Master said "dont dress too good and talk to wise and let the Self fool you" There is no God in Egoism. Ego thinks and so Death comes with it. Find Life and Truth at thewayhomeorfacethefiredotnet , as Christ has promised.
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
They think with time a non-living thing can start to live,a non aware being can start to aware,Information (like DNA) can be formed without intellegence,social behaviour and technics of animals and insects are in the genes! and the best is this stuff : /watch?v=dOyc98tV5kA did evolve wings! and the ability to fly! throug random mutations and naturel selection,And they ignored completly this : /watch?v=PD6Ov8JHTfk,please hold down to the real science :)
So with all this being said, i'm assuming that the big argument between Einstein and his philosophy professor going around the internet is fake? Saying how he believed in god but he relied on faith instead of observation for this matter? It was interesting but I really dont think Einstein would've said those things.
@TErmiRNAto123 ya... Einstein did not believe in what most people call "God." He was a pantheist - a naturalistic pantheist if I remember correctly. Quotations like "God does not play dice" are not talking about a "God." When Einstein says god he is being poetic; in his words god=the universe.
Our current system has destroyed the potential of men to be like Albert Einstein. The system we live in breeds corporate slaves serving the system doing mundane, repetitive and meaningless jobs like finance, advertising, banking, movies, music etc. These are aboslutely non-contributing jobs yet these industries make the most amount of money which draws more people to it. If we don't do something, there will be no place left for innovation and the system will self perpetuate only to make profit.
i've watched hundred of videos on atheism, and would have to call my self an , although I dont wanna label myself, i am convinced and certain there is no god nor higher power. Unlike my girlfriend, who i have been with for a long time, who is as religious and god fearing\loving as a person could get.i just bullshit her and goto church and shit, constantly cutting it up lol, but to be fair to her, her and her family live by,and have maintained abnormally high standards, never smoked,drank,fucked
So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Your delusion that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your delusion is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
@MrXephyr "And thus we come back to my original question long,long ago before it was buried in bullshit...how do you know so much about God? "
More to the point,, who does al that rambling prove the existance of god. From what Ive read, his whole argument is the god of gaps.. ""This is all so wonderfull that I cant think of any other explaination than god,, for which I cant offer any proof or explaination"""
@MrXephyr Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can YOU, the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh "hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world? "
You simply copy and pasted that from another website.. probably, al-islam dot org
@podoau Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
@1tabligh "Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter"
1. There is no evidence of any wise creator. 2, it is not more logical as it then begs the question, whop created teh creator. 3, matter is not creative. It simply follows the laws of physics, mostly gravity.
"we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world ."
@1tabligh I like how you shift use of the words "delusion" and "faith" to scientific evidence. Instead of using a God of the gaps argument, perhaps go and educate yourself on general scientific law. Your mind hits a blank wall when you try to fathom natural design and this indicates the typical lack of understanding which all religious folk share in common.
Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
@MrXephyr How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@1tabligh "How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe"
They dont. They make claims based on observable evidence. While those claims hold up to testing they remain true.
@MrXephyr their devils and spectres. They have eyes but do not see, they have tongues but are dumb, and do not understand. They have ears but do not hear. They are happy in their contemptible degradation. They presume that they are well-guided. They are diverted from the rank of rational beings. They feed on the vegetation of' *polluted dirty people. They deem themselves safe from a sudden visitation of death and the retribution of deeds. Alas! How ill fated are these people!
@MrXephyr This analogy holds good in the case of those who deny the creative factor and the argument in favour of Divine Design. Failing to appreciate the merit of their provision, the perfection of creation and the beauty of design, they start wandering in the wide world, *bewildered by their inability to grasp with their *brains the underlying causes and principles. Mankind is perplexed and bewildered, blind, infatuated in their perverseness, following
@MrXephyr And this is what the ATHEISTS fail to understand and in their misguided blindness and *bewilderment they are like the blind people groping right and left not knowing the purpose for this Universe, and unaware of the underlying ingenuity, they might begin to reprimand the architect of the Universe in their offensive rage, whereas, as a matter of fact, the fault lies with their own inability to see.
@MrXephyr I don't know. ___ You don't know? Then why the hell are you quibbling in vain for? What you think, you got the brain for? Eating bananas and thinking about your so called monkey ancestors? Oh, grow up! Use you brain OR ask those who know instead of your quibbling in vain, O' Brainless cuckoo atheists with asinine mind! Give answer otherwise CLOCK OFF! NO WASTING TIME! The chain of causality cannot recede into infinity! Stupid fella!
@podoau Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
@1tabligh "Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate? "
No its not. Laws and logic are a result of the balance of physical forces. There is no intelligence required, therefore there is no god required.
@podoau Many new questions in regard to almost every principle mentioned by Darwin have arisen. For example, it is asked whether the appearance of a new organ or for that matter any other organic change, always results from the use of that organ and the attempt to adapt it to one's environment or it may be due to mutation or any other cause?
@podoau The acquired qualities are hereditable as a principle or genetic investigations have rejected this theory?
The organic changes, whatever may be their cause, are always aimed at survival and evolution or sometimes they may be due to the inconsistency with the environmental conditions and may culminate in death and extinction?
Natural selection is or is not like artificial selection which leads the existing generation to evolution?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
@MrXephyr it became somewhat understood; since all these phenomena are [but] forms of one reality, namely, energy.
Then how can the duped STUPID uncivilized brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@MrXephyr that can be analyzed and reduced to its primordial state. Thus, according to the modern analysis, energy is the substratum of the world. It is manifested in various shapes and in numerous forms, whether sonic, magnetic, electrical, chemical or mechanical.
In light of this, the duality between matter and radiation, between particles and waves, and between the appearance of electrons sometimes as matter and some other times as light was no longer strange. Rather,
In his equation, Einstein says that energy is equal to the mass of muter times the velocity of light squared (E = mc2 where E is energy, m mass, and c velocity of light). The velocity of light is equal to 186,282 miles per second. Also, the mass is equal to the energy divided by the velocity of light squared (m= E/c2).
With this, it became established that the atom with its protons and electrons is nothing in reality but concentrated energy
Stupid Brainless LYING cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
"And the parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls out to that which hears no more than a call and a cry; deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they do not understand. "
The Quran 2:171
Surely the vilest of animals, in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand.
@MrXephyr YOU became disbeliever, and because of a deficiency of your knowledge and *puerility* of intellect, began quibbling inimically with Truth, so much so that you *denied* creativeness and claimed that all this *universe* was *meaningless* and vain, without any *ingenious* design on the part of a Designer or Creator *God* - a purposeless non-entity *without* balance or poise.
Are you descending from a human ancestor or a wannabe monkey ancestor?
Do you understand english distinctly?
I said *Show me only one verse from the ***Quran***!
Any Tom Dick and Harry, including YOU the stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind, can write hadith and say "blah blah Aisha was six years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents blah blah'"
@MrXephyr Guess I hit a nerve when I pointed out ...
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Produce your evidence!
Show me only one verse from the Quran!
