I remember I got my first 20 rounder and got home and thought I had a fake P-Mag I literally thought a very reputable store had ripped me off. My 20 rounder so far runs great but my biggest dislike is i cant clip the dust cover on the bottom.
I agree I did the same and it kept malfunctioning with steel cases... I rather get usgi metal ones for sighting and bipod use and rely on mpags 30 for other needs from now on..
All the quality points u mention in difference are the upgrades in the gen2 pmags which are not available in 20 rnd. All 20 round mags are gen1. So u can see the difference for sure. Use the 20 for range and zeroing, 30's for business...
@fox5110 ....I used them again last week at the range sighting in. They were acting up again on me, and that's at slow fire rate.....maybe it's time for magpul to upgrade them?
@fatboyR6 I have the same 20 and 30 round mags from Magpul and I see what you are saying about the covers and the texture, mine don't fit on the floor plates either and the texture is different? Not too much of an issue especially if you decide to use a ranger plate and I don't really care about the texture too much, you can always stipple it. As far as the follower issue you have, I don't have the same issue you do but, I think the problem may be cuz the 20 round body does not have enough room
@fatboyR6 if you open up the 20 rounder the back of the follower is not near as long as a 30 rounder so, it won't have the same leveling ability as the 30 rounder. Again, not sure if a 30 round follower will fit a 20 round body cuz of the size with a full 20 rounds in it? I can check and see what happens if you'd like?
i just got mine in the mail today, i ordered 2 30rd pmags, and a 20rd. yes the texture is different but im no critic... i like the 20rd pmag it solid in the hand and it sure is gonna be good for hunting now that they have the 5 round stopper for it.but an opinion is an opinion.
Is the MagPul PTS PMag 20 (AIrsoft/PTW Version) just as bad as the normal one?
I want to equip my AIrsoft G36 with a STANAG Adapter,and the 30 Rounders look like shit in the G36...so the 20 Rounders are my choice, but only if they are good quality...sorry for asking Airsoft questions on a Real Steel Weapons video ^^
I just recieved my first Pmag20 in the mail yesterday. I think you do have a lemon or knock off because mines totally solid! I agree with the texture being different, it's more matte flat then the Pmag30. But if im not mistaken, the new Pmag30 is able to clamp the dust cover to the base plate. The older first gen Pmag30 didn't have the dust cover storage floor plate. Also, the Pmag20, is still in first gen. I read somewhere that Magpul wasn't going to change or update the Pmag20 at this time. M
I cannot find 20 rd pmags mags anywhere!!! I use 20 round steel GI when I hog hunt because I use a scope and stay low. Mail them to me if you fukn hate them lol
The 20 round followers have to tilt. The taper of the 5.56 case is handled by the curve of a 30 round magazine. The 20 round magazines don't have the curve that the 30 round magazines do, so to handle the taper of the case the follower has to tilt.
You're an idiot. The 30 rounder is an MREV and the molds were changed as well as the overall texture of the mag. The straight magazine doesn't allow for an anti-tilt follower the way the 30 rounder does. Notice how it sprung right back after you stopped pushing on it. As for the covers not attaching to the baseplate, they aren't necessary for anything other than to keep debris out of the mag as feedlip creep isn't an issue with the PMAG. As previously stated, you're an idiot.
Thanks for the reviews dude. I wish I had watched this before buying one. I'm LE and I only bought it to be able to wear it on my duty belt (for SHTF purposes) other than that I guess the quality wouldnt differ much from a conventional 20 rder after watching this.
I bought a 20 in FDE that will NOT keep the feed lip protector on fully loaded. My friend has one in black that has this same problem. After I tried the other 5 protectors I had from 30's I had, ONE of them stays locked.
Wow, the poor quality of the p-mag20 is obvious here in this video. Im shocked by this. Ive been buying P-mag30s because of all the good reviews about them, and they do seem durable, but i have not used them yet.
But I hold on to my old USGI alum. mags. I am upgrading them with magpul improvement kits.
If you have an older pmag you will probably have the same issue" that the 20 round magazine has. They probably have not updated the design or this particular mag is an old design.
@808Arsenal ....me either, so I figured I would make the video to see what the deal was. So the 20's are the old gen 1 style and my 30's are the new gen 3 style with the gray followers. The 20's have the old black followers in them.
