Rob...very good kata! Though through my GoJu lineage, there are some VERY slight variations in the performance, the bunkai remains the same. Which is one of the things that makes this one of my favorite kata. Excellent dance, karate-ka! Oss!
Yes, I've seen many variations of this kata. It comes down to each individual lineage. I tend to follow the Jundokan lineage. My teacher is Tokumura Kensho of Okinawa, who trained under Eiichi Miyazato, who was over the Jundokan after Miyagi Chojun. But I also focus more on the principles of the kata more so than the exact techniques. This keeps my mind open to continue to learn from the kata no matter how many time I do the kata.
I think it is very well done, but it is a little different from what we learn in Denmark. For instance there is not a kiai at 0:42 in our dojo, and some of the movements are a little different. Nice to see some variations of this kata. Im only a 3. kyu, so no judging from me, just a humble observation..
BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
Hey Rob, i posted a video response on my channel, i tried posting it in the comments section but it wouldnt let me :(. thought it might articulate my point a little better :) again, i wanna reiterate that ur karate is of a fantastic standard, these are merely my observations from my point of view. i hope they are received in a positive manner :)
Rob, your Kata is superbly executed, that is the whole point about Go/Ju. The hard and the soft are perfectly balanced in this Kata. Ju is the power link that enables the power of the technique (Go) Kudos for great technical achievement
@chimibert Very nice execution. I am currently a 2nd Dan in goju ryu. The school I was attending is now closed. My question is do you have other katas on video?I still like to train, but there is no school anywhere close enough to attend. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
@jstallings342 The only kata I have on video right now are the Isshinryu kata you can find on my Youtube channel. these were just thrown together one afternoon with a cheap camera and a tripod :). I plan to have professional quality videos created in the near future. The videos will include all Isshinryu basics, kata, bunkai, principles of kumite, Tokushin Kobudo, along with physical conditioning for martial artists as I have a professional background in fitness and sports conditioning.
@chago6962 I was taught Goju Ryu Seiunchin by Tokumura Kensho Sensei of Okinawa. His teacher was Miyazato Eiichi Sensei. That's about as Goju Ryu as you get. Besides, I didn't put these videos on Youtube to teach anyone. I put them on here to share. I just find it humorous when people nitpick technicalities of a performance, when what is important is whether or not the practiitioner understands the principles taught in the kata. Kata is much more than the uraken and kiai.
Beautifully done, I studied under Sherwood Ashworth who learned from Ei'ichi Miyazato for 22 years in Okinawa and you performed it flawlessly from what I can tell. So don't worry about anyone saying your form is bad. It is exactly as Miyazato senesei whould have taught. I'm proud to meet someone else from the same "background" as me. Good job and thank you for the post.
@ramonyrita That is in fact, the Miyagi Kata par excellence. You´re right. Also the famous blocks of wax in wax off and the fence painting are so different from other kara- te styles. Those are mawashi uke and koke uke from Goju.
I train in goju too. I have noticed that people from other clubs have their own verson of kata, which is good within certain parameters. And even within our club a kata can be slightly varied from person to person. Most videos from other clubs i've seen on youtube i find rather bizarre but i think this vid is good, and is slightly varied from the club i train at. We have two kiais same as ztrigwell in the uppercut strikes.
@popaulki Why insult me because of my nationality? I did not create an account on YT to bicker and fight with people about who is better or knows more. I am only here to share and learn with anyone, no matter who they are or from what country they live. I enjoy learning the different ways people train and approach their martial arts.
very good. The way i learned from sensie chinen in Spokane, Wa, was a little bit different. the elbow should blocked up when u double block, not straight down or forward. but over u did pretty good.
Very good kata! It always amazes me that people get on here and give criticism about kata. As if to say your way is wrong and their way is the only way. I have studied Isshin-ryu from three different instructors that were direct students of Shimabuku Sensei and each one of them does the same kata different. I fully agree that it is not the "literal" movements but it is the principals with in the kata. Again this was a very solid kata! Great Job!
