The New Number One Distro? - Linux Mint 12

[Juilkca]

I've been using Ubuntu for 4 years now, but haven't kept up with the Linux world. Anyone can tell me why Mint is at the top of the distro list right now?

[burstpipes]

Number one for now, but it looks rather ugly.

[FarmandDK]

They screwed the Mint 12 up for users with an intel chipset. The gui will be hidden, and there is a manual workarround, but still very irritating to have to mess with that. They should fix the distro images asap.

[ShadowEater120880]

I'd say it was a bloated OS, works well but too much bagage

[andre2pi]

dude your review is a waste of time. if you dont wanna do a descent review , why bother put one more trash video youtube.

[gotbletu]

@andre2pi yea because going on youtube is very productive. i just waste 8mins of ur life son, gg

[Juilkca]

@andre2pi It's not really a review. He's used Mint before and he's just telling us the some of the likes and dislikes. Like anyone who has been using linux, there's not much to review because you already know what to expect. This video is NOT for viewers to are looking to try out linux for the first time. It's for experienced users who just want to know a few factors which helps them decide whether to use it or not.

[ganjaking187]

im running linux mint 11 and it is way better then 12

[Kueller917J]

5:41

"Type in some stupid thing"

>Types in linux

[VinDeGaul]

mint rocks

when winetricks asked me if they could send statistics anonymously-

i was like f%$# yea!

[grandmasterhack]

please state your problems you have with linux mint12. the distro is community driven & they do listen. you might want to take a whack at cinnamon though ^_^

[swarrior216]

How do you get the menu on the bottom? I'm new to Linux.

[gotbletu]

@swarrior216 comes by default in linux mint 12

[IncrediguyPro]

So wait, you mean the new number one distro is using Gnome 3?? Hmm....I don't think so. I'll just stick with my Gentoo.

[paldepind]

It ain't blinking!

[fahadabid]

I think Kde is the most mature and the best desktop environment at the moment

[MetalShreader]

I used it for about a week as a main distro, but couldn't get into it. They did some good stuff with gnome though.

[shafnet]

Disappointing :(

I'm with @MetalxShredder600 - I use pingEEE 11.04 32bit PAE for my laptop.

[Ograws]

All of your videos are wide :) what is your screen resolution?

[MetalxShredder600]

I really recommend u guys to look at Pinguy OS 11.10. Its (imo) the best gnome shells "remix" out there so far, and if looks and feels a lot like gnome2. heres a screenshot of my desktop

bit.ly /smdlsg

[MetalxShredder600]

@MetalxShredder600 the really kool thing about pinguy is that they have a really full version with lots of apps, and a mini version(what i use) so u can install what u want and not have to uninstall all the crap u dont want

[waynefoutz]

@scorici Mate has got a long way to go before it's usable.  If you want the perfect Gnome 2 experience, your best bet is to stick with Gnome 2.

[OmenX13]

Nice Honest review G...Thanks.

[Kawiatube]

UBUNTU + UNITY = WIN .

[TheMeanEYE]

@Kawiatube Maybe in 3 years... right now Ubuntu + Unity = Shitload of RAM, CPU and lost windows.

[Kawiatube]

@TheMeanEYE what do you mean shitload of RAM and CPU . mine works perfectly. like the whole Ubuntu it's resource efficient. To appreciate you'll have to actually use it for work rather testing . I know people who were satisfied with Vista because they used for actual work(but that's extreme.).

[TheMeanEYE]

@Kawiatube I am using it since the Ubuntu was released and speaking from personal experience. 3D version of unity along with compiz eats around 100MB, compared to 2D version and gnome2 panel that's 2-5x more. Not to mention memory leaks. After a few day or so moving windows becomes really choppy and only way to restore expected behavior is to restart Unity.

Having Qt and Mono installed by default (but removing Samba) is really not resource efficient. Huge libraries for shell and music player.

[BelaFleckFan]

Cool review thumbs up dude

[wataki2]

Yeah i thought i was the only one to be so so annoyed by Linux Mint's search engine.. I like that it matches LinuxMint but i cant stand it.

