By the way, to answer your question, no I'm not on any kind of mind altering drug. You might ask yourself (if you're still able to); are you high on your Opiate? on the lord? jesus? or what ever kind of deity you plug yourself with every second of every day? I believe that you are. You have to know your surroundings before you ask a stupid question. Religions are Opiates, they are for the lazy, the weak, the ones who wont work on finding out the truth about all the unknown.
Years and years ago I read his book on Lucy. It was fabulous and it sparked an intense interest in learning more about paleoanthropology. The subject is so interesting and has expanded my mind and freed it to continue exploring all that has been discovered by people like Don. Then on to Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson into the cosmos. Science is not only a candle in the dark, but it is the poetry of reality. Awesome stuff.
the only way we can find out if mankind came from monkey-kind is for a human to marry a chimp and see if they are compatible to have children...any volunteers?
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS you are just trolling or you still believe in nonsense? Why do you waste your time writing bullshit here? are you that alone or something?
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS what truth? you can't have offsprings with a chimp, is too far as a "relative" The closer cousins all died out. Neaderthals were a good option for mating, actually that was proven just lately, that we have neanderthal dna in us. All except africans. So yes your great... great... grandfather married a neanderthal if you are not a black guy. So your point is?
@dumbnetworks I was watching a nat geo show about evolution, they said we may, in fact, still be closely related to Chimps that wee may be able to breed with them.. But few, if anyone, are going to.
Hah, before I listened to this I thought I would say jokingly that Lucy got her name from Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds by the Beatles... Come to find out that's true XD!
Trust me evolution is Not true is jst something that dominate and divert scientist from the cost of curiosity, have scientist ever think that the bones that they have been getting are young that is why they are still there? because we know that all bones that takes very long time would have no difference with the sand gradients they will be a part of the earth, what if the oldest bone are already the part of the earth? or their was a creature that resembles humans at that time?
Trust you? Ok. I have no idea what you're talking about. These bones are fossils, preserved. We're lucky to have ANY at all, because like i think you said, most bones simply decompose into dust or sand or whatever you called it. Just read the top voted comment, that'll explain how i feel.
@kornkid13 I have like over 20 documentaries about evaluation i can always see something missing, so for the cost of argument why dont we jst wait for the time machine.
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS Ok, great. Tell me what the other laws of thermodynamics are. Or can you? because clearly if you understood them at all, you would know the second law only works in a closed system.
Earth is not a closed system.
The freaking sun is constantly throwing energy straight at us, or were you so blinded by your creationist ignorance you couldn't see it?
You seem to forget we're scientists. We know our physics.
@synsei1 I asked kevinmelvillesimpson, and he responded: ...according to said laws, even if it were possible, which it is not, it would still take 100,000 years to exhaust all emitting carbon gases from whatever the claimed means.
He has not since clarified what "whatever the claimed means" means.
@LokiClock I'mnot sure I understand. I didn't know who he is but I found his channel and comments where he argues about the Son being the Father. I guess he was talking about fossil fuels (whatever the claimed means), that would be typical climate change denial rethorics.
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS read a bit more before running your mouth off. look up closed loop system and open loop system......the sun makes it an open loop!
Religions are only there to blind and kill the human spirit, to make us all drown in the eternal abyss of ignorance, to wage wars against each other in the name of a burning bush that spoke (weird shit eh?), to deprave us from freedom of thought, freedom of action, the freedom that only knowledge and the search for the truth based on hard old research can and will deliver us from our current state of social lethargy. Bible bangers shouldn't use the Devil's technology: Computers and electricity.
@ivlfounder If you don't believe in science, evolution and you live your life based on every single word written in your book; how could you possibly use any technology made by science? Why wouldn't you live like an Amish? Just preaching your word to your followers and maintaining yourselves away from my home, when evangelists of every kind arrogantly ring my bell on a Sunday morning, selling me the lord. Why do you people need to sell your faith? Is it because is a scam as some of us know?
@ivlfounder I work with christians every day in my field. They don't bang bibles. They don't even read and believe in it, they understand that its made from stories taken from other religions in the past and recycled, they don't live by the book. They're still christians and call themselves that way. Are they less christians than a bible banger?
