HRC NRS 250 Moto3 Contender Teaser Video

[jakers125]

2 words dog shit

[koengixxer]

fucking piece of 4 stroke shit.... bbbblllllllaaaaaaaaaa....  fuck that!

[95Shyne]

This will be good for the sport, 2 strokes are history becuase the manufactures dont sell them as a road going bike (I raced 2 strokes for 17 years & I still love them) 250cc GP's got boring with only a handful of bikes being capable of actually winning races, Moto 2 was like a breath of fresh air and brought bike to life the middle weight class, with great racing, its given riders of ability who may not have got top rides a chance at the top, now that isnt boring, Moto 3 will do the same.

[powlaaku]

sounds a bit fat.. not really as aggressive as 125 2t.. but I guess this is not slow too..

[Mavrix334]

Damn!! Thats quite fast for a 250 4stroke single cylinder is it?? Looking forward to see it on a real race..

[iava1981]

Honda ,you and Dorna smell like shit, wherever you want i will kick your ridiculous nrs ass with my aprilia rs 125.

2 STROKES FOREVER

[peterg2yt]

great... no more stinkwheel racing! :-)

[RocketJones38]

2 strokes for ever !

[carpo94]

Moto2 bikes work because there 600 and sound good but wtf is that!!

[SPOOKSTR]

Sounds like SHIT.

[Laserton]

Menudo sonido mierdoso. ¬¬

[PurplePosman]

All this talk about Moto2 being a 'one make series', why don't you stop and think about the last few years of 125's? All the bikes were build by the same company.

Also, regardless of the fact DI 2Strokes are becoming cleaner, it is not a widely used technology that the manufactures in GP racing use for their 'road divisions' as such, therefore using 4 Strokes is more beneficial to them as it relates to what they sell to customers.

Final point, who cares if it makes racing as exiciting as Moto2?

[browny993]

That sounds fucking shit......Why have HONDA killed the 2 stroke engine???

Give me a 10 year old Aprilia RSA 250 GP than this 2012 bike

It's sad to think that 2 stroke racing motorcycles will soon be only seen in club racing,you just cant beat the smell or the noise of 2 stroke!!

[raistapartam]

hate the sound of single cylinder 4t. 2 stroke fits much much better this bikes.

Now, I have no reason to go and see motoGP

[jalit]

There is no reason for 4 stroke engines to exist now that 2 strokes have direct injection. The only reason is engine manufacturers want you to buy their camshafts and valves etc.

[duncanbayne]

I wonder if it can carry as much shopping as my old CG-125?

[GustavMeyrink]

I for one am looking forward to the 4 strokes.

Moto2 racing is massively more exciting than the 250 it replaced and I guess Moto3 will be better than the one-make race series that effectively is the current 125 series.

Also I take motorbikes more seriously when they do not sound like a chainsaw.

I pretty much stopped watching MotoGP from when MV Agusta stopped racing until the 4 strokes came back.

[ValeNorthSide]

i don't like this motorbike. I prefer a 125cc 2T :(

[TheOfficialKC]

One more reason to not watch GP. Thank you Honda for killing great racing AGAIN. 4-strokes are BORING to watch. They are also slower and way too damn expensive. As far as greener, you pollute less making a 2-stroke and with DI they pollute less than 4-strokes and burn less fuel.

[2StrokeRacing2]

2 years ago they outlawed the MotoGP 250 2 strokes in place of a SPEC ENGINE 600cc 4 stroke class. And guess what? SLOWER LAP TIMES!! But still they hailed the new 4 strokes. So now the 125's are going, to be replaced with presumably slower 250 4 strokes. There's a mentality out there that i just don't understand... Direct injection makes 2 strokes emissions lower than 4 jokes and 4 strokes are not greener at all! Honda changed the rules they want to rule the world of racing!

[2StrokeRacing2]

when MotoGP allowed 990cc 4 strokes to compete with the 500 2 strokes. Honda showed up with a 5 cylinder 990 which promptly won every race. The press, the teams, the manufacturers all hailed it as such an incredible, fantastic machine. 4 stroke was the future they said. All the while i'm thinking they needed more than DOUBLE the engine to finally beat the 500's! Needless to say the cost was astronomical, and now the entire MotoGP grids is only 17 riders.

[JukkaX]

@2StrokeRacing2 Yea, and honda won with their 5 cylinder 990 cc only 'cos they managed to make Dorna to allow 5 cyl's the same WEIGHT LIMIT as to the 4 cyl's, which was a utter joke. Yamaha managed to beat them with a 4 cylinder bike from 2004 onwards. Just goes to show what a shitfuck company honda is.

