The deaths of General Ross and Pakenham are worth 10 Washington burnings, because they were actual physical military achievements. The burning of the US capitol bldg did nothing.
And if we should talk about fires....no city ever burned like London when the Dutch set it ablaze. 80% burned.
The British and Canadians won the war (a very close fight though) but the US won the peace conference. The only losers of the war were the Iroquois who were betrayed by the British and left them to American genocide. The US should have won the war itself, but was very badly divided with some of the New England states refusing to participate or even threatening secession over the war. On the other hand almost all of the British military was fighting Napoleon in Europe.
@USMarineRifleman0311 America lost because it failed to invade Canada, that was the whole point of the war. Also the US actually suffered much higher casualties overall.
@USMarineRifleman0311 The battles that mattered were British/Canadian victories. Whats more many of the great British victories were against much larger US armies; some of the most humiliating examples of incompetence and cowardice the US army has ever seen. At least at New Orleans the British bravely kept attacking and exposed themselves to intense fire and casualties before they retreated, at most of the battles in Canada the Americans just ran like cowards as soon as a few shots were fired .
you're pretty cleverly trying to make US troops into cowards despite the fact that they won more battles in more cases and retreated with their units intact.
Then on the otherhand youre overplaying the discipline showed by Highland troops at NO as if its somehow heroic and takes the edge off the fact that it was a miserable defeat of an invading armada of men that failed to take a strategic waterway.
War w/ Napoleon was over before New Orleans...most Brit troops were veterans
@hehno1 No, its the war the US lost. Their armies were driven from Canada, their fleet was destroyed or bottled up in port, their economy was crippled and their capital was reduced to ruins. After the US government sued for peace and the treaty was signed, Jackson repulsed a small force of Brits who were attacking new Orleans, their army was not destroyed, nor was it slaughtered (less than 300 were killed). It regrouped and then attacked Fort Bowyer, forcing the entire US garrison to surrender.
In case you consider a major landing force small in your dictionary. The control of the Mississippi wouldve meant total encirclement of US. You do realize that aside from the absence of the USN on the eastern seabord, the USN won 2x battles for each one it lost?
Ft Bowyer was miniscule in comparison to New Orleans. The Brits needed a garrison to recoup. 1st battle was a US victory as well as the 3rd and final one.
@USMarineRifleman0311 You do realise the war consisted of more than New Orleans? The war ended on the 24th of December 1814. New Orleans was on January 9th and made no difference to anything.
Also wars aren't won by tallying up skirmishes, Britain was fighting Napoleon at the same time yet at still managed to beat the US everywhere it mattered. The US invasions of Canada were crushed, the US Navy was bottled up and the US economy crippled; America suffered more casualties and lost badly.
@uafchris amazing how you can repel all the major enemy landings and still loose the war. What a concept.
What incomoptence are you babbling about? We won more battles during both the St Lawrence and Detroit frontier battles.
New Orleans wouldve been celebrated as the end of the US expansion by the Brits had it worked. Canadian frontier battles were nowhere as bloody for either side as NO was.
Amazing how the US can attempt to invade and take over a country, end up gaining zero territory and still claim to have won the war! I suggest that it should be possible for you to be patriotic without being willful blind and ignorant of history.
neither country gained anything. Alot of territory was conceded to the US following the treaty, but neither country's invasions were succesful at bringing the other to the negotiations table, especially after the Battle of Baltimore.
What did happen was 62 American victories to nearly half of that number British and Canadian ones put together.
Why argue over a war that happened many moons ago. Canada and USA are their own independent country. Our countries are fighting a new war in Afghanistan. Instead of bickering over who won the war of 1812, why not support our troops in defeating terrorism? I've served, my son has served, and my brother has served. I've lost two friends, one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. Be a true patriot to your country and support your troops!
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Ok so what is your point? You were arguing that Canada didn't exist, and now you go off on a tangent explaining insignificant crap.
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Wow you truly do prove that Americans are stupid. Sure the Canadian provinces were British colonies but that didn't stop them from being Canadians. I suppose to your logic, there were no such thing as Indians in the 1800s, because India was a British colony? Upper Canada and Lower Canada existed at the time, therefore people who lived there were Canadians.
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Canada did exist idiot, just not as we know it now. Then it was seperate provinces, two which were indeed called Upper Canada and Lower Canada. And you can bet our British allies were honoured to help us Canadians push the Americans back across the great lakes. You American scum.
@VideoGameNerd777 I just bought an Isaac Brock action figure and it is awesome. They should make a movie on Queenston Heights. I would cast Russell Crowe as Isaac Brock.
@MajBlood what "shit hole"? the US is a lot nicer than canada...at least we can live in most of our country. Also, we kicked y'alls asses later in the battle of baltimore and the battle of new orleans and several other battles when YOU tried to invade US. And no, canada was not a country in 1812, not til 1867.
@CodArk2 Canada is a better country, we have better government, better laws, and we aren't a country made up of traitors. Funny how you Americans always bring up Baltimore and New Orleans. Yes you did win those battles, everybody wins some, but that is far from winning the war, which you did not. We successfully invaded the U.S. but let you off on the Treaty of Ghent. No Canada was not a country, but Canada was a colony, so Canada and Canadians did exist.
@MajBlood Not really. Most of the US is habitable, unlike Canada(why 90 percent of your population lives on the US border). our legal systems are alike as well, yours isn't any better. and we arent made up of traitors, since we were having to pay for englands wars with taxes we had no say in. The war was a draw, neither side won, not the US, nor britain. the US was colonies back in the 1600s, but we dont claim englands victories as ours, one of which was conquering canada... from the french
@Love4SK the US did not lose. Anyone with a grain of common sense would see the war of 1812 was a tie, a draw, a stalemate. Neither side gained territory, and both sides pretty much got what they wanted. Contrary to canadians tellings of this, the US was not a superpower in 1812, britain (and by extension canada) was a superpower. Canada has enough to be proud of without trying to steal another countries military history for its own, 1812 was UK vs US, not canada vs US.
@CodArk2 , Canada was attacked, England was not attacked. its a fair claim by Canaidians seeing as a small percentage were red coats and the larger percentage were Canadian militia, Native Indians and Canadian farmers and lay people many of who were probably born in the colony of Upper Canada. and never saw mother England in their lifetime. Canadian schools do teach it as a decisive victory for Canada, it makes sense. Its a pride thing, its not meant to diss the states.
@Love4SK british canada was attacked. the US did not have the ability to get soldiers to england or they would have. in canada most of the fighting was canadian militia, in the battles in the US most were british regulars from the european battles against napoleon, not canadians. Canadian schools teach it wrong. we didnt conquer canada, but england didnt conquer us either. no one won or lost anything. no US school teaches we won, but we didnt lose either
Aside from the arguments on here about, of all things WWII,,, the are this battle took place is very historic. Brocks monument domintes the area overlooking the battlefield and Niagara river. There are quite a few plaques and cannon set up around the battle area. Including a plaque showing were Brock died during the charge up the heights. Very historic place i you enjoy that.
The final battle was New Orleans before the treaty of Ghent. I believe the British and Upper Canadians had more soldiers. The war was a ping pong match. If you read on some of them you'll see that it was back and forth.
@funnyz2k and y'all invaded the US and we kicked you back. It was a draw, a tie. anyone that teaches or believes different is deluded. Canada did not win, canada was not a nation in 1812. america was not a superpower then either, we were only like 40 years old as a nation
@Love4SK *sigh* you are an idiot. if the US lost to anyone, it was the british empire, not canada. You cannot lose to something that does not exist, canada was not a sovereign nation in 1812. In addition, most of the battles in the US were fought by british soldiers, not canadians. Your logic makes little sense really, go back a few years before: Britain lost to the US. Britain was thousands of yrs old, US wasnt even a nation yet, they were a colony. ouch, losing to a colony.thats gotta suck.
@CodArk2 , Canada was a colony in 1812, so usa lost to a colony, thats even worse,lol. Brits were busy fighting france, usa basically lost to indians and Upper Canadian farmers.