While it is up to God to decide who is an who is not a Christian it would be odd for a person to claim for example that they were fans of Alice Cooper yet didn't any of his music, his act, or him as a person.
@ivlfounder Is there a "conclusion" for being a good christian? and my question wasn't based on your faith, it was based on your daily life... Do you leave everything to your god to decide? Following that line of thought; what do you actually do for yourself?
@ivlfounder But do you actually put it to use on solving your earthly problems and dealing with real life that when, and this is a very common example of christian extremist's thought; a tragedy strikes, let's say Japan's earthquake and tsunami, or in Haiti, where thousands died, "the lord works in mysterious ways", or "who are we to question god's plans", "is punishment from god", etc. or do you think its because tectonic plates move, and it's being happening for millions of years?
@ivlfounder My question is simple; you said that christians change with frequency and aren't always conclusive. What is there to be conclusive about? Is that "conclusion" has to be the same one for every christian to be a good christian? and if they change with frequency, is that because it's hard to keep a story like that up in time and still hold it as a way of life?
@ivlfounder I repeat the very last questions: What is there to be conclusive about (christianity)? Is that "conclusion" has to be the same one for every christian to be a good christian? and if they change with frequency, is that because it's hard to keep a story like that up in time and still hold it as a way of life?
@ivlfounder How could religion have done "things" for me and I not know that it did???? Religion helps me to separate the rational from the non-rational, but I am aware of it!
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS Why do you say this is a hoax? Be specific, 'cause I just love it when the uneducated try to speak about things they've not got the slightest grasp of. And provide some references, as anything else is simply going to be regarded as opinion and summarily disregarded.
@NorthForkFisherman ...the world is not what you think it is. Satan is the ruler of this world. if u understand this, then, u will see. but Satan do not want you to see. Yeshua was right all along about Satan...he has fooled the world
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS So, in short, you've got no damn clue and you're just parroting what you've been told since you've not got the forebrain of a gnat? Nice. Must be pleasant to go through life so wonderfully oblivious. Too bad some of us are trying to make the world a better place inspite of troglodytes like you. Last chance before you are dismissed as the waste of skin troll you are - what are your specific objections?
@NorthForkFisherman ...if u keep urself in detailing things u will throw urself in a loop and u will miss the whole process...here is ur clue...FREE URSELF FROM THE GRAND ILLUSION
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS Yep, just another dumbass troll. Go away boy. Grownups are talking here. If you've actually got something to say that has anything to do with reality I'll respond. Otherwise, you'll be ignored. Not blocked, deleted, or spammed, simply ignored.
@NorthForkFisherman ...this world is only a simulation of the Reality to come...do u not know that u have a soul that exists beyond this dimension?...God gave u the freedom to choose...the Lord hopes you choose wisely
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS I'm curious... why do you care? Why bother trying to convince people that your faith is correct? Why not just leave them alone and let God call their minds and souls to Him? Do you doubt His power, or His judgement, or His attention, or His attractiveness? Why do you think such a beautiful, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-just Being needs the help of a puny little human like you to evangelize for Him?
@Crunchy68 ..i care becuz im tired of these career-seeking archaeologists fooling people for false fame...and they also fool themselves and build on what they perceive to be fact, but in actuality is false. :o)
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in 2012, or may 21 or any time within my lifetime or the next few. I believe humans evolved from a lesser species related to apes. Find your opinions and tell them to me...
@Solarcoreg well that song has nothing to do with LSD, so its okay to think she was never named after LSD, cause she wasnt, nor was the song.
"It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The imagery was Alice in the boat."
@matt1523 There's always a spoil sport. It happens that I'm aware of this statement by John Lennon but true or not I can't help attributing the lyrics to a psychedelic experience. How can one not? Either way I may have just been shortening the name of the song and not actually referring to the drug... so there...
@JayCtheRealest100 Agreed, but the Bible thumping fundamentalist wackos seem to want to take America back to the Dark Ages with their fairy tales. They're as wacko as the Taliban who can't wait to martyr themselves and go to heaven with 72 virgins.
Did you know Judgment Day and the "Rapture" is scheduled for this Saturday, May 21st???
No kidding. This isn't a joke.
So, what are these wackos going to do on May 22? Think they'll get a clue?
