alot of the wells that light up are on naturally occuring methane pockets, yep you drilled a water well right into a collection of old dinosaur farts.
You Willpak, you are such an addict to our unsustainable, empty, consumer capitalist system that you are willing to destroy the planet to preserve your way of life. Maybe it's time for all of us to cut back on energy use, explore new ways to live and preserve the earth. Only an addict would want to continue the current path - or a shill for the capitalist pigs in the oil and gas industry. I urge all American to call their representatives and demand that we BAN FRACKING NOW!
@maronfan Yep, because we should not use American energy and create new jobs for the failing economy and provide (namely hard-working farmers) a decent retirement.
@Willpak123 - Not at the expense of the environment. We should create a new American economy based on bringing the jobs back home by rescinding Nafta, Gatt, WTO etc. Then, heavily enforce environmental and labor standards and invest in a green economy.
the oil and gas industry for the most part is a highly regulated and safe industry, yea a few companies have cut corners, BP for one and the gulf oil spill, which i could get into in a rant of its own, but as i was saying the companies all fall under state and federal regulations to mitigate any enviromnetal impact to the earth durning and after the well drilling and completion process. the only reason overseas are such a mess because they hired locals who got no training.
Business? That sounds like predatory capitalism to me. The general public owns the gas. It is part of the commons. Most citizens get no checks whatsoever. Only those who actually own the mineral rights get the royalties, unlike most of the world today where every citizen gets a share because every citizen is sharing in the risks.
@maronfan When business and the corporations run the system it's spelled Amerika. Merging business and the political system is called fascism. Private property? Tell that to the Native Americans. That gas is communal property? It's part of the commons? This aint Amerika yet Will.
The public owns the gas, yet the oil companies take the profit. The public takes the health risks, yet the company gets the profit. The public will be stuck, like always, paying for the clean-up, yet the company gets the profit. This is our gas. If we are to extract, we the people should get the profit - not the capitalist pigs. Even in Sarah F'ing Palin's Alaska, every citizen gets a check. Not in Appalachia. We are sick & tired of your capitalist coal & gas companies destroying the mountains.
@maronfan The homeowner owns the house, yet the contractor gets the profit for working on it. That's business. The public has no way to get the gas beneath their lands, hence the companies have to get it. Yes, this is our gas, and we get a little something called royalty checks for that.
I'll take American gas over Arabian oil any day of the week. It benefits everyone, from the individual to the economy.
Wind and solar are connected to the grid in Europe and do not need batteries. They can be manufactured with very little exposure to toxic chemicals for workers and the public. You are correct about electric cars however. We need a better way to fuel our transportation. The fact remains that this is a dangerous way to get our fix. Fracking is not the answer.
Even the pentagon admits that clean water will become one of the world's most scarce resources in the next 30 years. Wars will be fought over water. Appalachia is one of the worlds greatest concentrations of clean, fresh water. So capitalist Amerika is working hard to pollute it so that they can create another commodity to bid up in the futures market & sell back to us. Anyone who has an knowledge of history & an eye on the future can see that this. Unless you are ignorant or blind.
We need to go with more solar and wind. Yes, we will still need oil and gas but we can gradually work with less. Also, this is a very experimental and dangerous process. Look at the history of the gas industry and you'll find countless examples of them poisoning the populace. Only a fool would trust these capitalist pigs after seeing what they've done in Nigeria, Ecuador, Columbia, Alaska, etc.
oh and i forgot to add how do most of you heat your houses?
I'm guessing the vast majority of you with oh wait, natural gas. so before you bitch, think about how your gonna stay warm. then go knock on the product.
and for all you nay sayers, and 3yrs you'd never even know there was any work done, all you'll see is maybe the clearing where the line goes through which by the way is great for the deer and wildlife, the deer will travel down the line right of ways i see it all the time, and with the wells all you'll see is the well head and the production unit, the mud pits will be long buried and grown over. and all the other grass will grow back as well, it will just look like a meadow in the woods.
