Dr. Pullnam really ought to be a little bit more tempered in his comments against respected thinkers such as C.S. Lewis. Dr. Pullnam is an extremely talented and skilled author but yet his statements of views are so candid I do not believe he will ever have such a universal fan base as writers such as Tolkien. Words mean something. A good story can change the world. Don't let it come as a manifesto resurrecting an already-burned-out reaction against ancient ideals.
Not all jews have forgiven the church, SOME have not all. I am myself half mexican. The church was prosecuted because some DEISTS, many were not ATHEIST, you need to know the difference. Were upset at the church because they held to much power in goverment
@DSD1v57BG32 "when have athiests burnt people at the stake?" Are you serious this is how the conversation started stalin, hitler, Mexican government 1920s, all of the secular kingdoms before them. I'm not running from my past, so stop running from yours.
'es there was inquisitions, Yes there were times when non believers were killed, but the church did not take part in these accusations during WW2. The church stands firmly and admits something has been mismanaged. Yes there was some Popes that bought there way in and did bad things, but the church is to blame its the people that ran the church at that time.'
They didn't have photoshop 50-70 years ago, and there are plenty of pics of the pope sucking on the Reich and Mussolinis dick. Hiter state MANY times he believed in god, his nation was a catholic one, look up facism.
Most germans and italians did believe in god, and the church was pro-hilter enough said, stop trying to change the past. It is what it is.
this movie was not Anti Religion i get tired of People always attacks films saying its getting great reviews but is it Anti Christian or Anti Islam or Anti Jewish people if the movie offends you dont watch dont go out and protest and ruin a movie night for other people who have open minds
Philip Pullman said in an interview that his book is about "killing god"- actual quote. Now he has a book called the Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ. It separates the humanism of Jesus with the divine absurdity and religiousity of the Chirst image. I feel it's safe to say Pullman's books are anti-religion. He has said many times he is against organized religion. I feel like this should not be a controversial statement in the 21st century...
I don't think these books are anti religion. They merely question the lengths of these so-called "religious" people can go through in order to do what they believe is right, and it's all truthful. Sorry religious groups, but Pullman gives the truth and the truth is NEVER anti anything
I don't think these books are anti religion. They merely question the lengths of these so-called "religious" people can go through in order to do what they believe is right, and it's all truthful. Sorry religious groups, but Pullman gives the truth and the truth is NEVER anti anything
I don't think these books are anti religion. They merely question the lengths of these so-called "religious" people can go through in order to do what they believe is right, and it's all truthful. Sorry religious groups, but Pullman gives the truth and the truth is NEVER anti anything
I don't think these books are anti religion. They merely question the lengths of these so-called "religious" people can go through in order to do what they believe is right, and it's all truthful,
sorry religious groups, but Pullman gives the truth and the truth is NEVER anti anything
and those two movies who are in development like the presentator says, never came out...
it just makes me mad how some people exaggerate so much over such an awesome series/movie the makers put so much effort in making it... well part 2 and 3 ever come out? lepts hope so, but I doub it :'(
The film takes a lighter touch than the books - especially the last one probably delves into more challenge of belief. Mostly the stories tend to criticize religions (as in the organizations and power structures) more than any particular faith. Roman Catholics tend to take particular offence probably because they see a clearer reflection than some others.
@rdvqc The story, book or film, "takes a lighter touch" than I wish they do: God isn't even in it, just some old wimp who calls himself God. The book beats the reader over the head that such is the case. Pullman wimped out.
@richcapo It depends on how you want to tackle the issue. Sometimes the best approach is to provoke analytical thought rather than force feed conclusions. He does at least show that those who profess to know usually don't. You don't want to mess that theme by knowing yourself.
@rdvqc Pullman provokes zero analytical thought, in my opinion, by force feeding that the being who is killed is not God. He provides a way for his more sensitive Christian fans to get through his book without fretting themselves to death. He gives them a comfort zone. Had he, say, skewered Jesus up the ass with an inverted crucifix, that would have provoked more concepts and emotions for his readers to confront, in my opinion, but he didn't. He went a safer route instead.
@Nightmare2290 The bible effectively kills the biblical deity by its contradictions. 'All knowing' plus freewill is the mother of all oxymorons. Two opposing absolutes cannot coexist.You cannot change the known, we'd be left with predestination.
The upshot being we are totured for all eternity for being unable to change your predetermined existence. So it's utter codswallop.
@ReignRed Well, I don't completely agree with you, but I do agree mostly.
These people are far too sensitive. I am a strong Christian, and I see nothing wrong with the books! All who have "become" (aka pretended) Atheists, can damn well ffff off!
who cares catholics are child molesters who should fuck off and leave the rest of us alone where not interested in your ridiculous pathetic fairy tales
I remember the movie "The Mist" came out at around the same time as this movie and was defnitely very anti-religious yet there was no similar whining from the xtian community.
WHY ARE WE EVEN ARGUING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY! MOVIES, MUSIC, ENTERTAINMENT ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD UNITE THE WORLD AND JUST HAVE ALL OURS DIFFERENCES LEFT AISDE, SO WE CAN SIMPLY WATCH A GOOD MOVIE AND NOT ARGUE ABOUT ANY OF THIS CRAP IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW!
i love how one "anti-religion" movie comes out and those religious groups come out like headless chickens. it's like they know religion is shit and they're afraid the people might figure it out too.
@smartg159 shut up! and respect those that do believe in faith.I yet am catholic and yet read the books.And i an't care even if your comments have more thumbs ups or whatever.'Cause you're not catholic you don't know the real reasons.Cause think......if you believed in a religion and then someone comes up and corrupts it?How would you feel saying the teaching of the catholic church is bad,and calling your very own soul "daemons"?
@18Znug18 The teachings of the Catholic church are bad. You do not even have a soul. Wake up little boy. The Catholic Church is the largest employer of pedophiles in the world.
@DSD1v57BG32 athiestism wants to crash religion and get rid of it. Soviet Union/ communism destroyed just under 25,000 Orthodox Churches, and killed/ executed priests and believers. In 1920s Mexican government (athiests) refused any form of religion. It was considered the campaign to get rid of Catholicism. Mexico burnt down churches and refused any kind of worship, and executed Catholic priests and put the pictures of dead priests in the news. Hitler another atheist what did he do to the Jews?
@stang46281 No, stalin got rid of religion because it opposed the state, yes he was an atheist, but after ww2 stalin and the church made a deal, got in bed, and did it all night long. Hitler was a catholic, the church supported him. Please learn your history. During the mongol conquests in the 13th century, their empire killed over 30-60 million people, does this mean all who practice shaman-ism were evil?
@DSD1v57BG32 PLEASE learn your history! Hitler was an Athiest. Hilter had plans to destory the Vatican and burn it down. His plan was to use SS soldiers to storm the Vatican. On top of that Hitler threatened Pope Pius XII, that if he would speak out against germany, hitler would execute 300,000 jews and blame the Catholic Church. The Pope didnt listen and condemned nazism as evil empire. During the WW2 there was more jews in the Vatican than catholics.
@stang46281 Hitler hated atheistic communists. He in his book stated many times, god/jesus. The church celebrated hitlers birthday. Most germans were catholic, remember this was early 20th century Europe, most people were religius. Christians have prosecuted jews in europe of miliniia, so THIS WAS NOTHING NEW, it was just in a larger scale because of technological advancements. Hitler also prosecuted homosexuals and gypsies, because he was christian.
@DSD1v57BG32 here you go again all of you information comes from anti-catholics and athiests like you, do some research! Look at both sides of the argument. Yes the majority of germans were christians, THATS why hitler was going to pure SS nazi soldiers (which he trusted) to burn down the vatican, because he knew his regular soldiers wouldnt do it. Christianity was and is the most prescuted religion in the world. For the first 400 years christians were openly prescuted.
@stang46281 No, my facts come from reality. You are obviously brainwashed, just by reading 'Christianity was and is the most prescuted religion in the world' I can see your ignorance flow from your mouth. I would believe jews had that award. After and even during, when the roman empire became christinized, they prosecuted many jews and pagans. Even now, chirstians prosecute muslims and atheists. When have atheists burnt people at the stake?
@DSD1v57BG32 Really! OK here in the US muslims are pampered, because of the taliban misusing thier religion for terror. Muslims are sueing a Catholic University because they dont have their worship temple. Pakistan has anti-blasphime laws, and are getting rid of the Bibles. Also here in the US and europe Athiests are targeting ONLY the Catholic Church. Athiests want to have the Pope arrested. DONT get me wrong there athiests that are nice people.
@stang46281 PAMPERED? wtf, you are generalizing, Christians sued a school just because of THEIR SCIENCE BOOK, stop being so one sided, muslims and chrisitans want their religion to be tolerated. Atheists hate all religions, well not hate but the militant atheists like dawkins and hitchens have spoken out against islam AND christianity. Hitler was a catholic or atleast a diest, stalin was an atheist i dont doubt that, and the mexican goverment was DIEST NOT ATHEISTM, learn your termonology
@DSD1v57BG32 what ever man think what you want. Mexican government came out in the open said that no religion would be taught or exrcised in mexico. And your totally blind about hitler.