@Love4SK england lost to a colony. why does that matter? second the peace treaty was signed between england and the US, not canada and the US. brits were fighting france in 1812, but not in 1814 and 15 when the battles in the US took place. those were mostly british regulars. the ones that burnt the white house down were British regulars from england, not canadians. When fighting in canada, yes, we lost to indians and farmers, but not in the US itself. that was england
@CodArk2 , no, lol us lost to a colony (Canada). it was all a part of the war of 1812, there was lots of battles. Canadian indians almost alone captured detroit without a shot fired from the americans. anyways, who ares, worry more about south korea, Canada is an ally now.
@Love4SK US fought a war with the british empire in 1812. the fights in canada we lost, the fights in other parts like baltimore and new orleans we won. Canada is an ally, but still, many make the assumption that america was a superpower in 1812 when it was not. britain was a super power then though, and we managed to prevent an invasion. the US did not lose the war of 1812, it was a draw
@CoolRuffian new york was not fighting canada, it was the United States. Canada at that time was part of the british empire. Canada was not an independent nation in 1812. That is why the claims the US "lost" to Canada are stupid, if we lost it was to the British Empire, not Canada. Though most any history book will tell you it was a draw that neither side really won.
As the Treaty of Ghent makes clear, the War of 1812 ended in a draw but the British were clearly winning it. If the war had carried on, the US would've financially collapsed as the British Royal Navy were effectively blockading all eastern and southern American ports, crippling it's economy.
In summary, the War of 1812 could be seen as a British military victory but an American political one.
well most ppl do not realize that in three invasion attempts on Canada during this war our troops were out number by Yankee troops 10 to 1 or higher... well bring it on... OH btw Canadians did not go south to Washington etc... Brits did Briitish regulars
No one can deny the effect that the USA had on the outcome of WW II, but the commitment, of the British, Canadians, Anzacs, Indians, plus the heroic struggle of Russia is often lost on the Amercan public. The Canadians started out as part of British Army and ended the war as an army Canada could be proud of having fought hard for four years. Vimy Ridge is a part of Canadian history. But it wasn't a competition. They all did their bit. I'm English.
@ MajBlood how about the Battle of Thames? Americans kicked Canadian ass!! Thanks to William Henry Harrison. Also kicked British ass at New Orleans - BAD!! So, in the end, WE WON.
@Crey2237 -You imbecile, we invaded British territory north of our border, NOT CANADA! Won some battles there too! I don't see a British flag flying over the U.S. therefore WE WIN!! For a second time!
@bluebelly07 the americans invaded canada first. two years and no conquest? the little province of upper canada holds out against the whole force of democracy? this is very grading.
@bluebelly07 Are you dumb, America got its ass kicked. It used less soldiers, lost more. Learn your history, America lost, the only reason any Americans think they won is because they gained land that we didn't give to shits about.
@bluebelly07 Also, the British invaded nobody, they repelled you Americans and pushed you back through your land. Also you would be flying the British flag if their goal was to put you back in the Empire. Their goal was to protect their land and teach you a lesson in war. You only beat the British in your revolution because France came and helped you, but I'm sure you didn't know.
@TheCanadianPatriot1 That is not true, the British did invade the US during the War of 1812, but it was after an American invasion of Canada and the sacking of what is now Toronto by American forces. You cannot say that they did not invade because if that was the case how did they sack Washington DC or get defeated outside of New Orleans if they didnt invade? They did plan to take America back but the war ended in a stalemate. Canada stayed British and the US stayed free
@Lambchop08 Did the British stay in Washington? Did they build fortifacations? No. They were raids. Why Burn anything if they intended to occupy as an invading force. The British burned then left. It was revenge for the USA's attempt to annex Canada.
@Eddythebeast666 They landed troops inside the United States, that is the definition of invasion. The US invaded France during World War 2, we didnt intend to occupy it but its still considered an invasion. Plus Great Britain was in no position to attempt to occupy the entire United States considering they were out war with the superior forces of Napoleonic France.
@Lambchop08 Vikings Raided some places & Invaded others the differance is that the places they invaded they didn't burn in fact they built further structures. The USA helped liberate France & built military bases in Europe which many are still there even so the local population does not call America an "Invader" that I'm aware of but do reffer to the Nazis as such. The British had no intent to occupy but might have liberated Baltimore & those States who disaproved of the War.
1. an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army.
I am a history major and have a great interest in military history, i am well aware of what the US was doing in Europe, but an invasion is a military attack on another country.
@Lambchop08 Try looking at a few other definitions. I'm Ex-military. Just a grunt not an officer but even so I know the differance between raids & invasions. Briton didn't send sufficant force to invade because as you pointed out Napolion. Sure you can call landing troops an "invasion" but you are abusing the intended meaning of the word. Like calling the 3 deaths in Boston a Massacre. It's hyperbol, sensationalizum which might make it more interesting but it less acurate.
@Lambchop08 An invasion is a military offensive consisting of all, or large parts of the armed forces of one geopolitical entity aggressively entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering, liberating or re-establishing control or authority... Wiki
@Eddythebeast666 While i can agree with you that calling the Boston Massacre a massacre is a huge exageration, especially since I feel more sympathetic to the British soldiers on that particular occasion, the British did occupy American territory at the end of the war, and Americans occupied British territory at the end of the war, but those were switched with the Treaty of Ghent. So according to your definition the British occupied American soil so it was an invasion. You British Military?
@Lambchop08 For comparison I submit the example of the "Dieppe Raid" of WWII by some standards it could be called an invasion, I believe the Nazi's called it that in propaganda films. In comparison to D day it was most defanatly a raid. If Briton had dedacated more forces to the USA assult in 1812 & mounted a true invasion with conquest ambishions trust me there would be no question as to the apropreate term.
@Eddythebeast666 I agree Dieppe is a raid, and the British had around 50,000 troops under their command on the continent by wars end, that isnt considered a raid in my opinion. Im sure that Great Britain would have had plenty of more troops if it wasnt for Napoleon. Would you consider The Mongols invaders even though they burned pretty much everything in their path? What about Hannibal in Italy, he had around 30,000 men when he entered Italy, less than the British in the war of 1812
@Lambchop08 Hannibal was almost certainly exagerated by the General who defeated him for political purposes. As that general's account is the only one avalable to make judgments about the action we don't have an unbiased view to contest it. Sure feels hyped up reading it though doesn't it? Mongols are harder to peg.
@Lambchop08 The revolution was a type of civil war as the Loyalist colonists confuse the issue as to who had rightful claim. Even if every one was in agreement in rejecting British rule I'm not sure if it's the right term. The Rebels overthrew British rule (with French help I might add) so I could almost call the Rebels the invaders but that is going to sound very silly. No. I wouldn't use the word Invasion for that. Briton did invade French Canada and native lands prior to the revolution
@Eddythebeast666 I would consider the size of the force at hand and the objective the determining factors on what constitutes a raid and what constitutes an invasion
@Lambchop08 Canadian PPCLI 3rd Battalion. As far as objectives go if the Mississippi had fallen to British control I'm sure ambishions would have blossumed but it can be established from Brock's own letters that Briton did not believe the colonies were defensable. Brock's successes were ridiculas by any standard. Canada should have fallen just as easily as the War Hawks predicted. B barely had enough force commited for defence even with back up from Bermuda. What was taken by B couldn't be kept
@bluebelly07 Britain had no intention of invading the US. Britain had 250,000 toops stationed in Europe during the napoleonic wars, 52,000 british troops fought at the Battle of Vitoria in 1813, 150,000 British and Portugese troops invaded France in 1814
in comparison only 5000 british troops were stationed in Canada at the start of the war of 1812. the united states meant nothing in 19th century politics, why is it so hard for you americans to understand?
@jed371 - Well, evidently the British did have some interest in invading the U.S. 40 warships at the port of Baltimore bombing Fort McHenry, which was unsuccessful and an army of 8000 witch failed to take the city. And don't forget the 10,000 Brits at New Orleans, what the hell were they there for - tea and crumpets? No, invasion was on their mind! Andrew Jackson hated the British, and frankly, I can't blame him! What happened at Washington would NOT be repeated....