Who would think that injecting poison into the earth with no idea of how to remove the toxins from the fraction of the water that does re-surface is a good idea? Enviromental destroying capitalist pigs, who along with PA's new teabagging Gob'nor Tommy "Space Cadet" Corporate" are working hard to destroy everyone's water. Capitalism was much more fun when we only poisoning the water of of the 3rd world, wasn't it boys and girls?
@Willpak123 Yes, but in much smaller concentrations. You simply are making my point that we need a broader green agenda and we must put the earth destroying capitalists out of business.
@Willpak123 You are changing the subject Willpak. The point is that there are much safer ways of meeting our energy needs and the oil and gas industry have consistantly subverted those attempts for the past 50 years. Why would you defend these capitalist pigs? Or are you "One of Them"?
@Willpak123 You speak like a true addict. I'll kill, poison, fight wars, anything for that next fix of fossil fuels. Let me tell you man, that nat gas high is one bad trip. Wake up and see that we need to kick the addiction by thinking outside of the box that the fossil fuel industries have constructed to frame our energy policy thinking. We need an energy Marshall Plan to get us out of this insane, destructive behavior. We only have one planet.
@maronfan "kill, poison, fight wars" Dude are you crazy? Do you have any idea how many good things have come from this industry?
In this area, there is virtually no recession. Jobs are plentiful, revenue has increased. Farmers that have busted their backsides their whole lives just to get by are now much more financially secure. Businesses are expanding, the list goes on.
@Willpak123 Yeah, good things like benzene, radium, strontium, deisel fuel - take a drink dude. If you are so desparate for jobs that you'll risk your own and your family's health, you are as I said - a desparate slave to the addiction. It's time for sustainable green jobs, not poison inducing toxic, unsustainable jobs.
@maronfan Solar panels are built using toxic chemicals and inhaling those can kill you. I also never said that nuclear was risk free. Its just annoying when everyone trots out "solar and wind" as some sort of magical fix to our energy issues. If they were that easy, it would have been done a long time ago - and don't come back with "but the oil companies stop it" -- they don't.
@maronfan Economics and reality stop them. You do realize that the environmental damage caused by lithium mining in Africa is huge, don't you? (that's the main chemical in the "clean" batteries required by the use of solar and wind energy and electric cars.
@maronfan oh great, another green jobs fan i have yet to see one green company that isn't a donor to the democratic money who gets gov't money our tax money only to go belly up, the oil and gas well jobs are sustainable, after the rigs and completion crews move on the well tenders will be there for years to come producing the fields, and you got the service rigs and swab rig crews who come in and do work as well all jobs that pay well.
fracking mishaps are rare. yes occasionally people's water does get messed up. but as it was mentioned earlier the companies will remidate the problem. and i look at this way, we should be happy their drilling, it means income and jobs for the area, my family is involved in the industry and its what keeps a roof over my parents head, so i'm all for drilling.
@ljones121 @ if you are so big on risking your health for captialism, why don't you go out and join the military. They are big on killing, taking risks with civilian lives, lies, you know, all the stuff that good capitalists do. The people of PA don't want the frackers jobs, money or lobbying. They are dirty, filthy pigs - All of them.
hey every farmer and what not that i know in PA, are over joyed to see the rigs, because they are paying off the loans on their farms, and what not. And Also Hydro Fracturing is a proven science, they've been using it on wells in Texas and Colorado for many years, and out here to for the most part. Its only because certain companies, and I'm not going to name names, have screwed up. Plus on top of that, the majority of drilling is actually directional on nitrogen instead.
Stupid stupid people,the gas companies aren't going to watch out for you.They are destroying our lands and killing wild life..... The Almighty Dollar has destroyed our grandkids future with fracking .All those chemicals and all the bad wells.