@stang46281I am half mexican, I think I know about my history. NO Religion doesn't mean ATHEIST, it can mean PANTHEISM OR DEISM. Hitler did believe in god, idk if he truly was a roman catholic or just pretended because his nation was. But no where does it specify that they were atheist, if you have evidence please show that says they didn't believe in GOD. -End of rant-
@EDWARDCR I never disagreed with your points.Also, it is debatable if he was catholic, though it is most likely he is one or at least a diest. I don't think religion is the most dangerous thing,It's all part of our tribalistic insitncts, that's the most dangerous thing that's ever happen to humanity, religioun is just a subgenre of it.
@DSD1v57BG32 by the way gypsies are Catholics! Im not hide anything about the church. Yes there was inquisitions, Yes there were times when non believers were killed, but the church did not take part in these accusations during WW2. The church stands firmly and admits something has been mismanaged. Yes there was some Popes that bought there way in and did bad things, but the church is to blame its the people that ran the church at that time.
@DSD1v57BG32 Why have the jewish people come out and thanked Pope Pius XII for his good deeds during the war? wouldn't it be the other way around? What about Mexico in 1920s the prescution of the Catholic Church the government (athiest) was openly killing catholics? What are going to tell me now that the Church was behind that too or what?
@DSD1v57BG32 On top of that hitler had concentration camps of just purely priests and nuns. Your getting all of your history from anti-catholics, just like the PHOTOSHOPPED pictures of the pope standing several feet away from hitler and the picture where it shows the Pope walking out hitlers meeting. Are you too old to know what photoshop is or what. Jews Rabbis have come out in the open and protecting Pope Pius XII against these false accusations.
the books were but the film was fairly cowardly in that respect. Pretty poor film as well. I doubt they could make a 2nd and 3rd film without changing the whole plot
I would like to add to my comment, to make it clear, cause of course, I will get attacked for this, but, I really don't care how much you attack me. Atheists are clearly not the norm. They tend to believe religious people are insane, however, this is what we in psychology call "projection," which is typical of people lacking a proper self-perspective, which again steps from the larger sociopathic category of mental illness of which lack of God-perception is one characteristic.
@webfulfill we dont believe ur insane we believ u 2 be foolish i only think the 1s that try 2 harm millions of ppl based on a book that was ritten who knos how long ago and than justify it by saying God told u those ppl were evil 2 be insane U i dont find insane i just find U stupid and not well educated
I would like to add to my comment, to make it clear, cause of course, I will get attacked for this, but, I really don't care how much you attack me. Atheists are clearly not the norm. They tend to believe religious people are insane, however, this is what we in psychology call "projection," which is typical of people lacking a proper self-perspective, which again steps from the larger sociopathic category of mental illness of which lack of God-perception is one characteristic.
it is oposite, dear. that is what atheists want to tell u. u live in that "projection".
u dont have any personality. all those "norms" dictate how to live your life. that is what u all lunatics have to understand. remove a bible from between your ears, and i got u cryin like a helpless child. u better choose the right god's heaven. dzeus's one could be the rightest one. u never know. lunaticism is goin to an end. hurry man, find yourself. be creative. be free, u "norma".
I'm a Christian and I don't see why this movie is anti-Christian. I guess its all how you take it. A true Christian can withstand any attack upon his faith and come out stronger thereby.
@woudyman2 did u read the books? they r very clearly atheist not theist and ill tellu y :in the 3rd book the Amber Spyglass Balthamos explains 2 Will that the Authority is not God but relly the 1st creation 2 pop out of the big bang and he basically claimed that evrything coming aftr him was created by him and there 4 owed him there worship so its not theist cuz there not killing God cuz Gods not real there only killing some asshole who claims 2 be there creator
I am quite awake and thinking very clearly. Since the most intelligent, accomplished and powerful people do believe in God, I would say I am in good hands here and definitely in noway insane. Insane would be defined as being outside the norm, which would be you? You have to realize to religious or spiritual people, atheists appear very insane and do have a lot of sociapathic symptoms of disease.
religious person describes himself when talks about atheists. they tend to name that stupidity why they r religious. it is kinda defensive act again themselves. what can u expect from a person who believes in fuck knows which god in the same way that he could believe in a chinese teapot flying around the moon. wtf world is this? lunatic paradise. its like a pc game "resident evil". should say - resident lunaticism. they r like these zombies in a game
@webfulfill and let me gess ur a white male? im atheist and im not insane and btw like they say in Alice in Wonderland all the best people are and also wat ahteists hav created cults or holocausts or started wars? none thats done by arguing religions
I backslid into Christianity from a sort of nominal existentialism when I realized the logical conclusion of atheism was completely irrational.
It is not logical to believe that human society and consciousness came from random big bang. That is not to say that the big bang didn't happen, it is just that big bangs generally do not result in little groups of complex organism forming on small planets in backwater galaxies. Also seeing my fellow Christians be changed in their faith is compelling.
wow your understanding of the big bang is SADLY misinterpreted
the big bang only describes the infancy of the formation of the universe...abiogenesis describes the formation of RNA (which has already been demonstrated in laboratory) from non-living random organic matter in the environment of the primordial earth.
Religion is simply a fall-back from a lack of education leading you to a false understanding of scientific principle
Meh, you have no clue what I understand and don't understand, you are jumping to extremely silly conclusion because you lack a basic desire and ability to share ideas with others. This is a deficiency I would seriously look at fixing bro.
I never, ever suggested that anyone believes life began at the big bang. Please learn how to discuss issues in good faith.
in fact this gross misinterpretation of what the big bang is, and a lack of knowledge of the fact that the concept of abiogenesis has already been PROVEN viable is most troubling. Ignorance is the key to following religion.
Maybe if you actually read the peer-reviewed literature you would be aware of studies such as the one completed this past may that proved RNA can form by itself...and further literature describing how RNA creates living organisms and proteins...
I think the idea that abiogenesis has been proven as viable would be news to the scientific community. Even if it was, that hardly would change my mind on God. A universe that can not only support such a process of life creation, let alone see it happen, is a marvel unto itself; which is what I was trying to say earlier...
Forgive my clearly neanderthal beliefs, but I do not think that virtual particles spontaneously generated over eternity and ten banged into what we have now on their own.
human "consciousness" is only a state of awareness of SOME of your mental processes. Electrophysiology can explain consciousness more than you probably realize. Human Society is merely a byproduct of our evolutionary path as a species that is more likely to survive when living together. Add in opposable thumbs, frontal lobes, and a few extra neurotransmitters and you have a species that can participate in complex processing and task functioning greater than any other species.
I realize that TLG, I graduated college, I am sure you did as well. You missed the point, even the fact that a dynamic evolutionary process exists is strong evidence that there is a God. Do you realize that if gravity were just a little stronger in comparison to the attraction in subatomic particles that this beautiful evolutionary process you talk about would be likely impossible.
The best the existentialist has to hope for is the death of human kind, were the rocks will not remember us.
another illogical assumption....evolution is simply a byproduct of the fact that there are limited resources and that the replication of RNA and DNA can involve the formation of random mutations, which therefore includes the statistical certainty that a suitable adaptation will occur
your hypothesis of gravity is completely mistaken as well....there are many planets in the universe, we have identified several with conditions similar to earth...
its a statistical certainty that out of the billions of planets out there (if not trillions), there will be a few that have the gravitational and atmospheric conditions necessary for life.
We exist HERE because this planet happened to have suitable conditions for life. Otherwise life would be on a different planet that had conditions suitable for life.
don't mistake your college degree for an understanding of scientific principle....it means absolutely nothing
unless you graduated with a degree in biology or at least biological sciences you have no more expertise than the layman on the subject. I suggest you actually research the facts before you make sensational claims about evolution, gravity, human conciousness and abiogenesis that make you look more foolish than your intellect deserves
there is no mystery here....you just haven't taken the time to learn what we already know.
However say you were right and science got it all wrong...how does that prove christianity is correct? Many religions existed before the middle-eastern monotheistic religions, such as greek and roman religions now deemed mythology. The greeks had a story of a flood identical to noah's flood...but poseidon was responsible. Prometheus was strikingly similar to jesus. And their mythology was written
I do not think that other cultures collaborating with the Hebrew culture's oral tradition hurts Judaism in the least. I actually felt that it elevated the Torah, just imho.
Also, the oral tradition on which Judaism is based is far older than Moses Just because we no longer have the physical evidence of it, does not mean that it is likely from a historical perspective to have existed.
It is highly likely that a real patriarchal heritage had to be in place for the Hebrew people to unite around.
a good 400 years (minimum) before the old testament by even conservative estimates.
Jumping to the conclusion that if science does not have a viable explanation for an event, that a supernatural being must have done it is far from a logical thought process. It is extremely irrational behavior, and is precisely why most scientists (over 99%) do not believe in religion (or at least take it seriously).
I would say it is more likely zeus & poseidon are real and christianity is misinterpretation
this world is not totally deluded. there is a hope. unite!
sadly, we live in a such stupid deluded world that makes us show to people how stupid they r. but soon a big change will come. now religious stupidity is obvious to many people. unite! spread zeitgeist!
Please read my other posts. There is no hope for Atheists. Firstly, science is proving that God does exist, and this is why Einstein, Newton and many other very intelligent people do believe in God. If you can answer the question, what is consciousness, I would be happy to listen. But I have a 39 year head start on you, and the answer is that it is primary and embedded in reality. God is the ultimate source. People are a lot smarter than you think and I am afraid, you are the deluded one.