@goog2k-lMAO yea i see what your saying...but i have atheist friends who believe the worlds gonna end on dec 21 2012 they are no better than the people who believe the may 21st stuff IMO. all im saying is there are non-religious people who dont believe that we evolved from apes just as there are religious people who dont, you should try not to classify all religious people for the actions of a few.
@JayCtheRealest100 Atheism only means one don't believe in god. By itself, it doesn't protect one's brain from other kinds of delusions, but skepticism, rational thinking and scientific method do.
@synsei1-exactly i agree 110%, i guess some people believe it makes them smarter than someone who goes to church or something...i guess people forget sir Isaac Newton was a firm believer in god,Robert Boyle believed in god and Einstein who many thought was Atheist believed in a spinoza god and was quoted as saying "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details".
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS A comic book? You mean like a bunch of made up stories designed to entertain and comfort people? If yes, then no, science has become nothing like a comic book...
That statement shows how stupid people are who don't understand even the basics of evolution.
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS As opposed to what? Some legends of the world being created in seven days, with some obvious contradictions and plain impossibilities? As opposed to legends of people rising from the dead?
How is evolution a fairytale, especially when (maybe a 45% maybe 75%) of CHRISTIANS accept evolution. Even if only 1% of Christians accepted evolution, that would point out how ridiculous the idea that "evolution is for Atheists" is.
And a lot more than one percent of Christians accept it
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS This is evolution at work. Some ppl will stagnate as homo religious and soon die out and the rest of us will evolve into homo scientificus and live long and happy lifes. I can understand that some ppl still believe in the man made hoax known as christianity or islam..
Evolution has nothing to do with atheism, and they are not mutually exclusive (many Christians accept evolution, and some atheists don't accept evolution)
@AsAboveSoBelow01 I agree completely. Just out of curiosity though I've never heard of atheists rejecting evolution. What do they believe instead? Or is this just an example?
@bl2489 Its rare. Fred Hoyle thinks new life forms (like the Spanish flu) are constantly being dumped on the earth from space by natural processes, and Sagan's widow wants to fundamentally reevaluate natural selection. Anyone Atheist or Christians, who rejects what is well settled science is going to end up crankish. But even they accept evolution in general. Its hard to imagine what you cold substitute in its place except religious belief. Maybe we should ask Bill Maher.
@theskepticalheretic Its bizarre I never understand why people reject evolution. Not only is the evidence over whelming but personally I think its a beautiful example of how the reality of the universe can be more astonishing then anything people have ever imagined or worshipped.
@bl2489 It is also the single most well researched theory in existence today. Beyond that, it's a fact. You can watch it happen albeit very slowly, and over long timescales depending on the observed group of organisms.
There could be an infinite number of things atheists believe in-place of evolution, as long as it doesn't involve God. Could range from them simply not knowing, to something involving aliens, etc...
@AsAboveSoBelow01 Yes. I just watched a "panspermist" video about the origin of life. The guy warned us he was not promoting religion but he uses exactly the same strawman argument (about abiogenesis) and other fallacies that the Discovery Institute or Harun Yahyah use, like "a computer made from a sandstorm".
@bl2489 Stalin (we can assume he was atheist) rejected darwinian evolution. Marxist dictatures had their system of pseudoscience, a bit like religions do.
@1ceT Really? I didn't know that fact. It seems that some (or many) non theistic ideologist can't get rid of some religious dogmas and prejudice they inherited from religious ideologies in their youth. In this case they suppressed christianty, but kept antisemitism, homophobia, anti-science, sexual repression… rebranded and rewrapped them to fit their new ideology.
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS Except Evolution is backed by 150 years of "peer reviewed" science and has been validated by paleontology, anatomy, embryology, bacteriology & GENETICS!
Do you know what "peer reviewed" means?
Do you know what science is? It made that computer you're looking at. Oops!
@goog2k The brain in order to be efficient uses its framework of knowledge [its world view] in which to hang new incoming knowledge. Because education, television and society in general control how people’s framework of knowledge is built, and these frameworks are built skilfully to exclude major truths that would expose how the Satan is controlling mankind, it is really difficult to speak to people about mind-control and the TRUTH. The mind puts up a grid to prevent True Knowledge from entering
The truth is today is the rapture........What.......? Your grid went up?...................That's called critical thinking.
