Girl Soccer Player throws punch and pulls hair, opinions.

[pfdtx]

Spot on! I had the exact same thoughts myself when I saw the video. The BYU players were instigators and I don't know whether they received any punishment or not. HOWEVER, instead of punching and pulling hair, how about destroying them on the field / pitch. If you're a better player anyway, why not just outperform these cheaters. When you beat cheaters, you can scoreboard them after game.

All of the players involved make me sick, but the retaliation was certainly excessive.

[TafHunter]

Lol, i got suspended for saying my teacher was a dick on facebook...

[mastalou72]

great post English dude. I think she should get a yellow and then a red card and thats it. Refs failed here.

[designtoad]

I've played soccer for 18 years. There will always be some bumping, pulling, tusseling for position... and it can be called part of the game. What the defender did is not part of the game. She actually had much more 'cheating' caught on tape, but these were the two that most post.

I agree that taking dives or flops is cheating and should be punished (even if it has to be punished after a game via video replay).

[TheCrazyadventurer]

i agree with what you said. they didnt see the other people pulling or hitting her either because of her action afterwards. i think it should be equal punishment.

[spelunkingpenguins]

I do think it's interesting that they show 2 dirty players from the one team but they only focus on the aggressive retaliation of the other player. I would never condone hair pulling, that's just childish, and with that much force, I do beleive that does deserve a more severe punishment as it was one of two documented offences. However, I do not believe she should be banned. The other two players deserve a game suspension each and her maybe for the rest of the seadon but that's it.

[dangel365]

the BYU players didnt do anything wrong. have u played soccer before? evidently not, because soccer is a very physical sport. the BYU players didnt cross any line of physicality, the new mexico player did. once again, the league didnt suspend her, her OWN COACH did. did u watch the game? she was out of control. watch other games shes been in. to me, its an accetable call by her coach. this girl has some rage issues.

[Arkesus]

Answer me this, howcome everytime a referee does see shirt pulling or limb pulling going on, he calls for a foul? Because it's against the rules.

[dangel365]

seriously though, this girl obviously has anger issues. i understand that in the heat of the moment things can get crazy, but she went too far. if u watched the game, she had many dirty plays throughout the entire match. so obviously concludinhg shes just a dirty player. also, it was her coach that suspended her, not the league. her coach even knew she was in the wrong... come on man.

[Arkesus]

Still don't think it deserves an indefinite ban. But not my place to say.

[dangel365]

soccer is a physical game, but not to the point of potentially seriously hurting someone. i play soccer in college right now, and there is plenty of pulling, elbowing, pushing... u have to be able to deal with that in a way that isnt going to really hurt someone. she was completely in the wrong. refs usually let physical play go, until it gets to the point where it affects the play at hand.... ponytail theory- if i have a gun, u have a gun, can i shoot u and give u that same chance? bad theory.

[Arkesus]

If I have a gun and am threatening you with it, hell yes you would shoot me. What other option would you have? Die with the means to defend yourself right there in your hand? Don't make me laugh.

[dangel365]

thats not what i meant. u said that its resonable for a girl to pull another girls hair, if she in fact also has a ponytail. so if i have a gun, can i shoot u because u also have a gun? anyway, ur theory makes no sense. this girl was acting dirty throughout the entire game... and the BYU girls didnt do anything to close to that extent. the coach thought his player deserved suspension because she was seriously gonna hurt some1. she deserved it. if uve evr played soccer,BYU didnt do anything wrong

[Arkesus]

Again, I played the game competitively for many years until a dirty player forced me to quit by destroying my knee. Read before making ill informed comments. No you can't shoot me "just" because I have a gun, but Elizabeth didn;t pull her hair "just because she had it" she pulled it because she was being obstructed. If I used my gun to "obstruct" you, then yours would come in to play.

[dangel365]

well evidently ur a little rusty on the way soccer is played today. actually, u said that it isnt completely wong for her to pull her hair, because she herself has a ponytail. ya, im pretty sure i can tell shes pulling the girls hair because she is angry(duh). elizabeth pulled the girls hair, punched another girl, pushed and smacked down another girl...etc, and those players didnt stand up and punch her, or yank her down by her hair. they obviously can control their anger.

