Calvinism - Cut Off What Makes You Sin!

[RevRyan1972]

Seriously, your video was not edifying to the body of Christ. I'm pretty sure that prideful mockery is still sin.

[cornwallsteve]

make more of these simple!

[MODERATECALVINISM]

I Corinthians 14:33

For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.

[marcostar57]

Gotta love the absurdity of so much religious theology!

[polopowers1]

Nobody gives glory to God you enjoy the glory He gives.I was a Calvinist but after hearing this I'm left to making choices as silly as this video on Calvinism and Christ words taken out of context.If free will did this I'm cutting it off and see what determinism brings.

[grandtitles]

I am sure you have some good points to make, but please cut to the chase.

Why are you using a robot? Are you mute? We would sooner hear you speak in person. Come on, don't be shy. Let the people know why you are speaking though a robot - they will understand.

[simple475]

yea this was a poorly made comical video but I had fun making it.

i knew it was extremely drawn out and am surprised that some people actually watched the full thing.

thanks for your criticisms.

im using a little cartoon from xtranormal, as this is an easy and fun way to communicate via youtube without displaying my face to the internet, which I would rather not do.

and lol @ the last sentence.

Thanks for the comment

[xRaisethestandardx]

Lol sounds about right.

[zerogravity11]

Your a human nothing else lol

[Psalm2verse12]

LOL!

[sincitypreacher]

Great conclusion. I was wondering where you were going with it. Thanks

[simple475]

hey bro, thanks for sticking through it, lol.

was trying to build it up for a nice ending...but kind of wandered all over the place until I got there.

I just wonder why all the calvinist preacher's kids are always one of the elect?

their children just happen to always be part of the elect, part of the chosen ones.

[solarisgalrocks]

lolol, love it!

[solarisgalrocks]

what great absuridity: If God is making me sin cause he predetermined me, then I shall cut him off. ok, calvinist.

[simple475]

LOL yea.

i think of it like when I was younger.

playing with sibling or friends.

you grab their arm, and make them punch themself,all the while saying,

"Stop hitting yourself.

Stop hitting yourself. Quit hitting yourself."

you ever do that? LOL.

Its exactly the same.

their god is making them punch themselves in the face(sin) and their god keeps telling them to stop...

[ChristKeep]

Youtube is going crazy... it rated this video one star, when I didn't even touch the ratings. Calvinism is a crockpot of contradicting lies.

[simple475]

ya I got this idea of a video from the youtube named TheWoodsofJordan.

he made a video talking about his determinism and how God made Adam sin.

I then asked him in the comments if God made him sin yesterday, and he said something to the effect of, "yea I guess so."

then almost a week later, I find out he deletes this statement on that page, and he makes a new video talking about Mat 5 where Jesus tells us to cut off what makes us sin.

lol.

why doesn't he cut out God?

[simple475]

oh, and then he blocked me right when I asked him this.

he asked me a question, I responded to it, he blocked me instantly.

and then deleted my response so that only his question remains.

I went on my old account, told him I forgive him, and also found out then that he had deleted the comments on the other video where he said God made him sin.

he blocked me too.

i was going to make a video about this, but decided not to since i saw he was dealing with massive irl issues.

[coffinperson]

lol @ this video

[1689Baptist]

Anyway I need to go time to get ready for church God Bless

[1689Baptist]

The reason I am not going to answer these arguments directly is b/c they are faulty.You have come to a "logical" conclusion with factors that are not accurate

[1689Baptist]

Example 2+2+2+2=8 is logical,but you have 2+3+5+6=8 that is the problem.

[1689Baptist]

You have preconceived factors like determinism makes man a puppet or robot, determinism = fatalism, determinism makes God responsible, and God is under moral law, all of which are not true.

[1689Baptist]

As long as you use these faulty factors in your "logic" you will always come to a wrong conclusion.

[1689Baptist]

Your idea of determinism is absurd,but that is not the logical conclusion of determinism.

[simple475]

lol.

what on earth.

so I'm arguing against a straw man then?