@bluebelly07 - Oops - my spelling -"witch" should have been "which." And by your own figures shown in your comment below, they could ill afford to send troops to the the U.S. and yet they did. So there must have been some (or maybe a lot of) interest in British/American politics of the time.
@bluebelly07 they didn't send troops until 1814 when Napoleon was defeated for the first time. Canada was defended with 5,000 regulars (already stationed there) and 10,000 provincials and militia. the cream of the Royal navy and British army was in europe and in spain. The British did not send any kind of troops until 1814, and even that was a tiny amount compared to the 150,000 who had served in europe and india.
@bluebelly07 the british stratergy was to raid and destroy, if they wanted to invade they would have captured washington, not burnt it down. new orleans happened a month after the war had ended, the British had no interest in the war. you cant blame him? you realise the british burnt washington after your american pirate bastards had raped and pilleged their way across upper canada and burnt York to the ground? yes i said rape. try reading some history instead of american propaganda
@jed371 How do you know that wasn't Canadian propaganda? I'll bet the Brit's may have done a little of raping and pillaging themselves in Washington. After all they ate Jamie Madison's dinner! At any rate, regardless of the numbers involved, the British FAILED to reoccupy their former American territories. By the way, Jackson hated the British for the way they treated him and his brother during the Revolution. He was slashed with a sword for not shining a British officers shoes! Arrogant prick!
@bluebelly07 What Briton did was raid the coast in order to force the USA in to a defencive posture, it was NOT an invasion, it was a counter assault, NO ATTEMPT TO OCCUPY WAS MADE. The war crimes of 1812 are well documented. The USA violated the conventions of war first, after which British made little attempt to enforce them upon their own troops. Would you like me to cite references?
Jackson hated everybody, He hated banks, Natives, French, if he got slashed he probably was asking for it.
@Eddythebeast666 - You're right about Jackson, he absolutely hated the British and American Indians, but the funny thing is, he adopted an American Indian boy!
LOL! I see you've met bluebelly07! I used to joust with him re 1812 on an old account of mine. He's a lil' misguided (insisting GB was invading, trying to regain her initial 13 colonies when we both know that's nonsense) but he's OK.
@MrCUNTYBALLS Yes exactly. The USA had proven itself more valuable as an independent trading partner then as a colony. Too costly to run especially as the US was such a bitch about paying a fair share of tax. 50 years after 1812 the British empire dumped Canada as well. The idea that with Napoleon's defeat Britain had nothing better to do then retake the USA when all of Europe was in chaos & up for grabs come from the American habit of thinking everything in the world revolves about them.
Yes, that's as a consequence of their indoctrination, dreadful, second-rate education and Zionist controlled media filing their heads with garbage. The powers that be don't WANT them to be educated or informed; a zombie nation is easier to manipulate and control.
Moreover, many Americans learn their "history" through BS Hollywood movies (renowned for skewing historical acuracy...)
Kasserine pass, ok its not a war either but the usa was trounced fair and square, . Korea until the UN troops bailed you out, and Vietnam, I know its been mentioned but it feels good to repeat it. The USA is like the school bully, picks on the little guy, seminoles, philipinos, spanish, lol and/or waits until the until the second round before commiting in a real fight ie ww1 and ww2. :)
I ask to name a war USA has fought alone and lost. You tell me a Battle from WW2, lol. Which btw USA didnt fight alone, UK and France were in that one too.
Oh I'm not American so don't act like your hurting my feelings.
Korea and Vietnam, good job you know lots about those wars if you think USA fought alone.
Its funny to see people say things like "USA picks on weaker countries". Yea no shit everybody is weaker than them lol. What do you expect a ww3? u want USA fighting Russia or something?
ha! your an aussie..lol. my mistake.Apart from wars which europeans would consider minor skirmishes (seminole war)the USA has never fought a war alone, even in Vietnam there were other nations involved as your aware. the USA was not always the most powerfull nation either which is why they restricted their aggression to minos such as Spain in Cuba, and newly independant Philipines.
the war of 1812 was a stalemate! both sides defended their territory and we won all the one on one ship battles and naval battles like Lake Erie and Champlain! We did win an important strategic battle in Canada though vs British regulars and Tecumseh's confederation which secured the northwest frontier! and we burned York, but we are alllies now!
uh we inflicted many more chinese and north korean casualties than they did us, the korean war was a stalemate, we (Primarily) kept south korea from being overun, inchon 1950 was one of the most brilliant amphibious landings off all-time! we beat the big boys as well, Germans, Japanese, British, etc we have a history of kicking butt! un troops didn't do nothign to bail us out you moron, they helped but no USA no victory in the Korean war! Vietnam won ALL the battles, lost the war
uh???????? you need a history lesson, it isn't about just fighting alone and we have fought alone in the past or have been the PRIMARY CONTRIBUTOR! idiot! and we won the overall Cold War vs the Soviets, the soviets fell, we became the sole superpower, the soviets supplied the north vietnamese like we did the mujahadeens in Afghanistan in the soviet afghan war! both vietnam and soviet-afghan war were part of the cold war! learn history! we have done a lot to shape this world in our history
Kasserine Pass was our worst defeat in the war! just after that battle wee trounced the German 10th panzer divsion at El-Guettar when Patton was appointed! We beat the big boys etc! We beat Japan and Germany in WW2, we beat the north koreans in Korea(stalemated with the chinese) we beat the Germans in WW1 as well! and Germans had allies as well in WW2! that's why they called it a "world war"
I think the Soviets were the major contributing factor to the German defeat in Europe (I'm British btw, and get annoyed with both my compatriots and Hollywood claiming soul responsibilty. El-Guettar was a sideshow, and you were fortunate to fight a Germany weakened by years of fighting. I'll give the US navy credit for wiping out the Japanese navy, but don't forget that over half the Japanese army was locked in the Chinese conflict. As for the First Wolrd War, at most you can claim to be the...
straw that broke the camels back, since you didn't enter until 1917. Furthermore Mr Victory 1981, the real cause of the German defeat was the British Naval blockade (which was a savage immorl tactic) that starved the German civilians, in many cases quite literally to death. Victory 1981, your knowledge of history is far better than most Americans, but by no means complete, so perhaps you should stop calling people morons. As for the German allies, Italy, come off it you're having a laugh!
Very true. Speaking as a Canadian, happy my country sreved along side Britain and the Commonwealth, the fist, and hardest years of the war were taken by the rest of the countries, especially in WWI, America sat out for 3 years!
We had no reason to get into WWI until Germany attacked our dockyards, sabotaged our supplies, attacked our merchant vessels, and asked Mexico to invade us. It wouldn't have been worse for us if Germany had won WWI and Britain and France been defeated. It wasn't our fight, before that time we had traditionally good relations with Germany, and poor relations with the British Empire.
@AvroRL201 indeed we do owe a great debt of honour to the Commonwealth for the help, I have attended Australian and New Zealand ANZAC day services in both Countries, very moving, I have yet to attend Canadian service of Remembrance.
For god sake. the brits did win the war because they stopped you yanks from taking canada!..And the brits were outnumbered most of the time by 3-1, this showed you yanks that we can kick your ass!, the revolutionary war was won because you had help by france and spain, which we brits were also fighting close to home. 1812 was a slap in your face by us brits to not underestimate us.
Britain did not win the war of 1812. Winning a few battles doesn't mean victory. It was a stalemate, nobody was winning or won the war which led to the Treaty of Ghent, that didn't change any land ownership.
Britain might have been outnumbered overall but they had the world's most experienced military and had mostly professional soldiers vs the Americans continental army which was smaller and no experience and a bunch of militia who were not soldiers.
Yep. It was a stalemate with no clear winner. Pretty much a pointless war in my opinion that could have clearly been prevented if not for some hawisk politicans bent on acquring territory and flexing military muscle. Thankfully the British were more interested in defeating Napolean then worrying about the conflict across the sea.
actually we did win, in that we prevented the American war aims of annexation of Quebec and possibly the eastern provinces into USA, I would call that a victory.