[karolissickb0y]

Costa quasi il doppio rispetto al 125 2tempi sempre Honda, ha quasi 10 cavalli dichiarati in meno, tempi di manutenzione sicuramente più ridotti e sicuramente più costosi. Poi se per caso si rompe sono cavoli amari perché cambi mezzo motore, mentre sul 125 al limite pistone + ricromatura cilindro, se necessaria.

Una BOMBA! :-)

Very nice, costs almost twice, has almost 10hp lower power, maintenance times are shorter and I think more expensive, and if you broke one you have to change half engi

[Wasakracker79]

I dont understand why they act that this is a new class.

In many national championships these bikes already race...and get smoked by the 125cc 's.

[RIK92YT]

Now also the "entry-level" motorbikes change to 4 strokes. I'm quite happy about this choice. Aprilia's kingdom is over. Now let's give room to HONDA, YAMAHA and KTM. New challenges, new strategies! A "greener" and more responsible choice that will make races modern, and, why not, a little bit cheaper. 2 strokes had had their time. A couple of years from now, many people will be complaining with electric bikes, and will miss the 4 strokes. Same old story. (BTW- i own and love a 2 stroke mtb!)

[MudDNo]

@RIK92YT still got kawasaki for entry level motorbikes. ninja 150 superkips =). can kick any 250's 4 jokes ass anytime =D

[kekkorr]

motoristicamente ridicola.... e vogliono convincere la gente,che i 4 tempi vanno pure forte! peccato che per avere un minimo di velocità raddoppiano la cilindrata e le ricoprano di controlli elettronici..... che cagata

[kekkorr]

motoristicamente ridicola.... e vogliono convincere la gente,che i 4 tempi vanno pure forte! peccato che per avere un minimo di velocità raddoppiano la cilindrata e le ricoprano di controlli elettronici..... che cagata

[SuzukiCentral]

An absolute step backwards in every aspect. An average of 4 seconds a lap slower than a 2T of half the capacity says this new class is not about performance at all. It's simply a marketing tool and will prove to be boring as all shit.

[RiiZR]

sounds like a fucking fart. 2T WILL NEVER DIE

[ptcruiser68]

Accogliamo il futuro e basta 2T che inquinano, vedremo chi arriva come concorrente almeno sarà combattuta la Moto3.

[alessioboscolo]

@ptcruiser68 si perchè il 4T è ecologico...

[karolissickb0y]

@ptcruiser68

Ma informati quanto inquina un 4tempi prima di parlare va ;)

[Killer]

What really gets my goat though is why they decided to go single cylinder on the 4 stroke...something like the cbr250rr would have been ideal, that thing was 4 cylinders...super short stroke, made 45hp@15000rpm out of the box...could have easily been bumped up to match the 2 strokes...theres videos on the net of the cbr250rr vs nsr250, check them out and see how close they are

[hnorto]

Its single cylinder because its replacing a class that only utilises single cylinders (gp125). CBR250RR/KAWASAKI ZXR circa 1980's to early ninties did have high rpm, powerful 250 engines (45hp+) but well never see them in racing again due to reliability (more cylinders more moving parts...Especially when red lining at 18,000rpm) and eco regulations. Also to add it is a hrc machine, it will be off the chart and would hammer ANY road 250

[markypea]

@hnorto Moto2 is four cylinder, the 250s they replaced were twins. It stands to reason that they could have done the same with the Moto3 and used some off the shelf 250cc like the Kawasaki ZX250R (4cyl). It seems to me that Dorna have a good relationship with Honda and preferred to bias the engines towards them (CBR250R single). Moto2 is a cheap class, but then the engines are off the shelf CBR600 whereas the Moto3 are prototype (but a bored CBR250R would be a good start).

[blondboyharrison]

The noise is growing on me already

[Himmlerdude]

and remember that an RSA125 put out about 55hp...

[ritter188]

I can't wait to watch this series next season.

[dorkusmajorus]

who says it faster?

Honda with their stock rs125?

try it against an RSA125 and it will be a very different story.

Two stroke technology has not haulted, it is just being undertaken in local workshops and institutions now that factory support has ceased.

using 'modern techniques' one can get very high performance gains from a 2T single.

modified KTM 368cc 2T single cylinder: 86hp and 80nm torque

KTM 690cc 4T single: 70hp 71nm torque WITH MODS

The 2T engine is much lighter.

GAME OVER

[mastrotoni]

TWO STROKES WILL NEVER DIE FAGGOTS

[Killer]

If you must compare 4strokes and 2 strokes, keep a few things in mind. The exhaust a 2 stroke runs provides a supercharging effect, thats why 2 strokes perform the way they do. Take that away and suddenly both 4strokes and 2strokes perform very similarly, under natural aspirated plumbing. So if you must compare a 2stroke of given CC running chamber exhausts with a 4stroke, then the 4 stroke should either run more CC or some form of forced induction like a turbo to compensate.