@webfulfill i also hate wen ppl say that oh u poor ahteists theres no hope 4 u just shos u think ur bettr then us wich is kinda wat religion is isnt it? the fals illusion that ur imaginary friend in the clouds will pick ur faith over so many others becuz urs is better thats a pious and assholish belief in ANY religion with all due respect
@JuggalocodeChile1988 What do you think happens when you die? Is it all over? It's just the end? What is life for then, What is the meaning of Life, Why do we all Live? For what purpose. Hmm?
really now. sure.... explain how the earth and or universe were created out of nothing. explain how civilization today has evolved. exactly i didnt think you could.
The point Pullman really makes is that the god/authority does not tolerate the impulsive nature of humans and would prefer them to be brainless zombies by sucking all the dark matter out of them. So yeah, his dark materials are anti-religion because he is anti-oppression.
What is interesting is that God could do it on whim, which is the problem I have with Pullman's argument. CS Lewis deals with this really well in a lot of his books, especially Screwtape Letters and the Great Divorce. If you want to take the argument of Pullman though and set it against the best CS Lewis gave, Perelandra is what you need to read.
HDM and Perelandra both deal in part with original sin as a concept, and Lewis has a really good explanation on the Christian side of the issue.
@chukmaty CS Lewis was also a racist sexist and religiously intolerant asshole and u do realize that both Douglas Adams and Philip Pullman r admitted Atheists rite? and that there is NO GOD in his dark materials but an authority being the 1st living creature 2 come out of the Big Bang (wich u claim is fake) and then claimed evrything aftr him was made by him and shood therfor worship him
CS Lewis had some of the coolest female characters in any book I have read. Acknowledging that men and women are different is certainly not politically correct but hardly sexist.
He married a Jew, so he is not a racist, and some of his most heroic characters are essentially the Narnian version of Arabs, his message is that good an evil transcends race and nation. Narnian humans may have been light skinned Englishmen, but that was because they came from England, not racism.
@chukmaty ill ask u this :ys the white witch hafta be a witch and not a wizard? ys Lucy the healer and not peter or edmund? and btw Judaism is a religion not a race
Okay, wait until I get my notebook, gotta jot this down...
Female villains makes authors sexist. Female's who heal are also indicators of sexism of the authors whenever they are characters in a book. Yea, dude, those were pretty horrible examples.
Also, I did not say CS Lewis married someone who practiced the faith of Judaism, he married a Jew, a Christian Jew who was formerly an atheist. Jew is a word which can indicate a race, it comes from the Kingdom of Judea.
The Kingdom of Judea was the roman province which covered much of the old land of Judah which was named after the primary tribe remaining after the Assyrians took away the 10 tribes of the Kingdom of Israel.
Also, Pulman and Douglas are clearly trying to demean the idea of God and Christianity by placing tragic or comical frauds in His place. Just like Monte Python was trying to demean Christ in Life of Brian. I think we are smart enough to realize this.
All that said, I am really liking HDM as I am reading it, I love Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy which ironically was one of the books that initiated my backslide back into Christianity as a believer.
I haven't read the books you mentioned, only the Narnia series which I really loved when I was younger.
But Pullman only talked about the authority which in the book was the spirit of the first human. So he was putting the power that one may attribute to god into the hands of a human; humans are not perfect, not without sin as the bible teaches. So the that character could have done it on a whim. cont--
@notyou009 i read the books and ur rong 1st:Angels r real in the books but ther beings of supermatr in other words extreme humans 2nd:The Authority is the 1st ANGELor living being 2 com out of mattr and claimed he created evrything aftrward and told ppl they shood worship him
most atheists see humans as the heads of churches with all the worldly power, not gods. So organized religion is therefore a human institution with worldly sins etc.
Unless you believe the pope, for example, has a straight link with god, in which case I would seriously mark you as dillusional.
@TheGIRROX NO he isnt god. I know. I didn't claim he was god. He is a spirit/being whatever.... with human characteristics such as greed...exemplified by his false claiming of the creation of the world etc.
btw: it's kind lame to respond to an 8 month old comment.......
However the Torah is talking about the God of Job and Melchizedek... a God whose believers talked about in an oral tradition which far precedes Judaism and the Torah. This God is expressed in every way as omniscient, non elemental/temporal, and yet very relational.
Job and Genesis do a lot to set Yahweh apart from the pagan view of deity which is non transcendent.
Genesis for example has a creation story which places light and life before sun, this is a key difference with Sumerian worship.
Um, no. The existence of the Sumerians shows that the beliefs of Abraham were very distinct compared to his culture just as the beliefs and message of Moses was very destinct from teh beliefs and traditions of the Egyptians.
Also you assume 3 things.
-That Bishop Ushers chronology is accurate, which it probably isn't.
-That the Biblical history before Abraham is literal, I don't think it is.
-That the six day creation was not figurative in the same sense the Hebrew prophecy was.
so if the bible isn't literal why do you follow what it says?
If all of creation, the talking snake, the creation of eve from adam's rib, this was all figurative, why do you assume ANYTHING can be read and interpreted? Why follow it at all then. What gives YOU the unique understanding of what is literal and what is not in the bible?
"so if the bible isn't literal why do you follow what it says?"
I do not think that Christ is coming back as a lamb with seven horns. It never intended that I do, it is called being figurative. Something figurative can explain something which is true.
Hebrew prophecy spoke of Christ in a figurative way. Using terms like "cornerstone" to describe what he would mean to the Jewish people and their faith, how he would be what they hope was built on.
see what you are doing is the same thing people do when they look at an abstract painting. you see what you want to see. the bible means exactly what YOU want it to mean. You will continue to follow circular logic, ignoring all contradictory evidence against you.
You're obviously an intelligent person, its sad that you haven't been able to break free from illogical and irrational behavior that religion encourages.
Ummm, no. Not at all. I cannot believe you would read my comments and come away with that idea. It is pretty clear when someone is writing figuratively, conclusion can arise when we are dealing with a particularly ancient part of a whole text because we have to interpret it against the whole body of work, but even then we can make reasonable conclusions about its intent.
And I did "break free" for a while. While I never openly left religion, intellectually I had to go through a redefining.
lol at my computers spell checker. Replace "conclusion" with "confusion." Sorry and thanks.
I have to go to bed, I have work tomorrow. I hope to continue this conversation with you later. I think I could do a better job explaining my thoughts as your responses do not seem to correlate with my comments. I will work on that, until then, peace man ;)
Faith is living your entire life around a 3500 year old book that may or may not be historically accurate, is definitely not literal, and has been proved illogical, irrational, and describes an angry vengeful god that claims women are inferior (and in fact justifies their beating), condones slavery, implies stoning children is proper punishment....
I did see Zeitgeist and the evidence was hardly convincing at all that Jesus was not a real man. In fact, this only validated many Christians beliefs that Jesus Christ is in fact an eternal God whose substance is in the very fabric of the universe and has been around since the beginning of time. This is evidenced over and over again. Atheism is not an enlightened point of view, but rather a very small and shrinking mental deficiency. This is fun, isn't it?
@webfulfill u mean like santa clause is the spirit of christmas? oh.....wate santas not real ether but a talking snake a man that can heal the blind by touching them and rising from the dead like a friggin zombie is hmmmm.....
@TheLostGuitarist No faith can be disproved. Faith is a Belief, nobody can disprove Beliefs. And btw, the Bible is for Interpretation and you don't look deep enough to see what it's actually saying, If Sherlock Holmes just looked at something and just believed what was written on it, he wouldn't of gotten anywhere.
@xxXToushirouXxx Of course thats what they believed at the time. Thats what athiests believed at the time too. Things change obvousily. But the Bible has some really good moral messages and views, people need to ignore the bad (for that time it wasa way of life) and look at all the good.
Genesis is a tough nut, it is based on the oral history of the ancestors of the Hebrew people up until Moses and his successor Joseph as they first established the nation of Israel in what was then Canaan.
Personally I think that, like prophecy in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentation, Ezekiel, and Daniel; much of the Genesis narrative is figurative and based on an ancient (even in the time of Moses it would be thousands of years old) oral tradition.
You realize it can be the word of God and still be written by men, right?
If you were God, speaking to an ancient bronze age civilization... I would not try to explain virtual particles and dark energy (or whatever it is that seems to be pushing the universe ever outward). I would try instead to explain in terms they would understand, that I was over all nature and that I was the source of light and life... in direct contradiction to Summerian worship and basic hunger based religions.
if the bible is just transcribed oral history, what makes you think it wasn't altered? What if any proof is there that any part of it is anything more than fictional literature?
Moses would not likely have been able to make the whole thing up, though he certainly could edit parts. However, the Judaic faith is not based on the events predating the exodus or even the claimed personal experiences of Moses (such as the burning bush). They are based on the miracles that transpired directly before and during he exodus from Egypt. If the events of the Exodus did not happen, there is no Judaism, while if Moses exaggerated the burning bush, practically nothing changes.
nothing changes...except for the fact that he never actually spoke to god and therefore the supernatural elements of the old testament are fictitious, making it a "tall-tale" account of history.
you also do realize there is no evidence of the jewish people being enslaved in egypt. I was brought up jewish...I believed it for a long time that this was true, but when seeking the evidence of the enslavement and exodus of the jewish people, I found there was none. An entire race just got up and led a mass exodus out of egypt without leaving a trace of evidence behind? hard to believe
Taking my knowledge of ancient religion, I applied to reading the Torah and found the whole story of Moses filled with hidden symbology with matches too closely to Yoga texts. The enslavement was symbolic, Moses was what Hindus very accurately classify as a Nirbikalpa Samadhi Yogi and possibly Avatar. The story was embelished into a law book by the Levitcal Priests, most likely who probably did not fundamentally understand Moses or they purposely dumbed it down for the masses.