Canada as an Independent nation didn't exist then, it was a BRITISH Empire undertaking, using combined British forces, Provincial Regular and Provincial Militia along with Indian allies.
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this war was won by either side u dumb fiucks and too the amaricans that say they won bullshit u invaded canada twice and failed horribly u won like won major battle and a couple of single ship engagments big woopen fuck but i well still admit even thought we won more battles no one won that war
This is sad, you say you crushed the American forces yet you lost Sir Isaac Brock being targeted by American rifle's.
What was the 1st war in which a equal-classed ship was destroyed by a foreign navy 1812...what was the 1st war that a squadron was defeated by a foreign navy 1812.
How can you state that the British won this war? It was a neutralized peace Status Quo to the time prior to the war nothing was gained on either side except for sorrow on the British dignity.
Nothing was gained? It sparked dramatic Canadian nationalism and helped us forge our national identity. The war has approximately no impact on US or British philosophy today, but holds a warm place in the hearts of many Canadians. This painfully obvious American war of aggression against the citizens of Upper Canada also tempered the expansionist dreams of leaders of the day, and has helped solidify nearly two centuries of peace.
@TheIceman567 So when that other yank starts telling the world about her Master's Degree and trying to change in her mind what actually happened....well actually I hear that you Americans make up history as you go along, just like the two world wars....need I say more?
@TheIceman567 Well firstly Im not British or Canadian. Im a white South Afrcan. Secondly, yes, I visited the US in May 2006 and was not impressed...Harlem, like the rest of New York is a shit hole. New Jersey is worse than Soweto! And Atlanta is a hovel...And apparently USA is the wealthiest country in the world?! Looked like it too.......I would'nt go again put it that way.
@JasperLee23 Yeah because you went to the east coast you fool you always go to the West I'm from NY and i never tell no one to go to New York. I support the White in South Africa at the hands of the ANC and the White's in Zimbabwe but then i see people like you and ask why?
@JasperLee23 Nah, Long live Canada, Long Live the UK, Fuck the monarchy & fuck the commonwealth (if there even is one anymore...) We're Canadian, Canadian. & we'll never be British ever again. It's the stupidest thing in the world having a foreign queen. Makes absolutely no sense at... all......so fucking stupid.
You again.... You most be really dense not to understand why we're who we are after watching real history like this. Can you perhaps inform me if I can hire you to clean some ditches near my house?
wheres the Special forces unit that countered the American attack and put them on the run ^ ( Tecumseh and his 80 warriors )
ulnu 2 weeks ago
The deaths of General Ross and Pakenham are worth 10 Washington burnings, because they were actual physical military achievements. The burning of the US capitol bldg did nothing.
And if we should talk about fires....no city ever burned like London when the Dutch set it ablaze. 80% burned.
USMarineRifleman0311 1 month ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 That fire wasn't started by the Dutch and it didn't burn anywhere 80% of London
aspiringdrummer17 4 weeks ago
@aspiringdrummer17
today you say it wasnt, but it was unanimously blamed on the dutch at the time
80% is the official BBC claim
USMarineRifleman0311 3 weeks ago
The British and Canadians won the war (a very close fight though) but the US won the peace conference. The only losers of the war were the Iroquois who were betrayed by the British and left them to American genocide. The US should have won the war itself, but was very badly divided with some of the New England states refusing to participate or even threatening secession over the war. On the other hand almost all of the British military was fighting Napoleon in Europe.
Mrblancnoir 1 month ago
@Mrblancnoir
The British won the war?
All 3 major landings failed. From Sacketts harbor (2x) to Baltimore to New Orleans.
US ended the war with 62 victories, control of the Great lakes, Mississippi and NW territories. Brits only had 38 victories.
The royal navy lost 26 battles, and around 40 battleships
USMarineRifleman0311 1 month ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 America lost because it failed to invade Canada, that was the whole point of the war. Also the US actually suffered much higher casualties overall.
uafchris 1 month ago
@uafchris
Casualties are inherent if you want to win more victorious battles.
USMarineRifleman0311 1 month ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 The battles that mattered were British/Canadian victories. Whats more many of the great British victories were against much larger US armies; some of the most humiliating examples of incompetence and cowardice the US army has ever seen. At least at New Orleans the British bravely kept attacking and exposed themselves to intense fire and casualties before they retreated, at most of the battles in Canada the Americans just ran like cowards as soon as a few shots were fired .
uafchris 1 month ago
@uafchris
you're pretty cleverly trying to make US troops into cowards despite the fact that they won more battles in more cases and retreated with their units intact.
Then on the otherhand youre overplaying the discipline showed by Highland troops at NO as if its somehow heroic and takes the edge off the fact that it was a miserable defeat of an invading armada of men that failed to take a strategic waterway.
War w/ Napoleon was over before New Orleans...most Brit troops were veterans
USMarineRifleman0311 1 month ago
holy crap, age of empire battle music, got me battle ready for the online mass battles in just 2 seconds lol, loved the great line actions
bloodndestroy 3 months ago
Isn t this the war in which Jackson slaughtered an entire British army lol
hehno1 4 months ago
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uafchris 2 months ago
@hehno1 No, its the war the US lost. Their armies were driven from Canada, their fleet was destroyed or bottled up in port, their economy was crippled and their capital was reduced to ruins. After the US government sued for peace and the treaty was signed, Jackson repulsed a small force of Brits who were attacking new Orleans, their army was not destroyed, nor was it slaughtered (less than 300 were killed). It regrouped and then attacked Fort Bowyer, forcing the entire US garrison to surrender.
uafchris 2 months ago
@uafchris
ahm ok I guess that's the canadian-british version of it . An us historian i've read claimed otherwise lol:))
hehno1 2 months ago
@hehno1 Well hes clearly bias and wrong
uafchris 2 months ago
@uafchris
a small force of Brits at New Orleans? lmfao
In case you consider a major landing force small in your dictionary. The control of the Mississippi wouldve meant total encirclement of US. You do realize that aside from the absence of the USN on the eastern seabord, the USN won 2x battles for each one it lost?
Ft Bowyer was miniscule in comparison to New Orleans. The Brits needed a garrison to recoup. 1st battle was a US victory as well as the 3rd and final one.
USMarineRifleman0311 1 month ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 You do realise the war consisted of more than New Orleans? The war ended on the 24th of December 1814. New Orleans was on January 9th and made no difference to anything.
Also wars aren't won by tallying up skirmishes, Britain was fighting Napoleon at the same time yet at still managed to beat the US everywhere it mattered. The US invasions of Canada were crushed, the US Navy was bottled up and the US economy crippled; America suffered more casualties and lost badly.
uafchris 1 month ago
@uafchris amazing how you can repel all the major enemy landings and still loose the war. What a concept.
What incomoptence are you babbling about? We won more battles during both the St Lawrence and Detroit frontier battles.
New Orleans wouldve been celebrated as the end of the US expansion by the Brits had it worked. Canadian frontier battles were nowhere as bloody for either side as NO was.
Mississippi was strategic, Baltimore wasnt.
USMarineRifleman0311 1 month ago
@USMarineRifleman0311
Amazing how the US can attempt to invade and take over a country, end up gaining zero territory and still claim to have won the war! I suggest that it should be possible for you to be patriotic without being willful blind and ignorant of history.
proudguy 3 weeks ago
@proudguy
neither country gained anything. Alot of territory was conceded to the US following the treaty, but neither country's invasions were succesful at bringing the other to the negotiations table, especially after the Battle of Baltimore.
What did happen was 62 American victories to nearly half of that number British and Canadian ones put together.
US = best fighting record of the war
USMarineRifleman0311 3 weeks ago
@USMarineRifleman0311
Did the US win the Vietnam war? America won more battles than the Vietnamese.
proudguy 3 weeks ago
RIP General Brock and Tecumseh!
