Enoch Powell "Let It Go On - Until the Civil War Comes"

[EnnioShikari]

Enoch was talking about racial tension not militant Islam which ,in many cases, is a result of racial tension. the whites would cause just as much trouble as the other ethnic groups. The immigrants are not the enemy the situation is the enemy. Enoch Powell was right. Now there is no black or white solution and it is to complex to untangle. "size the many poisonous nettles which we would have to size if we were at this stage going to avert the outcome"

[mysweeteventhorizon]

Enoch Powell was right....take England now....as she is raped and rent...as she is violated and disfigured beyond recognition by the lowest bidder she sold her soul to, by vagrants, criminals and the lowest common denominator, human garbage from third world countries.....countries that are little more than a filthy toilet, waves of oxygen thieves arriving with shrill voices and extended hands.....and yet not a single whimper of protest from "true and patriotic' Britons....what a sickening farce.

[tgmartin]

@mysweeteventhorizon "I would say it is a fearful doctrine, which must recoil upon the heads of those who pronounce it, to stand in judgment on a fellow human being and say, 'Because he was such-and-such, therefore the consequences which would otherwise flow from his death shall not flow.'" guess who said this?

[clipper321]

until is misspelled

[mysock351W]

Damn, he really called it, didn't he? Gotta give the man credit for that.

[videowilliams]

The man was a prophet, and his vision, from what I see from across the sea, is coming to pass.

[MartinJWillett]

Please note the one very important omission from Enoch Powell's prophesies: any mention at all of Islam. Powell saw a race problem when the reality is we have a problem with a poisonous culture which is planning a take over of the country. Blacks just want to live here, it is Muslims who are causing problems by their need for political influence, power and eventually absolute control.

[Wyga23]

@MartinJWillett lol Because it is about the colour of the mind and views now. Sounds funny but It is about the colour of views. Islamism or Western culture? The choice is ours. Muslims want to destroy our culture, no question about it!

[MartinJWillett]

@Wyga23 Laugh as much as you want the truth remains that Enoch Powell predicted nothing about any threat coming specifically from Muslims. That fact needs to be acknowledged not glossed over because a lie makes a better myth.

[blogspotKitmanTV]

@MartinJWillett Powell served in India in the 1940s. He loved the country, its cultures and peoples so much that he wanted to spend the rest of his life there. He spoke two Indian languages fluently and experienced more than one instance of muslim tawahush

Secondly, many cultures fit the west and many do not! - atleast during our secular demographic ice-age.

If a third of London, Birmingham and Wolverhampton were gypsy, ny-guinean or a joe-burg "rapefest" - it would mean trouble too.

[MartinJWillett]

@blogspotKitmanTV His career aim was to be Viceroy of India (and nobody was ever better qualified) so naturally he wasn't ignorant of Islam or its history and yet he is given credit for foresight he did not display, often by people whose knowledge of the man is fourth or fifth hand.

[blogspotKitmanTV]

@MartinJWillett Fascinating thought... Enoch Powell as Viceroy of India.

[menacingshadows]

Just wait until they become Judges and Ministers and begin vetoing the will of the majority. Then the revolution comes.

This is what has happened with the gay minority in America, disguised in the robes of impartial justice, vetoing the votes of the majority to further their agenda.

[WUNDENFL4MME]

HE WAS TRUELY A PROPHET!!!

[arussan]

Prophetic vision by Mr. Powell.

Those last lines; “…and let it go on until the civil war”.

Like he knew that will be the final outcome of the Islamic Invasion (through immigration) of Britain.

He saw it coming and tried to stop it.

[Schneboll]

@arussan So many times Britain has been invaded from Romans to Saxons to Normans. A highly sought after Island. You'd think a modern industrialized country would be more careful, but no. Cheap labour through mass immigration this time brings in anti-brittish ideologies from vastly different cultures to try and change the face of Britain. Woe the day an Islamic flag is raised over bucking ham palace. lol

[arussan]

@Schneboll

Woe to that day indeed, & I hope such a prospect is so absurd to be laughable, but unless a leader arises in Britain with the vision of Powell & the backbone of Churchill, the Islamic takeover of Britain could be a reality.