"And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, God is All-Aware of what they do". The Quran: [10:36]
"Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the Way of God. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie." The Quran: [6:116]
@MrXephyr I thought you are very forbearing, dignified, reasonable and of mature intellect. But you are harsh and touchy. You dont't listen to my talk very attentively. You should invite my arguments, so much so that when I have exhausted my armoury and I think to have silenced you, you, with a brief resume, stultify all my reasoning and dumfound me, so that I am left without a plank to answer the arguments of your personage. If you are of this company,
@MrXephyr What makes you think, you are a special duped wannabe monkey?
No wasting time!
Talk science otherwise clock off!
The chain of causality cannot recede into infinity!
I would discuss this issue if you can marshal well founded cogent arguments, which I will admit, otherwise you have no right to interpolate without a ken for polemics with your "blah blah blah ..."
It does not behove you to talk in the strain that you do! Never use any impropriety, nor retort aggressively.
@MrXephyr In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
@MrXephyr God never allowed His creation to remain without a Prophet deputised by Him, *OR* a book sent down from Him or a binding argument or a standing plea. These Messengers were such that they did not feel little because of smallness of their number or of largeness of the number of their falsifiers. Among them was either a predecessor who would name the one to follow or the follower who had been introduced by the predecessor.
@MrXephyr fulfil the pledges of His creation, to recall to them His bounties, to exhort them by preaching, to unveil before them the hidden virtues of wisdom and show them the signs of His Omnipotence namely the sky which is raised over them, the earth that is placed beneath them, means of living that sustain them, deaths that make them die, ailments that turn them old and incidents that successively betake them.
From his (Adam's) progeny God chose prophets and took their pledge for his revelation and for carrying His message as their trust. In course of time many people perverted God's trust with them and ignored His position and took compeers along with Him. Satan turned them away from knowing Him and kept them aloof from His worship. Then God sent His Messengers and series of His prophets towards them to get them to
@MrXephyr For, everything is under the one and the same law-the law of transformation and decline. God, our creator cannot be perceivable by the five senses for, He is not a thing-which is compound elements etc or created. If He was visible to the eye, and perceivable to the senses, He would have resembled the things that are visible and perceivable to the senses on account of their being compound and created and in that case He would no longer have remained a creator.
@MrXephyr Things are compound elements atoms etc, made of parts. Every compound elements etc possesses shape and colour that attracts the senses. Therefore, that which is felt or known by the senses, having shape and colour, cannot be God. Your argument for disbelief is foolish, because God cannot be like any of the things perceived by the senses, nor can He be said to bear any resemblance to anything which has to undergo an ordeal of change and decay.
There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities. He has not permitted human mind to grasp the Essence of His Being *YET* He has not prevented them from realising His Presence.
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
@MrXephyr Such a person in fact believes Him to exist in Parts. One who holds such a faith cannot form a true concept of God, he is IGNORANT and will always try to believe in some *creation* of his *imagination as his god.*
Intelligence, understanding and attainment cannot attain the depth of knowledge to study or scrutinise the Godhead. None can fully understand or explain His Being however hard he my try.
@MrXephyr cannot catch sight of His Person or fathom the extent of His Might and Glory. Reason and sagacity cannot visualise Him. His Attributes cannot be fixed, limited or defined.
There is no difference between His Person and His Attributes, and His Attributes should not be differentiated or distinguished from His Person. Whoever accepts His Attributes to be other than His Person then actually forsakes the idea of Unity of God and believes in duality ( He and His Attributes).
His Worth cannot be *described* even by the greatest rhetoricians of all times. No physical eye has and will ever see Him. He is so absolutely Pure and above nature, that nothing can be added to or substacted from His Being. He is with everything but not physically and bodily. His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
Human faculties of conception, perception and learning, and attributes of volition, intuition and apprehension
@1tabligh "He is so absolutely Pure and above nature, that nothing can be added to or substacted from His Being. He is with everything but not physically and bodily. His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence. "
Supply testable, repeatable evidence to support this claim
@podoau Quoting a religious book as evidence is not evidence
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Islam demands from its followers to believe in God, the Creator of the Universe, but it does not advise them to base such a belief on the statement of any religious book or any authoritative words, not even the word of the Holy Qur'an or of the holy Prophet. Our belief in a holy book, such as the Qur'an, or in a holy prophet, such as Mohammad, *must* be preceded by our belief in God.
@podoau A religious book is holy because it is introduced by a man whom we consider a prophet. Prophethood is conceivable only if there is God, because a prophet is a messenger of God. Our belief in God, therefore, *must* come before our belief in a religious book or a prophet, *not* vice versa.
So what makes anyone a prophet ?? You just decide ?? Who makes that judgement ?? Sounds like self serving nonsense. Lets make mohummad a prophpet, because that will give credibility to our unfoundered beleifs.
"Prophethood is conceivable only if there is God"
The prove that there is a god, otherwise the whole issue is self serving circular logic
@podoau What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
@1tabligh "What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will,"
Pretty much all of them.
" being the product of mere nature"
Pretty much all of them
"nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil"
You dont understand evolution, or basic biology do you
@podoau No religious book is believed by all people, and no prophet is universally recognized. Therefore, it would be *futile* to rely on an authoritative statement of a prophet or a holy book when dealing with an *atheist* who disclaims all heavenly revelations and denies the whole concept of God.
@podoau Supply testable, repeatable evidence to support this claim
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We discover the existence of an objective law from within the totality of phenomena that it is capable of interpreting. If, then, the establishment of scientific truth is possible only by means of direct sensation, the majority of scientific truths will have to be discarded, since many scientific facts cannot be perceived by means of sensory experience or *testing*.
@podoau If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
I always liked his quote, "God doesn't play dice with the universe!" Yet I can understand being skeptical when so much of religion is duty instead of true love. But I think truly Einstein was a romantic! And all romantics are believers in love which is suppose to be what God is anyways.
I'm going to have to agree with Itchy here, there is now nor were there ever an intelligent design by means of divine creation. Its simply ridiculous and without tangible evidence. And calling any act in nature a phenomenon is terribly ignorant. What of natural selection? What about instinct? Both of these required millions of years, and just as we humans learn from mistakes, nature too has the same opportunity.
Let me end with this. If god has a divine plan to which he knows the outcome, otherwise known as predestine, then "sin" itself would be irrelevant and a fallibility of god. This would be the point where a christian would say, "oh but god gave us free will" well i'm sorry but that's a bs cop out. One cannot have both freewill and be predestine to an after life. Also there were humans dying on this planet before the birth of Christ, does god give them a special place in eternity? Laughable
mans wisdom=foolishness to God. Einstein is in hell burning, regretting every second he denied Christ the Lord. Oh well, too bad for him, repent and believe the Gospel. See ya
Hear what God of Israel YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH (Son and Father are ONE) saying to our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com ; Letter called "Purify Your Faith, and Come to the Father as It is Written": EXCERPT: "Only in the Bible and through these very Letters, of which I have given to My prophet of the end of this age, shall you find Him and know Him."
it became somewhat understood; since all these phenomena are [but] forms of one reality, namely, energy.
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh so the next logical step is god right ? i hate religious types that try and act like theyre operating on some sort of logic. theres a reason so many people are drawn to religion, especially those with low iqs. Its it a genetic thing, why else would man have links back as far as is known ? why else did mans close relative the extinct neanderthal have similar views ? youll often find the so called religious have completely contradictary views such as that of astrology,karma etc
@WritingTitan Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
i hate religious types that try and act like theyre operating on some sort of logic.