[gotbletu]

@wataki2 yea is been like that along time now, not sure if they can do anything about it cuz the google custom crap is limited

[cfs3mytube]

"Whatever desktop the refugees are going to now."

LMFAO!

I did go to Mint. I am a refugee. ;)

[gotbletu]

@cfs3mytube lols u made it thru solider

[gotbletu]

@trickstarsym i see keeping it oldschool

[llelectronics]

ZevenOS-Neptune had Mate as Desktop Environment long before Linux Mint shipped with it. It also has a Gnome 3 Shell version.

[llelectronics]

@llelectronics Btw. a distro that you could also test out ;)

[gotbletu]

@llelectronics never heard of that one, review it for me so i can watch to see the diff =)

[llelectronics]

@gotbletu done ;) Just take a look at the video answer

[spindlegrinder]

No Cube but brightside is good for changing screens

[gotbletu]

@spindlegrinder ppl still use cube?

[eduardoc]

I really wish Mint would stick to the one bar system. I know they might not have had a lot of wiggle room with Gnome Shell and whatnot but it would be nice if they were the last distro to support that. Maybe the Mate shit will take off and they'll do that as its own spin? That's be cool.

[gotbletu]

@eduardoc not sure, at the moment, i dont think Mate will last long

[TheMeanEYE]

At first I was really looking forward to Mate but I think they ruined it. I would be really happy if they only forked gnome-panel, but they forked everything. Including calculator, VFS, GIO, panel, and other. Anything that had Gnome word in it, has been forked. In my opinion that is a bad decision, because team of 4 people can't maintain all that and develop new features.

Gnome panel, the thing everyone is missing, is just a task manager and main menu, no need for the rest of the things.

[gotbletu]

@TheMeanEYE yea thats overkill, i though they were just gonna update stuff not rebrand everything

[TheMeanEYE]

@gotbletu Huge overkill. Check github . com / perberos / mate-desktop-environment

[gotbletu]

@TheMeanEYE wonder if i can ask them to name an app after me, lols

[TheMeanEYE]

@gotbletu Try it and let me know :)

[TifaCooky]

I agree, this release is not their best. Their menu sucks because you cant search and install packages from their menu. I hear many people are moving to Pinguy OS or Debian. Gnome 3 is still pretty new so I'm sure Mint is having a difficult time making everything work well.

[gotbletu]

@TifaCooky yea is like the iceage, everyone is migrating elsewhere haha

[bamdadkhan]

'lord kazekage' xD

[gotbletu]

@bamdadkhan lol Sand Burial *waves hand signs*

[MonkeyZazu2]

Haha, that's what I like about your reviews. You don't kiss ass and try to make the distro out to something its not. You tell everyone exactly whats up. What you like, what you hate, improvements? All that good stuff. Im surprised any linux distros haven't hired you on there team just to review stuff in general.....or have they? haha.

[gotbletu]

@MonkeyZazu2 if they aint paying me, then i can just say what i want without bias crap, waste of time trying to please everyone, open source stuff can suck too, but many open source nuthugger wont like to admit that becuz they fear their viewers unsubing them =D

[Laoch111]

The GNOMenu is far better than the MintMenu. G3 still sucks balz.

[gotbletu]

@Laoch111 hehe another satisfy customer

[SdUdExDo]

Gnomes turned to shit :/

[gotbletu]

@SdUdExDo lols

[UslennoX]

7:40 lmao hannah Montana's quote xD

[robvelor]

First of all never ever use google!

[Videotubelord]

@robvelor Thats right, use DuckDuckGo!

[robvelor]

@Videotubelord Yep!

[gotbletu]

@robvelor ur using google right now on youtube =p

[ElderSnake90]

This was an awesome review, well done

[gotbletu]

@ElderSnake90 Thanks, are u gonna come over from Slackware? lols

[ElderSnake90]

@gotbletu LOL, I'm actually using Arch Linux + KDE 4.7.4 and Fedora 16 with Gnome-Shells (sic). I use Slackware on and off but as I got less time in day to day life I got lazy, lol.