I practice it the way it was taught to me by Tokumura Kensho Sensei of Okinawa. His teacher was Miyazato Eiichi, who was left in charge of the Jundokan Dojo after Miyagi Chojun Sensei. However, I know there are several different branches of Gojuryu. What's more important than the literal movements is an understanding of the principles within the kata and the ability to apply them in combat and in life.
@isshinrob agreed. there are one hundred and one different ways to execute a kata and their movements. i noticed that the first time i went to a Goju tournament with the amount variations on saifa. it was very interesting to see
I think your form is beautiful, I wouldn't listen to what people say. I think Kata is a very personal thing and that having kata competitions etc take away the point of martial arts.
I want to compliment you on a good kata, especially from somebody that's not a Goju practioner. I was quite impressed how well your kata compared to what we are taught. There was one or two differences and I hope I can give you some honest advise, as I do study original Okinawan Goju-Ruy as ascribed by Higaonna Mario Sensei. Better yet, I am more than willing to share my kata with you via video, although I don't know what's the best way of sharing it with you. Keep watching this space...
all in all i think the kata was awesome :) My only criticism is that i think ur hand movement were a little too big for a goju kata, that being said(and that is a very minor flaw which is easilly corrected), footwork was very solid and the kata as a whole was very well executed. :)
@rattus2025 Thanks for the input. Please give a specific example where you believe the hand movements to be too big. If you have a video to reference, that would be even better. I am not originally a Goju-ka, however my teacher was one of only 3 to get a perfect score in front of the Japanese Karate Board, and his teacher was Miazato Eiichi, who was a student of Miyagi Chogen. I am curious as to whether it is a lineage difference or if there is actually something ineffective in my movement. thax
@isshinrob sorry for the misspellings..."Eiichi Miyazato and Chojun Miyagi". One thing I have in commen with the Okinawans is I like a good beer. But not a good idea to post after having a few... :)
@isshinrob as far as i kno(please do not take my word as gospel as i am far from being a dan ranking) between 00:17 and 00:19, the elbows should not move from where they are, between 00:15 and 00:17 the hands are too far away from the body(the fists should almost be touching the torso on ur downward movement)
as i said in my previous post, these are quite minor discepencies. i put it down to simply a different interpretation of the kata.
@popaulki Why so angry and full of hate? We don't know each other. I have respect for all martial artists and styles, no matter what their lineage. The only reason I even brought lineage up is because I like to compare differences. One is not necessarily better than the other. What works for one may not work for someone else.
All in all an excellent kata. This is my favourate Goju Kata. I too blieve that the hand movements were too large.In the first 3 moves the hands should only move slightly from the elbow joint. Not to criticise as like i said, it was an excellent Kata but another pointer is the elbow strikes. There should be more of the buttocks pushed backwards While the elbow moves forwards. The Bunkai for these moves illustrates a grapple break and not a strike.
@conca121212 If you are referring to the hard audible noise that many Isshinryu practitioners do, then you're right. I don't do that anymore. I was taught proper breathing technique by Tokumura Kensho Sensei, first generation student of Shimabuku Tatsuo and Eiichi Miyazato. Proper breathing is about timing the breath with movement and balanced with muscle contraction. The "noisy" breathing is unnecessary and even counterproductive.
I used to do it that way too, until I was corrected .
@isshinrob i said that because at the beginning of the kata we do it fast with breathing and then slowly..like we upper our hands fast with breathing and then slowly lower them down and continuing so.. but i must say i liked the way you did it.. its just different..
@isshinrob Good Answer, although the use of the Sound in breathing was mostly as a Teaching Tool for the students to make conscious effort in proper breathing. As the students progressed and learned to breath and put the stances together, then grew into putting the hands techniques together with the rest, the Kata was complete: Breathing, Stances, Blocks, and Strikes all in Unison and the loud breathing gradually ceased.
@conca121212 The use of the Sound in breathing was mostly as a Teaching Tool for the students to make conscious effort in proper breathing. As the students progressed and learned to breath and put the stances together, then grew into putting the hands techniques together with the rest, the Kata was complete: Breathing, Stances, Blocks, and Strikes all in Unison and the loud breathing gradually ceased.