1988scottcarey 4 months ago
war of 1812 great British Canadian victory!!
sprPee 5 months ago
The Canadian reenactors are far thinner than the Americans I have seen in War of independence videos.
planetrockford 5 months ago in playlist Dave 2
Yay Canada, show em what you're made of !
ryank8843 11 months ago
Age of empires music ftw. The Maple leaf forever!
raedenjay 11 months ago 7
last time america walks in our terrirtory
TheFrenchtoast96 1 year ago
Once Isaac Brack was killed in 1812 Tecumseh and his 500 soldiers had to face 3000 americans
ilnu2000 1 year ago
Why argue over a war that happened many moons ago. Canada and USA are their own independent country. Our countries are fighting a new war in Afghanistan. Instead of bickering over who won the war of 1812, why not support our troops in defeating terrorism? I've served, my son has served, and my brother has served. I've lost two friends, one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. Be a true patriot to your country and support your troops!
Bingo411 1 year ago
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Ok so what is your point? You were arguing that Canada didn't exist, and now you go off on a tangent explaining insignificant crap.
MajBlood 1 year ago
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Wow you truly do prove that Americans are stupid. Sure the Canadian provinces were British colonies but that didn't stop them from being Canadians. I suppose to your logic, there were no such thing as Indians in the 1800s, because India was a British colony? Upper Canada and Lower Canada existed at the time, therefore people who lived there were Canadians.
MajBlood 1 year ago
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Canada did exist idiot, just not as we know it now. Then it was seperate provinces, two which were indeed called Upper Canada and Lower Canada. And you can bet our British allies were honoured to help us Canadians push the Americans back across the great lakes. You American scum.
MajBlood 1 year ago
Push on, brave York volunteers!
VideoGameNerd777 1 year ago
@VideoGameNerd777 I just bought an Isaac Brock action figure and it is awesome. They should make a movie on Queenston Heights. I would cast Russell Crowe as Isaac Brock.
MajBlood 1 year ago
yay age of empires 3 music to go with the battle.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
Long Live Canada! Long Live the British Empire!
MajBlood 1 year ago 19
@MajBlood British empire? fuck that...long live the ever rising Canadian empire...VIVE LE CANADA!
kidkappa04 1 year ago
lol nice age of empires music ;p
SouthShoreProduction 1 year ago
i live closs to there
12andrewrules 1 year ago
that was a great victory for canada
TheSammyddog 1 year ago
@TheSammyddog not for canada for britain
12andrewrules 1 year ago
@12andrewrules it's the samething dumb ass.
danhabsfan9 1 year ago
renenactments look pretty cool but i dont get how the work. i mean how do u know when your shot?
maxcooper4321 1 year ago
Haha us Canadians wooped American ass. Sent does yanks running back to their own shit hole country.
MajBlood 1 year ago
@MajBlood what "shit hole"? the US is a lot nicer than canada...at least we can live in most of our country. Also, we kicked y'alls asses later in the battle of baltimore and the battle of new orleans and several other battles when YOU tried to invade US. And no, canada was not a country in 1812, not til 1867.
CodArk2 1 year ago
@CodArk2 Canada is a better country, we have better government, better laws, and we aren't a country made up of traitors. Funny how you Americans always bring up Baltimore and New Orleans. Yes you did win those battles, everybody wins some, but that is far from winning the war, which you did not. We successfully invaded the U.S. but let you off on the Treaty of Ghent. No Canada was not a country, but Canada was a colony, so Canada and Canadians did exist.
MajBlood 1 year ago
@MajBlood Not really. Most of the US is habitable, unlike Canada(why 90 percent of your population lives on the US border). our legal systems are alike as well, yours isn't any better. and we arent made up of traitors, since we were having to pay for englands wars with taxes we had no say in. The war was a draw, neither side won, not the US, nor britain. the US was colonies back in the 1600s, but we dont claim englands victories as ours, one of which was conquering canada... from the french
CodArk2 1 year ago
@CodArk2 , yes, Canada was a colony in 1812, usa lost to a colony, lol
Love4SK 1 year ago
@Love4SK the US did not lose. Anyone with a grain of common sense would see the war of 1812 was a tie, a draw, a stalemate. Neither side gained territory, and both sides pretty much got what they wanted. Contrary to canadians tellings of this, the US was not a superpower in 1812, britain (and by extension canada) was a superpower. Canada has enough to be proud of without trying to steal another countries military history for its own, 1812 was UK vs US, not canada vs US.
CodArk2 1 year ago
@CodArk2 , Canada was attacked, England was not attacked. its a fair claim by Canaidians seeing as a small percentage were red coats and the larger percentage were Canadian militia, Native Indians and Canadian farmers and lay people many of who were probably born in the colony of Upper Canada. and never saw mother England in their lifetime. Canadian schools do teach it as a decisive victory for Canada, it makes sense. Its a pride thing, its not meant to diss the states.
Love4SK 1 year ago
@Love4SK british canada was attacked. the US did not have the ability to get soldiers to england or they would have. in canada most of the fighting was canadian militia, in the battles in the US most were british regulars from the european battles against napoleon, not canadians. Canadian schools teach it wrong. we didnt conquer canada, but england didnt conquer us either. no one won or lost anything. no US school teaches we won, but we didnt lose either
CodArk2 1 year ago
when usa invaded canada they were raping women eww nasty sick minded americans
vidoman12 1 year ago
they were?
Crey2237 1 year ago
@Crey2237 yea i read it on history books
vidoman12 1 year ago
@vidoman12 when britain invaded the US they did the same thing to americans.
CodArk2 1 year ago
GOD SAVE OUR QUEEN OF CANADA!!!
324wilson 1 year ago
whats the song called....cuz i need a song for a social studies prodject
drpeperchick12 1 year ago
@drpeperchick12 this music is from the game Age of Empire
gatomouce 1 year ago
Aside from the arguments on here about, of all things WWII,,, the are this battle took place is very historic. Brocks monument domintes the area overlooking the battlefield and Niagara river. There are quite a few plaques and cannon set up around the battle area. Including a plaque showing were Brock died during the charge up the heights. Very historic place i you enjoy that.
xvoy2002 1 year ago
Of course the notice from Belgium would probably take weeks to get across the ocean, the Battle of New Orleans had already started.
guitar241990 1 year ago
In which the United States was victorious at NO. We burned the Capitol they burned the Upper Canada Parliament.
guitar241990 1 year ago
The final battle was New Orleans before the treaty of Ghent. I believe the British and Upper Canadians had more soldiers. The war was a ping pong match. If you read on some of them you'll see that it was back and forth.
guitar241990 1 year ago
It ended 195 years ago. No one lost territory so no one won. Stop arguing.
guitar241990 1 year ago
@guitar241990 no, canada won, america invaded canada and came running back home 2 years later.
funnyz2k 1 year ago
@funnyz2k and y'all invaded the US and we kicked you back. It was a draw, a tie. anyone that teaches or believes different is deluded. Canada did not win, canada was not a nation in 1812. america was not a superpower then either, we were only like 40 years old as a nation
CodArk2 1 year ago
@CodArk2 , usa lost to Canada. usa was 40 yrs old, Canada wasnt even a nation yet, they were a colony. ouch, losing to a colony.thats gotta suck.
Love4SK 1 year ago
@Love4SK *sigh* you are an idiot. if the US lost to anyone, it was the british empire, not canada. You cannot lose to something that does not exist, canada was not a sovereign nation in 1812. In addition, most of the battles in the US were fought by british soldiers, not canadians. Your logic makes little sense really, go back a few years before: Britain lost to the US. Britain was thousands of yrs old, US wasnt even a nation yet, they were a colony. ouch, losing to a colony.thats gotta suck.
CodArk2 1 year ago
@CodArk2 , Canada was a colony in 1812, so usa lost to a colony, thats even worse,lol. Brits were busy fighting france, usa basically lost to indians and Upper Canadian farmers.
