Is obvious that your comprehension about weight FIA rules is quite behind, F1 cars use ballast for to reach legal weight (640 Kg) including the driver (so driver weight make no difference). Now they have the possibility to replace the ballast for the KERS that is high tech equipment who boost the power up to 80hp for 6.67 s per lap. The lap time benefit range approximately 0.1 to 0.4s. Enough time to make the difference.
I hear they are planning on taking kers out of f1 because the weight added to the car actually doesnt effect its performance to much, Its power to weight ratio after kers kinda just wouldnt be to diff from with out it.... adding a big battery for kers is like adding a big lead weight on the car.. plus the electric motor... its just i would imagine the cars are going to be more agile with out kers.
formula one doesen't use v12 or v10? WTF... that piece of shit v8?.... god... hence the day of Formula 1 cars will have pedals for the driver to pedal the car goes ... instead of having an engine because of the environment
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Rather than using battery power to be more efficient, why not let the teams run bigger engines to increase the fuel economy at high speed. Then you could almost eliminate refuelling during races.
a bigger engine means more weight on the car, so the aerodynamics are reduced, and the tyre wear is increased. So if the KERS means problems for the teams in terms of weight, now imagine a bigger engine, you cannot say it would eliminate refueling cos' you need a bigger gas tank for that = more weight.
Like que conventional motor and it respective power weights, an electric motor and batery weights, and as sayd in video, the less fuel is compensed by the Kers power saving....
Liking or not, an eletric motor is much more efficient(internal combustion motor efficience is about 20%, if I'm not wrong ) and it's just time to be a past thing! Bad for those that like the sound and good for those concerned on POWER/TORQUE!
Actually it's about 35% efficiency for internal combustion engines, but still very bad compared to electric motors. I think there will always be a market for internal combustion even if most cars turn into hydrogen or electric.
@dualstagef1 If you made a 35% thermally efficient piston engine you would be the richest man for a thousand years. Even a 20% estimate is optimistic.
@dualstagef1 The 35% number you may have heard is an idealized efficiency. Meaning to get an efficiency of 35% it was assumed there was no friction, no loss of energy, ideal gases, no heat loss, and operating at ideal power. 35% is the limit of efficiency for a piston engine operating under perfect conditions
now its higher, 35-40 on normal engines and up to 50 on diesel engines. still not really effective. but what can you expect from a 100 year old concept ?
not only does the KERS system take up extra weight, i think i read that it decreases the amount of fuel a car can carry onboard because it takes up space from the fuel bladder
Yes. They both push the button at the same time! Something like KERS is vital for F1. It is not just about the driver, but also must include a technical challenge to the engineers.
Just watched the 1st F1 KERS race (Go Jenson!) and I think even at this early stage, it added to the racing.
wolf, all, it's not really a push-to-pass if you assume both cars have kers with similar power output. both drivers can push the button, so it becomes a game of power management across the entire circuit.
Agree'd, it'll encourage lazy racing too in my opinion. Why try and pull of some spectacular overtaking manouvre when you can wait for the first straight to come along and just hit a button. Its pathetic that formula 1 has been reduced to this!
Is obvious that your comprehension about weight FIA rules is quite behind, F1 cars use ballast for to reach legal weight (640 Kg) including the driver (so driver weight make no difference). Now they have the possibility to replace the ballast for the KERS that is high tech equipment who boost the power up to 80hp for 6.67 s per lap. The lap time benefit range approximately 0.1 to 0.4s. Enough time to make the difference.
aiod30 3 months ago
I hear they are planning on taking kers out of f1 because the weight added to the car actually doesnt effect its performance to much, Its power to weight ratio after kers kinda just wouldnt be to diff from with out it.... adding a big battery for kers is like adding a big lead weight on the car.. plus the electric motor... its just i would imagine the cars are going to be more agile with out kers.