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God and Empirical Logic.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the logic of the empirical sciences and to fail to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that logic.
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
@1tabligh youre starting by first assuming that a god is real and then using a theory that could apply to many possible things to back up this claim. If one doesnt know the answer they should suspend answering until enough evidence is collected for it. Its so obvious how religious people come up with these ridiculous illogical beliefs and its by using god as the forethought and the scientific evidence as the afterthought.
Is it not more *logical* to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
@WritingTitan Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more *logical* than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
@WritingTitan Is it *logical* to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
@WritingTitan Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry etc, of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
What is called science by the *science-worshippers of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
The argument of an IGNORANT!
Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
@1tabligh Not really, i was not asked a single question was I? You dont ask a single question, just ramble a load of nonsense, then finish with "praise is due to allah" very laughable, like a child trying to argue.
Haha man i wonder what website you are quoting from! It is really sad to see an arrogant, ignorant, gullible person make a laughing stock of himself online.
Yes, it is possible...Happy?
I have just realised i have seen you before. All you do is quote nonsense then ramble. boring.
@itchygonads Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
@1tabligh LOL now who is avoiding stuff? What is this? you answer me questions and i have to answer them all? Idiot. No, it wouldnt AT ALL. Things occur in nature. A hawk will drop a turtle from the sky onto a rock to break its shell...Does that rock have a meaning?
You are a lying coward. ALL you are doing here is copy and pasting from dishonest websites. You are a worm.
even if any of the nonsense you said was true, which it isnt, what would make your version of god true? Nothing. Infant.
@itchygonads What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
@1tabligh It does to an extent, but not to a divine level. You can see this through evolution, kidneys of all animals function in different ways, even within the species. What is the intelligent design for male nipples? Or wisdom teeth?
Now i have no wish to continue this, as once again you avoid answering anything in return, and instead copy & paste amateur "philosophy" in a vain attempt to justify your laughable beliefs, it truly is like a kid shouting, while sticking his fingers in his ears.
@itchygonads Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
that can be analyzed and reduced to its primordial state. Thus, according to the modern analysis, energy is the substratum of the world. It is manifested in various shapes and in numerous forms, whether sonic, magnetic, electrical, chemical or mechanical.
In light of this, the duality between matter and radiation, between particles and waves, and between the appearance of electrons sometimes as matter and some other times as light was no longer strange. Rather,
In his equation, Einstein says that energy is equal to the mass of muter times the velocity of light squared (E = mc2 where E is energy, m mass, and c velocity of light). The velocity of light is equal to 186,282 miles per second. Also, the mass is equal to the energy divided by the velocity of light squared (m= E/c2).
With this, it became established that the atom with its protons and electrons is nothing in reality but concentrated energy
Religion and God (I include all religions and gods) Are wonderful things that can be used to help the human race make peace and maybe survive a little longer when believed in fully with the heart (not just "practiced"). But each different "organized religion" is full of self furfilling focus such they cannot or will not accept the other's teaching and beliefs. I am a religous person but I do not believe in "organized" religion, I think that was Einstein's main point. I welcome your ideas, thanks
@jimmythegentify You are correct; many historians believe more people have been killed in the name of Christianity (since it's origin) then for all other modern day "causes" put together. And prior to that, the Myans, Egyptians, Chinese, etc, etc. waged war and slaughtered one another in the name of some religion or another. I only stated religions "CAN be used to help the human race" not that it will solve all man's aggressions or cure their prejudices. And no, I'm not blind, just open minded.
Those who use religion to find deeper understanding for themselves are fine. It's the religious people who go out of their way to make someone else believe what they do.
I choose to worship God through science, remaining humbly agnostic in the proces while convecting straight towards pantheism. A quest for truth? No. A quest for amazement and wonder. But I can't help but hope to catch a glimpse of it along the way.
@consuetudinariness Arriving at the truth? Try looking for a video called 'The true core of the Jesus myth- Christopher Hutchens' you can thank me later. Maybe you could try expanding your mind a little by gathering information.
And btw, most, if not all, of those catastrophes and calamities you referred to were motivated by people who decided that their theology, their beliefs, gave them the right to commit acts of unspeakable horror under the banner of righteousness.
No religion please! Bunch of lies. Exactly holes I dont have the answers and neither do you. For me god is connected consciousness that use our souls to interact with others in life so that when we die we feel at peace with those we love because life tought us to love 1 another in my opinion. The world around us? Earth and the moon! Ok maybe your not afraid of dying but your afraid of admitting the possibilty of god, just sticking to your guns.
Nobody Knows! Nobody. Atheist are afraid and beleivers are confused. I admit that I beleive but I could be wrong and if Iam then to me life is pointless,
@wezatch: It's sad that life would be considered pointless, based on whether your view that some transcended being exists or not is true. It only is pointless if you consider it such, other than that life is full of purpose. Your purpose.
@Mattnesss Good comment, Im not saying I dont enjoy life I do the animals and other natural things make this Earth awhole better place, but it is man/woman who has judge whether God exist or not. So we live in a world of hurt because we are all still childish at the end of the day. What would be the point of life respect the Earth which we dont and befreind one another globally im sorry there is a bigger picture here in my opinion.
@wezatch What exactly are Atheists afraid of? I mean, I'm afraid of big angry dogs, drowning, etc. But I think you're implying that we are afraid God exists...or at least something along those lines. Which is a bit like saying, "I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm afraid of his existence." This of course just sounds like more rhetoric used to cull and call the masses of religious believers. "Atheists don't believe in God because they've made choices for themselves, they're just afraid."
@oriondos Maybe read my comment? Lol I'm an atheist bruh and what I wrote was in response to an individual making claims about scared atheists. Thanks for your time though!
@MustyMicrobe In my opinion I think that atheist deny the existence of god because they are 'afraid' of being cast down in society by beleiving in somthing that isnt psyically real, that to me is lack of faith. So they stick to their guns and blind beleivers with science, not forgetting that we are all still barbaric and if you disagree then look at the middle east or hiroshima not even a 100 years ago as I originally stated nobody knows. We have not even left our solar system.
@wezatch Man, there are a lot of holes here bro. I think we should establish some definition of God for our little debate. Until then, as an atheist, I'll address your comments; I am not afraid of being cast down in society. We live in a majority Christian country. If anything, it would be more socially acceptable to believe in the doctrines and gods therein. I'm not sure "blind believers" is an appropriate title for those of us who respect and trust science to tell us about the world around us.
@wezatch Cntd - Secondly, you've never heard God speak, you've never seen Him in all of His glory, never touched his Eternal mustache. If believing in something that you cannot hear, see, smell, taste, and touch isn't blind belief, I don't know what is.
@MustyMicrobe Him? Who is him? Mate just admit you have faith in something higher than a simple plain old human being. Its ok to beleive in a creator it took me untill i'd eaten magic mushrooms to find mother nature.
O just because Ive done certain activities does not mean that Im in the wrong because of some law, a plain old simple human being implemented.