It's what keeps you from jumping outa planes cause faith can make you skywalk. Because God thought it would be funny to make you not see what was most important..........What an asshole.
I thought 5/21/11 was supposed to be "Judgment Day" and the Rapture? LOL!
Oh well, I guess you just can't trust anyone anymore. - But I still feel sorry for those dupes who gave up their jobs.
SCIENCE is NOT based on FAITH!. Science is peer-reviewed & self-correcting - which means when new evidence comes out that contradicts a theory, it's revised.
There is NO documented evidence that contradicts EVOLUTION! LOL!!!
@goog2k Evolution has many holes. Although im not supporting a god theroy. There is evidence that animals have evolved. The real question is why did survival of the fittest create "us" a species that is ill equiped to hunt ,allergic to pollen ect and has no natrual defenses? We are a species that must alter there enviorment to live. Unless taught to do so we would simply die. Dosent that strike you as odd? Neanderthals were the big powerful guys adapted to there enviroment not us.
@anthonyww713 Are we really so poorly adapted to our environment? In a matter of milennia, we have unquestionably become the dominant species on the planet. No other animal pales in comparison to our fitness, and the only threat to our existence is ourselves and bacteria. "Survival of the fittest" doesn't necessarily mean the most physically fit. And we are excellent hunters btw, as humans have wiped out dozens of species before the modern ages. Brain trumps brawn any day.
@anthonyww713 some sources say allergies are caused by modern inventions such as certain medicines (side effects) and industrial pollution. as a species, we were far more healthy back in our primitive days.
as for altering our environment, and having to be taught about how to survive, that is also part of our evolution, an evolution of culture. just read a bit on nature vs nurture and u will understand that culture contributes to evolution as much as things like eyesight.
@TheCopaceticMan I wouldn't be bringing Einsteins Theory of Relativity into this and though i agree with your statement there is one thing that contradicts the main theory of evolution. Look a the end of the Trilobites.
@1stNightingale I don't think you meant this to be directed at me... But... There has yet to be any indication that something defeats or contradicts evolution. The whole idea of punctuated equilibrium handles the rapid changes in species over a relatively short period of time.
@TheCopaceticMan@TheCopaceticMan And there in-lies the issue and the questioning. I believe in the Theory of Evolution and i am a Spiritual Christian but i do see that there is at-least one unanswered question about Evolution in the Trilobites.
@1stNightingale Don't get me wrong when I say this, but, the fossil record, the way it is ordered, backs up PE very well. The fossil record backs up the original concept of evolution, we just had to change how we think of evolution occurring to match this fact.
Here is how the original concept of evolution works: a a a aaaab aaab aabb abbb abbbb b b b
-Basically a change over a relatively long period of time.
Here what we see in the fossil record: a a a a a (ab) b b b b b
@TheCopaceticMan I don't know what PE means, or what you're referencing as "the original concept of evolution", but current evolution theory does include and explain the phenomenon of relatively sudden change. When a new mutation benefits an organism, the advantaged individuals take over the breeding and eating and all pretty rapidly, due to better survival rates.
@Crunchy68 That's punctuated equilibrium. There's one other thing I'd like to add to that as well, it's only going to be in ascendance while the new environmental conditions are stable. If they change again, those species that are generalists will be a better bet for survival. Our specialist relatives Au. robustus didn't fare too well once the forests of the Pilocene faded. It's like nosocomial infection - hospitals breed germ strains that are well adapted to hospital conditions and populations.
@Crunchy68 Sorry I didn't clarify. PE is short hand for punctuated equilibrium. And the original concept I meant as the very slow change over time (as in a long weaving tree).
The original concept of natural selection acting on random mutations is still valid. I wasn't saying it wasn't. I know quite well how it works.
@TheCopaceticMan And there's also what's known as the Signor-Lipps Effect, which generally indicates the rarer and newer a species is in a genus the less likely it is that it will be preserved in the fossil record. It's really a matter of probablility as well as the general environment that indicates the likelyhood of a specimen being in the fossil record. And for rare hominds? Even less so as due to intelligence, they were even less likely to get killed off in ways that encourage preservation.