1994toyotasupra 9 months ago
@nobusan84 ahha yeah... your right (Y) they are putting good engines out of the race...
j3rm2 10 months ago
formula one doesen't use v12 or v10? WTF... that piece of shit v8?.... god... hence the day of Formula 1 cars will have pedals for the driver to pedal the car goes ... instead of having an engine because of the environment
j3rm2 1 year ago
a bigger engine makes the car being more backseated so your aerodynamics will be other then when its more positioned towards the front.
antoniooke 2 years ago
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Rather than using battery power to be more efficient, why not let the teams run bigger engines to increase the fuel economy at high speed. Then you could almost eliminate refuelling during races.
thrillathakilla 2 years ago
a bigger engine means more weight on the car, so the aerodynamics are reduced, and the tyre wear is increased. So if the KERS means problems for the teams in terms of weight, now imagine a bigger engine, you cannot say it would eliminate refueling cos' you need a bigger gas tank for that = more weight.
rorro1189 2 years ago
weight does become an issue. but that has nothing to do with aerodynamics as you stated. it will affect handling
corotor12345 2 years ago
i think rules dont let to do so
kenisimoo 2 years ago
1. bigger engine = heavier car
2. the object is to use excess power and save for later
3. refuelling is there to increase drama
baldandold 2 years ago 2
@baldandold 3. not anymore
vbatth 1 year ago
Like que conventional motor and it respective power weights, an electric motor and batery weights, and as sayd in video, the less fuel is compensed by the Kers power saving....
Liking or not, an eletric motor is much more efficient(internal combustion motor efficience is about 20%, if I'm not wrong ) and it's just time to be a past thing! Bad for those that like the sound and good for those concerned on POWER/TORQUE!
marcelinhorsb 2 years ago
Actually it's about 35% efficiency for internal combustion engines, but still very bad compared to electric motors. I think there will always be a market for internal combustion even if most cars turn into hydrogen or electric.
dualstagef1 2 years ago 2
@dualstagef1 If you made a 35% thermally efficient piston engine you would be the richest man for a thousand years. Even a 20% estimate is optimistic.
capnapalm 1 year ago
@dualstagef1 The 35% number you may have heard is an idealized efficiency. Meaning to get an efficiency of 35% it was assumed there was no friction, no loss of energy, ideal gases, no heat loss, and operating at ideal power. 35% is the limit of efficiency for a piston engine operating under perfect conditions
capnapalm 1 year ago
@capnapalm If there were no loss in energy how would there be an energy loss of 65%?
dude2106 1 year ago
now its higher, 35-40 on normal engines and up to 50 on diesel engines. still not really effective. but what can you expect from a 100 year old concept ?
Berzerkka 2 years ago
KERS is here to stay. At least for awhile. After it becomes standard on all F1 cars in 2010. F1 will slowly increase the power output of KERS.
bambionhigh 2 years ago
not only does the KERS system take up extra weight, i think i read that it decreases the amount of fuel a car can carry onboard because it takes up space from the fuel bladder
stigissimo44 2 years ago
both drivers have the option so what's wrong with that?
ericambrosecoon 3 years ago 5
Yes. They both push the button at the same time! Something like KERS is vital for F1. It is not just about the driver, but also must include a technical challenge to the engineers.
Just watched the 1st F1 KERS race (Go Jenson!) and I think even at this early stage, it added to the racing.
TCSC47 2 years ago
wolf, all, it's not really a push-to-pass if you assume both cars have kers with similar power output. both drivers can push the button, so it becomes a game of power management across the entire circuit.
elivader27 3 years ago 2
Agree'd, it'll encourage lazy racing too in my opinion. Why try and pull of some spectacular overtaking manouvre when you can wait for the first straight to come along and just hit a button. Its pathetic that formula 1 has been reduced to this!
LesPaul789 3 years ago
Direi perfetta la posizione del kers direttamente a contatto con il serbatoio.
YodaX3 3 years ago
aye,it will defenetly change F1 Racing.2009 will be a very unique F1 season.
dimsadms 3 years ago
with kinetic energy recovery system it would be much more interesting 2009 season. forza ferrari...
pxczzz 3 years ago