I studied Goju Ryu for 11 years under Sensai Herbert Duke Allen. Seiunchin was always my favorite of all the katas. This is a fantastic rendition of a beautiful and powerful form. Good job man!
This so far is the only video that gives Seiunchin Justice :p I have to thank you for posting this. I would have never been able to memorize this... within the month at my Dojo :)
Very nicely done. Great focus, power, form, technique and speed. I'm an Isshin-ryu practitioner and enjoy very much to see the different variations of the Katas. Thank you for posting.
The alterations aren't that great, and with the wasted motion removal, as I would see it, though there is probably use a GojuRyu practicioner could find, I think that is what most of the change was.
The only thing I don't get is turning 90/180/180 instead of 45/90
Isshinryu. I mean in Shimabukus time he didnt go for lessons once a week and not drill it till the next time. In an era when you practiced a kata for a year till you learned a new one.
but i dont think that the length of time he trained with Miyagi or the severity of the training that he would forget the kata for he must of thought it very worthy to include it in his system. Out of respect for Tatsuo Shimabuku i dont think he would just create a half hearted system with a kata he didnt even remember anything about
Shimabuku was in Agena. He learned Goju from Miyagi in Naha. The distance he had to travel was so far that his actual training time with Miyagi was sometimes long between. My source is a 1st generation Okinawan student of Shimabuku. He personally told me he believed the changes in Isshinryu's Seiunchin were due to Shimabuku forgeting the kata. He followed this with saying, "Sensei was not perfect, I am not perfect, no one is perfect. I believe he forgot.". Believe what you are comfortable with.
At the time that Shimabuku trained with Miyagi, he, like the other students, would be taught only Sanchin to start and then one other kata, which would be determined by Miyagi. In Shimabuku's case that would be Seiunchin. It's unlikely that he would not know the embusen of the Goju kata, but rather made the changes in light of his determination to build his own style. He had made changes in the Shorin kata learned from Kyan. Note the changes in Wansu from Wanshu.
Interview excerpt from last interview with Miyazato Eiichi - Senior student of Miyagi Chojun: "Most of the students before the war have died, quit karate, or were killed
during the war in Okinawa. In 1953 when Miyagi Chojun died, all senior students
held meetings to decide what to do about the future of Goju-Ryu karate. Many of
the seniors stopped practicing for a long period of time and did not want to
become involved. A lot of them forgot the katas or was never taught all of
I have been in martial arts for 35 years, I have studied in Okinawa for 8 of those years and have never heard anyone say Shimabuku forgot parts of seuinchin. Seeing he lived on Okinawa and was in constant contact with martial artists that if he forgot he would have the resources to find out what he forgot
Excellent! The mirror behind you is especially helpful, because it gives a simultaneous rear view of the kata. A very useful contribution: many thanks.
Nice stances and good gedan barais
janamswag 2 weeks ago
até a metade do kata foi bem, depois atropelou a execução. De forma geral foi bom, mas tem que melhorar...........
altemarsabino 3 weeks ago
Rob...very good kata! Though through my GoJu lineage, there are some VERY slight variations in the performance, the bunkai remains the same. Which is one of the things that makes this one of my favorite kata. Excellent dance, karate-ka! Oss!
jameseckstein1 1 month ago
u forgot 2 kia's
ikke3wie3anders3 2 months ago
@ikke3wie3anders3 HaiYaa, HaiYYYA!!! ...There ya go. :)
isshinrob 2 months ago 7
@ikke3wie3anders3 Any other critique to isshinrob's kata besides kiais???!!!!