"Moses was what Hindus very accurately classify as a Nirbikalpa Samadhi Yogi and possibly Avata. The story was embelished into a law book by the Levitcal Priests, most likely who probably did not fundamentally understand Moses or they purposely dumbed it down for the masses."
Yes, because there is no chance in hell that your Moses is a dumbed down version of some guy from some other random religion. Is there?
Oh, define Random religion? If you are a Zeitgeist fan, then you should really look more deeply into Religion. Behind religion is a deep science of reality that I think most people simply do not need to prove, because their instincts are correct. People are a lot smarter than you give them credit. But I think you are using a different standard to define intelligence. You really have no psychological training of any kind, huh?
Um, why would I be a fan of zeitgeist - a poorly researched political propaganda movie talking to peoples fears rather than their intellect?
I am sorry to have to break it too you. Peoples instincts are not enough in our daily lives and even less when investigating nature. We humans are particularly BAD at judging probabilities and randomness. We are also extremely bad at thinking outside of the box and curbing our biases. Scientific training helps in this respect.
Since I do not have any "psychological training" according to you, I suppose it I shouldn't be giving tips on informative reading material related to psychology, science and math to someone as "informed" as yourself (?)
Here is your course:
Start with "In Search of Schrodingers cat" by John Gribbin. It briefly introduces you to the quantum physics - a world stranger than anything imagined in any religion.
Next read Michael Shermer's "Why do people belive weird things?".
It gives you a brief discussion on why we believe the things we do and why we keep defending certain ideas even though they do not stand up to evidence.
After that I would suggest either "A drunkard's walk" by Leonard Mlodinov or "The Black Swan" by Nassim Taleb. They discuss the limitations of the intuition you are so proud about and what we can do about it.
After these three reads you will be better equipped to tackle your deep questions.
@TheLostGuitarist u make a valid point that iv been considering for yrs now hell giv it a cupple of centuries and ppl mite be worshiping His Dark Materials insted of the bible
So what if it's anti-religion? I LOVED the books, and felt joyful that my humanist liberty-loving beliefs had some expression in a children's series. I read the Narnia books many, many times through my life, which are very, very pro-religion (annoyingly so), and loved them too. Let kids read a variety of viewpoints, worded at an age-appropriate level, and make up their own minds. If your religion has something true and meaningful to say, then it'll stand up to the scrutiny. If not, so be it.
Two questions @ the video... Firstly, most of the bible's main stories are evolutions of pre-existing myths about messiahs and demons and gods in other cultures, it is not original by any stretch of the imagination. It's also quite long and covers a wide range of subjects - pretty much anything can be claimed to be be based on it... Are they going to whinge about every zombie movie or armageddon movie too? :P
Second, why is Daniel Craig dressed like a schoolboy? O.o
The only difference is that Narnia is written by C.S Lewis, a devout Christian and Northern Lights (Golden Compass) is written by an intelligent writer Phillip Pullman, who happens to be a non-believer.
Yeah, I'm aware that Lewis intended Narnia to be a christian allegory, though I still thoroughly enjoyed the BBC series as a kid.
I guess this was partly because it was a much more competent & coherent narrative than the bible (it probably benefited by being written in one person's lifetime by one person, for starters), and also the fact that it wasn't being passed off as anything but entertaining fiction.
Leaving out the biblical rapes & baby-killing probably also helped keep it palatable. ;)
I agree with you but there is a huge difference between Narnia and Northern Lights/Golden Compass - Narnia was all about obeying the authority and GC totally opposite.
You are absolutely right. Even the first GC was plagued with problems. It's a shame because the second part would have been so much better than the first one. In fact, the meat of the novel, is the second part.
The bible does not seek to be original, it is openly based on an oral tradition, one which is based on events that all oral traditions are based on. This oral tradition is old, the similarities are of no importance as all religions should share them as they are often based on the same things which likely occurred or are based on themes before or on the cusp of recorded history. The differences matter, the differences are immense and should be the focus.
Erm, it's a work of fiction. Anything can happen in fiction by definition. If an author wishes to include his own beliefs or questions in such a work then great. It allows a questioning of ones own personal point of view with ideas that may not have been considered before. This is the basis for reasoning.
If fiction is enough to shatter ones world view, then that world view is obviously flawed.
religion? its a fucking kids movie...
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ChroniclesofMundoria 3 weeks ago
Dr. Pullnam really ought to be a little bit more tempered in his comments against respected thinkers such as C.S. Lewis. Dr. Pullnam is an extremely talented and skilled author but yet his statements of views are so candid I do not believe he will ever have such a universal fan base as writers such as Tolkien. Words mean something. A good story can change the world. Don't let it come as a manifesto resurrecting an already-burned-out reaction against ancient ideals.
lionheart95100 1 month ago
@lionheart95100 what?
redryan20000 1 month ago
Not all jews have forgiven the church, SOME have not all. I am myself half mexican. The church was prosecuted because some DEISTS, many were not ATHEIST, you need to know the difference. Were upset at the church because they held to much power in goverment
DSD1v57BG32 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 "when have athiests burnt people at the stake?" Are you serious this is how the conversation started stalin, hitler, Mexican government 1920s, all of the secular kingdoms before them. I'm not running from my past, so stop running from yours.
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'es there was inquisitions, Yes there were times when non believers were killed, but the church did not take part in these accusations during WW2. The church stands firmly and admits something has been mismanaged. Yes there was some Popes that bought there way in and did bad things, but the church is to blame its the people that ran the church at that time.'
You can say that about ANY religion....
DSD1v57BG32 2 months ago
They didn't have photoshop 50-70 years ago, and there are plenty of pics of the pope sucking on the Reich and Mussolinis dick. Hiter state MANY times he believed in god, his nation was a catholic one, look up facism.
Most germans and italians did believe in god, and the church was pro-hilter enough said, stop trying to change the past. It is what it is.
DSD1v57BG32 2 months ago
this movie was not Anti Religion i get tired of People always attacks films saying its getting great reviews but is it Anti Christian or Anti Islam or Anti Jewish people if the movie offends you dont watch dont go out and protest and ruin a movie night for other people who have open minds
Joeyal123 2 months ago
Religion has screwed it up so bad that they are not going to make the squeal. Pretty sorry state of affairs.
wizard970 2 months ago
Philip Pullman said in an interview that his book is about "killing god"- actual quote. Now he has a book called the Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ. It separates the humanism of Jesus with the divine absurdity and religiousity of the Chirst image. I feel it's safe to say Pullman's books are anti-religion. He has said many times he is against organized religion. I feel like this should not be a controversial statement in the 21st century...
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I don't think these books are anti religion. They merely question the lengths of these so-called "religious" people can go through in order to do what they believe is right, and it's all truthful. Sorry religious groups, but Pullman gives the truth and the truth is NEVER anti anything
SuperHeroMania 4 months ago
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I don't think these books are anti religion. They merely question the lengths of these so-called "religious" people can go through in order to do what they believe is right, and it's all truthful. Sorry religious groups, but Pullman gives the truth and the truth is NEVER anti anything
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I don't think these books are anti religion. They merely question the lengths of these so-called "religious" people can go through in order to do what they believe is right, and it's all truthful. Sorry religious groups, but Pullman gives the truth and the truth is NEVER anti anything
SuperHeroMania 4 months ago
I don't think these books are anti religion. They merely question the lengths of these so-called "religious" people can go through in order to do what they believe is right, and it's all truthful,
sorry religious groups, but Pullman gives the truth and the truth is NEVER anti anything
SuperHeroMania 4 months ago
Instead of asking what is my relationship to god, one should ask, what is my relationship to dust for a change.
Rainfish14 5 months ago
and those two movies who are in development like the presentator says, never came out...
it just makes me mad how some people exaggerate so much over such an awesome series/movie the makers put so much effort in making it... well part 2 and 3 ever come out? lepts hope so, but I doub it :'(
10animallover10 5 months ago
The film takes a lighter touch than the books - especially the last one probably delves into more challenge of belief. Mostly the stories tend to criticize religions (as in the organizations and power structures) more than any particular faith. Roman Catholics tend to take particular offence probably because they see a clearer reflection than some others.
rdvqc 8 months ago
@rdvqc The story, book or film, "takes a lighter touch" than I wish they do: God isn't even in it, just some old wimp who calls himself God. The book beats the reader over the head that such is the case. Pullman wimped out.
richcapo 8 months ago
@richcapo It depends on how you want to tackle the issue. Sometimes the best approach is to provoke analytical thought rather than force feed conclusions. He does at least show that those who profess to know usually don't. You don't want to mess that theme by knowing yourself.
rdvqc 8 months ago
@rdvqc Pullman provokes zero analytical thought, in my opinion, by force feeding that the being who is killed is not God. He provides a way for his more sensitive Christian fans to get through his book without fretting themselves to death. He gives them a comfort zone. Had he, say, skewered Jesus up the ass with an inverted crucifix, that would have provoked more concepts and emotions for his readers to confront, in my opinion, but he didn't. He went a safer route instead.
richcapo 8 months ago
I may be 14 but how dare they kill the Lord our God!!