[Arkesus]

@dangel365 Who cares if they can "control their anger" they still can't "abide by the rules" which is the wohle point of the discussion. Of course she pulled the girls hair because she was angry, it's not like she thought it would be fun.

[dangel365]

actually soccer isnt just a physical game. u have to be able to control your anger and mentally comply. it seriously doesnt sound like uve played any soccer.. or any good soccer at that. yes, thats y i said she pulled her hair(her anger). obviously we rnt going to agree. i do understand that she was frustrated, but im sure she was pulling on the girls before. lets just say tho that she wasnt. she crossed the line and physically caused harm to at least one girl. i agree with the suspension.

[Arkesus]

@dangel365 you are ignoring what I am saying. Yes I have played the game, and I never got booked or sent off. Because I never broke rules. You are refusing to even acknowledge that the others involved broke any rules, which is daft because any official that saw it they would concede a free kick because it's a foul.

[Arkesus]

Wow, my god the number of comments I have to remove from people who do not know how to be adult about a discussion and completely miss the point of what I am saying.

Yes she should be punished. No, she should not be kicked out because she was not lashing out, she was acting in response. If you are going to kick her out, you have to at least do something to the other girls also caught breaking the rules. How much simpler do I have to put it?

[Rahn127]

It's very clear from the video that these two instances were actions of retaliation. What we don't know is how many other times had this girl been hit or kicked or even had her hair pulled before she finally had enough and began retaliating.

You get tired of people pulling at your shorts with no calls from the officals. Some people strike back hard enough to let the other person know "Hey, you need to stop doing that or else the consequences are this" ....I through your ass to the ground.

[dangel365]

fine, get mad and throw her to the ground... and then get ur ass kicked off the team. to play soccer u need to be able to deal with physical limits, mental aspects, and the rules.. she couldnt deal with any of these. thats y shes gone.

[Arkesus]

Retaliation is a very primal instinct that beckons back to where we came from down the line, it fuels our self preservation . I used to teach unarmed combat as well as play football, trust me I know what I am talking about there.

[shorti853]

I completely agree with you. No her actions were not right. But you have to admit the other girls had it coming to them. The first one thought she could get away with the elbow unpunished and the New Mexico chick stood up for herself. The second girl was so obviously tugging on her shorts. I dont think her actions should go unpunished, but that was pretty harsh. The other girls should have had some kind of punishment also.

[eugi120]

Did she turn around and say, "ok i pulled your pony tail and dropped you to the ground so here, pull mine." no.. and besides are you athletic at all? Pulling of the shorts is a great form of defense. She wasnt hurting her by doing that, and it was even the same girl as earlier. She has anger problems and yes she deserves to be banned.

[Arkesus]

@eugi120 "great form of defense" it's still breaking the rules.

[eugi120]

grabbing shorts in her case was trying to feel where she was at instead of doing somthing illegal, so when the ball came to her she would know where to go. Lets weigh the options- Pull shorts-Pull hair and throw her to the ground. Yea, you are right, perfect reaction. Play soccer at all?

[Arkesus]

@eugi120 yep, played for many years until a dirty player broke my knee. Now, grabbing to locate someone? No, not even logical. You can feel where someone is simply by putting your arms out, no need to grab. Shirt pulling when seen by an official results in a foul so your logic falls apart. Regardless of her motive for grabbing the shorts, it is still not allowed. And I have never said she performed the perfect reaction, try reading the annotation I had to put up.

[eugi120]

your whole pathetic video is saying she shouldnt be suspended because it doesnt seem to be a bad thing. You say its just retaliation for pulling shorts. If her arms were up you would say that was illegal too. You know nothing

[Arkesus]

@eugi120 Actually, my whole video is saying she should be punished. If her arms were up, I would say "that's fine" because that is allowed. Eugi, you are slowly making less and less sense with your responses because you can't seem to formulate a logical opinion and so are resorting to baseless insults. Sadly these fall flat when you are discussing with someone who actually doesn't "know nothing" as you so eloquently put it. She should be punished, but sos should the others.

[eugi120]

haha whatever helps you sleep at night. You really look atheltic too by the way.