@fatboyR6 aha....wow, i guess there was a huge difference between gen 1 and gen 3 eh? I've only got the gen 3's myself. I guess it just shows how much magpul has stepped up their game over the years. Makes me respect the company even more now, knowing that they did not stop improvements until they had a completely solid and bulletproof design at a good price.
My 20 rounders are the same way. Occasionally the last round wont lock the bolt back. Keep in mind though your comparing the 1st gen 20 rounder with the latest REV M 30 rounders, so there are bound to be some differences.
@NIKON777 ... Thanks for the info. I guess o was spoiled by the gen 3 mags. They are much better. Plus the 20's don't have the fit and finish as the 30's. Lots of injection marks and sharp edges from them. I filed them smooth.
They let you have brand new 30 round mags but you need a bullet button to take them out. Makes zero sense. In my state we don't have the button and can only have mags that were made pre 94.
@fatboyR6 In my state unless I have a receiver made before 94 I have to pin and weld a muzzle brake instead of flash hider and pin the stock so it doesn't go in. Stupid laws.
@glocklife ...that reminds me of something I forgot to say in video. The followers in the 20's are all black, and my 30's are the gray color. All my different color 30's have gray followers? I didnt show the ugly injection mold blimishes on the 20's too.
@fatboyR6 naw man...all .. ALL mine are the first gens. I can live without the worry of "did I lose the dust cover I hung under the mag I used as an impact tool on the ground when I went prone?' seriously the main reason FOR that dust cover is long term storage, only a few of my mags EVER stay loaded long term.
@80spodcastchannel ....cool. So I didn't get ripped off. My mags don't stay loaded long either. LOL. I don't use these for anything but target practice, so they don't really see action like my 30's do.
GI spec mags with the orange followers. but their my go to in extremely cold weather conditions, my standard field is with the MAGPUL's 30's, the tan 20's I have are for inside CQB, where the extra length would hang up, or for bench rest usage. some tools are for some jobs..and then there's MAGPUL...some tools are good for all uses.
@80spodcastchannel In my state I can't have the new ones, only stuff made before 1994. Do you have any pre 94 dated mags or 20 or 30 rounders that are undated? Some times they date them inside.
I know it is a pain in the ass, but you need to contact MagPul asap. I know for a fact that this is not the product they want to produce. Let me know if your results with them are not favorable, I have some contacts there.
@lambdog76 ...thanks dude. I guess since I opened my mouth I should see this through to the end. But what is my complaint? That I think the mags suck? One doesnt lock the bolt all the time, but I dont know which one it is.
It's just so cheapo compared to the 30's, so I figured I would let people know.
@fatboyR6 I'm sure it would help them if you expressed your concern about the feel, the last round not holding open, and the poor bullet retention (which could easily translate to feed issues during loading). That the lip covers do not have reliefs on the bottom could be a problem with the mold vendor. They can't just fart out the 20 as a cut down 30 as the 20 round app is for precision shooting, so they shouldn't be cut any slack.
They look like the older model ones, The new 30 rounders have lower profile waffling and the dust cover retainer on the bottom and the older 30 rounders dont have the clip retainer and the that notch is also on my older 30 round mags. Not sure if they have released a new 20 rounder but thats def an older designed Pmag. Im going to ask my guy tomorrow if they make the newer version in 20.
i love the 20 rounders. send me yours if you dont like them.
droidjunkie 1 month ago
They make better ones now....u got the 1st gen.
MegaJacklinks 1 month ago
The 20rd mags you have are the first generation while your 30rd mags are the 2nd.
semperfi0202 2 months ago
I remember I got my first 20 rounder and got home and thought I had a fake P-Mag I literally thought a very reputable store had ripped me off. My 20 rounder so far runs great but my biggest dislike is i cant clip the dust cover on the bottom.
snowboarddude117 2 months ago
i have a spikes tact too!
friskyxbadger 4 months ago
@SKRIBBLE4ME ...thanks bro.
fatboyR6 5 months ago
I agree I did the same and it kept malfunctioning with steel cases... I rather get usgi metal ones for sighting and bipod use and rely on mpags 30 for other needs from now on..
fox5110 8 months ago
@fox5110 ...I got some C Products 20 rounders with anti-tilt followers. I love um. Much better.