Nightmare2290 9 months ago
@Nightmare2290 The bible effectively kills the biblical deity by its contradictions. 'All knowing' plus freewill is the mother of all oxymorons. Two opposing absolutes cannot coexist.You cannot change the known, we'd be left with predestination.
The upshot being we are totured for all eternity for being unable to change your predetermined existence. So it's utter codswallop.
Valthepixie 8 months ago
@Nightmare2290 They didn't. God's not even in the book.
richcapo 8 months ago
@ReignRed Well, I don't completely agree with you, but I do agree mostly.
These people are far too sensitive. I am a strong Christian, and I see nothing wrong with the books! All who have "become" (aka pretended) Atheists, can damn well ffff off!
Heathertrelawney 10 months ago
No, it damn well isn't so bog off all who say so!!!!
Heathertrelawney 10 months ago
who cares catholics are child molesters who should fuck off and leave the rest of us alone where not interested in your ridiculous pathetic fairy tales
mcdinkity 11 months ago
I remember the movie "The Mist" came out at around the same time as this movie and was defnitely very anti-religious yet there was no similar whining from the xtian community.
loner1878 1 year ago
How the fuck was this movie "anti-religious"?
I saw it a long time ago & This the first I've heard about this nonsense.
Fucking cry baby christians just NEED to bitch & moan about something...
Praise Jesus in the butt!
Damn good movie too.
Zentz29 1 year ago
WHY ARE WE EVEN ARGUING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY! MOVIES, MUSIC, ENTERTAINMENT ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD UNITE THE WORLD AND JUST HAVE ALL OURS DIFFERENCES LEFT AISDE, SO WE CAN SIMPLY WATCH A GOOD MOVIE AND NOT ARGUE ABOUT ANY OF THIS CRAP IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW!
hyt243 1 year ago
i love how one "anti-religion" movie comes out and those religious groups come out like headless chickens. it's like they know religion is shit and they're afraid the people might figure it out too.
2244blahblahblah 1 year ago
@ProjectDecade i think she's catholic.
2244blahblahblah 1 year ago
The author doesn't believe god and I hate him.
megablade3331 1 year ago
@megablade3331 Thats awfully shallow.
Damob47 1 year ago
Hollywood is a Anti-Religion PR-campaign, Masonic satanic scum!!!
MrRobokoper 1 year ago
Atheism gives us creativity
TafHunter 1 year ago 2
@TafHunter it relly does no atheists no good books
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
religion=bullshit
smartg159 1 year ago 18
@smartg159 shut up! and respect those that do believe in faith.I yet am catholic and yet read the books.And i an't care even if your comments have more thumbs ups or whatever.'Cause you're not catholic you don't know the real reasons.Cause think......if you believed in a religion and then someone comes up and corrupts it?How would you feel saying the teaching of the catholic church is bad,and calling your very own soul "daemons"?
18Znug18 4 months ago
@18Znug18 The teachings of the Catholic church are bad. You do not even have a soul. Wake up little boy. The Catholic Church is the largest employer of pedophiles in the world.
wizard970 2 months ago
Debating whether or not The Golden Compass is anti-religious is just pointless. If it is anti-religious, then that's a good thing anyway.
orangefan9 1 year ago
So they can make films bashing atheism, but when there is a film bashing religion, the want to boycott?????????
HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago 7
@DSD1v57BG32 athiestism wants to crash religion and get rid of it. Soviet Union/ communism destroyed just under 25,000 Orthodox Churches, and killed/ executed priests and believers. In 1920s Mexican government (athiests) refused any form of religion. It was considered the campaign to get rid of Catholicism. Mexico burnt down churches and refused any kind of worship, and executed Catholic priests and put the pictures of dead priests in the news. Hitler another atheist what did he do to the Jews?
stang46281 2 months ago
@stang46281 No, stalin got rid of religion because it opposed the state, yes he was an atheist, but after ww2 stalin and the church made a deal, got in bed, and did it all night long. Hitler was a catholic, the church supported him. Please learn your history. During the mongol conquests in the 13th century, their empire killed over 30-60 million people, does this mean all who practice shaman-ism were evil?
DSD1v57BG32 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 PLEASE learn your history! Hitler was an Athiest. Hilter had plans to destory the Vatican and burn it down. His plan was to use SS soldiers to storm the Vatican. On top of that Hitler threatened Pope Pius XII, that if he would speak out against germany, hitler would execute 300,000 jews and blame the Catholic Church. The Pope didnt listen and condemned nazism as evil empire. During the WW2 there was more jews in the Vatican than catholics.
stang46281 2 months ago
@stang46281 Hitler hated atheistic communists. He in his book stated many times, god/jesus. The church celebrated hitlers birthday. Most germans were catholic, remember this was early 20th century Europe, most people were religius. Christians have prosecuted jews in europe of miliniia, so THIS WAS NOTHING NEW, it was just in a larger scale because of technological advancements. Hitler also prosecuted homosexuals and gypsies, because he was christian.
DSD1v57BG32 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 here you go again all of you information comes from anti-catholics and athiests like you, do some research! Look at both sides of the argument. Yes the majority of germans were christians, THATS why hitler was going to pure SS nazi soldiers (which he trusted) to burn down the vatican, because he knew his regular soldiers wouldnt do it. Christianity was and is the most prescuted religion in the world. For the first 400 years christians were openly prescuted.
stang46281 2 months ago
@stang46281 No, my facts come from reality. You are obviously brainwashed, just by reading 'Christianity was and is the most prescuted religion in the world' I can see your ignorance flow from your mouth. I would believe jews had that award. After and even during, when the roman empire became christinized, they prosecuted many jews and pagans. Even now, chirstians prosecute muslims and atheists. When have atheists burnt people at the stake?
DSD1v57BG32 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 Really! OK here in the US muslims are pampered, because of the taliban misusing thier religion for terror. Muslims are sueing a Catholic University because they dont have their worship temple. Pakistan has anti-blasphime laws, and are getting rid of the Bibles. Also here in the US and europe Athiests are targeting ONLY the Catholic Church. Athiests want to have the Pope arrested. DONT get me wrong there athiests that are nice people.
stang46281 2 months ago
@stang46281 PAMPERED? wtf, you are generalizing, Christians sued a school just because of THEIR SCIENCE BOOK, stop being so one sided, muslims and chrisitans want their religion to be tolerated. Atheists hate all religions, well not hate but the militant atheists like dawkins and hitchens have spoken out against islam AND christianity. Hitler was a catholic or atleast a diest, stalin was an atheist i dont doubt that, and the mexican goverment was DIEST NOT ATHEISTM, learn your termonology
DSD1v57BG32 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 what ever man think what you want. Mexican government came out in the open said that no religion would be taught or exrcised in mexico. And your totally blind about hitler.
stang46281 2 months ago
@stang46281I am half mexican, I think I know about my history. NO Religion doesn't mean ATHEIST, it can mean PANTHEISM OR DEISM. Hitler did believe in god, idk if he truly was a roman catholic or just pretended because his nation was. But no where does it specify that they were atheist, if you have evidence please show that says they didn't believe in GOD. -End of rant-
DSD1v57BG32 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 Hitler was a Roman Catholic
EDWARDCR 1 month ago
@EDWARDCR That's debatable. Can't really trust what politicians say.
DSD1v57BG32 1 month ago
@DSD1v57BG32 1st thats lame, he was a catholic, end of story.
2nd saying Hitler was an atheist is false, and even if he was thats not a reason to say atheism is bad you stupid fucking troll.
3rd Religion is the most dangerous thing happen to humanity, look at Islamic countries and remember what was done during the holy inquisition
EDWARDCR 1 month ago
@EDWARDCR I never disagreed with your points.Also, it is debatable if he was catholic, though it is most likely he is one or at least a diest. I don't think religion is the most dangerous thing,It's all part of our tribalistic insitncts, that's the most dangerous thing that's ever happen to humanity, religioun is just a subgenre of it.
DSD1v57BG32 1 month ago
@DSD1v57BG32 by the way gypsies are Catholics! Im not hide anything about the church. Yes there was inquisitions, Yes there were times when non believers were killed, but the church did not take part in these accusations during WW2. The church stands firmly and admits something has been mismanaged. Yes there was some Popes that bought there way in and did bad things, but the church is to blame its the people that ran the church at that time.
stang46281 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 Why have the jewish people come out and thanked Pope Pius XII for his good deeds during the war? wouldn't it be the other way around? What about Mexico in 1920s the prescution of the Catholic Church the government (athiest) was openly killing catholics? What are going to tell me now that the Church was behind that too or what?
stang46281 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 On top of that hitler had concentration camps of just purely priests and nuns. Your getting all of your history from anti-catholics, just like the PHOTOSHOPPED pictures of the pope standing several feet away from hitler and the picture where it shows the Pope walking out hitlers meeting. Are you too old to know what photoshop is or what. Jews Rabbis have come out in the open and protecting Pope Pius XII against these false accusations.
stang46281 2 months ago
@DSD1v57BG32 The Catholic Church does not hide its past.
stang46281 2 months ago
the books were but the film was fairly cowardly in that respect. Pretty poor film as well. I doubt they could make a 2nd and 3rd film without changing the whole plot
rulebrittaniaPTBB 1 year ago
I would like to add to my comment, to make it clear, cause of course, I will get attacked for this, but, I really don't care how much you attack me. Atheists are clearly not the norm. They tend to believe religious people are insane, however, this is what we in psychology call "projection," which is typical of people lacking a proper self-perspective, which again steps from the larger sociopathic category of mental illness of which lack of God-perception is one characteristic.
webfulfill 1 year ago
@webfulfill we dont believe ur insane we believ u 2 be foolish i only think the 1s that try 2 harm millions of ppl based on a book that was ritten who knos how long ago and than justify it by saying God told u those ppl were evil 2 be insane U i dont find insane i just find U stupid and not well educated
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
I would like to add to my comment, to make it clear, cause of course, I will get attacked for this, but, I really don't care how much you attack me. Atheists are clearly not the norm. They tend to believe religious people are insane, however, this is what we in psychology call "projection," which is typical of people lacking a proper self-perspective, which again steps from the larger sociopathic category of mental illness of which lack of God-perception is one characteristic.
webfulfill 1 year ago
@webfulfill
it is oposite, dear. that is what atheists want to tell u. u live in that "projection".
u dont have any personality. all those "norms" dictate how to live your life. that is what u all lunatics have to understand. remove a bible from between your ears, and i got u cryin like a helpless child. u better choose the right god's heaven. dzeus's one could be the rightest one. u never know. lunaticism is goin to an end. hurry man, find yourself. be creative. be free, u "norma".