[Arkesus]

@eugi120 I'm about a stone overweight cos I can't exercise thanks to the knee.

[dedebiren]

Another problem is that BYU athletes always get preferential treatment because they act so goody-2-shoes all the time, at the same time always being sneaky & whiney. It's good to see the UNM player stick up for herself after all the BS she took from the BYU players. If they're gonna dish it out, they need to learn to take it.

[Jmymac9]

Arkeus, very well said. I feel that to many Americans ( I am an American HS Baseball coach) want to place blame on the referees for wins losses for missed calls and in this case for controlling the game.

I am dissapointed that they show the limited footage, The "punch to the back was nothing, the hair pull was a bit rough but now that player will respect the give and give back aspect of the game.

Also enogh about how women should be expected or held to a higher standard of sportsmanship.

[Jmymac9]

I am adding to my discussion,

Why can the men of hockey fight, but only get a 5 min major or a game DQ. Some people watch just for the fights . Remembering they carry weapons (sticks) They often Trip, slash butt-end and cross check with these sticks. Again I feel it is sad on the part of sports that this is not controlled, but if it is ok for one sport then why not others.

Just like baseball and the beanball wars, it is accepted that if you throw inside rule #1 is be prepared to fight.

[Arkesus]

@Jmymac9 I don't play nor watch hockey, but the fights i have seen, the generally get rid of the sticks and their gloves due to the protective lining being classed as a weapon before they start hitting each other. The officials seem to wait wait for a clinch before diving in which I assume is due to the ice/gear/blades being too risky to do so before. But there is a high chance I am wrong about that. Interesting thought though. Should football allow more contact in it's rules?

[Arkesus]

@DaimaouGirl My apologies DG, the term I was after was "collision sport" according to wikipedia. Sure contact happens, as does a handshake before a chess match, but a quick kick to the shins under the table to protect my bishop would certainly be frowned upon.

[evoval]

I blame the ref's. In this game keep your hands off others. But if another player does elbow you or put there hands on you use a little more tact than Lambert did. Go in hard and fair, ball first then player. The refs need to control the game better and stop all this grab ass we see on all levels especially the MLS crap.

[ScaryIntentions]

yeah if it wasn't the pony tail it probably would have been something else

[netjet2020]

I think we are not seeing the whole game either. I don't believe this one incident makes for a ban for the season or life. I have seen worse & thank goodness no one was hurt permanently (I think) physically. I think sportsmanship & common sense needs to be reinserted into the game-all games. BUT both young ladies were acting foolishly-and if it is good for one it is good for both. It takes two to tango; & two young ladies were fighting on that field-& one threw the last punch.

[netjet2020]

I think we are not seeing the whole game either. I don't believe this one incident makes for a ban for the season or life. I have seen worse & thank goodness no one was hurt permanently (I think) physically. I think sportsmanship & common sense needs to be reinserted into the game-all games. BUT both young ladies were acting foolishly-and if it is good for one it is good for both. It takes two to tango; & two young ladies were fighting on that field-& one threw the last punch.

[jwade26]

Contact is one thing, but practically giving someone whiplash by yanking their ponytail so hard she goes face first into the ground is absolutely ridiculous. She is obviously does not have enough confidence in her own ability as a skilled soccer player or she need not take such nasty tactics to try to win. They wear shin guards, not neck braces and ponytail cups!!!

[ALdawg1988]

Also, if you watch the full video not just the two incidents shown in this video and many others, she in fact does quite a bit more. She intentionally punches a girl whilst pursuing a high ball and she kicks the ball into a girls face who is on the ground for which she recieves a yellow card. I mean who kicks someone when they're down? That's just weak.

[Arkesus]

@ALdawg1988 To be fair though, she didn't actually kick her, and it was a weak contact by the ball. They get more impact when they actually header it.

[ALdawg1988]

Yes i agree it was not hard but that is beside the point, the point is the act of kicking the ball into someones face whilst they are down is just poor form.

[Arkesus]

@ALdawg1988 but wouldn't you say elbowing them in the chest and pulling on their shorts is too?

[ALdawg1988]

But as you said, something about having the opportunity to do the same to your opponent re the ponytail. When someone is on the ground that's just stupid.