I've completely misrespresented determinism?

God makes men sin.

true or false?

true.

this is all that is implied in the example..what on earth.

[1689Baptist]

You did use a strawman.You gave an example of a man straped to a chair with a scrubed mind and an electric shock to make him pull the trigger,and then attributed that to God. That is the puppet argument which the Bible denies

[simple475]

lol, wow.

yes of course the Bible denies that.

now explain how this is a strawman of DETERMINISM! wow.

[1689Baptist]

It is a strawman b/c all you have to do is look at people and see they are not mindless so to say they are is a strawman.The fact that people are not mindless does not destroy determinism.

[simple475]

.....wow.

no you do NOT have the ability to think.

it is the illusion like you said about free will.

God has decreed all your thoughts.

all your thoughts are decreed by God.

you aren't doing thinking.

it just God that has decreed those thoughts to be put in your mind, and has decreed you to think certain ways.

...

[1689Baptist]

Let me ask you a ? any thought in your mind who thought them first YOU or GOD?? Considering you were born 20 yrs ago and God has had all thought from all eternity.

[simple475]

wait.

please don't do the deflection tactics.

you know, those deflection tactics we talked about the other day?

stick with what I said please.

you made a statement, I refuted, now you are deflecting.

[1689Baptist]

Simple I am deleting nothing

[simple475]

I didn't say 'deleting' I said 'deflecting'

you are using deflection tactics.

see my next post

[1689Baptist]

Ok I see that now.But what am I deflecting I see all of this as part of the equation

[simple475]

... you said we aren't mindless. I said we are. I showed you that we aren't doing any of our own thoughts. it is all God decreeing EVERYTHING then you did a complete 180 turn around on your own position and affirmed what I just said what you should have said in the first place. they aren't your thoughts, it is God who has decreed you. therefore, you are still a mindless robot. God decrees all your thoughts, decrees all your reasoning ability. true or false? true.

[1689Baptist]

This is the point you think b/c God has decreed all things that makes us mindless robots this is a wrong conclusion to come to.I know what you are tring to do you think that b/c we are not mindless robots that proves God did not decree all things,but that also is a wrong conclusion.

[simple475]

lol, wow.

ok, please, from now on, if you make a statement, at least elaborate or explain why you make that statement...

you say WE have the ability to think.

but this is simply not true.

this is the illusion.

yes, it is us that have the thoughts in our head.

but remember?

God decreed everything, including our thoughts and our choices and our reasoning abilities.

We are robots. there is no way of getting around this conclusion.

saying 'this is a wrong conclusion' does not help your case.

[simple475]

and actually, I think labeling us as 'robots' is not the right term.

robots nowadays have better AI and can make their own conclusions based on their environment, limited to what they are programmed to do.

but determinism doesn't allow for this.

I think a better label for us would simply be 'shells'.

we are walking shells and everything in and out of us is decreed by God to act and think in a certain predestined way.

true or false?

true.

[1689Baptist]

You know I am going to say false.But we are never going to get anywhere in this argument untill we get some ground we can agree on.

[1689Baptist]

The first one is the puppet argument. Taking determinism out of the equation can we both agree we are not puppets.

[1689Baptist]

I will try later tried 4 times

[simple475]

LOL.

yes, of course.

take determinism out of the equation!

lol, wow.

[simple475]

still waiting for you to respond to my 2 comments I made in response to your seemingly baseless assertion, "this is a wrong conclusion to come to" that you made without explaining why or elaborating at all.

[1689Baptist]

I have been busy I have not had time to do much of anything on U-tube

[simple475]

hey Baptist..it's been 6 days now...

still waiting on you to substantiate your claim that we are not robots even though God ordains our thoughts, our movements, our very existence.

God Bless~

[ChristKeep]

You go to give "1689Baptist" some credit. He deflected the deflecting by asking a question on how he was deflecting.

[simple475]

unless, of course, by that statement you are going back on what you said earlier about man having the ability to think.

now you have changed your position in just 10 minutes?

you said we have the ability to think, and are not mindless.