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
@webfulfill im really sorry for u.
children were born without any religious doctrinations.
some of them will "not be lucky" to meet people like u. so they will "go to hell".
to which god's hell? wake a fuck up! its a shame to breathe the same air with u.
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
I'm a Christian and I don't see why this movie is anti-Christian. I guess its all how you take it. A true Christian can withstand any attack upon his faith and come out stronger thereby.
webfulfill 1 year ago
well the books are against any kind of organized religions, inmy opinion even atheism
woudyman2 1 year ago
@woudyman2 did u read the books? they r very clearly atheist not theist and ill tellu y :in the 3rd book the Amber Spyglass Balthamos explains 2 Will that the Authority is not God but relly the 1st creation 2 pop out of the big bang and he basically claimed that evrything coming aftr him was created by him and there 4 owed him there worship so its not theist cuz there not killing God cuz Gods not real there only killing some asshole who claims 2 be there creator
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@webfulfill
"A true Christian can withstand any attack upon his faith and come out stronger thereby."
It is funny you say that about "true christian" because that would apply to true muslims, true cultists, and true idiots as well.
ThrakhathOfKilrah 1 year ago
@ThrakhathOfKilrah lol i like u alreddy he is an idiot isnt he?
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
@webfulfill
to which god's heaven u r goin? choose right! don't miss! ding dong, r u sleepin, lunatic?
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
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webfulfill 1 year ago
I am quite awake and thinking very clearly. Since the most intelligent, accomplished and powerful people do believe in God, I would say I am in good hands here and definitely in noway insane. Insane would be defined as being outside the norm, which would be you? You have to realize to religious or spiritual people, atheists appear very insane and do have a lot of sociapathic symptoms of disease.
webfulfill 1 year ago
@webfulfill
u r in good hands? r u an egg?
religious person describes himself when talks about atheists. they tend to name that stupidity why they r religious. it is kinda defensive act again themselves. what can u expect from a person who believes in fuck knows which god in the same way that he could believe in a chinese teapot flying around the moon. wtf world is this? lunatic paradise. its like a pc game "resident evil". should say - resident lunaticism. they r like these zombies in a game
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
@webfulfill and let me gess ur a white male? im atheist and im not insane and btw like they say in Alice in Wonderland all the best people are and also wat ahteists hav created cults or holocausts or started wars? none thats done by arguing religions
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
@webfulfill Sadly, I think you're right.
dankuck 1 year ago
atheism is growing!
Thanks to smart people rejecting: dogma, doctrine, superstition, irrationality, faith, and other atrocities.
accepting: logic, reason, rationality, evidence and free thinking.
JuggalocodeChile1988 2 years ago 31
I backslid into Christianity from a sort of nominal existentialism when I realized the logical conclusion of atheism was completely irrational.
It is not logical to believe that human society and consciousness came from random big bang. That is not to say that the big bang didn't happen, it is just that big bangs generally do not result in little groups of complex organism forming on small planets in backwater galaxies. Also seeing my fellow Christians be changed in their faith is compelling.
chukmaty 2 years ago
wow your understanding of the big bang is SADLY misinterpreted
the big bang only describes the infancy of the formation of the universe...abiogenesis describes the formation of RNA (which has already been demonstrated in laboratory) from non-living random organic matter in the environment of the primordial earth.
Religion is simply a fall-back from a lack of education leading you to a false understanding of scientific principle
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
Meh, you have no clue what I understand and don't understand, you are jumping to extremely silly conclusion because you lack a basic desire and ability to share ideas with others. This is a deficiency I would seriously look at fixing bro.
I never, ever suggested that anyone believes life began at the big bang. Please learn how to discuss issues in good faith.
chukmaty 2 years ago
in fact this gross misinterpretation of what the big bang is, and a lack of knowledge of the fact that the concept of abiogenesis has already been PROVEN viable is most troubling. Ignorance is the key to following religion.
Maybe if you actually read the peer-reviewed literature you would be aware of studies such as the one completed this past may that proved RNA can form by itself...and further literature describing how RNA creates living organisms and proteins...
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
I think the idea that abiogenesis has been proven as viable would be news to the scientific community. Even if it was, that hardly would change my mind on God. A universe that can not only support such a process of life creation, let alone see it happen, is a marvel unto itself; which is what I was trying to say earlier...
Forgive my clearly neanderthal beliefs, but I do not think that virtual particles spontaneously generated over eternity and ten banged into what we have now on their own.
chukmaty 2 years ago
it was proven viable and it was news...look up the experiment "life's first spark created in lab"
you don't believe the big bang is possible but you believe an invisible man magically created everything.
You can't believe the universe existed forever but you can believe an invisible magical being existed forever
You say the universe needs a creator but god does not
and that is logical...how...
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago 3
@TheLostGuitarist dont tell him about stuff like that he mite cry like a kid discovering santas no real
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
human "consciousness" is only a state of awareness of SOME of your mental processes. Electrophysiology can explain consciousness more than you probably realize. Human Society is merely a byproduct of our evolutionary path as a species that is more likely to survive when living together. Add in opposable thumbs, frontal lobes, and a few extra neurotransmitters and you have a species that can participate in complex processing and task functioning greater than any other species.
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
I realize that TLG, I graduated college, I am sure you did as well. You missed the point, even the fact that a dynamic evolutionary process exists is strong evidence that there is a God. Do you realize that if gravity were just a little stronger in comparison to the attraction in subatomic particles that this beautiful evolutionary process you talk about would be likely impossible.
The best the existentialist has to hope for is the death of human kind, were the rocks will not remember us.
chukmaty 2 years ago
another illogical assumption....evolution is simply a byproduct of the fact that there are limited resources and that the replication of RNA and DNA can involve the formation of random mutations, which therefore includes the statistical certainty that a suitable adaptation will occur
your hypothesis of gravity is completely mistaken as well....there are many planets in the universe, we have identified several with conditions similar to earth...
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
@TheLostGuitarist u tell him!! ^-^
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
its a statistical certainty that out of the billions of planets out there (if not trillions), there will be a few that have the gravitational and atmospheric conditions necessary for life.
We exist HERE because this planet happened to have suitable conditions for life. Otherwise life would be on a different planet that had conditions suitable for life.
don't mistake your college degree for an understanding of scientific principle....it means absolutely nothing
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
unless you graduated with a degree in biology or at least biological sciences you have no more expertise than the layman on the subject. I suggest you actually research the facts before you make sensational claims about evolution, gravity, human conciousness and abiogenesis that make you look more foolish than your intellect deserves
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
there is no mystery here....you just haven't taken the time to learn what we already know.
However say you were right and science got it all wrong...how does that prove christianity is correct? Many religions existed before the middle-eastern monotheistic religions, such as greek and roman religions now deemed mythology. The greeks had a story of a flood identical to noah's flood...but poseidon was responsible. Prometheus was strikingly similar to jesus. And their mythology was written
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
I do not think that other cultures collaborating with the Hebrew culture's oral tradition hurts Judaism in the least. I actually felt that it elevated the Torah, just imho.
Also, the oral tradition on which Judaism is based is far older than Moses Just because we no longer have the physical evidence of it, does not mean that it is likely from a historical perspective to have existed.
It is highly likely that a real patriarchal heritage had to be in place for the Hebrew people to unite around.
chukmaty 2 years ago
a good 400 years (minimum) before the old testament by even conservative estimates.
Jumping to the conclusion that if science does not have a viable explanation for an event, that a supernatural being must have done it is far from a logical thought process. It is extremely irrational behavior, and is precisely why most scientists (over 99%) do not believe in religion (or at least take it seriously).
I would say it is more likely zeus & poseidon are real and christianity is misinterpretation
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
@chukmaty
big bang is just a scientific theory. atheism has nothing to do with it.
atheism is non believing in supernatural.
but now the thing is that u have to choose a rightest god's heaven u want to go to.
i suggest dzeus's. w do u think? u r fuckin living joke!
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
@JuggalocodeChile1988
this world is not totally deluded. there is a hope. unite!
sadly, we live in a such stupid deluded world that makes us show to people how stupid they r. but soon a big change will come. now religious stupidity is obvious to many people. unite! spread zeitgeist!