@wezatch Lol you sir, are a fuckin' weirdo. Keep on with your soul medium consciousness. I'll stay here in reality where the magic sky daddy and your wispy mind spirits are but the imagination of goofballs like yourself. Again, have a good one :)
@ArctheDark Einstein's definition of God is different from how religion defines God. Also, it is ambiguous. Einstein acknowledges that his (our) minds are "limited." So, if our minds are limited, there are concepts he (we) do not understand, so that is why he wrongly considers religion to be unable to explain facts and their relationships. Einstein's God is the harmony of the physical world. He is wrong. The physical world cannot have harmony without a Supreme Being's supervision.
@consuetudinariness Or several billions years of evolution, a trail-by-error process in which the best traits survive and the weak ones disappear. Which has physical evidence to back it up.
But yeah, a wizard did it. Playing the 'It's beyond our comprehension so give your money to those guys in the robes who fuck the choir boys' is also an acceptable explanation.
Christopher Hutchen' "What has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
@ArctheDark It is not about money; it is about arriving at the truth. Einstein acknowledged that the human mind was limited, so you cannot understand everything self-evidently. If humans were competent enough to run the world, then there would not have been so many wars and other catastrophic calamities. Think about it...
@consuetudinariness Historically religion was a way of controlling people. If you could claim yourself as supernatural then you could influence them. Not naming any names here though....
@locololonumber2 historically, religion has been a reaction to injustice/suffering in the world. christianity (and subsects of christianity), islam, and buddhism all can be traced back to a time in which a society needed improvement.
@ArctheDark Yes, God can be easily seen. You need to look around and see God in the harmony of the universe--a harmony created by a Supreme Being. Moreover, you need to define logic. The fact that the human mind is limited causes misunderstandings about God. If human beings were able to run the world without causing disasters, there would have been no Prophet Isa (Jesus Christ), etc. Ask WHY there were prophets instead of attacking religion.
@consuetudinariness Define logic? What? Logic is just the process of seeing cause and effect and making connections based on the evidence we've gathered as individuals and collectively.
Besides ancient and heavily translated versions of religious texts (which contain stories with more holes than a chain link fence, like Noah's Ark) what proof you do have to back up your assertions that God exists? Why are their no miracles or Prophets now? Are you SURE they existed in the first place?
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seems Einstein was atheist and theist at the same time
fundieangel 1 week ago
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kainoachristian 1 week ago
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Master said "dont dress too good and talk to wise and let the Self fool you" There is no God in Egoism. Ego thinks and so Death comes with it. Find Life and Truth at thewayhomeorfacethefiredotnet , as Christ has promised.
TheAlibaba40tencuop 1 week ago
Very Very Very Interesting.
dancer8164 2 weeks ago
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The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 2 weeks ago
Einstein had a deistic view of god. In other words, he believed in a simple creator force, not a personal god who punishes and rewards.
TempleOfInanna2 3 weeks ago
@TempleOfInanna2 Creator force? I doubt that. The word god is very confusing, subjective and I believe we should cease to use it.
Konicava 1 week ago
1:53 Einstein und Tommy Lee Johnes! 😁
74pbg 3 weeks ago
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They think with time a non-living thing can start to live,a non aware being can start to aware,Information (like DNA) can be formed without intellegence,social behaviour and technics of animals and insects are in the genes! and the best is this stuff : /watch?v=dOyc98tV5kA did evolve wings! and the ability to fly! throug random mutations and naturel selection,And they ignored completly this : /watch?v=PD6Ov8JHTfk,please hold down to the real science :)
YamiYami17 3 weeks ago
So with all this being said, i'm assuming that the big argument between Einstein and his philosophy professor going around the internet is fake? Saying how he believed in god but he relied on faith instead of observation for this matter? It was interesting but I really dont think Einstein would've said those things.
TErmiRNAto123 4 weeks ago
@TErmiRNAto123 ya... Einstein did not believe in what most people call "God." He was a pantheist - a naturalistic pantheist if I remember correctly. Quotations like "God does not play dice" are not talking about a "God." When Einstein says god he is being poetic; in his words god=the universe.
red666111 3 weeks ago
@TErmiRNAto123 100% fake.
fegu 3 weeks ago
Our current system has destroyed the potential of men to be like Albert Einstein. The system we live in breeds corporate slaves serving the system doing mundane, repetitive and meaningless jobs like finance, advertising, banking, movies, music etc. These are aboslutely non-contributing jobs yet these industries make the most amount of money which draws more people to it. If we don't do something, there will be no place left for innovation and the system will self perpetuate only to make profit.
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@FreeFromWar Einstein and Francis collins, Antony Flew all came to this conclusion, that the universe was created it had a beginning a cause!
The ridiculous atheist claims the universe or multi universes always existed! What Nonsense, and that belief system requires faith as well.
5tonyvvvv 4 weeks ago
i've watched hundred of videos on atheism, and would have to call my self an , although I dont wanna label myself, i am convinced and certain there is no god nor higher power. Unlike my girlfriend, who i have been with for a long time, who is as religious and god fearing\loving as a person could get.i just bullshit her and goto church and shit, constantly cutting it up lol, but to be fair to her, her and her family live by,and have maintained abnormally high standards, never smoked,drank,fucked
JusBlazeDR 1 month ago
Christianity breeds so many atheists.When these intellectuals speak about god and religion they are deeply confined to the christian paradigm.
borrogove 1 month ago
So he didn't believe in a personal, malicious and vengeful god, but that's not to say he didn't believe in some 'force'.
rom2014 1 month ago
@MrXephyr get fucked.
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So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Your delusion that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your delusion is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@MrXephyr "And thus we come back to my original question long,long ago before it was buried in bullshit...how do you know so much about God? "
More to the point,, who does al that rambling prove the existance of god. From what Ive read, his whole argument is the god of gaps.. ""This is all so wonderfull that I cant think of any other explaination than god,, for which I cant offer any proof or explaination"""
podoau 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can YOU, the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh "hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world? "
You simply copy and pasted that from another website.. probably, al-islam dot org
Are you capable of your own thoughts ???
podoau 1 month ago
@podoau Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter"
1. There is no evidence of any wise creator. 2, it is not more logical as it then begs the question, whop created teh creator. 3, matter is not creative. It simply follows the laws of physics, mostly gravity.
"we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world ."
no one ever said matter had intelligence.
podoau 1 month ago
@1tabligh I like how you shift use of the words "delusion" and "faith" to scientific evidence. Instead of using a God of the gaps argument, perhaps go and educate yourself on general scientific law. Your mind hits a blank wall when you try to fathom natural design and this indicates the typical lack of understanding which all religious folk share in common.
Run along boy.
Galaxy360 1 month ago
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@Galaxy360 The atheist Delusion!
Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "*believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves"
They didnt.
"and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?"
They dont
podoau 1 month ago
@MrXephyr How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe"
They dont. They make claims based on observable evidence. While those claims hold up to testing they remain true.
You also gopied that quote from the same website
Where is your testable evidnece for god ??
podoau 1 month ago
@MrXephyr their devils and spectres. They have eyes but do not see, they have tongues but are dumb, and do not understand. They have ears but do not hear. They are happy in their contemptible degradation. They presume that they are well-guided. They are diverted from the rank of rational beings. They feed on the vegetation of' *polluted dirty people. They deem themselves safe from a sudden visitation of death and the retribution of deeds. Alas! How ill fated are these people!