SuperWipiti 2 weeks ago
@SuperWipiti Yes when doing the uraken to the front don't leave the fist so forward after executing.
chago6962 2 weeks ago
Yes, I've seen many variations of this kata. It comes down to each individual lineage. I tend to follow the Jundokan lineage. My teacher is Tokumura Kensho of Okinawa, who trained under Eiichi Miyazato, who was over the Jundokan after Miyagi Chojun. But I also focus more on the principles of the kata more so than the exact techniques. This keeps my mind open to continue to learn from the kata no matter how many time I do the kata.
isshinrob 3 months ago
I think it is very well done, but it is a little different from what we learn in Denmark. For instance there is not a kiai at 0:42 in our dojo, and some of the movements are a little different. Nice to see some variations of this kata. Im only a 3. kyu, so no judging from me, just a humble observation..
brandurell 3 months ago
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BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
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TheWolfjr 3 months ago
le falta respirar mas fuerte, pero lo a hecho bien
CODweapon95COD 3 months ago
oh hey cool this is the form in the karate kid . The third one i think
Bluerocka145 3 months ago
Very nice, beautiful execution!
LynchGFX 3 months ago
Hey Rob, i posted a video response on my channel, i tried posting it in the comments section but it wouldnt let me :(. thought it might articulate my point a little better :) again, i wanna reiterate that ur karate is of a fantastic standard, these are merely my observations from my point of view. i hope they are received in a positive manner :)
rattus2025 3 months ago
Rob, your Kata is superbly executed, that is the whole point about Go/Ju. The hard and the soft are perfectly balanced in this Kata. Ju is the power link that enables the power of the technique (Go) Kudos for great technical achievement
chimibert 5 months ago
@chimibert Thank you for the kind words.
isshinrob 5 months ago
@chimibert Very nice execution. I am currently a 2nd Dan in goju ryu. The school I was attending is now closed. My question is do you have other katas on video?I still like to train, but there is no school anywhere close enough to attend. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
jstallings342 4 months ago
@jstallings342 The only kata I have on video right now are the Isshinryu kata you can find on my Youtube channel. these were just thrown together one afternoon with a cheap camera and a tripod :). I plan to have professional quality videos created in the near future. The videos will include all Isshinryu basics, kata, bunkai, principles of kumite, Tokushin Kobudo, along with physical conditioning for martial artists as I have a professional background in fitness and sports conditioning.
isshinrob 4 months ago
@isshinrob
I must remind you that seiuchin kata is originally from the goju ryu style, which is previous style to the ishinryu
chago6962 2 weeks ago
@jstallings342 Offer yourself to teach what you know
chago6962 2 weeks ago
@chago6962 I was taught Goju Ryu Seiunchin by Tokumura Kensho Sensei of Okinawa. His teacher was Miyazato Eiichi Sensei. That's about as Goju Ryu as you get. Besides, I didn't put these videos on Youtube to teach anyone. I put them on here to share. I just find it humorous when people nitpick technicalities of a performance, when what is important is whether or not the practiitioner understands the principles taught in the kata. Kata is much more than the uraken and kiai.
isshinrob 2 weeks ago
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@isshinrob
Im sorry if i hurt your feelings, i read that someone ask
"Any other critique to isshinrob's kata besides kiais???!!"
and though it was you, Overall the kata is welldone i mean for an
Ishinryu practitioner
chago6962 2 weeks ago
If you like to crosstrain Karatestyles, you should try Shito-Ryu :)
A nice blend between the hard, linear and fast way of Shuri-te, and the soft, circular og powerful way of Naha-te :)
... and we have close to 60 kata in our system, so the challenge is definately there xD
Ruben1994OL 5 months ago
great work, love the pace!
ultimAvalon 5 months ago
Beautifully done, I studied under Sherwood Ashworth who learned from Ei'ichi Miyazato for 22 years in Okinawa and you performed it flawlessly from what I can tell. So don't worry about anyone saying your form is bad. It is exactly as Miyazato senesei whould have taught. I'm proud to meet someone else from the same "background" as me. Good job and thank you for the post.
bymi1234 6 months ago
Nice and Clean! Keep it up man!
aituarov 6 months ago
this looks like the kata that comes out in Karate Kid 3
ramonyrita 6 months ago
@ramonyrita That is in fact, the Miyagi Kata par excellence. You´re right. Also the famous blocks of wax in wax off and the fence painting are so different from other kara- te styles. Those are mawashi uke and koke uke from Goju.
chimibert 5 months ago
Nice kata well executed
wongpongwooey 6 months ago
so many unessecary movements, i guess that is gkr for ya, crap.