I showed you that your determinism position speaks otherwise.

and now you are agreeing with me.

wow.

[1689Baptist]

When was the last time you saw a mindless man walking arround. We have the ability to think reason emotion use logic that takes nothing away from the fact God has decreed ALL things.

[1689Baptist]

Also the idea of freewill does not in any way let God off the hook for evil.

[simple475]

lol.

do you like making statements and then just not bothering explaining why.

[simple475]

and once again, saying I am incorrect about determinism or saying I have 'faulty factors' or saying I have 'preconceived factors' or saying I have '2+3+5+6=8' doesn't make it so!

you saying that without even showing why doesn't help your case of trying to convert me to determinism.

deal with the example, show me my misrepresentation of determinism in the example or please stop wasting time posting 4 comments saying I'm misrepresenting you without even explaining why.

[simple475]

1. please explain to me how man or demons or devils are not puppets when people like John Calvin says himself thats what devils are. humans are same thing.

2. I never said determinism=fatalism nor implied it *in this example*.

3. "determinism makes God responsible" that's the point of the example.

please show me my faulty reasoning.

you can't, because there is no fault in it.

4. God being under a moral law is not even part of my argument.

but w/e ignore it like its not true..

[1689Baptist]

Ok, God is not responsible b/c man does what he wants to do and it is the man that does it not God. In your example the man was forced against his will or had no will at all. This is not correct.

[simple475]

see my previous comment

[MODERATECALVINISM]

Hyper Calvinist believe in determinism, Calvinist's are suppose to hold to Compatibolism. Problem is, it is not compatible w/ their theology. So when questions arise they defer to determinism. At least some...

[MODERATECALVINISM]

As I told you before..

The question is who makes me sin ?

1. Indeterminism

2. Determinism

3. Self determinism

There are only three choices, will you pick free will ? If you pick determinism then your actions are caused by another not self, therefore you have no capacity to obey Gods command as you said. Of course indeterminism is a joke, the law of causality refutes.

GB

[jjpetkusiii]

Thank you, Brother Adam, for uploading this excellent video which rightly presents the consistent absurdities of Calvinism.

The fallacies of Augustine of Hippo are the letimotiv of Jean Calvin's determinist philosohy. Their consistent Manichaeism never has been a tool for valid Biblical exegesis or the basis of sound doctrine according to the Scriptures.

[simple475]

hey brother, yes..

calvinism has everything backwards...signature trademark of satan...

[repentNOWunbelievers]

in my opinion at least..

[simple475]

in my opinion at least..

[jjpetkusiii]

Opinions are irrelevant to the objective truth of the Scriptures, repentNOWunbelivers. For example, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).

Moreover, the Scriptures assert the reality of human choice and volition. The existence of free will is sound Biblical doctrine, which can be demonstrated objectievely by a valid Sola Scripture exegesis of all texts in the Holy Bible that pertain and excluding none.

[simple475]

hey thanks for the comment.

yes, I am repentNOWunbelievers.

I said 'in my opinion at least' in reference to everything being backwards is a signature trademark of satan.

I know that calvinism is false, hehe yea.

[1689Baptist]

Sir it is not.

[jjpetkusiii]

Gordon H. Clark, dubbed "America's Augustine," never came to grips with the Manichaeism that pervades Calvin's attempts at falsely deterministic exegesis. Have you?

In fact, the Scriptures cite human "will" and "freewill" as recognizable categories.

Moreover, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself confirmed the reality of human choice in Luke 10:42.

Incessant total determinism is not a sound Biblical doctrine, but the Lord God has endowed mankind with free will according to the Scriptures.

[1689Baptist]

You dont know what you are talking about. Manichaeism pervades Romanism,the doctrines of Arminianism and free will ARE the road back to rome.