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
Please read my other posts. There is no hope for Atheists. Firstly, science is proving that God does exist, and this is why Einstein, Newton and many other very intelligent people do believe in God. If you can answer the question, what is consciousness, I would be happy to listen. But I have a 39 year head start on you, and the answer is that it is primary and embedded in reality. God is the ultimate source. People are a lot smarter than you think and I am afraid, you are the deluded one.
webfulfill 1 year ago
@webfulfill i also hate wen ppl say that oh u poor ahteists theres no hope 4 u just shos u think ur bettr then us wich is kinda wat religion is isnt it? the fals illusion that ur imaginary friend in the clouds will pick ur faith over so many others becuz urs is better thats a pious and assholish belief in ANY religion with all due respect
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
You sound like the religious.
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@JuggalocodeChile1988 What do you think happens when you die? Is it all over? It's just the end? What is life for then, What is the meaning of Life, Why do we all Live? For what purpose. Hmm?
hyt243 1 year ago
@JuggalocodeChile1988
4 chan approved mate :)
Shetyre 1 year ago
Sam Elliott makes a very good point.
Cool2BCeltic 2 years ago
no god
CondorDM 2 years ago 6
really now. sure.... explain how the earth and or universe were created out of nothing. explain how civilization today has evolved. exactly i didnt think you could.
xtheocfanaticx 2 years ago
@xtheocfanaticx bigbang
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
The point Pullman really makes is that the god/authority does not tolerate the impulsive nature of humans and would prefer them to be brainless zombies by sucking all the dark matter out of them. So yeah, his dark materials are anti-religion because he is anti-oppression.
notyou009 2 years ago 9
What is interesting is that God could do it on whim, which is the problem I have with Pullman's argument. CS Lewis deals with this really well in a lot of his books, especially Screwtape Letters and the Great Divorce. If you want to take the argument of Pullman though and set it against the best CS Lewis gave, Perelandra is what you need to read.
HDM and Perelandra both deal in part with original sin as a concept, and Lewis has a really good explanation on the Christian side of the issue.
chukmaty 2 years ago
@chukmaty CS Lewis was also a racist sexist and religiously intolerant asshole and u do realize that both Douglas Adams and Philip Pullman r admitted Atheists rite? and that there is NO GOD in his dark materials but an authority being the 1st living creature 2 come out of the Big Bang (wich u claim is fake) and then claimed evrything aftr him was made by him and shood therfor worship him
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
@TheGIRROX
CS Lewis had some of the coolest female characters in any book I have read. Acknowledging that men and women are different is certainly not politically correct but hardly sexist.
He married a Jew, so he is not a racist, and some of his most heroic characters are essentially the Narnian version of Arabs, his message is that good an evil transcends race and nation. Narnian humans may have been light skinned Englishmen, but that was because they came from England, not racism.
chukmaty 1 year ago
@chukmaty ill ask u this :ys the white witch hafta be a witch and not a wizard? ys Lucy the healer and not peter or edmund? and btw Judaism is a religion not a race
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
@TheGIRROX
Okay, wait until I get my notebook, gotta jot this down...
Female villains makes authors sexist. Female's who heal are also indicators of sexism of the authors whenever they are characters in a book. Yea, dude, those were pretty horrible examples.
Also, I did not say CS Lewis married someone who practiced the faith of Judaism, he married a Jew, a Christian Jew who was formerly an atheist. Jew is a word which can indicate a race, it comes from the Kingdom of Judea.
chukmaty 1 year ago
@TheGIRROX
The Kingdom of Judea was the roman province which covered much of the old land of Judah which was named after the primary tribe remaining after the Assyrians took away the 10 tribes of the Kingdom of Israel.
So yes, Jew often is a word which implies race.
chukmaty 1 year ago
@TheGIRROX
Also, Pulman and Douglas are clearly trying to demean the idea of God and Christianity by placing tragic or comical frauds in His place. Just like Monte Python was trying to demean Christ in Life of Brian. I think we are smart enough to realize this.
chukmaty 1 year ago
All that said, I am really liking HDM as I am reading it, I love Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy which ironically was one of the books that initiated my backslide back into Christianity as a believer.
chukmaty 2 years ago
I haven't read the books you mentioned, only the Narnia series which I really loved when I was younger.
But Pullman only talked about the authority which in the book was the spirit of the first human. So he was putting the power that one may attribute to god into the hands of a human; humans are not perfect, not without sin as the bible teaches. So the that character could have done it on a whim. cont--
notyou009 2 years ago
@notyou009 i read the books and ur rong 1st:Angels r real in the books but ther beings of supermatr in other words extreme humans 2nd:The Authority is the 1st ANGELor living being 2 com out of mattr and claimed he created evrything aftrward and told ppl they shood worship him
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
inued ---
most atheists see humans as the heads of churches with all the worldly power, not gods. So organized religion is therefore a human institution with worldly sins etc.
Unless you believe the pope, for example, has a straight link with god, in which case I would seriously mark you as dillusional.
notyou009 2 years ago
@notyou009 wat u say is tru but 4 the millionth time hes not GOD
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
@TheGIRROX NO he isnt god. I know. I didn't claim he was god. He is a spirit/being whatever.... with human characteristics such as greed...exemplified by his false claiming of the creation of the world etc.
btw: it's kind lame to respond to an 8 month old comment.......
notyou009 1 year ago
@notyou009 lol least some1 knew btw:dont care ^-^
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
the Authority is not the creator of the universe and is not omnipotent or omnicient, but he is the being that the torah is about. he is Yahweh.
Aletheophile 2 years ago
However the Torah is talking about the God of Job and Melchizedek... a God whose believers talked about in an oral tradition which far precedes Judaism and the Torah. This God is expressed in every way as omniscient, non elemental/temporal, and yet very relational.
Job and Genesis do a lot to set Yahweh apart from the pagan view of deity which is non transcendent.
Genesis for example has a creation story which places light and life before sun, this is a key difference with Sumerian worship.
chukmaty 2 years ago
you do realize the existence of the sumerians proves the bible is incorrect...they existed 2000 years before the bible says man was created
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
Um, no. The existence of the Sumerians shows that the beliefs of Abraham were very distinct compared to his culture just as the beliefs and message of Moses was very destinct from teh beliefs and traditions of the Egyptians.
Also you assume 3 things.
-That Bishop Ushers chronology is accurate, which it probably isn't.
-That the Biblical history before Abraham is literal, I don't think it is.
-That the six day creation was not figurative in the same sense the Hebrew prophecy was.
chukmaty 2 years ago
so if the bible isn't literal why do you follow what it says?
If all of creation, the talking snake, the creation of eve from adam's rib, this was all figurative, why do you assume ANYTHING can be read and interpreted? Why follow it at all then. What gives YOU the unique understanding of what is literal and what is not in the bible?
Nothing? That's what I thought.
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
"so if the bible isn't literal why do you follow what it says?"
I do not think that Christ is coming back as a lamb with seven horns. It never intended that I do, it is called being figurative. Something figurative can explain something which is true.
Hebrew prophecy spoke of Christ in a figurative way. Using terms like "cornerstone" to describe what he would mean to the Jewish people and their faith, how he would be what they hope was built on.
chukmaty 2 years ago
see what you are doing is the same thing people do when they look at an abstract painting. you see what you want to see. the bible means exactly what YOU want it to mean. You will continue to follow circular logic, ignoring all contradictory evidence against you.
You're obviously an intelligent person, its sad that you haven't been able to break free from illogical and irrational behavior that religion encourages.
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
Ummm, no. Not at all. I cannot believe you would read my comments and come away with that idea. It is pretty clear when someone is writing figuratively, conclusion can arise when we are dealing with a particularly ancient part of a whole text because we have to interpret it against the whole body of work, but even then we can make reasonable conclusions about its intent.
And I did "break free" for a while. While I never openly left religion, intellectually I had to go through a redefining.
chukmaty 2 years ago
lol at my computers spell checker. Replace "conclusion" with "confusion." Sorry and thanks.
I have to go to bed, I have work tomorrow. I hope to continue this conversation with you later. I think I could do a better job explaining my thoughts as your responses do not seem to correlate with my comments. I will work on that, until then, peace man ;)
chukmaty 2 years ago
Faith is living your entire life around a 3500 year old book that may or may not be historically accurate, is definitely not literal, and has been proved illogical, irrational, and describes an angry vengeful god that claims women are inferior (and in fact justifies their beating), condones slavery, implies stoning children is proper punishment....
highly irrational...
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago 16
@TheLostGuitarist
change is comin. spread zeitgeist!
TheAtheistworld 1 year ago
I did see Zeitgeist and the evidence was hardly convincing at all that Jesus was not a real man. In fact, this only validated many Christians beliefs that Jesus Christ is in fact an eternal God whose substance is in the very fabric of the universe and has been around since the beginning of time. This is evidenced over and over again. Atheism is not an enlightened point of view, but rather a very small and shrinking mental deficiency. This is fun, isn't it?
webfulfill 1 year ago
@webfulfill u mean like santa clause is the spirit of christmas? oh.....wate santas not real ether but a talking snake a man that can heal the blind by touching them and rising from the dead like a friggin zombie is hmmmm.....