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr This analogy holds good in the case of those who deny the creative factor and the argument in favour of Divine Design. Failing to appreciate the merit of their provision, the perfection of creation and the beauty of design, they start wandering in the wide world, *bewildered by their inability to grasp with their *brains the underlying causes and principles. Mankind is perplexed and bewildered, blind, infatuated in their perverseness, following
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr And this is what the ATHEISTS fail to understand and in their misguided blindness and *bewilderment they are like the blind people groping right and left not knowing the purpose for this Universe, and unaware of the underlying ingenuity, they might begin to reprimand the architect of the Universe in their offensive rage, whereas, as a matter of fact, the fault lies with their own inability to see.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@MrXephyr "Guess I hit a nerve when I pointed out that your prophet was a bloodthirsty pedo "
Correct. mohammud was a bloodthirsty pedophile
podoau 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Which questions are these?
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Oh, grief!
Are you deaf, dumb (and) blind, so you do not understand.?
They are right there in front of your nose!
But you refuse to acknowledged!
READ MY COMMENTS WITH YOUR INTELLECT AND NOT WITH YOUR WANNABE MONKEY EMOTIONS!
Science is too heavy for you to comprehend, now go to mamma and drink some milk instead!
Stupid Brainless cuckoo fella with asinine mind!
1tabligh 1 month ago
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr You still don't get it, do you?
No wasting time!
I have already in my inbox more then 11464 replies from wannabes monkeys, teachers, profs, scientists etc!
What makes you think, you are a special duped wannabe monkey?
TALK SCIENCE and answer the questions OTHERWISE CLOCK OFF!
Stupid Brainless cuckoo fella with asinine mind!
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh "
""What makes you think, you are a special duped wannabe monkey? ""
you dont understand evolution do
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podoau 1 month ago
@podoau Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate? "
No its not. Laws and logic are a result of the balance of physical forces. There is no intelligence required, therefore there is no god required.
You really need to study physics
podoau 1 month ago
@podoau Many new questions in regard to almost every principle mentioned by Darwin have arisen. For example, it is asked whether the appearance of a new organ or for that matter any other organic change, always results from the use of that organ and the attempt to adapt it to one's environment or it may be due to mutation or any other cause?
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "or it may be due to mutation or any other cause? "
All new organs are a result of mutations. Those that work give an advantage and thus survival. Those that dont work dont survive.
There is no concious decision to make a new organ.
Study some biology
podoau 1 month ago
@podoau The acquired qualities are hereditable as a principle or genetic investigations have rejected this theory?
The organic changes, whatever may be their cause, are always aimed at survival and evolution or sometimes they may be due to the inconsistency with the environmental conditions and may culminate in death and extinction?
Natural selection is or is not like artificial selection which leads the existing generation to evolution?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Answer the questions
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Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions! "
We answer the questions that have evidence supporting the answer, rather than just make up shit that supports our unfounded beleifs
podoau 1 month ago
@MrXephyr God and Empirical Logic.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Are you playing monkey tricks with me?
Are you a Christian, agnostic or what?
I am a Shiite Muslim!
Then why are you ashamed to say who you are?
Stupid fella!
Are you wasting my time?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr it became somewhat understood; since all these phenomena are [but] forms of one reality, namely, energy.
Then how can the duped STUPID uncivilized brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Poor fella!
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr that can be analyzed and reduced to its primordial state. Thus, according to the modern analysis, energy is the substratum of the world. It is manifested in various shapes and in numerous forms, whether sonic, magnetic, electrical, chemical or mechanical.
In light of this, the duality between matter and radiation, between particles and waves, and between the appearance of electrons sometimes as matter and some other times as light was no longer strange. Rather,
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Albert Einstein
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In his equation, Einstein says that energy is equal to the mass of muter times the velocity of light squared (E = mc2 where E is energy, m mass, and c velocity of light). The velocity of light is equal to 186,282 miles per second. Also, the mass is equal to the energy divided by the velocity of light squared (m= E/c2).
With this, it became established that the atom with its protons and electrons is nothing in reality but concentrated energy
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Who said I was an atheist?
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Then why are you ashamed to say who you are?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr The where did you pull that from?
Was it from YOUR big S ...?
Stupid Brainless LYING cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
"And the parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls out to that which hears no more than a call and a cry; deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they do not understand. "
The Quran 2:171
Surely the vilest of animals, in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand.
The Quran Chapter 8, Verse 22
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh "The Quran 2:171 "
Quoting from your fairytale book somehow proves something ??
podoau 1 month ago
@MrXephyr YOU became disbeliever, and because of a deficiency of your knowledge and *puerility* of intellect, began quibbling inimically with Truth, so much so that you *denied* creativeness and claimed that all this *universe* was *meaningless* and vain, without any *ingenious* design on the part of a Designer or Creator *God* - a purposeless non-entity *without* balance or poise.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr You still don't get it, do you?
Are you descending from a human ancestor or a wannabe monkey ancestor?
Do you understand english distinctly?
I said *Show me only one verse from the ***Quran***!
Any Tom Dick and Harry, including YOU the stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind, can write hadith and say "blah blah Aisha was six years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents blah blah'"
LIAR
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Guess I hit a nerve when I pointed out ...
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Produce your evidence!
Show me only one verse from the Quran!
"And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, God is All-Aware of what they do". The Quran: [10:36]
"Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the Way of God. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie." The Quran: [6:116]
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr then talk to me in the same strain.
No wasting time!
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr I thought you are very forbearing, dignified, reasonable and of mature intellect. But you are harsh and touchy. You dont't listen to my talk very attentively. You should invite my arguments, so much so that when I have exhausted my armoury and I think to have silenced you, you, with a brief resume, stultify all my reasoning and dumfound me, so that I am left without a plank to answer the arguments of your personage. If you are of this company,
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr What makes you think, you are a special duped wannabe monkey?
No wasting time!
Talk science otherwise clock off!
The chain of causality cannot recede into infinity!
I would discuss this issue if you can marshal well founded cogent arguments, which I will admit, otherwise you have no right to interpolate without a ken for polemics with your "blah blah blah ..."
It does not behove you to talk in the strain that you do! Never use any impropriety, nor retort aggressively.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr
The argument of an IGNORANT!
So much polemics and science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Hiding your ignorance and arrogance under your stupid pretext of "blah blah blah"!
Ever heard "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."?
You still don't get it, do you?
I have already in my inbox more then 13390 replies from wannabes monkeys, teachers, profs, scientists etc!
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
(Quran Chapter 2, Verse 136)
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr God never allowed His creation to remain without a Prophet deputised by Him, *OR* a book sent down from Him or a binding argument or a standing plea. These Messengers were such that they did not feel little because of smallness of their number or of largeness of the number of their falsifiers. Among them was either a predecessor who would name the one to follow or the follower who had been introduced by the predecessor.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr fulfil the pledges of His creation, to recall to them His bounties, to exhort them by preaching, to unveil before them the hidden virtues of wisdom and show them the signs of His Omnipotence namely the sky which is raised over them, the earth that is placed beneath them, means of living that sustain them, deaths that make them die, ailments that turn them old and incidents that successively betake them.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Through the Prophets of God. simple.