fatboyR6 5 months ago
All the quality points u mention in difference are the upgrades in the gen2 pmags which are not available in 20 rnd. All 20 round mags are gen1. So u can see the difference for sure. Use the 20 for range and zeroing, 30's for business...
fox5110 8 months ago
@fox5110 ....I used them again last week at the range sighting in. They were acting up again on me, and that's at slow fire rate.....maybe it's time for magpul to upgrade them?
fatboyR6 8 months ago
@fatboyR6 I have the same 20 and 30 round mags from Magpul and I see what you are saying about the covers and the texture, mine don't fit on the floor plates either and the texture is different? Not too much of an issue especially if you decide to use a ranger plate and I don't really care about the texture too much, you can always stipple it. As far as the follower issue you have, I don't have the same issue you do but, I think the problem may be cuz the 20 round body does not have enough room
eddiejr74 8 months ago
@fatboyR6 if you open up the 20 rounder the back of the follower is not near as long as a 30 rounder so, it won't have the same leveling ability as the 30 rounder. Again, not sure if a 30 round follower will fit a 20 round body cuz of the size with a full 20 rounds in it? I can check and see what happens if you'd like?
eddiejr74 8 months ago
i just got mine in the mail today, i ordered 2 30rd pmags, and a 20rd. yes the texture is different but im no critic... i like the 20rd pmag it solid in the hand and it sure is gonna be good for hunting now that they have the 5 round stopper for it.but an opinion is an opinion.
Flammin1000 10 months ago
Is the MagPul PTS PMag 20 (AIrsoft/PTW Version) just as bad as the normal one?
I want to equip my AIrsoft G36 with a STANAG Adapter,and the 30 Rounders look like shit in the G36...so the 20 Rounders are my choice, but only if they are good quality...sorry for asking Airsoft questions on a Real Steel Weapons video ^^
andromedarr 1 year ago
@andromedarr ...I know nothing about airsoft
fatboyR6 11 months ago 4
they do seem cheaper but i've never had a problem with them...guess thats what counts right?
kab4485 1 year ago
@kab4485 ....as long as they function when it counts...I have 2 and 1 is good and the other sucks, so luck of the draw I guess...LOL
fatboyR6 11 months ago
I actually just put 2 rounds in it and pushed from the tips and it flew out just like yours did.
zk360 1 year ago
@zk360 ....thanks for the comment. I mostly get "experts" telling me how lame I am...LOL
fatboyR6 1 year ago
@fatboyR6 LOL! I know what you mean.
zk360 1 year ago
I just recieved my first Pmag20 in the mail yesterday. I think you do have a lemon or knock off because mines totally solid! I agree with the texture being different, it's more matte flat then the Pmag30. But if im not mistaken, the new Pmag30 is able to clamp the dust cover to the base plate. The older first gen Pmag30 didn't have the dust cover storage floor plate. Also, the Pmag20, is still in first gen. I read somewhere that Magpul wasn't going to change or update the Pmag20 at this time. M
zk360 1 year ago
You repeated the same sentence 28 times, you whiner
Vergon3256 1 year ago
I cannot find 20 rd pmags mags anywhere!!! I use 20 round steel GI when I hog hunt because I use a scope and stay low. Mail them to me if you fukn hate them lol
Derail07 1 year ago
The 20 round followers have to tilt. The taper of the 5.56 case is handled by the curve of a 30 round magazine. The 20 round magazines don't have the curve that the 30 round magazines do, so to handle the taper of the case the follower has to tilt.
rosebudteg 1 year ago
Fuck China!
Don't feel bad to talk about those shady crooks
jubinizzle 1 year ago
You're an idiot. The 30 rounder is an MREV and the molds were changed as well as the overall texture of the mag. The straight magazine doesn't allow for an anti-tilt follower the way the 30 rounder does. Notice how it sprung right back after you stopped pushing on it. As for the covers not attaching to the baseplate, they aren't necessary for anything other than to keep debris out of the mag as feedlip creep isn't an issue with the PMAG. As previously stated, you're an idiot.