CourtHart89 7 months ago
I do this kata slightly different but it still looks good
TheYsDsY 7 months ago
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I train in goju too. I have noticed that people from other clubs have their own verson of kata, which is good within certain parameters. And even within our club a kata can be slightly varied from person to person. Most videos from other clubs i've seen on youtube i find rather bizarre but i think this vid is good, and is slightly varied from the club i train at. We have two kiais same as ztrigwell in the uppercut strikes.
andrewrossburgess 8 months ago
Hey nice vid, its similar to how we do it but the kiai's are at 1:04 and 1:12 on the uppercut. what dan are you?
ztrigwell 8 months ago
terrivel !!!
lucaskaratedo 9 months ago
@TheXhodocto Thank you for the compliment. I am currently ranked as Go-dan in Isshinryu Karate.
isshinrob 9 months ago
o ic now ... didnt see your "US" flag that's explain what makes u .
popaulki 10 months ago
@popaulki Why insult me because of my nationality? I did not create an account on YT to bicker and fight with people about who is better or knows more. I am only here to share and learn with anyone, no matter who they are or from what country they live. I enjoy learning the different ways people train and approach their martial arts.
isshinrob 10 months ago 11
@isshinrob i do taekwondo and aikido i want to do karate but all the schools in my area are mcdojos i live in silver spring md can you help
xxxN1nJa5k1LZxxx 7 months ago
@popaulki WTF??
chimibert 5 months ago
Have studied Goju for 35 years,this looks good to me.
paulbrooks2539 10 months ago
Nicely done. A great example of focusing of hard and soft.
binxis2cute 10 months ago
very good. The way i learned from sensie chinen in Spokane, Wa, was a little bit different. the elbow should blocked up when u double block, not straight down or forward. but over u did pretty good.
rocky31peb 11 months ago
@rocky31peb Thank you for the comment! Please be more specific about the double block. Where in the kata are you referring?
isshinrob 11 months ago
@rocky31peb Double block ?
63dmcooke 10 months ago
Very good kata! It always amazes me that people get on here and give criticism about kata. As if to say your way is wrong and their way is the only way. I have studied Isshin-ryu from three different instructors that were direct students of Shimabuku Sensei and each one of them does the same kata different. I fully agree that it is not the "literal" movements but it is the principals with in the kata. Again this was a very solid kata! Great Job!
AOKACentralTexas 1 year ago
Any practicioner do that diffferent
hectorarturoazuz 1 year ago
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hectorarturoazuz 1 year ago
I practice it the way it was taught to me by Tokumura Kensho Sensei of Okinawa. His teacher was Miyazato Eiichi, who was left in charge of the Jundokan Dojo after Miyagi Chojun Sensei. However, I know there are several different branches of Gojuryu. What's more important than the literal movements is an understanding of the principles within the kata and the ability to apply them in combat and in life.
isshinrob 1 year ago 7
@isshinrob agreed. there are one hundred and one different ways to execute a kata and their movements. i noticed that the first time i went to a Goju tournament with the amount variations on saifa. it was very interesting to see
rattus2025 1 year ago
its always interesting to watch other styles do the same kata but its not the same kata. its hard to explain.
TheFrozenjay 1 year ago
I think your form is beautiful, I wouldn't listen to what people say. I think Kata is a very personal thing and that having kata competitions etc take away the point of martial arts.
Antmanvsmegaman 1 year ago
i will be watching this video for helping me practise before my first kata competition in february 2011 !!! i am nervous !
pabbapyntingar 1 year ago
Very good man!
xxtigerxx06 1 year ago
I want to compliment you on a good kata, especially from somebody that's not a Goju practioner. I was quite impressed how well your kata compared to what we are taught. There was one or two differences and I hope I can give you some honest advise, as I do study original Okinawan Goju-Ruy as ascribed by Higaonna Mario Sensei. Better yet, I am more than willing to share my kata with you via video, although I don't know what's the best way of sharing it with you. Keep watching this space...