God chooses His Prophets
From his (Adam's) progeny God chose prophets and took their pledge for his revelation and for carrying His message as their trust. In course of time many people perverted God's trust with them and ignored His position and took compeers along with Him. Satan turned them away from knowing Him and kept them aloof from His worship. Then God sent His Messengers and series of His prophets towards them to get them to
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr For, everything is under the one and the same law-the law of transformation and decline. God, our creator cannot be perceivable by the five senses for, He is not a thing-which is compound elements etc or created. If He was visible to the eye, and perceivable to the senses, He would have resembled the things that are visible and perceivable to the senses on account of their being compound and created and in that case He would no longer have remained a creator.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Things are compound elements atoms etc, made of parts. Every compound elements etc possesses shape and colour that attracts the senses. Therefore, that which is felt or known by the senses, having shape and colour, cannot be God. Your argument for disbelief is foolish, because God cannot be like any of the things perceived by the senses, nor can He be said to bear any resemblance to anything which has to undergo an ordeal of change and decay.
1tabligh 1 month ago
There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities. He has not permitted human mind to grasp the Essence of His Being *YET* He has not prevented them from realising His Presence.
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4 And there is none *like *unto Him.
The Quran Chapter 112
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh "There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities"
How do you know ?
" He has not permitted human mind to grasp the Essence of His Being"
How do you know ?? Got any proof ??
Quoting a religious book as evidence is not evidence
podoau 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Such a person in fact believes Him to exist in Parts. One who holds such a faith cannot form a true concept of God, he is IGNORANT and will always try to believe in some *creation* of his *imagination as his god.*
Intelligence, understanding and attainment cannot attain the depth of knowledge to study or scrutinise the Godhead. None can fully understand or explain His Being however hard he my try.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr cannot catch sight of His Person or fathom the extent of His Might and Glory. Reason and sagacity cannot visualise Him. His Attributes cannot be fixed, limited or defined.
There is no difference between His Person and His Attributes, and His Attributes should not be differentiated or distinguished from His Person. Whoever accepts His Attributes to be other than His Person then actually forsakes the idea of Unity of God and believes in duality ( He and His Attributes).
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrXephyr Can you describe God.
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His Worth cannot be *described* even by the greatest rhetoricians of all times. No physical eye has and will ever see Him. He is so absolutely Pure and above nature, that nothing can be added to or substacted from His Being. He is with everything but not physically and bodily. His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
Human faculties of conception, perception and learning, and attributes of volition, intuition and apprehension
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh "He is so absolutely Pure and above nature, that nothing can be added to or substacted from His Being. He is with everything but not physically and bodily. His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence. "
Supply testable, repeatable evidence to support this claim
podoau 1 month ago
@podoau Quoting a religious book as evidence is not evidence
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Islam demands from its followers to believe in God, the Creator of the Universe, but it does not advise them to base such a belief on the statement of any religious book or any authoritative words, not even the word of the Holy Qur'an or of the holy Prophet. Our belief in a holy book, such as the Qur'an, or in a holy prophet, such as Mohammad, *must* be preceded by our belief in God.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "Our belief in a holy book, such as the Qur'an, or in a holy prophet, such as Mohammad, *must* be preceded by our belief in God. "
Then provide observable, testable, repeatable evidence that god exists
podoau 1 month ago
@podoau A religious book is holy because it is introduced by a man whom we consider a prophet. Prophethood is conceivable only if there is God, because a prophet is a messenger of God. Our belief in God, therefore, *must* come before our belief in a religious book or a prophet, *not* vice versa.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh " a man whom we consider a prophet"
So what makes anyone a prophet ?? You just decide ?? Who makes that judgement ?? Sounds like self serving nonsense. Lets make mohummad a prophpet, because that will give credibility to our unfoundered beleifs.
"Prophethood is conceivable only if there is God"
The prove that there is a god, otherwise the whole issue is self serving circular logic
podoau 1 month ago
@podoau What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will,"
Pretty much all of them.
" being the product of mere nature"
Pretty much all of them
"nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil"
You dont understand evolution, or basic biology do you
podoau 1 month ago
@podoau No religious book is believed by all people, and no prophet is universally recognized. Therefore, it would be *futile* to rely on an authoritative statement of a prophet or a holy book when dealing with an *atheist* who disclaims all heavenly revelations and denies the whole concept of God.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "when dealing with an *atheist* who disclaims all heavenly revelations and denies the whole concept of God."
We dont deny the concept. We just want to see the evidence.
podoau 1 month ago
@podoau Supply testable, repeatable evidence to support this claim
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We discover the existence of an objective law from within the totality of phenomena that it is capable of interpreting. If, then, the establishment of scientific truth is possible only by means of direct sensation, the majority of scientific truths will have to be discarded, since many scientific facts cannot be perceived by means of sensory experience or *testing*.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@podoau If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh " through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence"
Atheists dont say god doesnt exist. we just dont beleive because there is no evidence.
All your saying is it cant be proved that god doesnt exist, so therefore he does.
Do you beleive in leprecauns or dragons ??? Can you prove they dont exist because you cannot perceive the existence of a thing ??
podoau 1 month ago
I always liked his quote, "God doesn't play dice with the universe!" Yet I can understand being skeptical when so much of religion is duty instead of true love. But I think truly Einstein was a romantic! And all romantics are believers in love which is suppose to be what God is anyways.
zekewheel 1 month ago
At 2:43 he says this people who would use this video to prove their opinion make him angry.
2bulr 1 month ago
Mysticality questions experience, god can only be defined as conscious experience, is there any context within anything within any belief?
DrFruedienslip 1 month ago
dat mustache...
canef3ar 1 month ago
I'm going to have to agree with Itchy here, there is now nor were there ever an intelligent design by means of divine creation. Its simply ridiculous and without tangible evidence. And calling any act in nature a phenomenon is terribly ignorant. What of natural selection? What about instinct? Both of these required millions of years, and just as we humans learn from mistakes, nature too has the same opportunity.
FieryLeo13 1 month ago
Let me end with this. If god has a divine plan to which he knows the outcome, otherwise known as predestine, then "sin" itself would be irrelevant and a fallibility of god. This would be the point where a christian would say, "oh but god gave us free will" well i'm sorry but that's a bs cop out. One cannot have both freewill and be predestine to an after life. Also there were humans dying on this planet before the birth of Christ, does god give them a special place in eternity? Laughable
FieryLeo13 1 month ago
everyone will know there is god , Jesus ! soon or later
tonyfengxu 1 month ago
@tonyfengxu Trolls... Nothing to see here folks.
Miranox2 1 month ago
@tonyfengxu Hell, I know for sure Baby Jesus buttplugs do exist, but Jesus? Don't be silly.
divinegod102 1 month ago
can someone please convert it in hindi?