Love4SK 1 year ago
@Love4SK england lost to a colony. why does that matter? second the peace treaty was signed between england and the US, not canada and the US. brits were fighting france in 1812, but not in 1814 and 15 when the battles in the US took place. those were mostly british regulars. the ones that burnt the white house down were British regulars from england, not canadians. When fighting in canada, yes, we lost to indians and farmers, but not in the US itself. that was england
CodArk2 1 year ago
@CodArk2 , no, lol us lost to a colony (Canada). it was all a part of the war of 1812, there was lots of battles. Canadian indians almost alone captured detroit without a shot fired from the americans. anyways, who ares, worry more about south korea, Canada is an ally now.
Love4SK 1 year ago
@Love4SK US fought a war with the british empire in 1812. the fights in canada we lost, the fights in other parts like baltimore and new orleans we won. Canada is an ally, but still, many make the assumption that america was a superpower in 1812 when it was not. britain was a super power then though, and we managed to prevent an invasion. the US did not lose the war of 1812, it was a draw
CodArk2 1 year ago
@CodArk2
I suppose New York doesn't exist because it isn't a country
CoolRuffian 10 months ago
@CoolRuffian new york was not fighting canada, it was the United States. Canada at that time was part of the british empire. Canada was not an independent nation in 1812. That is why the claims the US "lost" to Canada are stupid, if we lost it was to the British Empire, not Canada. Though most any history book will tell you it was a draw that neither side really won.
CodArk2 10 months ago
@CodArk2
As the Treaty of Ghent makes clear, the War of 1812 ended in a draw but the British were clearly winning it. If the war had carried on, the US would've financially collapsed as the British Royal Navy were effectively blockading all eastern and southern American ports, crippling it's economy.
In summary, the War of 1812 could be seen as a British military victory but an American political one.
MrCUNTYBALLS 10 months ago
well most ppl do not realize that in three invasion attempts on Canada during this war our troops were out number by Yankee troops 10 to 1 or higher... well bring it on... OH btw Canadians did not go south to Washington etc... Brits did Briitish regulars
loyalistdawg 1 year ago
@loyalistdawg British won cuz of the natives (my opinnion but yes, i have facts to back it up)
deyjavoo123 1 year ago
aoe 3 is my favorite game!
HrafnkelHarthrathi 2 years ago
No one can deny the effect that the USA had on the outcome of WW II, but the commitment, of the British, Canadians, Anzacs, Indians, plus the heroic struggle of Russia is often lost on the Amercan public. The Canadians started out as part of British Army and ended the war as an army Canada could be proud of having fought hard for four years. Vimy Ridge is a part of Canadian history. But it wasn't a competition. They all did their bit. I'm English.
kingsindiandefence 2 years ago
Bad ass! Go Canada! You kicked America's ass! Sir Isaac Brock you will be remembered as a Canadian hero!
MajBlood 2 years ago 3
@ MajBlood how about the Battle of Thames? Americans kicked Canadian ass!! Thanks to William Henry Harrison. Also kicked British ass at New Orleans - BAD!! So, in the end, WE WON.
bluebelly07 2 years ago
@bluebelly07
haha, yeah Tecumseh got PWNED!
MOETA9 2 years ago
Canada will take over America one day. Fuck America
getajobgetalife 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 how did the americans win idiot. you dont control canada therefor britian won
Crey2237 1 year ago
@Crey2237 -You imbecile, we invaded British territory north of our border, NOT CANADA! Won some battles there too! I don't see a British flag flying over the U.S. therefore WE WIN!! For a second time!
bluebelly07 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 you fucking moron, america invaded british colonies, and they failed to control it. the british won idiot.
Crey2237 1 year ago
@Crey2237 - the Brits invaded the U.S. - were repelled - therefore WE WIN!! For the second time!
bluebelly07 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 the americans invaded canada first. two years and no conquest? the little province of upper canada holds out against the whole force of democracy? this is very grading.
Crey2237 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 Are you dumb, America got its ass kicked. It used less soldiers, lost more. Learn your history, America lost, the only reason any Americans think they won is because they gained land that we didn't give to shits about.
TheCanadianPatriot1 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 Also, the British invaded nobody, they repelled you Americans and pushed you back through your land. Also you would be flying the British flag if their goal was to put you back in the Empire. Their goal was to protect their land and teach you a lesson in war. You only beat the British in your revolution because France came and helped you, but I'm sure you didn't know.
TheCanadianPatriot1 1 year ago
@TheCanadianPatriot1 That is not true, the British did invade the US during the War of 1812, but it was after an American invasion of Canada and the sacking of what is now Toronto by American forces. You cannot say that they did not invade because if that was the case how did they sack Washington DC or get defeated outside of New Orleans if they didnt invade? They did plan to take America back but the war ended in a stalemate. Canada stayed British and the US stayed free
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Did the British stay in Washington? Did they build fortifacations? No. They were raids. Why Burn anything if they intended to occupy as an invading force. The British burned then left. It was revenge for the USA's attempt to annex Canada.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 They landed troops inside the United States, that is the definition of invasion. The US invaded France during World War 2, we didnt intend to occupy it but its still considered an invasion. Plus Great Britain was in no position to attempt to occupy the entire United States considering they were out war with the superior forces of Napoleonic France.
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Vikings Raided some places & Invaded others the differance is that the places they invaded they didn't burn in fact they built further structures. The USA helped liberate France & built military bases in Europe which many are still there even so the local population does not call America an "Invader" that I'm aware of but do reffer to the Nazis as such. The British had no intent to occupy but might have liberated Baltimore & those States who disaproved of the War.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 in·va·sion /ɪnˈveɪʒən/ [in-vey-zhuhn]
–noun
1. an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army.
I am a history major and have a great interest in military history, i am well aware of what the US was doing in Europe, but an invasion is a military attack on another country.
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Try looking at a few other definitions. I'm Ex-military. Just a grunt not an officer but even so I know the differance between raids & invasions. Briton didn't send sufficant force to invade because as you pointed out Napolion. Sure you can call landing troops an "invasion" but you are abusing the intended meaning of the word. Like calling the 3 deaths in Boston a Massacre. It's hyperbol, sensationalizum which might make it more interesting but it less acurate.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 An invasion is a military offensive consisting of all, or large parts of the armed forces of one geopolitical entity aggressively entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering, liberating or re-establishing control or authority... Wiki
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 While i can agree with you that calling the Boston Massacre a massacre is a huge exageration, especially since I feel more sympathetic to the British soldiers on that particular occasion, the British did occupy American territory at the end of the war, and Americans occupied British territory at the end of the war, but those were switched with the Treaty of Ghent. So according to your definition the British occupied American soil so it was an invasion. You British Military?
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 For comparison I submit the example of the "Dieppe Raid" of WWII by some standards it could be called an invasion, I believe the Nazi's called it that in propaganda films. In comparison to D day it was most defanatly a raid. If Briton had dedacated more forces to the USA assult in 1812 & mounted a true invasion with conquest ambishions trust me there would be no question as to the apropreate term.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 I agree Dieppe is a raid, and the British had around 50,000 troops under their command on the continent by wars end, that isnt considered a raid in my opinion. Im sure that Great Britain would have had plenty of more troops if it wasnt for Napoleon. Would you consider The Mongols invaders even though they burned pretty much everything in their path? What about Hannibal in Italy, he had around 30,000 men when he entered Italy, less than the British in the war of 1812
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Hannibal was almost certainly exagerated by the General who defeated him for political purposes. As that general's account is the only one avalable to make judgments about the action we don't have an unbiased view to contest it. Sure feels hyped up reading it though doesn't it? Mongols are harder to peg.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 What about the American Revolution? Were the British forces their invading, because they certainly had conquest ambitions that time?