[jjpetkusiii]

Actually, you are WRONG, 1689Baptist, because Augustine of Hippo is called by Rome one of the "Western Doctors" and a "Father of the Church" (i.e., the Mother of Harlots and Abominations). Calvin, the neo-Manichaean, simultaneously perpetuated Augustine's philosophy and vain deceit while he sowed his own fetid TULIP garden of revived false doctrines, including the nonexistence of freewill. Romanists misconstrue the Scriptural exegesis and blaspheme, but complete Calvinism makes God a tyrant.

[1689Baptist]

LOL,where did you copy & paste this from I read what Manichaean taught you dont have a leg to stand on.

[jjpetkusiii]

Don't count on it, 1689Baptist.

[jjpetkusiii]

If you can find a published copy of my prior Text Comment, 1689Baptist, that antedates this afternoon, please let me know about it. Kindly support the Calvinism which you consistenly endorse by citing an author and publisher for what I wrote and posted earlier today--on the unlikely (i.e., ZERO) chance that it is a plagiarism and its true author may contradict himself elsewhere in his extensive text.

[NCEVANGELIST]

God has never nor will ever cause sin, He permits it to flow out of the depraved heart of man and ,in his longsuffering, withholds his righteous judgment. Tosay that God is defiled by his permission of sin is to say that the sun by shedding it's light on a dung heap is defiled by the vapors that arise from it. God is sovereign, and man is responsible.

[simple475]

yes, determinism is absurd.

the idea that everything looks like free will.

the entire Bible and all the apostles speak and act and write like they have free will.

this is all just an illusion, and we really have no free-will, and in reality, God determines everything including making me type this and making me and you and everyone commit transgressions of the law that God Himself established.

absurd.

[NCEVANGELIST]

I Peter 1:21- For the prophecy came NOT in old time by the WILL OF MAN, but holy men spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. KJV

God is in control and that is a comfort to me not a fear.

[simple475]

lol.

wait, you denied determinism theology in your first post.

but now you post 1 Peter 1:21 as if you hold to determinism.

lol.

[Proverbs1x26refresed]

Uh oh, if you cut God out, perseverance of the saints doctrine means you'll lose your salva.... err... I mean it will make you have never been saved in the first place.

[Kloudes]

It will mean you aren't truly one of "the chosen ones"

The few. The proud. The elect.

^__^

[simple475]

loooooool.

[simple475]

lol yea. they gotta cut what makes them sin outta their life.

[Kloudes]

um....

LOL

How clever. Good job, brother. ^_^

[simple475]

lol I laughed while making this, it is utter madness.

thanks for the comments God Bless~!

[edwardpf123]

Amen, Calvinism taken to its logical conclusion is madness.

[simple475]

haha ya God Bless~!

they gotta cut out of their life what makes them sin, but God is the one making them sin.

[GBFNorwalk]

Calvinism is absurdity. Amen.

[simple475]

lol yup, God Bless~!

[Freewillheresy]

Your a fool norwalk

[jjpetkusiii]

I have free will, Freewillheresy. What makes you think that you and other people lack choice and volition?

As a matter of fact, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself confirmed the reality of human will when He said, "But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her" (Luke 10:42).

[1689Baptist]

Your consiousness of freewill is only the unconsciousness of determinism.

[jjpetkusiii]

Well, that's one way of looking at it, I suppose.

According to the Scriptures, of course, the reality of free will is undeniable:

"Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them, Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation for all his vows, and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the LORD for a burnt offering" (Leviticus 22:18).

[1689Baptist]

That only means they were free to bring what they wanted to bring.

[jjpetkusiii]

If you think about it, 1689Baptist, what you just wrote comfirms that human free will is Scriptural.

The more radical Calvinist concepts of determinism reflect the influence of Augustine of Hippo, who was the the literary mentor of Jean Chauvin (a.k.a. John Calvin).

[1689Baptist]

No,it just shows man always does what he most desires to do. What causes that desire is another issue.

[jjpetkusiii]

What you wrote surely sounds like a good definition of free will to me, 1689Baptist.

Logically, of course, the reality of such a definition is also proof that free will exists.