CollinTersiaGreen 1 year ago
all in all i think the kata was awesome :) My only criticism is that i think ur hand movement were a little too big for a goju kata, that being said(and that is a very minor flaw which is easilly corrected), footwork was very solid and the kata as a whole was very well executed. :)
rattus2025 1 year ago
@rattus2025 Thanks for the input. Please give a specific example where you believe the hand movements to be too big. If you have a video to reference, that would be even better. I am not originally a Goju-ka, however my teacher was one of only 3 to get a perfect score in front of the Japanese Karate Board, and his teacher was Miazato Eiichi, who was a student of Miyagi Chogen. I am curious as to whether it is a lineage difference or if there is actually something ineffective in my movement. thax
isshinrob 1 year ago
@isshinrob sorry for the misspellings..."Eiichi Miyazato and Chojun Miyagi". One thing I have in commen with the Okinawans is I like a good beer. But not a good idea to post after having a few... :)
isshinrob 1 year ago 2
@isshinrob as far as i kno(please do not take my word as gospel as i am far from being a dan ranking) between 00:17 and 00:19, the elbows should not move from where they are, between 00:15 and 00:17 the hands are too far away from the body(the fists should almost be touching the torso on ur downward movement)
as i said in my previous post, these are quite minor discepencies. i put it down to simply a different interpretation of the kata.
rattus2025 1 year ago
@isshinrob Who cares about your teacher, doesnt matter how good he is, that's his problem
as your mind, i dont think u can get any better in your life
martial arts from the person who use, not from who teach u.
from the same apple tree, there will have good apples and BAD apples.
yeah yeah ... lineage huh?!
DUMP
popaulki 10 months ago
@popaulki Why so angry and full of hate? We don't know each other. I have respect for all martial artists and styles, no matter what their lineage. The only reason I even brought lineage up is because I like to compare differences. One is not necessarily better than the other. What works for one may not work for someone else.
isshinrob 10 months ago
All in all an excellent kata. This is my favourate Goju Kata. I too blieve that the hand movements were too large.In the first 3 moves the hands should only move slightly from the elbow joint. Not to criticise as like i said, it was an excellent Kata but another pointer is the elbow strikes. There should be more of the buttocks pushed backwards While the elbow moves forwards. The Bunkai for these moves illustrates a grapple break and not a strike.
pbryantknight 1 year ago
Wheres the breathing?...
conca121212 1 year ago
@conca121212 If you are referring to the hard audible noise that many Isshinryu practitioners do, then you're right. I don't do that anymore. I was taught proper breathing technique by Tokumura Kensho Sensei, first generation student of Shimabuku Tatsuo and Eiichi Miyazato. Proper breathing is about timing the breath with movement and balanced with muscle contraction. The "noisy" breathing is unnecessary and even counterproductive.
I used to do it that way too, until I was corrected .
isshinrob 1 year ago
@isshinrob i said that because at the beginning of the kata we do it fast with breathing and then slowly..like we upper our hands fast with breathing and then slowly lower them down and continuing so.. but i must say i liked the way you did it.. its just different..
conca121212 1 year ago
@isshinrob TOLD!
ourGKR94 1 year ago
@isshinrob Good Answer, although the use of the Sound in breathing was mostly as a Teaching Tool for the students to make conscious effort in proper breathing. As the students progressed and learned to breath and put the stances together, then grew into putting the hands techniques together with the rest, the Kata was complete: Breathing, Stances, Blocks, and Strikes all in Unison and the loud breathing gradually ceased.
franklin3321 1 year ago
@conca121212 The use of the Sound in breathing was mostly as a Teaching Tool for the students to make conscious effort in proper breathing. As the students progressed and learned to breath and put the stances together, then grew into putting the hands techniques together with the rest, the Kata was complete: Breathing, Stances, Blocks, and Strikes all in Unison and the loud breathing gradually ceased.
franklin3321 1 year ago
Whilst I enjoy all martial arts there is only one correct version of Seiunchin Kata and the Goju-Ryu version is it.