As they produce the wells, they have to pay out royalties to the land owners, and usually throw into the contract free gas, or some other incentive to let them drill. also if they want to run a pipeline they have to buy the right of way from you, they can't eminent domain it from you. and you can either take their offer or go up, or tell them to screw off and they have to go around. Also as far as bad water in wells, that only occurs when frack fluid goes up an undetected fault.
has any thing happened to the local well waters with in 10 miles of the drill site? find out they may be contamination, check for bubbles in streams around the site
the drilling companies wont tell you even you well water is contaminated, all ways have independent water testing dun. as far as the factories in your area, if you can get there waste water tested from an independent tester, the best you would have to send it over sea's to get truth and full listings of whats in water! i wont trust local testers
Although contrary to what I just said, there have been reports of contaminated well water, which hs been resolved by the companies.
My land is already leased to a gas comapny. they will test our water, but even so, I will test it myself, or at the least have an independent come in and test it.
As far as I know, legally, the gas company has to provide the landowner with fresh water that needs to be shipped in until the problem is fixed. But if the landowner is looking to get large amount of money because of this, I'm not sure that he'll get it.
@travaru328
alot of the wells that light up are on naturally occuring methane pockets, yep you drilled a water well right into a collection of old dinosaur farts.
ljones121 2 months ago
Check out: Andrea Rossi, Energy Catalyzer, E-Cat, Free Energy,
crankabit 4 months ago
Idiot Frackers
killgreed 10 months ago
You Willpak, you are such an addict to our unsustainable, empty, consumer capitalist system that you are willing to destroy the planet to preserve your way of life. Maybe it's time for all of us to cut back on energy use, explore new ways to live and preserve the earth. Only an addict would want to continue the current path - or a shill for the capitalist pigs in the oil and gas industry. I urge all American to call their representatives and demand that we BAN FRACKING NOW!
maronfan 11 months ago
@maronfan Yep, because we should not use American energy and create new jobs for the failing economy and provide (namely hard-working farmers) a decent retirement.
Willpak123 11 months ago 2
@Willpak123 - Not at the expense of the environment. We should create a new American economy based on bringing the jobs back home by rescinding Nafta, Gatt, WTO etc. Then, heavily enforce environmental and labor standards and invest in a green economy.
maronfan 6 months ago
@maronfan
the oil and gas industry for the most part is a highly regulated and safe industry, yea a few companies have cut corners, BP for one and the gulf oil spill, which i could get into in a rant of its own, but as i was saying the companies all fall under state and federal regulations to mitigate any enviromnetal impact to the earth durning and after the well drilling and completion process. the only reason overseas are such a mess because they hired locals who got no training.
ljones121 2 months ago
Business? That sounds like predatory capitalism to me. The general public owns the gas. It is part of the commons. Most citizens get no checks whatsoever. Only those who actually own the mineral rights get the royalties, unlike most of the world today where every citizen gets a share because every citizen is sharing in the risks.
maronfan 11 months ago
@maronfan Yes, business, it's what the world runs on.
"Only those who actually own the mineral rights get the royalties." -- That's called private property. Welcome to America.
Willpak123 11 months ago
@maronfan When business and the corporations run the system it's spelled Amerika. Merging business and the political system is called fascism. Private property? Tell that to the Native Americans. That gas is communal property? It's part of the commons? This aint Amerika yet Will.
maronfan 6 months ago
The public owns the gas, yet the oil companies take the profit. The public takes the health risks, yet the company gets the profit. The public will be stuck, like always, paying for the clean-up, yet the company gets the profit. This is our gas. If we are to extract, we the people should get the profit - not the capitalist pigs. Even in Sarah F'ing Palin's Alaska, every citizen gets a check. Not in Appalachia. We are sick & tired of your capitalist coal & gas companies destroying the mountains.
maronfan 11 months ago
@maronfan The homeowner owns the house, yet the contractor gets the profit for working on it. That's business. The public has no way to get the gas beneath their lands, hence the companies have to get it. Yes, this is our gas, and we get a little something called royalty checks for that.
I'll take American gas over Arabian oil any day of the week. It benefits everyone, from the individual to the economy.