[1689Baptist]

Only if you can make a choice without desire b/c desire has to have a cause. And that is impossible. Anyway I gotta go for now. God Bless

[jjpetkusiii]

It seems to me, 1689Baptist, that your previous Text Comment put it better than the more current. When you wrote that man "does what he desires most to do," you stated a classic definition of free will, which is also consistent with what the Scriptures teach.

Calvinism and especially its contorted theories of determinism never did explain the Holy Bible adequately. You will search in vain for John Calvin's personal testimony of salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ .

[1689Baptist]

I do not follow John Calvin,I have never read his works.

[1689Baptist]

But all desire has to have a cause therefore you cannot make an uncaused choice even when you do what you most desire to do.

[jjpetkusiii]

Although appearances do not always conform to reality, (e.g. the actor Richard Burton dressed up as Marc Antony) sometimes they do (e.g. Richard Burton dressed as Richard Burton having dinner with Elizabeth Taylor). Thus, what appears to be desire gives evidence of free will because man is free to choose what he desires without divine compulsion.

No one held a gun to my head when I posted this reply, 1689Baptist. How about you?

[1689Baptist]

No, but you were directed to do so by countless causes that you do not have the ability to comprehend b/c you have a finite mind that can only be aware of limited information.

[jjpetkusiii]

Taken as a whole, those who are directed by innumerable that they "do not have the ability to comprehend" have been known to respond in countless different ways and thereby confirm historically that the Scriptures which teach human choice and free will are true.

Every word of God is true.

[1689Baptist]

Sir the Scriptures do not teach man has freewill all it shows is where a choice is made it is silent on how.You have still failed to prove an uncaused choice.

[jjpetkusiii]

The assertion of a generic and incessant underlying cause of human activity is not (strictly speaking) Scriptural: rather, it is found in any number of philosophical schools like Calvinism or Marxism.

The economic determinism of Marxism is atheistic and contrary to Scripture, 1689Baptist, but the Bible confirms that man has choice and volition and further attests the categoical existence of free will.

In short, compulsion does exist, but so does free will according to the Scriptures

[simple475]

hey Baptist you know how I said you are the most consistent determinist I know.

and u can take that as a compliment or w/e.

but I have a question.

why, when you speak or write these comments, do you say things like this,

"No,it just shows man always does what he most desires to do."

[simple475]

I see you write things like this and say things like this in all of your videos.

but I got a question, why don't you say it like this?

"No,it just shows man always does what God makes him desire to do."

if we have no sense of free-will at all, why don't you write and speak everything in that way?

just curious.

[1689Baptist]

I say it like I do b/c I want to get people thinking. It is a fact even if you dont believe in God or a god that a person cannot make a choice without the desire to do so and you cannot have a desire without a cause.

[1689Baptist]

Once you understand that then you can see that behind all the causes in the universe there is GOD.

[simple475]

ok, well what you are saying though is like a half truth.

the only thing that needed to be caused was God creating the universe.

(and then of course, everything else He has decreed).

me typing this right now does not have to be God putting it in my mind directly to have a desire to do this.

It could be indirect influences.

Maybe if there was 1 decree that God did in the past, maybe 1000 years ago.

if he waited 1 second to decree it, maybe I would not be typing this right now.

[simple475]

since when does *everything* I do have to be a direct result of God putting it in my mind?

it could be indirect?

and since when does these influences of God putting this in my mind still mean I don't have a choice to do it or not!?!?

[simple475]

btw I first asked that question because it just looks strange for a determinist to not be saying 'God makes him desire to do'

or 'God makes him do'

instead of 'man always does what he most desires to do'.

statements like that in all ur videos, but w/e.

you are right, it gets me thinking.

but gets me thinking of how confusing you lead it on to be.

I think you could get others thinking by presenting the topic instead of being inconsistent in nearly every statement and making us clean it up.

[1689Baptist]

Well you have just answered the whole thing God does determin all things but He does it indirectly through countless causes that direct desire. That is why I can say man does what he wants to do.