B0ph 1 year ago
I studied Goju Ryu for 11 years under Sensai Herbert Duke Allen. Seiunchin was always my favorite of all the katas. This is a fantastic rendition of a beautiful and powerful form. Good job man!
Amndmnt10 1 year ago
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GojuBob 1 year ago
woooooooow real nice man thumbs up bruh
kingstubby102 1 year ago
This so far is the only video that gives Seiunchin Justice :p I have to thank you for posting this. I would have never been able to memorize this... within the month at my Dojo :)
Naoocotzo 1 year ago
That was beautiful form! O_o
Naoocotzo 1 year ago
you look very strong!!!
TheKev1972 1 year ago
It would be good to see your Isshinryu Seiuchin as well.
MrRobHere 2 years ago
Very nicely done. Great focus, power, form, technique and speed. I'm an Isshin-ryu practitioner and enjoy very much to see the different variations of the Katas. Thank you for posting.
carlopicasso 2 years ago
The Seiuchin we do is slightly different. Im just learning it my self..
SuteUp2 2 years ago
WOW
SuteUp2 2 years ago
I am uechi but I do prefer goju version also
brasshandmartialarts 2 years ago
Lindo kata!
aquariosmaster 2 years ago
very good demo
billyaullungpiu 2 years ago
The alterations aren't that great, and with the wasted motion removal, as I would see it, though there is probably use a GojuRyu practicioner could find, I think that is what most of the change was.
The only thing I don't get is turning 90/180/180 instead of 45/90
Sasuake1000 2 years ago
I understand. - Thank you for your comments.
isshinrob 2 years ago
he made altercations to all forms hence
Isshinryu. I mean in Shimabukus time he didnt go for lessons once a week and not drill it till the next time. In an era when you practiced a kata for a year till you learned a new one.
dajeli37 2 years ago
but i dont think that the length of time he trained with Miyagi or the severity of the training that he would forget the kata for he must of thought it very worthy to include it in his system. Out of respect for Tatsuo Shimabuku i dont think he would just create a half hearted system with a kata he didnt even remember anything about
dajeli37 2 years ago
no please forgive my rudeness it was a mere obsevation. I know he was very good friend with Master Uechi maybe he also influenced him
dajeli37 2 years ago
Shimabuku was in Agena. He learned Goju from Miyagi in Naha. The distance he had to travel was so far that his actual training time with Miyagi was sometimes long between. My source is a 1st generation Okinawan student of Shimabuku. He personally told me he believed the changes in Isshinryu's Seiunchin were due to Shimabuku forgeting the kata. He followed this with saying, "Sensei was not perfect, I am not perfect, no one is perfect. I believe he forgot.". Believe what you are comfortable with.
isshinrob 2 years ago
At the time that Shimabuku trained with Miyagi, he, like the other students, would be taught only Sanchin to start and then one other kata, which would be determined by Miyagi. In Shimabuku's case that would be Seiunchin. It's unlikely that he would not know the embusen of the Goju kata, but rather made the changes in light of his determination to build his own style. He had made changes in the Shorin kata learned from Kyan. Note the changes in Wansu from Wanshu.
sanseiryu 2 years ago
Interview excerpt from last interview with Miyazato Eiichi - Senior student of Miyagi Chojun: "Most of the students before the war have died, quit karate, or were killed
during the war in Okinawa. In 1953 when Miyagi Chojun died, all senior students
held meetings to decide what to do about the future of Goju-Ryu karate. Many of
the seniors stopped practicing for a long period of time and did not want to
become involved. A lot of them forgot the katas or was never taught all of
them."
isshinrob 2 years ago
@isshinrob Care sharing the name of the first generation student you cite here? :)
nice kata!
setboy1 1 year ago
I have been in martial arts for 35 years, I have studied in Okinawa for 8 of those years and have never heard anyone say Shimabuku forgot parts of seuinchin. Seeing he lived on Okinawa and was in constant contact with martial artists that if he forgot he would have the resources to find out what he forgot
dajeli37 2 years ago
Excellent! The mirror behind you is especially helpful, because it gives a simultaneous rear view of the kata. A very useful contribution: many thanks.
GojuBob 2 years ago