Where is the strong opposition to stop it?

There are only spineless politicians like the ones Powell speaks of.

Woe to our children, forgive us for the world we have left you.

[MartinJWillett]

@arussan Show me one quote from Enoch Powell that mentions a threat from Islam rather than generic immigrants.

[arussan]

@MartinJWillett

I don’t believe he does mention Islamic, although Britain received hundreds of thousands of emigrates from Islamic countries since the ‘60’s.

He doesn’t say whom is the group of immigrates he feels will cause troubles to escalate to civil wars status, but now I think it’s pretty clear it is the Muslims.

Perhaps he saw they were the culture that wouldn’t assimilate or perhaps I did put my own spin on it.

Without him here there’s no way to know.

[MartinJWillett]

@arussan He never had anything to say about Islam at all. He predicted trouble arising out of immigration, specifically classic black-led "race riots" or pre-emptive white-led attacks on immigrants. All this is clear if you read his most famous speech in full rather than just by the title he didn't choose to give it.

[arussan]

@MartinJWillett

What you say may be true. I had never heard of this man until this video and I don’t know what his beliefs were – but he saw something coming that would not be good for the culture and gov. of England.

It’s hard to say how something will happen in the future, it’s just a certainty it’s going to happen, but you don’t know the details till after it’s past.

[tgmartin]

@arussan He said NOTHING about Muslims and had no particular beef with Islam. It was enforced integration he was talking about and whilst he may have been right in places (Brixton, Oldham, etc) he also failed to foresee the rise in interracial couples or friendships, so he was not utterly infallible in every way. He'd most likely be ashamed of people using his name to justify making ridiculous sweeping accusations about a religion he probably knew better than any of you Daily Mail die-hards

[SmippeHyrst]

@tgmartin Enoch Powell made no sweeping statements about islam at the time because it did not stand out on the radar as a particular threat. The main issue for those against third world migration for many years was simply the race aspect, but it is somewhat presumptuous to suppose that Powell and those of his time would today have no problem with islam. The islamisation of Britain and multiracialism have gone hand in hand, one has given rise to the other. Enoch's Britain was not an islamic one.

[tgmartin]

@SmippeHyrst What I'm saying is that Powell had a greater knowledge of Islam than you Daily Mail readers ever will. It's funny how you Daily Mail readers don't like to talk about how he recruited 20,000 Asian doctors during his time as Health Minister or how he used to speak Urdu to his Asian constituents. Like every human, he was right about some things and wrong about other things but it's a shame people like you use him to justify peddling hatred towards those different from you

[SmippeHyrst]

@tgmartin No, what is really funny is how the Gaurdian reading classes attempt to twist and bastardise what Powell said and represented. He recruitment those people and spoke Urdu because (contrary to what people like you claim) he had no hatred toward minority groups ('racism'). His concerns about the long-term social and demographic consequences only began to come to the fore after seeing its effects subsequent to his time in office.

[SmippeHyrst]

@tgmartin You see unlike most politicians, Powell had the good grace and decency to admit to having been wrong about something. His speech cost him his job in the shadow cabinet, but poll after poll showed that the public were overwhelingly in support of him - go figure that. In these times Rivers of Blood resonates louder than ever, but guardianistas like you don't get it and never will get it, the system indoctrinates and like good little lemmings you all comply.

[tgmartin]

@SmippeHyrst I never claimed Powell was racist, purely because I don't think he was racist, nor do I despise him in ways that Guardianistas do. I actually think he was one of the most misunderstood public figures of the 20th century and that his speech was also misinterpreted and taken out of context. He had a point when it came to demographics, racial tensions flaring up and groups feeling marginalised and I haven't denied that.