MrBiscuitsbrown 1 year ago
@MrBiscuitsbrown ....Im ignorant not an idiot. There is a difference. Look at the title. It's in a question form. Thanks for your explanation.
fatboyR6 1 year ago 2
Thanks for the reviews dude. I wish I had watched this before buying one. I'm LE and I only bought it to be able to wear it on my duty belt (for SHTF purposes) other than that I guess the quality wouldnt differ much from a conventional 20 rder after watching this.
irondotrod 1 year ago
@irondotrod ...they are decent mags, and basically look cool. Other than that they dont come close to the gen III 30 rounders.
fatboyR6 1 year ago
I bought a 20 in FDE that will NOT keep the feed lip protector on fully loaded. My friend has one in black that has this same problem. After I tried the other 5 protectors I had from 30's I had, ONE of them stays locked.
verticallyblessed 1 year ago
- The P20 does not have the P30's 'm-rev' updates, including the more aggressive surface texture
- Polymer in the P20 is the same as the P30
- No straight-bodied mag can have an anti-tilt follower because you are putting a tapered cartridge stack into a straight tube
- Even if you added the new floorplate you could not mount the Impact Cover to the bottom due to its angle (required by the straight body)
- Don't know why the bolt is not locking back- contact us for a replacement
Magpul Ind.
PMAG556x45 1 year ago
WTF ?
Wow, the poor quality of the p-mag20 is obvious here in this video. Im shocked by this. Ive been buying P-mag30s because of all the good reviews about them, and they do seem durable, but i have not used them yet.
But I hold on to my old USGI alum. mags. I am upgrading them with magpul improvement kits.
The improvement kits for the GI mags are great.
rllang01 1 year ago
magpul updated the 20 it doesnt have tilt, and the reason the floorplate is different is that the follower is different
TacticalSerenity17 1 year ago
Ya know, I don't think you have enough AR's. Lol
trumpetdood 1 year ago
@trumpetdood ....one I bought and one I built. Now its all about more uppers and more uppers!!!!
fatboyR6 1 year ago
@fatboyR6 This is why I need a job.
trumpetdood 1 year ago
good vid man good points you made....
lmglocks 1 year ago
damn those rounds just flew out... POS!!!!
eldogg4life 1 year ago
If you have an older pmag you will probably have the same issue" that the 20 round magazine has. They probably have not updated the design or this particular mag is an old design.
blan101 1 year ago
Thanks for the info
animefeak 1 year ago
good to know. I had no idea they were different
808Arsenal 1 year ago
@808Arsenal ....me either, so I figured I would make the video to see what the deal was. So the 20's are the old gen 1 style and my 30's are the new gen 3 style with the gray followers. The 20's have the old black followers in them.
fatboyR6 1 year ago
@fatboyR6 aha....wow, i guess there was a huge difference between gen 1 and gen 3 eh? I've only got the gen 3's myself. I guess it just shows how much magpul has stepped up their game over the years. Makes me respect the company even more now, knowing that they did not stop improvements until they had a completely solid and bulletproof design at a good price.
808Arsenal 1 year ago
Hmmm. The 20rnd is not a gem.
ammosmith 1 year ago
My 20 rounders are the same way. Occasionally the last round wont lock the bolt back. Keep in mind though your comparing the 1st gen 20 rounder with the latest REV M 30 rounders, so there are bound to be some differences.
NIKON777 1 year ago
@NIKON777 ... Thanks for the info. I guess o was spoiled by the gen 3 mags. They are much better. Plus the 20's don't have the fit and finish as the 30's. Lots of injection marks and sharp edges from them. I filed them smooth.
fatboyR6 1 year ago
Cool video!
hakjason 1 year ago
@hakjason ....thanks dude
fatboyR6 1 year ago
They let you have brand new 30 round mags but you need a bullet button to take them out. Makes zero sense. In my state we don't have the button and can only have mags that were made pre 94.
semiautoriflelover 1 year ago
@semiautoriflelover ....gun laws are so crazy. Hard to keep track of the madness!!!!
fatboyR6 1 year ago
@fatboyR6 In my state unless I have a receiver made before 94 I have to pin and weld a muzzle brake instead of flash hider and pin the stock so it doesn't go in. Stupid laws.
semiautoriflelover 1 year ago
actually check out these mags dude.
cheaperthandirt(DOT)comMAG052-36.html
SocomElite187 1 year ago
@SocomElite187 ...I've looked at those. They have some pretty bad reviews so I stayed away.
fatboyR6 1 year ago
Just get metal army surplus mags, there ugly , but it works.
Sick A-R by the way.