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
@TheLostGuitarist and that is y Phillip Pullman hates the bible and the Chronicles of Narnia
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
@TheLostGuitarist No faith can be disproved. Faith is a Belief, nobody can disprove Beliefs. And btw, the Bible is for Interpretation and you don't look deep enough to see what it's actually saying, If Sherlock Holmes just looked at something and just believed what was written on it, he wouldn't of gotten anywhere.
hyt243 1 year ago
@TheLostGuitarist lol bullshit. thats the old testament and that was written by the pharacies.
1tacoman17 7 months ago
@1tacoman17 yeah but at the time they believed it
and that´s why it´s dangerous
cause you can make them believe what you want you just have to make it look legit
like that Islam = Satan shit
Jesus lived in a similar Age, where it was normal to have a 9 yrld Wife
but they didn´t record that ofc
or rather they skipped that part somewhere in history
through how many hands has the Bible gone in all these years?
These guys believe EVERYTHING
potentially dangerous folks
xxXToushirouXxx 5 months ago
@xxXToushirouXxx Of course thats what they believed at the time. Thats what athiests believed at the time too. Things change obvousily. But the Bible has some really good moral messages and views, people need to ignore the bad (for that time it wasa way of life) and look at all the good.
1tacoman17 5 months ago
Genesis is a tough nut, it is based on the oral history of the ancestors of the Hebrew people up until Moses and his successor Joseph as they first established the nation of Israel in what was then Canaan.
Personally I think that, like prophecy in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentation, Ezekiel, and Daniel; much of the Genesis narrative is figurative and based on an ancient (even in the time of Moses it would be thousands of years old) oral tradition.
chukmaty 2 years ago
So then you admit the bible was written by men and is not the word of god...
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
You realize it can be the word of God and still be written by men, right?
If you were God, speaking to an ancient bronze age civilization... I would not try to explain virtual particles and dark energy (or whatever it is that seems to be pushing the universe ever outward). I would try instead to explain in terms they would understand, that I was over all nature and that I was the source of light and life... in direct contradiction to Summerian worship and basic hunger based religions.
chukmaty 2 years ago
now you're just trying to grab at straws to justify the bible in historical context.
God could have also created punishments that were understandable that didn't involve stoning children to death for instance.
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
if the bible is just transcribed oral history, what makes you think it wasn't altered? What if any proof is there that any part of it is anything more than fictional literature?
Maybe moses just made the whole thing up?
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
Moses would not likely have been able to make the whole thing up, though he certainly could edit parts. However, the Judaic faith is not based on the events predating the exodus or even the claimed personal experiences of Moses (such as the burning bush). They are based on the miracles that transpired directly before and during he exodus from Egypt. If the events of the Exodus did not happen, there is no Judaism, while if Moses exaggerated the burning bush, practically nothing changes.
chukmaty 2 years ago
nothing changes...except for the fact that he never actually spoke to god and therefore the supernatural elements of the old testament are fictitious, making it a "tall-tale" account of history.
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
you also do realize there is no evidence of the jewish people being enslaved in egypt. I was brought up jewish...I believed it for a long time that this was true, but when seeking the evidence of the enslavement and exodus of the jewish people, I found there was none. An entire race just got up and led a mass exodus out of egypt without leaving a trace of evidence behind? hard to believe
TheLostGuitarist 2 years ago
Taking my knowledge of ancient religion, I applied to reading the Torah and found the whole story of Moses filled with hidden symbology with matches too closely to Yoga texts. The enslavement was symbolic, Moses was what Hindus very accurately classify as a Nirbikalpa Samadhi Yogi and possibly Avatar. The story was embelished into a law book by the Levitcal Priests, most likely who probably did not fundamentally understand Moses or they purposely dumbed it down for the masses.
webfulfill 1 year ago
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@webfulfill
"Moses was what Hindus very accurately classify as a Nirbikalpa Samadhi Yogi and possibly Avata. The story was embelished into a law book by the Levitcal Priests, most likely who probably did not fundamentally understand Moses or they purposely dumbed it down for the masses."
Yes, because there is no chance in hell that your Moses is a dumbed down version of some guy from some other random religion. Is there?
Now think about that.
ThrakhathOfKilrah 1 year ago
Oh, define Random religion? If you are a Zeitgeist fan, then you should really look more deeply into Religion. Behind religion is a deep science of reality that I think most people simply do not need to prove, because their instincts are correct. People are a lot smarter than you give them credit. But I think you are using a different standard to define intelligence. You really have no psychological training of any kind, huh?
webfulfill 1 year ago
@webfulfill
Um, why would I be a fan of zeitgeist - a poorly researched political propaganda movie talking to peoples fears rather than their intellect?
I am sorry to have to break it too you. Peoples instincts are not enough in our daily lives and even less when investigating nature. We humans are particularly BAD at judging probabilities and randomness. We are also extremely bad at thinking outside of the box and curbing our biases. Scientific training helps in this respect.
ThrakhathOfKilrah 1 year ago
@webfulfill
Since I do not have any "psychological training" according to you, I suppose it I shouldn't be giving tips on informative reading material related to psychology, science and math to someone as "informed" as yourself (?)
Here is your course:
Start with "In Search of Schrodingers cat" by John Gribbin. It briefly introduces you to the quantum physics - a world stranger than anything imagined in any religion.
Next read Michael Shermer's "Why do people belive weird things?".
ThrakhathOfKilrah 1 year ago
@webfulfill
It gives you a brief discussion on why we believe the things we do and why we keep defending certain ideas even though they do not stand up to evidence.
After that I would suggest either "A drunkard's walk" by Leonard Mlodinov or "The Black Swan" by Nassim Taleb. They discuss the limitations of the intuition you are so proud about and what we can do about it.
After these three reads you will be better equipped to tackle your deep questions.
Unless you intend to remain ignorant...
ThrakhathOfKilrah 1 year ago
@chukmaty dude i cood make the whole fukking thingup
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
@TheLostGuitarist u make a valid point that iv been considering for yrs now hell giv it a cupple of centuries and ppl mite be worshiping His Dark Materials insted of the bible
TheGIRROX 1 year ago
So what if it's anti-religion? I LOVED the books, and felt joyful that my humanist liberty-loving beliefs had some expression in a children's series. I read the Narnia books many, many times through my life, which are very, very pro-religion (annoyingly so), and loved them too. Let kids read a variety of viewpoints, worded at an age-appropriate level, and make up their own minds. If your religion has something true and meaningful to say, then it'll stand up to the scrutiny. If not, so be it.
amymcools 2 years ago 5
Yeah, Narnia is good :)
Two questions @ the video... Firstly, most of the bible's main stories are evolutions of pre-existing myths about messiahs and demons and gods in other cultures, it is not original by any stretch of the imagination. It's also quite long and covers a wide range of subjects - pretty much anything can be claimed to be be based on it... Are they going to whinge about every zombie movie or armageddon movie too? :P
Second, why is Daniel Craig dressed like a schoolboy? O.o
Gliktch 2 years ago
The only difference is that Narnia is written by C.S Lewis, a devout Christian and Northern Lights (Golden Compass) is written by an intelligent writer Phillip Pullman, who happens to be a non-believer.
siyengar9821 2 years ago 2
Yeah, I'm aware that Lewis intended Narnia to be a christian allegory, though I still thoroughly enjoyed the BBC series as a kid.
I guess this was partly because it was a much more competent & coherent narrative than the bible (it probably benefited by being written in one person's lifetime by one person, for starters), and also the fact that it wasn't being passed off as anything but entertaining fiction.
Leaving out the biblical rapes & baby-killing probably also helped keep it palatable. ;)
Gliktch 2 years ago
I agree with you but there is a huge difference between Narnia and Northern Lights/Golden Compass - Narnia was all about obeying the authority and GC totally opposite.
siyengar9821 2 years ago 2
Hmm, I guess you have a point there.
On a side note, it's disappointing that the sequels (to GC) probably won't be made for a few more years, if at all :/
(partly due to economics, poor reception of the first movie, and lobby-group opposition)
Gliktch 2 years ago
You are absolutely right. Even the first GC was plagued with problems. It's a shame because the second part would have been so much better than the first one. In fact, the meat of the novel, is the second part.
siyengar9821 2 years ago
The bible does not seek to be original, it is openly based on an oral tradition, one which is based on events that all oral traditions are based on. This oral tradition is old, the similarities are of no importance as all religions should share them as they are often based on the same things which likely occurred or are based on themes before or on the cusp of recorded history. The differences matter, the differences are immense and should be the focus.
chukmaty 2 years ago
"The bible does not seek to be original" - chukmaty
Tell that to the people who are a) claiming the bible is literal truth dictated by a magical being, and/or b) complaining that HDM/GC is based on it.
Gliktch 2 years ago 3
shees that is just a movie , an entertainment its not a big deal
lefas123456789 2 years ago 3
Erm, it's a work of fiction. Anything can happen in fiction by definition. If an author wishes to include his own beliefs or questions in such a work then great. It allows a questioning of ones own personal point of view with ideas that may not have been considered before. This is the basis for reasoning.
If fiction is enough to shatter ones world view, then that world view is obviously flawed.
DuTriDu 2 years ago
how do they kill god.. thats what confused me
palin012 2 years ago
Do you mean in the books or in the movie?
OhAnnaVapours 2 years ago
with a hammer.
Superhumanattack 2 years ago
they don't they kill an angel pretending to be god
Lovinggirlhood 2 years ago