[Arkesus]

@ALdawg1988 not in a sport where it is against the rules, that comment was in the context of an actual confrontation.

[ALdawg1988]

Sure, you can retaliate, but it should be in proportion and not too excessive. If you play sport, you would know that your opponents will always try to get under your skin and exploit your weaknesses and by retaliating you are just going to their level and shows the weakness in your character. Play the game and get on with it.

[Arkesus]

@ALdawg1988 indeed going to their level. But from what we can gather, those already at that low level got away without any punishment of any kind.

That is the point I am trying to put across. All should be punished, not just one.

[ALdawg1988]

I don't think all should be punished or else every player in the world would be facing a ban. I think those who are too excessive as is the case with this girl should be punished. Sure she was taunted and was given a bit but she gave more than what she got. I mean if everyone retaliated and lost their cool like her football and sport in general would become ridiculous.

[Arkesus]

@ALdawg1988 so how do you suggest we put a stop to "retaliation" ?

[ALdawg1988]

Can't really stop it, just be the bigger person.

[Arkesus]

@ALdawg1988 clue was in the question. Stop the initial rule breaking, there's nothing to retaliate to.

[skinnywhop87]

People are soft.... From what I saw all the aggressive playing happened to be while she was either in the process of getting the ball or she already had it...... The other thing, you can see clearly the girl intentionally elbows her in the tit before she got punched...... People are so sensitive here in the US, in Europe and Latin America they're playing way more aggressive then this

[thorro21]

what hair pulling is allowed in premier league , serie a , world cup. Funny who was the french dude , who got suspended from world cup, for a head butt to the chest. what a dumb arguement.

[Arkesus]

@thorro21 I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. No-one is saying what she did was allowed, and the man you are talking about is Zinedine Zidane. His actions I do not agree with, as he was not physically attacked, it was just words until he acted. Lambert was physically provoked.

[visitor3107]

I'm pretty sure that 'it's OK to retaliate' is not in the rules of football.

this girl is obvious viscious and deserves all the noteriety she gets.

[Arkesus]

@visitor3107 Nobody is saying that it is in the rules . All people like me are saying is that it is the reason why she did it, and in a provoked attack, there are two people who should be punished.

[visitor3107]

at worst, the elbow (looked like jostling to me) and the shorts grab is a yellow card -

Her response is such an over response. There is nothing that can justify her behaviour.

I'm no fan of diving either but this is something else.

She should take up Ultimate Fighting.

[BubbleOfJelly]

Yeah, I think UF suits her more than soccer.

[Pharbers]

If you see other video with more footage, this is not isolated incidents. She was throwing fists and elbows into players faces. I have played soccer for a lot of years and there is normally some minor tugging and bumping. The elbow she got wasn't that big considering the wind-up she took on the players back. The hair pull was extreme. My question is how did the referee/line judges not catch any of this. She was out of control and should be banned.

[Arkesus]

@Pharbers Officials cannot be looking all places all of the time, which is where video footage comes in kinda handy. I just wish it was used fairly and not to punish "only some" people. selective enforcement of the rules is not enforcement of the rules.

[Pharbers]

I would agree, but if you watch some of the other video, a lot of the fouls are very flagrant and at the ball. Also, with the number of incidents, you would figure that someone would have got carded. There was only 1 yellow card for the game. When you take the player out, without touching the ball, that calls for a foul, and there wasn't one. Ref could have clamped down and it wouldn't have escalated and cost the girl the rest of her soccer future.

[Arkesus]

@Pharbers Absolutely. I have read a lot of comments on blogs and news stories criticising the officials and also the coaches (though I am unsure what difference they could have made in the one game). It really is a shame that Elizabeth is having to shoulder what appears to be "all" the blame, when arguments can be made it should be shared.

[froggerc625]

Regarding the pulling on a pony tail because they both have one, I don't agree with that either. Should testicle strikes become a frequent aggression tactic in men's sports because we all have them?

[Arkesus]

@froggerc625 you are taking that out of context. That was nothing to do with sports, that was general decorum. In a fight, it is considered cowardly to pull hair, I was just pointing out she has one too so could easily have had the same done to her, making it less cowardly.