Rohit1955131 2 months ago
mans wisdom=foolishness to God. Einstein is in hell burning, regretting every second he denied Christ the Lord. Oh well, too bad for him, repent and believe the Gospel. See ya
prophetsarereal 2 months ago
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Hear what God of Israel YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH (Son and Father are ONE) saying to our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com ; Letter called "Purify Your Faith, and Come to the Father as It is Written": EXCERPT: "Only in the Bible and through these very Letters, of which I have given to My prophet of the end of this age, shall you find Him and know Him."
Watch:
"youtube.com/watch?v=INH-lNUQQZg"
"youtube.com/watch?v=lutJYDxP6ys"
"youtube.com/watch?v=R9ike7PKd8U"
Regards.
TrumpetCallofGodLT 2 months ago
it became somewhat understood; since all these phenomena are [but] forms of one reality, namely, energy.
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 2 months ago
@1tabligh so the next logical step is god right ? i hate religious types that try and act like theyre operating on some sort of logic. theres a reason so many people are drawn to religion, especially those with low iqs. Its it a genetic thing, why else would man have links back as far as is known ? why else did mans close relative the extinct neanderthal have similar views ? youll often find the so called religious have completely contradictary views such as that of astrology,karma etc
WritingTitan 2 months ago
@WritingTitan Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 2 months ago
i hate religious types that try and act like theyre operating on some sort of logic.
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God and Empirical Logic.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the logic of the empirical sciences and to fail to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that logic.
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 2 months ago
@1tabligh youre starting by first assuming that a god is real and then using a theory that could apply to many possible things to back up this claim. If one doesnt know the answer they should suspend answering until enough evidence is collected for it. Its so obvious how religious people come up with these ridiculous illogical beliefs and its by using god as the forethought and the scientific evidence as the afterthought.
WritingTitan 2 months ago
@WritingTitan these ridiculous illogical beliefs
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Is it not more *logical* to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 2 months ago
@WritingTitan Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more *logical* than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
1tabligh 2 months ago
@WritingTitan Is it *logical* to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
1tabligh 2 months ago
@WritingTitan Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
1tabligh 2 months ago
Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry etc, of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
1tabligh 2 months ago
What is called science by the *science-worshippers of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 2 months ago
@1tabligh hahaha what a moron.
itchygonads 1 month ago
@itchygonads hahaha what a moron.
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Poor fella!
So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
The argument of an IGNORANT!
Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh Not really, i was not asked a single question was I? You dont ask a single question, just ramble a load of nonsense, then finish with "praise is due to allah" very laughable, like a child trying to argue.
Haha man i wonder what website you are quoting from! It is really sad to see an arrogant, ignorant, gullible person make a laughing stock of himself online.
Yes, it is possible...Happy?
I have just realised i have seen you before. All you do is quote nonsense then ramble. boring.
itchygonads 1 month ago
@itchygonads Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh LOL now who is avoiding stuff? What is this? you answer me questions and i have to answer them all? Idiot. No, it wouldnt AT ALL. Things occur in nature. A hawk will drop a turtle from the sky onto a rock to break its shell...Does that rock have a meaning?
You are a lying coward. ALL you are doing here is copy and pasting from dishonest websites. You are a worm.
even if any of the nonsense you said was true, which it isnt, what would make your version of god true? Nothing. Infant.
itchygonads 1 month ago
@itchygonads What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh It does to an extent, but not to a divine level. You can see this through evolution, kidneys of all animals function in different ways, even within the species. What is the intelligent design for male nipples? Or wisdom teeth?
Now i have no wish to continue this, as once again you avoid answering anything in return, and instead copy & paste amateur "philosophy" in a vain attempt to justify your laughable beliefs, it truly is like a kid shouting, while sticking his fingers in his ears.
itchygonads 1 month ago
@itchygonads Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 1 month ago
that can be analyzed and reduced to its primordial state. Thus, according to the modern analysis, energy is the substratum of the world. It is manifested in various shapes and in numerous forms, whether sonic, magnetic, electrical, chemical or mechanical.
In light of this, the duality between matter and radiation, between particles and waves, and between the appearance of electrons sometimes as matter and some other times as light was no longer strange. Rather,
1tabligh 2 months ago
The atheist Delusion!
In his equation, Einstein says that energy is equal to the mass of muter times the velocity of light squared (E = mc2 where E is energy, m mass, and c velocity of light). The velocity of light is equal to 186,282 miles per second. Also, the mass is equal to the energy divided by the velocity of light squared (m= E/c2).
With this, it became established that the atom with its protons and electrons is nothing in reality but concentrated energy
1tabligh 2 months ago
I like snowflakes
loveis891 2 months ago 6
Religion and God (I include all religions and gods) Are wonderful things that can be used to help the human race make peace and maybe survive a little longer when believed in fully with the heart (not just "practiced"). But each different "organized religion" is full of self furfilling focus such they cannot or will not accept the other's teaching and beliefs. I am a religous person but I do not believe in "organized" religion, I think that was Einstein's main point. I welcome your ideas, thanks
91fatboy51 2 months ago
@91fatboy51 religious beliefs and dogma have resulted in mass slaughter - are you blind to this fact
jimmythegentify 2 months ago
@jimmythegentify You are correct; many historians believe more people have been killed in the name of Christianity (since it's origin) then for all other modern day "causes" put together. And prior to that, the Myans, Egyptians, Chinese, etc, etc. waged war and slaughtered one another in the name of some religion or another. I only stated religions "CAN be used to help the human race" not that it will solve all man's aggressions or cure their prejudices. And no, I'm not blind, just open minded.
91fatboy51 2 months ago
God exists. youtube.com/user/shanwan321?feature=mhee
shanwan321 2 months ago
Einstein looks pretty chilled out
orbital92hotmail 2 months ago 10
@orbital92hotmail All these old school intellectual bods seem to be chilling on mellow gear of some sort
DanielBowden1975 1 month ago
Religion aside... Who else is diggin the snow flakes?
rkcraigslist51907 2 months ago
Those who use religion to find deeper understanding for themselves are fine. It's the religious people who go out of their way to make someone else believe what they do.
locololonumber2 2 months ago
Religion is not about arriving at the truth, bus avoiding it.
Mtfeenstra 2 months ago
@Mtfeenstra Ridiculous statement.
consuetudinariness 2 months ago
@Mtfeenstra ignorant statement. But understand you.
Canadianloyalist123 2 months ago
Yes, but the German quotes are terrible.
Mtfeenstra 2 months ago
I choose to worship God through science, remaining humbly agnostic in the proces while convecting straight towards pantheism. A quest for truth? No. A quest for amazement and wonder. But I can't help but hope to catch a glimpse of it along the way.
icternol 2 months ago
The fool was legit.
nhall022 2 months ago
@consuetudinariness Arriving at the truth? Try looking for a video called 'The true core of the Jesus myth- Christopher Hutchens' you can thank me later. Maybe you could try expanding your mind a little by gathering information.
And btw, most, if not all, of those catastrophes and calamities you referred to were motivated by people who decided that their theology, their beliefs, gave them the right to commit acts of unspeakable horror under the banner of righteousness.
