Yang Style Taiji Grandmaster Wang Yongquan (1903 ~ 1987)

[woledage]

I am lucky to study with one of his students in Beijing.

[seurng1fjpjkd]

today better than yesterday, tomorrow better than today - diligence and allowing change become progress

[sifucarr]

Thank you for this - I love his smile from the heart - and good form - thank you -

[julcmon999]

When you we asked Sifu Mak about the Yang clan he all ways said that they were very hard and he show one chi kung of the set we learn and he said that he had to do it 500 times just that one not including the rest of them .The times he use to go back to China to see friends and family he all ways went to see the Yang and he told us in one return trip that as students we were much better and that they don't teach the same way than before.

[julcmon999]

Try to do 6 hours per day in meditation ,chi kung and tai chi the least and you will feel the chi and when you do the form six times ,3 times right side and 3 times left side (reversed ) . I have been doing this since I started tai-chi and that was over 25 years ago from a teacher Mak Po Sun his teacher was Yang Zhenduo

[bigkittysmile]

rare clips of a great master and sweet chinese music thanks

[ReillyVids]

This guy is great....

[xinyitaiji]

Though if's not difficult to learn the full set of 85 forms, it's NOT EASY TO DO REALLY WELL in Yang style. Slow movements require control of internal energy/force and balance. You are not supposed to show your force/energy (jing) explicitly and yet you cannot play well if you do not have "jing"! It requires a combination of UNDERSTANDING, BODY MOVEMENTS, 'JING' and INNER SELF CONTROL ETC! NOT EASY!

[xinyitaiji]

Simplified taijiquan 24 form was created in 1956 to bring taiji to the mass. It was based on Yang style but deviates somewhat. In 24 forms,body weight shifting was done whenever the player steps forward. Master Yang Chen Fu's latest forms were those of 85 forms when he settled in Shanghai. In 85 forms, one doesnot shift weight backwards in order to move forward. You just move the weighted foot (just like when you walk, you don't shift your weight backwards in order to move forward!)as you moves.

[colemcm]

@xinyitaiji This is how I learned as well in the 108 through Chen Wei Ming's lineage.

[littlecannon]

If we're talking about martial use, then the 24 forms etc have been created from cut down Yang style long forms, modified from their original by Yang Cheng Fu. He made them simpler omitting the jumping and harder moves, so the masses could learn taiji. So if they have come from the Cheng Fu form, then they lack martial content. For a start the postures are to exaggerated and open to be used martially. The large circles need to be refined to minute circles to be really effective in combat.

[5Bluenilehoney]

no started teaching it like that because HE was getting old, so instead of doing kicks after golden roaster stands on one leg(wich is quite a manuver if you don't have the balance) he compensated by doing two snakes creeps down ect,ect...But what I want to know is...in the orginal yang form was there a "T" step? And yes 24 can be done with intent, depending on how you do it. Learning the long form took me 4 months, because I learned the short form first. Bet It would normally take a least a year

[dizbgillespie]

Forms are as good as the player. And anyway, the 'short form' has all the moves of the Yang 108 form, minus repeats. All the applications are there. Who cares when it was created or by who? It's a great way for beginners to learn t'ai chi chuan. If they never learn the applications, who cares. There are more benefits to this than fighting. (..although, personally I like the fighting benefits too.)

[littlecannon]

Although some may not want to learn the martial, you still need to know what's going on for your mind and body to work together in harmony. How can you know where to direct your energy if you are just blindly waving your arms around. Taijiquan is primarily a martial art with health benefits being a by product of knowing the attack/defense side.

A bit like buying a ferrari and not learning how to start the engine, without the internal and martial ability, it's simple an empty shell.

[SecretSword]

I agree that martial practice is the only way to get the full benefit of tai chi. I also believe it should be used as a moving Qi gong as Chen-fu had intended it. I teach elderly Tai chi I don't teach them push hands or dim mak apps lol but we do Real Silk and I do work on structure, root and I check this and adjust it through putting pressure on their frames and allowing them to readjust. If you want a Ferrari you have to build it one step at a time.

[sifucarr]

@dizbgillespie - sorry, the short form is missing some moves contained within the 108 -

[OneRoomSchoolHouse]

I have never seen anyone who does 24 step demonstrate a tai chi nonforce tech once. It is stiff and wooden because of its lack of traditional rooting. It is more akin to modern wushu, an imitation of the tradional gung fu.

[ophuchew]

Oneroom--Thats probably because all they learned was the form and not any of the theory's or essentials of training. They probably didn't have very good teachers.

[5Bluenilehoney]

24 is just that. 24 postures out of the orginal long form,this has nothing to do with "rooting". Good form comes from many things on of which is good postures. There is a way to do 24 with good postues and strong stances.

[OneRoomSchoolHouse]

that is the common misconception though, it is not traditional Yang style TCC. It was created by a gov. committee in 1956,that is not how traditional gung fu forms are created.Much of the 24 step form goes against traditional principles and that is why it doesn't work as push hands or combat and must be judged by its own criteria.

[5Bluenilehoney]

I know all of this as i have been studying for some time. And there are many ways people do 24 some are "stronger" than others.

[Scott200]

Those "stronger" methods include rooting. Without a strong base, the form is basically just a dance.

[sifucarr]

@OneRoomSchoolHouse - Imagery - it's all about imagery. The imagery can be that you are blocking a kick with a sweeping hand while shoving your other palm through one's chest - and calling it "brush knee" - - - or, - - - you could give the "imagery" that one is straitening out the bed sheet and pushing the dog off the bed. Passive or aggressive - it means nothing without internal/external harmony. Strength and peace my friends of the art -

[sifucarr]

@5Bluenilehoney - I'm sorry - do you know what "rooting" means? It is a basic concept and is taught from day one - before the forms training even begins.

[sifucarr]

@OneRoomSchoolHouse - It takes 3 things to become good at the arts - any art. One - a good art - - that is, tried and true and has strong principals that one can apply to their everyday life. Two - - a good teacher - - that is, one that will teach the student just those things - how to apply the lessons - for it was Leonardo DeVinci who said - "To know is not enough - we must apply!" - (not Bruce Lee by the way) - - Third - a good student - without which - all is lost!

[mazorblock]

Can anyone direct me to an original version of the Yang Style 24- step pattern?

[OneRoomSchoolHouse]

24 step is not traditional Yang style TCC, it was developed by a Communist committee in 1956. I lacks root and therefore nonforce applications, in more recent years they have tried to substitute shiajiao apps.

[ophuchew]

24 steep is not traditional TCC it is a simplified form from the trad. tcc in that the number of movements have been simplified. However, "the routines of the 24 simplified are developed based on the movements which are representative of the traditional form, but the number of the movements have been simplified. The theory, essentials, standards of the movements and the practicing way have not been simplified." Per Cui Zhongsan in the recent Tai Chi Mag article Vol. 31, No.4

[taichiinherts]

The "Communist committee" was the Sports Commission who asked the most prominant Taiji teachers to come up with a form, including, Chu Guiting, Cai Longyun, Fu Zhongwen, Zhang Yu, Mao Bohao, Li Tianji, Tang Hao, Wu Gaoming.. The number of movements and difficultty was reduced but nothing essential is different from traditional Yang practice..

[sifucarr]

@mazorblock - Many people will claim theirs to be original - many people have copies of original manuscripts, some with the actual manuscripts themselves! My teacher included - Doc Fai Wong. You must persue to the end that which you know in your heart to be true - until it reveals itself differently. Use the ancient wisdom found in the principals - let those be your guidelines - not ego - there is no wrong way - only better than yesterday -