[froggerc625]

I don't really think a pull on the shorts deserved the takedown.. Tugs and holds on jerseys are so common in sports, if 10% of them resulted in takedowns like the one she did, there would probably be a few of those takedown incidents and a lot neck injuries resulting.

[Arkesus]

@froggerc625 but there would possibly be less elbows in the ribs too.

[NomadDad57]

The other girl tried to give her a front wedgie. Is that acceptable? Are there certain cheats that are more acceptable? Is there a certain amount of cheating that is expected? I'm sure there is. She shouldn't have pulled her hair though. Bad form. She should have given her an atomic wedgie and pulled her knickers up to her shoulder blades. Would have been hard to see that one from the front. The punishment should fit the crime. An eye for an eye or in this case ... a wedgie for a wedgie.

[HTTAPBIH]

Once again, we judge things based on a couple of snippets of information. I'm not taking a position either way because I wasn't there and did not see the game. Rubish is thinking they shouldn't wear ponytails because it just invites trouble. Why don't we just flip coins to see who wins? Make sure the coin is not sharp!

[Arkesus]

@HTTAPBIH Who said anything about not wearing ponytails? I mention them to silence people who say "yeah but she pulled the hair, that's a cheapshot" in my opinion, it's only cheap if you don't have one yourself.

[HTTAPBIH]

Your right. I did not hear that right the first time and did not review.

[jamble]

She did rite in a wrong way........i feel for her....that power elbow she got from #7 was bad. A soccer shoulder push or knee kick would have done her job in rite rite way ;)........

[dostar3514]

In my opinion it looks like the BYU girls started the whole thing, they hit her first and pulled on her shorts, which is a cheap shot so the young lady had ever right to retaliate.

[kreitl5]

I have to disagree with you completely. Not only should this player be banned indefinitely, but her team should be banned for the rest of the playoffs. These infractions need to be handled swiftly and severly or they won't be stopped. Right now this girl is becoming a celebrity which only reinforces this aborhant behavior. Remember when the most important thing was how you played the game?

[Arkesus]

@kreitl5 I'm not sure banning the entire team for one players indescretions is ever going to be seen as a way to go. but you kinda have your wish, it was the semi final, and they lost, so pretty much tournament over.

[Ozarkana]

I agree with you completely. I was watching the video before I saw your comments and noticed Elizabeth getting elbowed in the boobs, and the girl she pulled down by the hair was giving her what we call a "wedgie" by yanking her shorts up into her crotch. Franky those BYU girls deserved what they got!

[terrell2002]

In reply to alot of the comments. Taunting is fine in soccer until you touch. Taunting is when you verbal, but it becomes unsportsman like conduct when you elbow and pull on opposing teams shorts. So what there where two different players, it probably was a setup cause she was an awesome player and they knew she was a threat. This story can go many ways, but the fact is they messed with her first.

[royce2u]

After looking at this a number of times, I have to agree we should try to determine what incited these incidents. And I have seen things that are as bad or worse in American style tackle football. So an indefinite ban might be way too harsh.

[Arkesus]

@DaimaouGirl Taunting is fine, say what you like on the field, I have no problem with it. Physically touch someone in a non contact sport, and you are asking for trouble. We all know why she was suspended, it's not a mystery. But it's an undeniable fact, the others broke the rules first, and they should be subject to punishment as well.

[jwade26]

look at the blonde again...I think that red poked or jabbed her with her right hand first, hence the elbow...looks like blondie is saying "Hey!" or something like that. I think red is absolutely out of line. Problem is these girls are taught this behavior by parents at a very young age. I've seen it with my girls at the age of 8 or 9 and parents yelling "break her leg!" It's got to be stopped.

[Arkesus]

@jwade26 I can't comment on something we cannot see and/or prove. conjecture isn't really a place I tend to take discussions, but your comment stays so that people can take that on board when they watch the video.

[AlphaTeamLeader1]

What is/was the role of the officials in this game?

Were they just saying let them play, or were they giving any warning during the game? The BYU players definitely seemed to be engaging in physical intimidation during the game. What about the NM players?

Who won their conference championship?