[1689Baptist]

I say it like this b/c most people wont stop to think it through when you tell them God dertermins everything

[simple475]

I got the idea for this video from TheWoodsofJordan.

he made a video about determinism and said in it at about 3:15, and I quote, "God MADE Adam fall..." -TheWoodsofJordan. end quote.

I talked with him about this in the comments and asked him if he believes God is the one that made him sin yesterday.

he said something to the effect, "yea..I guess."

[simple475]

then about a week later he made a video talking about this specific passage, saying we need to cut off what makes us sin.

I addressed him on this exact point.

since he said God made him sin and then he says cut off what makes you sin.

and he blocked me right there on the spot, I wan't rude or anything, lol.

[simple475]

he deleted 1 of my comments on that cut off what makes you sin video, but left up 1 of them to make me look dumb...but I'm not bothered, he knows what he did.

and then he even deleted the comments on the OTHER video where he admitted God makes him sin! to cover his tracks!

[simple475]

I was going to make a video about this encounter with him specifically, but I saw him put out other videos talking about how he is dealing with anxiety and depression stuff, and he seemed really depressed and dealing with his parents divorce and other emotional stuff, so I figured there is no need to talk about that.

[simple475]

but I'm telling you about this encounter, because there is apparently at least 1 person who believes God makes people sin and believes it is the right conclusion to make him cut God out of his life to make him stop sinning(otherwise he wouldn't have blocked me...

I wasn't trolling or anything, just wrote 1 comment and responded to his response(which he deleted!)!

[simple475]

btw..didn't u comment on this video before?

I don't see the comments, maybe youtube acting up like usual.

I remember you adressing the video and yo said something like, 'I don't agree with your conclusion' but you never said why or elaborated..I'm curious..

Jesus Christ says to cut off what makes you sin.

but the one making us sin is God since you believe God is the one that makes us sin.

we should cut God out right?

[1689Baptist]

Yes I lost some comments on my last video. I dont delete comments b/c I am not afraid of my beliefs, except some pervert came through and made a comment about wanting to molest littles boys I deleted him.

[simple475]

yea, I deleted some comment chain between me and some guy I forget his name, because we talked via personal messages and there was a miscommunication so we decided to delete our conversation.

maybe I deleted some ohter comments by accident when I was clicking delete.

but w/e

and lol@the pervert...wow.

but who is the pervert?

God is determining him to act this way right?

plz be honest..don't u think this is just even a little absurd?

maybe a teeny bit absurd?

[simple475]

btw, I'm not saying that because determinism is absurd means it is untrue.

but u have to admit...it sounds absurd doesn't it?

a little bit?

[1689Baptist]

LOL, when I through in the comment about the pervert I knew that you were going to say that.

[1689Baptist]

I dont have time to answer all the comments right now but I will later

[simple475]

then I press the button that sends an electric shock to your brain and it MAKES you sin by pressing the trigger and killing the innocent person.

who is at fault for the murder?

I would say it is me since I did all this to you, but you would say you are at fault since you are the one with the gun in your hand that pulled the trigger.

[simple475]

we both go to court next day and are both charged with murder.

thankfully for me, the Judge and all 13 members of the jury are all determinsts and adhere to your reasoning, so I get cleared of all charges, while you get put in jail for life for murder.

Determinism is absurd: yes or no?

if you say no, I say you are crazy or a liar.

[simple475]

I'm still curious what you have to say about my example I gave you...

God Bless...

[simple475]

lol.

i laughed at that irl.

but seriously..come on...who is the pervert.

the guy talking about little boys or the God that is making him talk about little boys.

he has no choice to talk or not to talk about little boys.

there is no choice, it just IS.

[simple475]

let me give an example..

I put a person in front of you.

I then tie you down to a chair so you can't move, and i glue a gun to your hand, and glue your finger to the trigger.

I hook your brain up to an electrical sensory device so that I can send impulses to your brain that will make your body move accordingly like I can control you..

these impulses just make you act..there is no room for a choice to do or not to do something, it just happens. it just IS.