ArctheDark 2 months ago
@ArctheDark Those who use religion to cause disasters are not religious. Learn the difference.
consuetudinariness 2 months ago
Albert Einstein, "a thinker beyond thinkers"
finemind100 2 months ago
God: Einstein Quotes:" Religion without science is lame, Science without religion is blind"
RamaswamyIyerGanesh 2 months ago
the curiosity towards emotions derived from mystical, or is it imagination? Albert seemed to be at odds with himself.
dasteufelhund 2 months ago
No religion please! Bunch of lies. Exactly holes I dont have the answers and neither do you. For me god is connected consciousness that use our souls to interact with others in life so that when we die we feel at peace with those we love because life tought us to love 1 another in my opinion. The world around us? Earth and the moon! Ok maybe your not afraid of dying but your afraid of admitting the possibilty of god, just sticking to your guns.
wezatch 2 months ago
Nobody Knows! Nobody. Atheist are afraid and beleivers are confused. I admit that I beleive but I could be wrong and if Iam then to me life is pointless,
wezatch 3 months ago
@wezatch: It's sad that life would be considered pointless, based on whether your view that some transcended being exists or not is true. It only is pointless if you consider it such, other than that life is full of purpose. Your purpose.
Mattnesss 3 months ago
@Mattnesss Good comment, Im not saying I dont enjoy life I do the animals and other natural things make this Earth awhole better place, but it is man/woman who has judge whether God exist or not. So we live in a world of hurt because we are all still childish at the end of the day. What would be the point of life respect the Earth which we dont and befreind one another globally im sorry there is a bigger picture here in my opinion.
wezatch 3 months ago
@wezatch What exactly are Atheists afraid of? I mean, I'm afraid of big angry dogs, drowning, etc. But I think you're implying that we are afraid God exists...or at least something along those lines. Which is a bit like saying, "I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm afraid of his existence." This of course just sounds like more rhetoric used to cull and call the masses of religious believers. "Atheists don't believe in God because they've made choices for themselves, they're just afraid."
MustyMicrobe 2 months ago
@MustyMicrobe I'm as much afraid of your god as you are of Zeus.
oriondos 2 months ago
@oriondos Maybe read my comment? Lol I'm an atheist bruh and what I wrote was in response to an individual making claims about scared atheists. Thanks for your time though!
MustyMicrobe 2 months ago
@MustyMicrobe In my opinion I think that atheist deny the existence of god because they are 'afraid' of being cast down in society by beleiving in somthing that isnt psyically real, that to me is lack of faith. So they stick to their guns and blind beleivers with science, not forgetting that we are all still barbaric and if you disagree then look at the middle east or hiroshima not even a 100 years ago as I originally stated nobody knows. We have not even left our solar system.
wezatch 2 months ago
@wezatch Man, there are a lot of holes here bro. I think we should establish some definition of God for our little debate. Until then, as an atheist, I'll address your comments; I am not afraid of being cast down in society. We live in a majority Christian country. If anything, it would be more socially acceptable to believe in the doctrines and gods therein. I'm not sure "blind believers" is an appropriate title for those of us who respect and trust science to tell us about the world around us.
MustyMicrobe 2 months ago
@wezatch Cntd - Secondly, you've never heard God speak, you've never seen Him in all of His glory, never touched his Eternal mustache. If believing in something that you cannot hear, see, smell, taste, and touch isn't blind belief, I don't know what is.
MustyMicrobe 2 months ago
@MustyMicrobe Him? Who is him? Mate just admit you have faith in something higher than a simple plain old human being. Its ok to beleive in a creator it took me untill i'd eaten magic mushrooms to find mother nature.
O just because Ive done certain activities does not mean that Im in the wrong because of some law, a plain old simple human being implemented.
wezatch 2 months ago
@wezatch Hahaha ahhhhhh. I get it now. I can already see this discussion is going in circles. Thank you for your time, sir. Have a wonderful life :)
MustyMicrobe 2 months ago
@MustyMicrobe Right MustyMicrobe im the daddy now and the next time i'l fucking kill you. You run atheism but for me im the daddy.
''But i dont beleive in god''
ya fucking well do now
wezatch 2 months ago
@wezatch Lol you sir, are a fuckin' weirdo. Keep on with your soul medium consciousness. I'll stay here in reality where the magic sky daddy and your wispy mind spirits are but the imagination of goofballs like yourself. Again, have a good one :)
MustyMicrobe 2 months ago
Regarding religion, you were wrong. Being a physicist does not mean you can understand God, as can be easily seen.
consuetudinariness 3 months ago
@consuetudinariness 'Can easily be seen'? Example?
And doesn't understanding how the universe works give someone a better foundation for understanding where it originated?
But hey, that's a logical line of argument, I don't blame the religious for overlooking it.
ArctheDark 2 months ago
@ArctheDark Einstein's definition of God is different from how religion defines God. Also, it is ambiguous. Einstein acknowledges that his (our) minds are "limited." So, if our minds are limited, there are concepts he (we) do not understand, so that is why he wrongly considers religion to be unable to explain facts and their relationships. Einstein's God is the harmony of the physical world. He is wrong. The physical world cannot have harmony without a Supreme Being's supervision.
consuetudinariness 2 months ago
@consuetudinariness Or several billions years of evolution, a trail-by-error process in which the best traits survive and the weak ones disappear. Which has physical evidence to back it up.
But yeah, a wizard did it. Playing the 'It's beyond our comprehension so give your money to those guys in the robes who fuck the choir boys' is also an acceptable explanation.
Christopher Hutchen' "What has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
ArctheDark 2 months ago
@ArctheDark It is not about money; it is about arriving at the truth. Einstein acknowledged that the human mind was limited, so you cannot understand everything self-evidently. If humans were competent enough to run the world, then there would not have been so many wars and other catastrophic calamities. Think about it...
consuetudinariness 2 months ago
@consuetudinariness Also, you really, really need to watch a video called Hitchens- religion is about power.
ArctheDark 2 months ago
@ArctheDark Religion is about power? How so? It seems that you still cannot make a distinction between the hypocrites and the devout!
consuetudinariness 2 months ago
@consuetudinariness Historically religion was a way of controlling people. If you could claim yourself as supernatural then you could influence them. Not naming any names here though....
locololonumber2 2 months ago
@locololonumber2 historically, religion has been a reaction to injustice/suffering in the world. christianity (and subsects of christianity), islam, and buddhism all can be traced back to a time in which a society needed improvement.
mcduffels 2 months ago
@locololonumber2 Write lucidly instead of clownishly.
consuetudinariness 2 months ago
@ArctheDark Yes, God can be easily seen. You need to look around and see God in the harmony of the universe--a harmony created by a Supreme Being. Moreover, you need to define logic. The fact that the human mind is limited causes misunderstandings about God. If human beings were able to run the world without causing disasters, there would have been no Prophet Isa (Jesus Christ), etc. Ask WHY there were prophets instead of attacking religion.
consuetudinariness 2 months ago
@consuetudinariness Define logic? What? Logic is just the process of seeing cause and effect and making connections based on the evidence we've gathered as individuals and collectively.
Besides ancient and heavily translated versions of religious texts (which contain stories with more holes than a chain link fence, like Noah's Ark) what proof you do have to back up your assertions that God exists? Why are their no miracles or Prophets now? Are you SURE they existed in the first place?
ArctheDark 2 months ago