[Arkesus]

@AlphaTeamLeader1 I believe this incident was from a semi-final match, which BYU ended victoriously 1-0

The official did give Elizabeth a yellow a very tame trip on a player just outside her own penalty box. Basically the gal was running forward, Liz stood there, stuck her leg out for the ball, missed, girl fell over the leg. Not vicious, but close to goal so deserving of a yellow card in my book.

[Lonewolf1fl]

We are only seeing 20 seconds of a match, They are not showing what had happened up till that point. Lambert could have been playing rough all match and they were just trying to get her off their back,

[Arkesus]

@Lonewolf1fl true.

[Arkesus]

@DaimaouGirl Sorry but it's not the same thing, an accidental bump whilst trying to walk past you is far different from intentionally striking someone during a sports encounter. I don't think Elizabeth has ever said "I didn't do it" so from what I can gather she has accepted responsibilty for her actions. That being said, she should not be heavily punished whilst the rest escape punishment. The rules should apply to all.

[six64ever]

Lastly, as a former high school ice hockey official, even if I were to accept your hypothesis that this was merely retaliation, the force of the nudge in the stomach verses the force of Lamberts full force punch to a girls spine, and a tug on her shorts verses the force of yanking someones head back and causing a whiplash effect and possibly paralyzing an opposing player is not retaliation but simple disregard for a persons health and life.

[Arkesus]

@six64ever Disregard for a person's life may be overstating it a little bit. But, it must also be acknowledged that had the girls not provoked the incidents, would their health be at any risk at all? does Elizabth Lambert have a tendancy for just going about and punching people?

[lunarsphinx]

I see that both actions where each action was a reaction to the other players action. The problem was she was breaking Newtons Law that every action will result in an equal reaction

[Arkesus]

@lunarsphinx equal and opposite, hehe.

[Arkesus]

My apologies to the user who commented and ended with the question if I have ever played the game, I went to click reply and it got remove instead. In answer to that question, yes I played football actively, for numerous teams ever since I was a young boy until about 5 years ago when a dirty player nearly destroyed my knee.

[Arkesus]

@DaimaouGirl But she is only "throwing it away" because the system punishes her,

but from what we can gather the ones who instigated the scenario were not punished in any way. Even though they were also caught on camera hitting a player, for no reason.

[psychosillygal102]

of the times the touching and elbow in the ribs is an accident. And little things like those are very numerous and do not give teams an edge in winning as long as the other team can play better.. Noone deserve to be punched or have their hair pulled in a game, it's not good sportsmanship, so yes she should have been suspended indefinitely, or atleast until she see's a therapist!!

[Arkesus]

@psychosillygal102 No, indeed they do not generate a significant team advantage, but that does not mean it is ok for people to do so. If someone hit me for no reason, you can be certain I am going to be annoyed by it. And I can easily justify hitting someone "in response" if they have hit me "for no reason" multiple times, it is going to have more effect on your mood the longer it goes on. I say she should be punished, but so should the ones who did it first.

[psychosillygal102]

Clearly your a mindless tard who see's the fix to violence is violence instead of just walking off the field which I did many times because of attacks that were unjust or just annoying.. and yes an elbow grab may interfere with the game but still the both should have been red carded or suspended or what ever.. The minor assault DO NOT JUSTIFY A PUNCH!!!! Feeding fire to fire just increases them flame!!!!

[Arkesus]

@psychosillygal102 wow, what an adult post. I never said "the fix to violence is violence", I merely said the reason why Elizabeth reacted that way, was because she was struck first. "Feeding fire to the fire" there shouldn't be a fire, Elizabeth would not have punched if they had been playing by the rules in the first instance. The solution to violence, is NO VIOLENCE. But as with anything in life, you hit someone, prepare to get hit back.

[psychosillygal102]

@Arkesus As I said both should have been penalized.. Anyways I have never felt the need to hit back I allow whomever hit then sit back and let the legal system take care of the rest because honestly, I'm just not that good at phyiscal stuff.. but What I was trying to say never came out in the first post. They both should have been penalized.... But I still hold firm it was wrong to straight out punch her in the face.... That is all for now.......

[Arkesus]

@psychosillygal102 jcorrect, both should be punished, which is the entire point of the video. It's all fair and well saying "let the justice system do it's thing.." etc, but if the officials do not see those little bumps, they do nothing. Players know this, that's why they do it, and Elizabeth knew that it would go unpunished otherwise.