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 The revolution was a type of civil war as the Loyalist colonists confuse the issue as to who had rightful claim. Even if every one was in agreement in rejecting British rule I'm not sure if it's the right term. The Rebels overthrew British rule (with French help I might add) so I could almost call the Rebels the invaders but that is going to sound very silly. No. I wouldn't use the word Invasion for that. Briton did invade French Canada and native lands prior to the revolution
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 I would consider the size of the force at hand and the objective the determining factors on what constitutes a raid and what constitutes an invasion
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Canadian PPCLI 3rd Battalion. As far as objectives go if the Mississippi had fallen to British control I'm sure ambishions would have blossumed but it can be established from Brock's own letters that Briton did not believe the colonies were defensable. Brock's successes were ridiculas by any standard. Canada should have fallen just as easily as the War Hawks predicted. B barely had enough force commited for defence even with back up from Bermuda. What was taken by B couldn't be kept
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 Britain had no intention of invading the US. Britain had 250,000 toops stationed in Europe during the napoleonic wars, 52,000 british troops fought at the Battle of Vitoria in 1813, 150,000 British and Portugese troops invaded France in 1814
in comparison only 5000 british troops were stationed in Canada at the start of the war of 1812. the united states meant nothing in 19th century politics, why is it so hard for you americans to understand?
jed371 1 year ago
@jed371 - Well, evidently the British did have some interest in invading the U.S. 40 warships at the port of Baltimore bombing Fort McHenry, which was unsuccessful and an army of 8000 witch failed to take the city. And don't forget the 10,000 Brits at New Orleans, what the hell were they there for - tea and crumpets? No, invasion was on their mind! Andrew Jackson hated the British, and frankly, I can't blame him! What happened at Washington would NOT be repeated....
bluebelly07 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 - Oops - my spelling -"witch" should have been "which." And by your own figures shown in your comment below, they could ill afford to send troops to the the U.S. and yet they did. So there must have been some (or maybe a lot of) interest in British/American politics of the time.
bluebelly07 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 they didn't send troops until 1814 when Napoleon was defeated for the first time. Canada was defended with 5,000 regulars (already stationed there) and 10,000 provincials and militia. the cream of the Royal navy and British army was in europe and in spain. The British did not send any kind of troops until 1814, and even that was a tiny amount compared to the 150,000 who had served in europe and india.
jed371 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 the british stratergy was to raid and destroy, if they wanted to invade they would have captured washington, not burnt it down. new orleans happened a month after the war had ended, the British had no interest in the war. you cant blame him? you realise the british burnt washington after your american pirate bastards had raped and pilleged their way across upper canada and burnt York to the ground? yes i said rape. try reading some history instead of american propaganda
jed371 1 year ago
@jed371 How do you know that wasn't Canadian propaganda? I'll bet the Brit's may have done a little of raping and pillaging themselves in Washington. After all they ate Jamie Madison's dinner! At any rate, regardless of the numbers involved, the British FAILED to reoccupy their former American territories. By the way, Jackson hated the British for the way they treated him and his brother during the Revolution. He was slashed with a sword for not shining a British officers shoes! Arrogant prick!
bluebelly07 1 year ago
@bluebelly07 What Briton did was raid the coast in order to force the USA in to a defencive posture, it was NOT an invasion, it was a counter assault, NO ATTEMPT TO OCCUPY WAS MADE. The war crimes of 1812 are well documented. The USA violated the conventions of war first, after which British made little attempt to enforce them upon their own troops. Would you like me to cite references?
Jackson hated everybody, He hated banks, Natives, French, if he got slashed he probably was asking for it.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 - You're right about Jackson, he absolutely hated the British and American Indians, but the funny thing is, he adopted an American Indian boy!
bluebelly07 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
LOL! I see you've met bluebelly07! I used to joust with him re 1812 on an old account of mine. He's a lil' misguided (insisting GB was invading, trying to regain her initial 13 colonies when we both know that's nonsense) but he's OK.
MrCUNTYBALLS 10 months ago
@MrCUNTYBALLS Yes exactly. The USA had proven itself more valuable as an independent trading partner then as a colony. Too costly to run especially as the US was such a bitch about paying a fair share of tax. 50 years after 1812 the British empire dumped Canada as well. The idea that with Napoleon's defeat Britain had nothing better to do then retake the USA when all of Europe was in chaos & up for grabs come from the American habit of thinking everything in the world revolves about them.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
Yes, that's as a consequence of their indoctrination, dreadful, second-rate education and Zionist controlled media filing their heads with garbage. The powers that be don't WANT them to be educated or informed; a zombie nation is easier to manipulate and control.
Moreover, many Americans learn their "history" through BS Hollywood movies (renowned for skewing historical acuracy...)
It's all rather sad, mate.
MrCUNTYBALLS 10 months ago
@MrCUNTYBALLS
*filling
MrCUNTYBALLS 10 months ago
@MrCUNTYBALLS
*accuracy
Fuckin' typos!!
LOL
MrCUNTYBALLS 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 i dont see a american flag in canada, WE WIN
Crey2237 1 year ago
American patriotism started and will end in there own blood
captancomet 2 years ago
Nice inclusion of Age of Empires III Music :P
aceofhicks 2 years ago
Vietnam.
nigee008 2 years ago
And further more america has never ever won a war singlehanded.
RebelSword 2 years ago
What about the Spanish-American War?
cashcleaner 2 years ago
Lol okay, i'll give you that aswell.
Anyway i'm not really interested in a time that all of us were not involved in.
The past is the past!
And after all the shit that both our countries did, we have a friendship that no other nations have ever had.
RebelSword 2 years ago
Amen, brother. We share the world's longest undefended border. That's pretty sweet in my opinion.
cashcleaner 2 years ago 2
what about the mexican-american war?
videosteffen101 2 years ago
First Barbary War (1801)
Seminole Wars (1817)
Mexican-American War (1846)
Spanish-American War (1898)
Philippine-American War (1899)
Actually I think you'd be more correct saying America has never LOST a war singlehanded. Unless you can name me 1 they have loss by themselves?
blackrob2002 2 years ago
Somalia in the 1990's
TheMozy2009 2 years ago
That was not a war..
blackrob2002 2 years ago
Kasserine pass, ok its not a war either but the usa was trounced fair and square, . Korea until the UN troops bailed you out, and Vietnam, I know its been mentioned but it feels good to repeat it. The USA is like the school bully, picks on the little guy, seminoles, philipinos, spanish, lol and/or waits until the until the second round before commiting in a real fight ie ww1 and ww2. :)
TheMozy2009 2 years ago
I ask to name a war USA has fought alone and lost. You tell me a Battle from WW2, lol. Which btw USA didnt fight alone, UK and France were in that one too.
Oh I'm not American so don't act like your hurting my feelings.
Korea and Vietnam, good job you know lots about those wars if you think USA fought alone.
Its funny to see people say things like "USA picks on weaker countries". Yea no shit everybody is weaker than them lol. What do you expect a ww3? u want USA fighting Russia or something?
blackrob2002 2 years ago
ha! your an aussie..lol. my mistake.Apart from wars which europeans would consider minor skirmishes (seminole war)the USA has never fought a war alone, even in Vietnam there were other nations involved as your aware. the USA was not always the most powerfull nation either which is why they restricted their aggression to minos such as Spain in Cuba, and newly independant Philipines.
TheMozy2009 2 years ago
In the immortal words of written by Paul Hogan, 'Australia, never missed a war, and we'll not miss the next even if we have to start it'. lol
TheMozy2009 2 years ago
the war of 1812 was a stalemate! both sides defended their territory and we won all the one on one ship battles and naval battles like Lake Erie and Champlain! We did win an important strategic battle in Canada though vs British regulars and Tecumseh's confederation which secured the northwest frontier! and we burned York, but we are alllies now!