[1689Baptist]

The reason I disagree is b/c of our relationship to God. God is the One that gives the comand it is mine to obey.If God has ordained for me to sin that is His business but I have His comand to live holy that is my business.

[simple475]

ok..but that's what I don't understand of you and some of your statements.

God commanding you to live holy is not 'your' business.

there is nothing that is your business.

God is controlling your every action, right?

and then you keep flirting between this idea that God ordains you to sin but the sin is still your fault and not God's and God is still just because God can break his own moral law.

[simple475]

there is no way of getting around it..at least admit it so we can move on in discussion.

if u can't admit it how can you claim truth on your side? why try and divert and deflect the accusations brought forth?

your interpretation of Romans 9 does not give you the right to say God is illogical and breaks His own moral Law.

[simple475]

God makes you sin.

You have no choice to choose between committing a sin and not committing a sin.

But yet you are fully responsible and God is still just..because after all..who are you to question God?

is that how this goes?

is that the essence of determinism?

who are we to question God?

why should I research *even more* the 'doctrines of grace' when determinists can't even acknowledge foundational truths of their theology without denying the obvious and resorting to deflection tactics?!

[MODERATECALVINISM]

It is yours to obey ?? Hm  free will ?

[1689Baptist]

Thats right it is mine to obey. Free agency not free will. But I will make a video on this It takes me a while to get everything together.

[simple475]

hey baptist, I accidentally responded to MC instead of your comment when I wrote this comment down below.

this was meant for you, if you read it(about making the video about the robot).

God Bless~

[simple475]

o you are going to make a video about the robot?

ok, fair enough.

every movement is pre-programmed just like a robot.

I'll be looking forward to you being able to (finally after 2 weeks of saying "this is a wrong conclusion") substantiate your claims that we aren't robots even though God ordains our every thought, movement, and our very existence.

this ought to be interesting..I have no idea how you are going to defend your position honestly.

[1689Baptist]

Well when I am done you still may not agree but it is clear in my mind.I dont know how long it will take me to get this done my life lately is going 100mph.I dont want to just throw something up. I dont take these things lightly. God Bless

[simple475]

I agree, quality is priority.

but defending the position that we aren't robots even though our movements and thoughts are pre-programmed is just as INDEFENSIBLE as defending the position that God makes Adam sin, yet Adam is still at fault.

its indefensible.

[thor2me]

So, simple you are saying that a secondary causal agent can not be accountable for what the initial cause started?

I would like to know however is how did Adam know "evil" for Him to be able to choose? Secondly, why did God already have the "book of the lamb who had been slain" ? Did he not know Adam before creating Him knew that He would sin? If He WOULD HAVE to sin, what free will does he have?

[simple475]

oops, accidentally made the comment to MC instead of Baptist..sorry hehe =) ignore this comment.

[1689Baptist]

But I dont think it is inconsistent to say man does what he wants to do b/c I believe that to be a true statment.And I also believe it to be a true statment that God determines all things. I am tring to connect the 2 together

[simple475]

yea, sure..man does what he wants is true for both our worldviews.

the difference is...you say the man didn't have a choice to pull the trigger...I say he did..

[1689Baptist]

WHAT!!!!???!??!? LOLOL

[simple475]

why don't you take Jesus' advice in Mat 5:29-30 and cut God out of your life since He is the one that determines/makes you sin!

[1689Baptist]

Well considering an unsaved person loves their sin so this verse means nothing to them, a saved person reads this verse and God breaks his heart over his sin and he repents so I dont see your point.

[simple475]

sigh...

[1689Baptist]

I do understand your point but I disagree with your conclusions.You have not heard all the arguments.You wont listen to both sides of the debate all you listen to is GBFN. Before I became a Calvinist I listened to both sides with my Bible open.

[simple475]

...

done here for now.

later.

[simple475]

did you watch this video spirit?

or are you trolling? just curious.

[InTheSpirit12]

Oh, no I saw your video. Interesting topic. :)

[simple475]

ok thanks for the comment.