[psychosillygal102]

@Arkesus I gwt what your saying now my apologies for previous comments..

[Arkesus]

@psychosillygal102 don't worry about it. These things happen.

[Arkesus]

@psychosillygal102 just to also point out, the elbow and the grab are clearly not accidents.

[sasha191973]

You are absolutely correct- the young lady was hit so she retaliated in turn; the young lady was pulled so she retaliated in turn. That is not grounds for her to be suspended indefinitely. The BYU players started something they had no power to finish and got a sound physical thrashing for it. Case closed. Game's over, get over it. The hair pull to the ground was a tad excessive however the young lady was merely letting the BYU player know that she wasn't taking any rubbish.

[trimarano]

Following your logic that pulling another players pony tail is OK if you have a pony tail I guess any guy should be able to kick another guy in the nuts or the head as long as they have both. There were more things she did. Indefinite suspension is great. She could cause serious cerebral damage with what she did. This is soccer not Ultimate Fighting Challenge.

[Arkesus]

@trimarano My apologies, I've not said it clearly enough. It is not OK for any "player" to kick another "player" I was responding to people who consider the act of hair puling in any context or situation a cowardly one, not a sporting one. You are absolutley correct, it is not the UFC, which is why there is no place for elbows to the chest.

[charlesconsult]

When we compete, there is a unsaid and mutual agreement to play the game fairly. When the elbows and grabbing appear, it breaks the agreement to play fair, and the dirty game begins to escalate.

You see the shock and anger in Lambert's face in the beginning, as if she is becoming aware that "playtime is over" and it's on to the hard game - the fair play agreement has been broken. You see it in the rest of the game, where Lambert is playing like a grim trigger.

What if the neck had broken?

[Arkesus]

@charlesconsult It would have been terrible. And I reckon, would probably tell a few people that grabbing players in a game where it is not welcome has it's consequences.

[charlesconsult]

I would say that it is a matter of proportionality - does the crime of the near "sexual assault" grab equal to the punishment of a possible neck injury? I'm sure different people will weigh in differently on that issue.

Ultimately, it is up to the coaches and the referee to control the level of violence. At the higher levels of the game, personal integrity will begin to matter.

[Arkesus]

@charlesconsult indeed. But still, I can;t get away from the fact that there is not as much information here as we need to adequately look at this. It is very obvious why she did it, but at the moment we are left to assume that those who attacked her for no reason have gone unpunished. If that is the case, then it is the point I have a large problem with.

[Arkesus]

From ccI agree that we don't have enough information to go on. I can imagine that "goldilocks" talked a load of shit before, during and after the game. I'm sure that BYU did their best to concentrate on antagonizing Lambert. But, that's part of the game. At the high levels of any sport, it's mostly a mental struggle.

I think what attracts us to the video is that her actions are so brutally clear. I think many people have felt the frustration - like that's "enough". She did something about it.

[Arkesus]

@charlesconsult I love the "mental struggle" aspect of the game. I hate the "I'm gonna hit this person for no reason" aspect. It says you are not allowed to in the rules, so why would anyone want to do it? Indeed, Elizabeth needs punishing, but not indefinate ban. And yes, the two players need to be punished as well, that way they won't go out and do the same next game.

[ryanboy22]

her opponents throw an elbow first, and the other one grabbed her shorts, the Effect, she kicked their ass... hahahha she's one naughty hot girl

[chissiez1]

There is a referee for the discipline function. Retaliation is no excuse. That girl brought the whole team under a black cloud.

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[Arkesus]

@chissiez1 Indeed, it is no excuse. But is an understandable explanation as to why. Whereas the ones who hit her first have no explanation that I can see. They should be punished too in some form.

[chissiez1]

That is what the referee is for - if he/she failed then the soccer authorities have to deal with that.

Lambert was acting out - she is violent and needs to address that problem.

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[Arkesus]

@chissiez1 Pretty much everyone can agree that Lambert deserves punishing. You mention the referee not dealing with her actions, he also did not deal with the other players and neither have these "soccer authorities" which is the complaint I have.