Victory1981 2 years ago
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TheMozy2009 2 years ago
uh we inflicted many more chinese and north korean casualties than they did us, the korean war was a stalemate, we (Primarily) kept south korea from being overun, inchon 1950 was one of the most brilliant amphibious landings off all-time! we beat the big boys as well, Germans, Japanese, British, etc we have a history of kicking butt! un troops didn't do nothign to bail us out you moron, they helped but no USA no victory in the Korean war! Vietnam won ALL the battles, lost the war
Victory1981 2 years ago
uh???????? you need a history lesson, it isn't about just fighting alone and we have fought alone in the past or have been the PRIMARY CONTRIBUTOR! idiot! and we won the overall Cold War vs the Soviets, the soviets fell, we became the sole superpower, the soviets supplied the north vietnamese like we did the mujahadeens in Afghanistan in the soviet afghan war! both vietnam and soviet-afghan war were part of the cold war! learn history! we have done a lot to shape this world in our history
Victory1981 2 years ago
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TheMozy2009 2 years ago
Kasserine Pass was our worst defeat in the war! just after that battle wee trounced the German 10th panzer divsion at El-Guettar when Patton was appointed! We beat the big boys etc! We beat Japan and Germany in WW2, we beat the north koreans in Korea(stalemated with the chinese) we beat the Germans in WW1 as well! and Germans had allies as well in WW2! that's why they called it a "world war"
Victory1981 2 years ago
I think the Soviets were the major contributing factor to the German defeat in Europe (I'm British btw, and get annoyed with both my compatriots and Hollywood claiming soul responsibilty. El-Guettar was a sideshow, and you were fortunate to fight a Germany weakened by years of fighting. I'll give the US navy credit for wiping out the Japanese navy, but don't forget that over half the Japanese army was locked in the Chinese conflict. As for the First Wolrd War, at most you can claim to be the...
PNETriffid 2 years ago
straw that broke the camels back, since you didn't enter until 1917. Furthermore Mr Victory 1981, the real cause of the German defeat was the British Naval blockade (which was a savage immorl tactic) that starved the German civilians, in many cases quite literally to death. Victory 1981, your knowledge of history is far better than most Americans, but by no means complete, so perhaps you should stop calling people morons. As for the German allies, Italy, come off it you're having a laugh!
PNETriffid 2 years ago
Very true. Speaking as a Canadian, happy my country sreved along side Britain and the Commonwealth, the fist, and hardest years of the war were taken by the rest of the countries, especially in WWI, America sat out for 3 years!
AvroRL201 2 years ago
@AvroRL201
We had no reason to get into WWI until Germany attacked our dockyards, sabotaged our supplies, attacked our merchant vessels, and asked Mexico to invade us. It wouldn't have been worse for us if Germany had won WWI and Britain and France been defeated. It wasn't our fight, before that time we had traditionally good relations with Germany, and poor relations with the British Empire.
Robertz1986 1 year ago
@AvroRL201 indeed we do owe a great debt of honour to the Commonwealth for the help, I have attended Australian and New Zealand ANZAC day services in both Countries, very moving, I have yet to attend Canadian service of Remembrance.
Of course countless many in the United Kingdom.
vespaUK125 1 year ago
For god sake. the brits did win the war because they stopped you yanks from taking canada!..And the brits were outnumbered most of the time by 3-1, this showed you yanks that we can kick your ass!, the revolutionary war was won because you had help by france and spain, which we brits were also fighting close to home. 1812 was a slap in your face by us brits to not underestimate us.
RebelSword 2 years ago
Britain did not win the war of 1812. Winning a few battles doesn't mean victory. It was a stalemate, nobody was winning or won the war which led to the Treaty of Ghent, that didn't change any land ownership.
Britain might have been outnumbered overall but they had the world's most experienced military and had mostly professional soldiers vs the Americans continental army which was smaller and no experience and a bunch of militia who were not soldiers.
blackrob2002 2 years ago
Yep. It was a stalemate with no clear winner. Pretty much a pointless war in my opinion that could have clearly been prevented if not for some hawisk politicans bent on acquring territory and flexing military muscle. Thankfully the British were more interested in defeating Napolean then worrying about the conflict across the sea.
Beastmasterification 2 years ago 3
@Beastmasterification, It was more in Britains favour but a stalemate.
UnitedProviences 1 year ago
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@Beastmasterification British own your ass that day... :)
FrenkieWilde 1 year ago
actually we did win, in that we prevented the American war aims of annexation of Quebec and possibly the eastern provinces into USA, I would call that a victory.
vespaUK125 2 years ago
I would call that a victory in a few battles. Not the war.
What you're British? I take that back, Canadians can at least lay claim they defended their territory, Brits didn't win the war by any means.
blackrob2002 2 years ago
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vespaUK125 2 years ago
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Canada as an Independent nation didn't exist then, it was a BRITISH Empire undertaking, using combined British forces, Provincial Regular and Provincial Militia along with Indian allies.
1st Regiment of Foot (Royal Scots)
3rd Regiment (The Buffs)
4th Regiment(King's Own)
5th Regiment(Northumberland)
6th Regiment(Warwickshire)
7th Regiment(Royal Fusiliers)
8th Regiment(King's) a Liverpool Regiment my home town :0)
type in search for British regiment of 1812 the Youtube seems to block my link
vespaUK125 2 years ago
@vespaUK125 So would I. Too bad we gave back part of Niagara Falls and Detroit, Oh the U.S. can keep that hole in the wall Detroit.
billspeeroff 1 year ago
bay of pigs
tyke4747 2 years ago
this war was won by either side u dumb fiucks and too the amaricans that say they won bullshit u invaded canada twice and failed horribly u won like won major battle and a couple of single ship engagments big woopen fuck but i well still admit even thought we won more battles no one won that war
JOSH1669 2 years ago
Too Right Bro.
ransid55 2 years ago
This is sad, you say you crushed the American forces yet you lost Sir Isaac Brock being targeted by American rifle's.
What was the 1st war in which a equal-classed ship was destroyed by a foreign navy 1812...what was the 1st war that a squadron was defeated by a foreign navy 1812.
How can you state that the British won this war? It was a neutralized peace Status Quo to the time prior to the war nothing was gained on either side except for sorrow on the British dignity.
kyle1anko 2 years ago
Nothing was gained? It sparked dramatic Canadian nationalism and helped us forge our national identity. The war has approximately no impact on US or British philosophy today, but holds a warm place in the hearts of many Canadians. This painfully obvious American war of aggression against the citizens of Upper Canada also tempered the expansionist dreams of leaders of the day, and has helped solidify nearly two centuries of peace.
oneofthefew82 2 years ago
rctsos - What the hell are you smoking - I want some too!
bluebelly07 2 years ago
And it takes a Master's degree to come to that conclusion! It's true isnt it, the Yanks really are as thick as shit.
Long live Canada, long live the UK, long live the Monarchy, long live the Commonwealth!
JasperLee23 2 years ago 18
@JasperLee23 The Fuck are you talking about jackass.
TheIceman567 1 year ago
@TheIceman567 So when that other yank starts telling the world about her Master's Degree and trying to change in her mind what actually happened....well actually I hear that you Americans make up history as you go along, just like the two world wars....need I say more?
JasperLee23 1 year ago
@JasperLee23 We don't make it up? How the Hell can you make up history? Look at South Africa's history.
TheIceman567 1 year ago
@TheIceman567 IrishOK72 speaks shit....
JasperLee23 1 year ago
@JasperLee23 How many times have you ever been to America?
TheIceman567 1 year ago
@TheIceman567 Well firstly Im not British or Canadian. Im a white South Afrcan. Secondly, yes, I visited the US in May 2006 and was not impressed...Harlem, like the rest of New York is a shit hole. New Jersey is worse than Soweto! And Atlanta is a hovel...And apparently USA is the wealthiest country in the world?! Looked like it too.......I would'nt go again put it that way.
JasperLee23 1 year ago
@JasperLee23 Yeah because you went to the east coast you fool you always go to the West I'm from NY and i never tell no one to go to New York. I support the White in South Africa at the hands of the ANC and the White's in Zimbabwe but then i see people like you and ask why?
TheIceman567 1 year ago
@JasperLee23 Nah, Long live Canada, Long Live the UK, Fuck the monarchy & fuck the commonwealth (if there even is one anymore...) We're Canadian, Canadian. & we'll never be British ever again. It's the stupidest thing in the world having a foreign queen. Makes absolutely no sense at... all......so fucking stupid.
kidkappa04 1 year ago
@kidkappa04
You again.... You most be really dense not to understand why we're who we are after watching real history like this. Can you perhaps inform me if I can hire you to clean some ditches near my house?
Falwren 1 year ago
@Falwren Think of it more as when we won this war we were still British. hahaha ok sweetpea? hahaha
kidkappa04 1 year ago