SocomElite187 1 year ago
you got some made in china shit yo
lynette1953 1 year ago
@lynette1953 LOLZ
fatboyR6 1 year ago
change the follower. you can get the green followers cheep. they look like older gen.
glocklife 1 year ago
@glocklife ...that reminds me of something I forgot to say in video. The followers in the 20's are all black, and my 30's are the gray color. All my different color 30's have gray followers? I didnt show the ugly injection mold blimishes on the 20's too.
fatboyR6 1 year ago
that's the first gen 20's the latest ones have the lip protector/dust cover storage cutouts on the underside...wanna get rid of them?
PM me
Seeya
Dude
80spodcastchannel 1 year ago
@80spodcastchannel ... I got ripped off then. That sucks.
fatboyR6 1 year ago
@fatboyR6 naw man...all .. ALL mine are the first gens. I can live without the worry of "did I lose the dust cover I hung under the mag I used as an impact tool on the ground when I went prone?' seriously the main reason FOR that dust cover is long term storage, only a few of my mags EVER stay loaded long term.
ROTATE your gear...
seeya
Dude
80spodcastchannel 1 year ago
@80spodcastchannel ....cool. So I didn't get ripped off. My mags don't stay loaded long either. LOL. I don't use these for anything but target practice, so they don't really see action like my 30's do.
fatboyR6 1 year ago
@fatboyR6 not really, you just got old stock.
NIKON777 1 year ago
@80spodcastchannel I never had a jam with Colt or Adventureline 20 round GI mags. The followers are great with those.
semiautoriflelover 1 year ago
@semiautoriflelover Ahh I'm sitting on a heap of NEW C products
GI spec mags with the orange followers. but their my go to in extremely cold weather conditions, my standard field is with the MAGPUL's 30's, the tan 20's I have are for inside CQB, where the extra length would hang up, or for bench rest usage. some tools are for some jobs..and then there's MAGPUL...some tools are good for all uses.
Seeya
Dude
80spodcastchannel 1 year ago
@80spodcastchannel In my state I can't have the new ones, only stuff made before 1994. Do you have any pre 94 dated mags or 20 or 30 rounders that are undated? Some times they date them inside.
semiautoriflelover 1 year ago
@semiautoriflelover dude pm me ..maybe we can figure something out for you..
in the PM tell me what state though I am curious who doe s "DATE THING"
seeya brother
Dude
80spodcastchannel 1 year ago
I know it is a pain in the ass, but you need to contact MagPul asap. I know for a fact that this is not the product they want to produce. Let me know if your results with them are not favorable, I have some contacts there.
lambdog76 1 year ago
@lambdog76 ...thanks dude. I guess since I opened my mouth I should see this through to the end. But what is my complaint? That I think the mags suck? One doesnt lock the bolt all the time, but I dont know which one it is.
It's just so cheapo compared to the 30's, so I figured I would let people know.
fatboyR6 1 year ago
@fatboyR6 I'm sure it would help them if you expressed your concern about the feel, the last round not holding open, and the poor bullet retention (which could easily translate to feed issues during loading). That the lip covers do not have reliefs on the bottom could be a problem with the mold vendor. They can't just fart out the 20 as a cut down 30 as the 20 round app is for precision shooting, so they shouldn't be cut any slack.
lambdog76 1 year ago
I'll trade you a colt 20 rounder for your soul.. lol jk
PBandHoneySammich 1 year ago
@PBandHoneySammich ...LMAO!!!!
fatboyR6 1 year ago
They look like the older model ones, The new 30 rounders have lower profile waffling and the dust cover retainer on the bottom and the older 30 rounders dont have the clip retainer and the that notch is also on my older 30 round mags. Not sure if they have released a new 20 rounder but thats def an older designed Pmag. Im going to ask my guy tomorrow if they make the newer version in 20.
marcelloviscardi 1 year ago
@marcelloviscardi .....I just bought these mags a month ago. They came with the covers, so I figured they are the new version?
fatboyR6 1 year ago
@fatboyR6 As the later comments says, first gen mags.
marcelloviscardi 1 year ago
4 letters.. USGI
cromer77 1 year ago
Shoot it!!!
lookin4memarbles 1 year ago
Interesting... thanks for the vid.
jeffshootsstuff 1 year ago
i dont care for plastic mags
FirearmsARTechnition 1 year ago