[tgmartin]

@SmippeHyrst And when I say taken out of context, I mean by everyone, not just those on the left or right. Given his intellect, he knew that like any other religion, Islam has its share of normal people and hateful pricks who try and justify conflict with a load of fairytales as a lot of religions do. Therefore he would not have had an issue with Muslims per se and he'd most likely be annoyed that people use him to justify irrational hatred of any particular group.

[tgmartin]

@SmippeHyrst Sorry if this doesn't fit into the image of Powell you have created but when his retrospective 'supporters' like you look beyond one ten-minute speech you will see a lot of things about him you probably wouldn't like. I'd hate to live in your paranoid world where Muslims are out to get you all the time as is anyone who's not white and British. What an immense climate of fear you must live in

[SmippeHyrst]

@tgmartin I think I know enough about Powell to safely assume that Eid street celebrations, huge mosques and burkhad women was not exactly his vision of what England is and ought to be. Whatever laughable PC spin you're attempting to put on the man, I think most people will see it for the hopeless busted flush that it is.

[tgmartin]

@SmippeHyrst I'm not putting any 'PC Spin' on Powell and I actually know a relative of his. It's sensationalist words like 'Islamisation' (which you probably got from The Sun) that make it difficult to have a rational debate on immigration which I'm not saying is a subject that needs to be ignored. Remember he fought in WW2 where Hitler committed millions of atrocities against a group of people from a faith who were accused of 'taking over'- sound familiar?

[SmippeHyrst]

@tgmartin "I actually know a relative of his."I also know a relative of his. Powell fought against Germany for the same reason the rest of the country did - because of hitler's imperialist ambitions in eastern Europe and Russia. To use and abuse Powell's abhorance for nazism to falsely propose what he may he felt about the rapid growth of islam (via third world immigration) is what would really make him turn in his grave.

[tgmartin]

@SmippeHyrst He had no issue with any individual's religion or skin colour, just the bad apples that any demographic brings. The whole point of his speech was with all the different demographics, the bad apples in those would seek to cause tension and he was right- from the London Bombers to the NF, all dickheads from different demographics try to incite hatred. And it's safe to say that by the late 80s (and even now) the black man does not have the 'whip hand' over the white man.

[fliegeroh]

Decades ahead of his time. No one ever listens.

[seemoretube]

Love him or hate him, he was right.

[Hereticalable]

@seemoretube - True...and if Britain only listened to half of what he said there would be hardly problems relating to social cohesion in Britain today. When a country invites people to equal citizens but does not demand or insist they share and uphold common culture and value that country is rolling the dice for it's future. It's not even a colour issue really - it's an issue of culture and values. Clearly most immigrants don't integrate and keep separate so Powell was right. The war is coming..

[tgmartin]

@seemoretube I do not love him or hate him and whilst he was right about some things, he wasn't right about everything as no human being is. Despite the attempts of the BNP and Daily Mail to turn him into some sort of political deity for their own ends, he was human like the rest of us and despite his undoubtedly incredible intellect, he could get some things wrong too.

[SmippeHyrst]

@tgmartin The fact remains you have made the somewhat facile assumption that Powell's apparent indifference to islamisation is indicative of what he would've been saying in the 21st century. The far right NF of the 70s never made an issue of islam either, but that doesn't mean to say that the same people still alive today don't regard it as a threat. When Britain first went multi-racial, the issue for all those worried was purely racial, but the nature of the problem has since morphed.

[tgmartin]

@SmippeHyrst And don't compare the NF to Powell, as his only regret about that speech and the way it was delivered was that it made him a poster boy for knuckle-scraping, mouth-breathing, under-evolved, mindless thugs like the NF. And let's face it, the NF will hate people of other races regardless of their religion. He turned down an invitation to join them because a) they disgusted him and b) he had an IQ exceeding single figures