the ship they never got into ww1 as they did it was late
If it don't affect the yanks they don't wanna know
Ask them about ww2 they was late they're they say 1942-45 the real world was 1939-45
Funny that !!!!!!
jamiewhittle 1 year ago
@jamiewhittle
You were right.
Most Americans think '41(if they think at all!) because Pearl Harbor took place at the end of '41.
when it was well into '42 before America got fully involved.
-g
jetpoweredgriffin 1 year ago
@jetpoweredgriffin we dont think 41 to 45, we say that as we where fighting from 41 to 45, but if you ask any american who studies military events about say, england and WWII thay will tell you from the time england declared war on germany to the time the united states ended the war, just like we did in WWI.
funny how outsiders think thay know every thing about america.
fethoff 10 months ago
@fethoff
Funny how you think anyone who disagrees with you is an outsider.
I was born and raised in America-
we've been here longer than average.
"Ask anyone who studies"
most people in America barely read.
Too much TV.
America was involved for a short time compared to say,France's suffering.
Is that better?
jetpoweredgriffin 10 months ago
@jetpoweredgriffin for the most part thay are, ex: a friend of mine from france, to this day will tell you the united states started every we thay ever got into, from the revolution, all the war to iraq. and i dont know any american who dosnt read, and iv lived in texas, oklahoma, kansas, arkansas and new mexico, meet thousandes of people, and not one of thim dosnt read.
fethoff 10 months ago
jetpoweredgriffin 10 months ago
this is not true there was only around a 100 americans who died not 1000. thats rediculous. america was not in the war if there were only americans then the lusitania would not have been sunk by the u boat. remember the the british and germans were at war. it was the death of the 100 or so americans in this that brought america to war.
nashwalker7 1 year ago
@nashwalker7 That's a misconception. What brought America into the first world war was the fact that the Germans promised to back Mexico if they wanted to take their land back. That pissed us off and voila, we're a war. The sinking of the Lusitania was just gravy to the politicians.
wintergirl1980 1 year ago
A modern Titanic? it was only three years later
Vasdefrens1 2 years ago 2
Vasdefrens1- Add to that the Lusitania was built 4 years BEFORE Titanic.
Or subtract from that??? I'm confused... ^_^
greenseaships 2 years ago
Wow, I was looking for this less than a week ago - and here it is. Thanks for uploading all of these...
RalphWiggum08 2 years ago
wow thanks again! you rule
cripplewoox 2 years ago
a modern titanic?
animation508 2 years ago