Willpak123 11 months ago 3
Wind and solar are connected to the grid in Europe and do not need batteries. They can be manufactured with very little exposure to toxic chemicals for workers and the public. You are correct about electric cars however. We need a better way to fuel our transportation. The fact remains that this is a dangerous way to get our fix. Fracking is not the answer.
maronfan 11 months ago
Even the pentagon admits that clean water will become one of the world's most scarce resources in the next 30 years. Wars will be fought over water. Appalachia is one of the worlds greatest concentrations of clean, fresh water. So capitalist Amerika is working hard to pollute it so that they can create another commodity to bid up in the futures market & sell back to us. Anyone who has an knowledge of history & an eye on the future can see that this. Unless you are ignorant or blind.
maronfan 11 months ago
We need to go with more solar and wind. Yes, we will still need oil and gas but we can gradually work with less. Also, this is a very experimental and dangerous process. Look at the history of the gas industry and you'll find countless examples of them poisoning the populace. Only a fool would trust these capitalist pigs after seeing what they've done in Nigeria, Ecuador, Columbia, Alaska, etc.
maronfan 11 months ago
oh and i forgot to add how do most of you heat your houses?
I'm guessing the vast majority of you with oh wait, natural gas. so before you bitch, think about how your gonna stay warm. then go knock on the product.
ljones121 11 months ago
and for all you nay sayers, and 3yrs you'd never even know there was any work done, all you'll see is maybe the clearing where the line goes through which by the way is great for the deer and wildlife, the deer will travel down the line right of ways i see it all the time, and with the wells all you'll see is the well head and the production unit, the mud pits will be long buried and grown over. and all the other grass will grow back as well, it will just look like a meadow in the woods.
ljones121 11 months ago
Who would think that injecting poison into the earth with no idea of how to remove the toxins from the fraction of the water that does re-surface is a good idea? Enviromental destroying capitalist pigs, who along with PA's new teabagging Gob'nor Tommy "Space Cadet" Corporate" are working hard to destroy everyone's water. Capitalism was much more fun when we only poisoning the water of of the 3rd world, wasn't it boys and girls?
maronfan 11 months ago
@maronfan Do you know how to get the toxic emissions out of the air that you cause every time you start your car to go to work?
Or do you ride a bike?
Willpak123 11 months ago
@Willpak123 Yes, but in much smaller concentrations. You simply are making my point that we need a broader green agenda and we must put the earth destroying capitalists out of business.
maronfan 11 months ago
@Willpak123 You are changing the subject Willpak. The point is that there are much safer ways of meeting our energy needs and the oil and gas industry have consistantly subverted those attempts for the past 50 years. Why would you defend these capitalist pigs? Or are you "One of Them"?
maronfan 11 months ago
@Willpak123 You speak like a true addict. I'll kill, poison, fight wars, anything for that next fix of fossil fuels. Let me tell you man, that nat gas high is one bad trip. Wake up and see that we need to kick the addiction by thinking outside of the box that the fossil fuel industries have constructed to frame our energy policy thinking. We need an energy Marshall Plan to get us out of this insane, destructive behavior. We only have one planet.
maronfan 11 months ago
@maronfan "kill, poison, fight wars" Dude are you crazy? Do you have any idea how many good things have come from this industry?
In this area, there is virtually no recession. Jobs are plentiful, revenue has increased. Farmers that have busted their backsides their whole lives just to get by are now much more financially secure. Businesses are expanding, the list goes on.
Willpak123 11 months ago
@Willpak123 Yeah, good things like benzene, radium, strontium, deisel fuel - take a drink dude. If you are so desparate for jobs that you'll risk your own and your family's health, you are as I said - a desparate slave to the addiction. It's time for sustainable green jobs, not poison inducing toxic, unsustainable jobs.
maronfan 11 months ago
@maronfan Solar panels are built using toxic chemicals and inhaling those can kill you. I also never said that nuclear was risk free. Its just annoying when everyone trots out "solar and wind" as some sort of magical fix to our energy issues. If they were that easy, it would have been done a long time ago - and don't come back with "but the oil companies stop it" -- they don't.