[Himmlerdude]

@Killer you make a point mate but....a chamber is a part of the 2 stroke system...essentially an extension of the engine...cant really have one without the other, at least not on a motorbike.

[Killer]

@Himmlerdude yeah, i was just explaining why a naturally aspirated 4 stroke needs more CC to contend with a chambered 2 stroke. To be accurate, the chamber isnt really part of the 2 stroke system, you CAN run a 2 stroke without chambers and in that config they perform very similar to 4 strokes

[Killer]

@Himmlerdude i'm from India and the 2 strokes sold here do not run expansion chambers.

[GSG1298]

@Killer That's because 2-T's made in India are 95% Cardboard.

[Killer]

@GSG1298 regardless...they can run without chambers, its not part of the system as suggested earlier, thats the only point i care to make.

[JoYoung1982]

Sounds like a tractor.......................­.Why not a twin, something that will build skills needed to ride real motorcycles? Single 4 stroke may build racing grids, but will not develop the skills needed at the next level.

Without riders who can take it to a new level,the new limit may be nothing more than a do-over.......................­.....

[integralecorse]

è veramente di una tristezza infinita vedere che con le motorrappartici non ci si coltiva più l'uva ma ci si corre (per modo di dire visto che a taroccare un video è un attimo ).

Hanno ucciso questo sport ,e mi vogliono anche prendere in giro dicendomi che la merda è buona............

i tempi si sono fatti difficili per la gente che raggiona con il proprio cervello

[TurboNosHayabusa1]

These bikes are pieces of shit? Think again, with minimal development, the NRS250 has beaten a GP125 bike in a track in Japan by 1.5 seconds PER LAP...stop hating. Move on with times. People doubtin when the GP500s were to evolve into MotoGp 1000 bikes and saying that 1000cc would be slower and bulkier, look at the laptimes now even with the 800ccs....

[yahoo12345671]

@TurboNosHayabusa1 I agree with you, they are not pieces of crap. I would love to ride one of them, but let's be honest here, the only reason it is faster is because it has DOUBLE the cc's. I'd like to see it race an RS250, or an RC211V race a 1000 cc two stroke. I love 4 strokes, but the only way they can compete with a two stroke is either have way more cylinders and rev much higher, i.e. Honda RC166 vs the yamaha 2 strokes that were the same size, or double the capacity.

[TurboNosHayabusa1]

@yahoo12345671 It's a 4 stroke, that's why it needs double the cubic capacity... :) Morover, can you imagine riding a 1000cc 2 stroke? I can't, because it will be way unrideble... 4 stroke technology is up and rising, wherelse 2 stroke technology was at a standstill from a few years back...

[yahoo12345671]

@TurboNosHayabusa1 That argument is more circular than a CD. I realize you were probably joking, hence the smiley face, but from what you're saying, 4 strokes just can't compete with a 2 stroke of the same size, where as I say, yes they can, just quadruple, or even hextuple the number of cylinders. For example, a 250cc 2 stroke motocross bike made about 55-60 hp. The 1966 Honda RC166 made 60 hp as a 250cc 4 stroke with 6 cylinders....how? 18,000 rpm.

[blondboyharrison]

Yes ok guys 2 Stroke 125's are going to be missed by all of us. BUT listening to this bike again and again and the sound has grown on me greatly. 0.57 ONWARDS SOUNDS LIKE A 125 GOING DOWN THE START FINISH AT DONINGTON with just a deeper sound

[blondboyharrison]

@blondboyharrison Sorry make that 0.54 Onwards

[ChickenStripped]

Bring back the 2 strokes

[lecrapper]

well the industry desperately needs entry level bikes, so I suppose if the manufacturers start making and marketing these (in the US) it would be very good for the industry/sport.

but the bike seems weak. 400s would make more sense to me.

[gavimoto]

Sounds just like my Suzuki FXR150 F4 race bike.

[ross219uk]

Sounds like a wet f*rt

[emotracing]

Mr Honda ,why don't you shove your 4stroker somewhere ?

This "revolutionary" bike can do NOTHING better than the 125 twostrokers already could.

And the engine cost maximum would have been just as easy to apply on the twostrokers.

[silverdanutz]

verry nice motorcycle

[jasonr1150gs]

Might as well go back to MZ racing. Yawn....

[GlitcherTom]

it wont be the same without the 2 strokes.

[deabru]

moto3 may be fun, who knows ... but the bikes are a piece of shit.

[javawocky]

uninspiring

[tripletrash]

meh

[GUERREROZ65]

:(

[shigechika]

SUGO-!