[murtagh232]

when Gnome 3/ Shell and Unity came out I felt like I was in limbo as to what environment I was going to use long term because both were so different from gnome 2 but after trying out both i find that stock gnome 3/shell with docky and gnome Do is perfect seems more finished than unity haven't experienced any crashes and little features like the chat is very very useful!! i would recommend this set up I have to anyone.

[gotbletu]

@murtagh232 i concur hehe

[waynefoutz]

@blackoutworm I used to think that too, but the latest KDE is quite snappy and responsive, at least that's the case on my machine. It's pretty flexible as well. I've used xfce before, especially on low end machines, but for now, I'm happy with KDE. A year ago, I would have never considered it. I've put two panels on my desktop, and arranged everything to resemble the old Gnome 2.x desktop I've been using for years.

[gotbletu]

@waynefoutz yea most ppl think that about KDE, usually the people that donno how to use it properly, but KDE is actually very good, just too bad Kubuntu is a bad distro with many crap by default, so that reflects on KDE becuz thats usually the distro ppl use when they pick KDE

[waynefoutz]

This was my last ditch effort with Gnome-shell. I used this for two days and found it to be a chaotic mess. Switched to KDE and probably will never look back at Gnome again.

[blackoutworm]

@waynefoutz XFCE is more like gnome 2. I find KDE to be a bit slow and lack of functionality. But it's still way better than Gnome 3.

Mate it also a good alternative though, but I would wait a few months if I were you. It's still buggy and doesn't have all the functionality yet.

[gotbletu]

@waynefoutz lols another happy customer

[blackpheonix200]

@gotbletu What KDE Distro do you use

[gotbletu]

@blackpheonix200 kubuntu

[mx22a]

I tried it for while and I got my cpu going to 100% sometimes. Its a bit laggy and feels like an Alpha stuff. By other hand, Mint 10 or Kubuntu now are a lot better. The Debian Mint is good, but from time to time you need to wipe it out from your system due to somekind of weird bug...

Thanks, gotbletu

[gotbletu]

@mx22a yea is a good time to level up on your KDE skills =D

[bhigr]

Nice review!

[Videotubelord]

Linux Mint 11 was buggy, 12 also. I still use Mint 10 with latest kernel and other stuff that i just added in repos and realy don't see a reason to upgrade even if they wouldnt buggy...

[blackoutworm]

@Videotubelord Latest Kernel? Do you mean v3.1.5 or 3.2-rc5? I couldn't get any of them to work on Mint 11. Or did you recompile it or something?

[Videotubelord]

@blackoutworm I don't use any beta software, so not rc one, but 3.1.5.

I just download kernel, headers and image from kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/­mainline/

Then install in order: headers all, headers generic and image generic.

[3ombieautopilot]

Hey gotbletu, which one do you prefer - Ubuntu or Mint?

[gotbletu]

@3ombieautopilot mint

[blackoutworm]

That was a very good review!

In my opinion, I think they should cut out gnome 3 completely and just focus on Mate.

I mean, having them both is gonna give Mate less resources and such.

Besides, all the other distros use gnome 3 now.

Also, the #1 distro is still Ubuntu.

I think distrowatch's ratings are actually their site views. But ubuntu is still the only distro people you ask will know what is.

And if you google search "linux" or related, Ubuntu is still mentioned Way more often than LinuxMint

[gotbletu]

@blackoutworm Ubuntu is the popular brand no doubt, but thats changing, ppl jumping ships, stats from distrowatch were used when ubuntu was on top, not sure why ppl now say it doesnt count.

[gotbletu]

@mousegeek yea more gs extension coming, not sure if MATE will survive in the long run

[GPEART1]

I still don't understand why Gnome 2 got canned, I think its fantastic. Time to read up on that.Thanks for the review/overview.