Willpak123 11 months ago
@maronfan Economics and reality stop them. You do realize that the environmental damage caused by lithium mining in Africa is huge, don't you? (that's the main chemical in the "clean" batteries required by the use of solar and wind energy and electric cars.
Willpak123 11 months ago
@maronfan oh great, another green jobs fan i have yet to see one green company that isn't a donor to the democratic money who gets gov't money our tax money only to go belly up, the oil and gas well jobs are sustainable, after the rigs and completion crews move on the well tenders will be there for years to come producing the fields, and you got the service rigs and swab rig crews who come in and do work as well all jobs that pay well.
ljones121 2 months ago
fracking mishaps are rare. yes occasionally people's water does get messed up. but as it was mentioned earlier the companies will remidate the problem. and i look at this way, we should be happy their drilling, it means income and jobs for the area, my family is involved in the industry and its what keeps a roof over my parents head, so i'm all for drilling.
ljones121 1 year ago
@ljones121 @ if you are so big on risking your health for captialism, why don't you go out and join the military. They are big on killing, taking risks with civilian lives, lies, you know, all the stuff that good capitalists do. The people of PA don't want the frackers jobs, money or lobbying. They are dirty, filthy pigs - All of them.
maronfan 11 months ago
@maronfan
hey every farmer and what not that i know in PA, are over joyed to see the rigs, because they are paying off the loans on their farms, and what not. And Also Hydro Fracturing is a proven science, they've been using it on wells in Texas and Colorado for many years, and out here to for the most part. Its only because certain companies, and I'm not going to name names, have screwed up. Plus on top of that, the majority of drilling is actually directional on nitrogen instead.
ljones121 11 months ago
Stupid stupid people,the gas companies aren't going to watch out for you.They are destroying our lands and killing wild life..... The Almighty Dollar has destroyed our grandkids future with fracking .All those chemicals and all the bad wells.
patty1752 1 year ago
@patty1752
As they produce the wells, they have to pay out royalties to the land owners, and usually throw into the contract free gas, or some other incentive to let them drill. also if they want to run a pipeline they have to buy the right of way from you, they can't eminent domain it from you. and you can either take their offer or go up, or tell them to screw off and they have to go around. Also as far as bad water in wells, that only occurs when frack fluid goes up an undetected fault.
ljones121 11 months ago
ahhhhhh....thank you........... I understand now
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Benoisful 1 year ago
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Benoisful 1 year ago
@Benoisful....
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Willpak123 1 year ago
has any thing happened to the local well waters with in 10 miles of the drill site? find out they may be contamination, check for bubbles in streams around the site
BeAnEarthNut 2 years ago
As far as local well waters, I have heard nothing, though the drilling companies DO test the well water.
However, there are three major factories in my area who dump their waste water into our rivers and streams.
Willpak123 2 years ago
the drilling companies wont tell you even you well water is contaminated, all ways have independent water testing dun. as far as the factories in your area, if you can get there waste water tested from an independent tester, the best you would have to send it over sea's to get truth and full listings of whats in water! i wont trust local testers
BeAnEarthNut 2 years ago
Although contrary to what I just said, there have been reports of contaminated well water, which hs been resolved by the companies.
My land is already leased to a gas comapny. they will test our water, but even so, I will test it myself, or at the least have an independent come in and test it.
Willpak123 2 years ago
...yeah,........check out what happened in Leroy township.
njersey75devil 2 years ago
@Willpak123 - I heard of a guy in East Smithfield that sued one of the gas companies for contaminating his well....
njersey75devil 1 year ago
@njersey75devil
As far as I know, legally, the gas company has to provide the landowner with fresh water that needs to be shipped in until the problem is fixed. But if the landowner is looking to get large amount of money because of this, I'm not sure that he'll get it.
Willpak123 1 year ago
Song?
randomrvbfan 2 years ago
Lookin' Out my Back Door, by CCR
Willpak123 2 years ago