[blackoutworm]

@GPEART1 I think it's because gnome 2 is more Windows looking. And what they want is to change that to give Windows users a reason to switch over.

But what they didn't take to account is that getting used to new things is not how you convince people to try it, unless it's easier and better than what they came from.

And gnome 3 is not easier nor better. The beautiful thing about linux is your ability to customize everything the way you want.

Such as Compiz effects, which gnome 3 takes away.

[gotbletu]

@blackoutworm gnome is gonna have better integration with there own effects, same as the kde kwin. Compiz is still king at effects but it can be buggy, such u can see with the unity integration.

[GPEART1]

@blackoutworm

Yes, I do agree about trying to get people to switch from windows.Personally, I feel Linux is now facing an uphill battle, as I really can't explain to anyone why is there a reason to switch from windows 7. I just switched to win7 myself, as I am pretty dis-heatened with the ubuntu-unity deal, it just lost me completely.I used to rave on about Ubuntu, now....silence.

[blackoutworm]

@GPEART1 I hear you Man. I feel the same way.

You shouldn't change something that already works for people just for the sake of changing. What they should focus their time and skills on is improvement, bug fixing and such.

[GPEART1]

@blackoutworm

I totally agree with you.

I dont see how unity will attract anyone to ubuntu. I think it is like an ipad interface, and I cant use it.

I call it the Vista of linux.

[tushargokhale]

@GPEART1 : You are right, even I do not see any reason to switch from Windows 7 to Linux at home. For the first time Microsoft has done a good job in Windows 7 operating system. Also at the wrong time KDE and GNome are going through a major upgrade leaving common man to question why should I switch to Linux?

[themadmonkeystudios]

@GPEART1 I installed Gnome Shell on Ubuntu and it works great!

[gotbletu]

@GPEART1 think it got too old, plus there was really not much improvements going on for it.

[JackPidwell]

@trickstarsym hardly! its the best stable user friendly linux distro. i love it! that why i want to start using debian. but there are so few tutorials and not really a user friendly distro. :)

[gotbletu]

@JackPidwell is the stock gnome without other stuff, u might need to learn which packages for drivers and codecs but is pretty much same

[JackPidwell]

number one? hardly. please do check the new pinguy os: pinguyos.com it's waay waaaayy better than this mint, concerning desktop management. it will be also a good theme for a review for you to do.

kudos

[gotbletu]

@JackPidwell never try that, but i dont think they made any apps themself, so i never think of them as a real distro. I could be wrong but atleast the mint folks made menu, update manager ..etc

[JackPidwell]

@gotbletu what im saying is: in terms of integrating shit together and turn it to friendly user desktop manager and distro, pinguy os is way much better than mint, in oh so many ways. old harcore users of gnome 2 find it much more appealing than mint's try to do such a thing. bottom line: miint is robust, safe and all that u mentioned. i agree. but so is pinguy with a much better interface than mint. period. plus, pinguy is a beta release, like stated by the dev.

[gotbletu]

@JackPidwell the interface is alright, they just use the docky dock, plus i never understood why they have a conky stats showing cpu info ..etc, isnt the distro for average joes, why would they need to know those

[scorici]

The only thing I like about Linux Mint 12 is the mate desktop. I still use Mint 9 Isadora based on Ubuntu 10.04.

[gotbletu]

@scorici waiting on options? =)

[scorici]

@gotbletu I'm waiting for the Mate DE to mature long enough. Maybe next release when the LTS is 5 years.

[gotbletu]

@scorici 5yr LTS is for ubuntu, they dont even have MATE in there repositories

[scorici]

@gotbletu But Mint is based on Ubuntu so will have 5 years support just like Ubuntu and is using mate, and probably I will go on this route. I would have gone with arch but I can't make my printer work with it from the last tries.

[JackPidwell]

@scorici another LTS fan like myself, FTW.

kudos

[PCAddictsLive]

I haven't used Linux (except for my pfSense firewall) for a while, I need to install Debian again at some point.

[gotbletu]

@PCAddictsLive create a few partitions and install