@TheCopaceticMan Good video suggestion. I think the thing that really needs to be emphasized in these events is the role that environmental change plays and the new niches that get opened up for exploitation by lifeforms. I think the thing that is most fascinating about the whole process is the interplay of energy flows in the environment. Each species finds that place it can exploit best at the lowest energy cost in relation to it's neighbors.
@TheCopaceticMan We're agreeing, but I'm trying to bring up some points that most readers who might see this would not know about. Trying to get the general public to think rather than just accept. That's one of the reasons I specifically target creationists - it tests my knowledge and understanding of the subject matter. It's a good intellectual exercise. I can't get through to them - too much denial. But if I can get one person on the fence to think for just a minute, then it's a success.
@NorthForkFisherman Excuse my imposition into your discussion, I agree with your position, until you got to the fence sitters. I prefer to push them over. I guess that makes me an 'aggressive' atheist. I'm tired of being 'respectful' and 'curteous' to their delusion. Let one xian demonstrate to me that they can fulfil the promises of their 'god', uttered in John 14:11-14, and then we'll have something to talk about. Until then, they're just 'people without faith', like me. Xians don't exist.
@yeshuahfullofit No worries. The direct approach sometimes does work, but I prefer a bit more subtle method. You can expose falsehood all day long but getting people to think is a bit more challenging and overall, rewarding. And after all, this is an educational channel.
@TheCopaceticMan I think others have best explained my point. Although i agree with you i do say that there is a couple of questions that the theory of evolution does not cover.
We have something in common Lucy..i got my name after the Bettles song too..
happinesson 2 months ago
She was named in honor of a Beetles song...
MrGurthanthoclops 3 months ago
Don Johanson found his relatives
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago 2
By the way, to answer your question, no I'm not on any kind of mind altering drug. You might ask yourself (if you're still able to); are you high on your Opiate? on the lord? jesus? or what ever kind of deity you plug yourself with every second of every day? I believe that you are. You have to know your surroundings before you ask a stupid question. Religions are Opiates, they are for the lazy, the weak, the ones who wont work on finding out the truth about all the unknown.
incertusveritas 9 months ago
Years and years ago I read his book on Lucy. It was fabulous and it sparked an intense interest in learning more about paleoanthropology. The subject is so interesting and has expanded my mind and freed it to continue exploring all that has been discovered by people like Don. Then on to Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson into the cosmos. Science is not only a candle in the dark, but it is the poetry of reality. Awesome stuff.
RhondaH 9 months ago
Religion is bureaucratic Faith.
Religion is superstition.
Religion has probably been helpful to keep certain groups together in the past, but at what cost?
Religion sells you ready-made ideas, and the only Truth.
I'd rather buy quantum probabilities than those religious time-wasters.
Cheers to all, religious and atheist brothers and sisters!
Because after all we're all humans.
HalfFullYeah 9 months ago
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@HalfFullYeah
Religion has done more for you than you will ever know.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
the Beatles were Satanists
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
hmm she's named afte LSD.. who'd of thought...
Th3Wab3 9 months ago
lol, when he woke up the next morning he found out that everybody loves Lucy ;D
UnluckyGambler 9 months ago
the only way we can find out if mankind came from monkey-kind is for a human to marry a chimp and see if they are compatible to have children...any volunteers?
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS you are just trolling or you still believe in nonsense? Why do you waste your time writing bullshit here? are you that alone or something?
dumbnetworks 9 months ago
@dumbnetworks ,,,you never waste your time when your speaking truth :o)
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS what truth? you can't have offsprings with a chimp, is too far as a "relative" The closer cousins all died out. Neaderthals were a good option for mating, actually that was proven just lately, that we have neanderthal dna in us. All except africans. So yes your great... great... grandfather married a neanderthal if you are not a black guy. So your point is?
dumbnetworks 9 months ago
@dumbnetworks I was watching a nat geo show about evolution, they said we may, in fact, still be closely related to Chimps that wee may be able to breed with them.. But few, if anyone, are going to.
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago
@dumbnetworks ...correction: YOUR closer cousins died out, NOT mines :o)
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS denial is a wonderfull thing :o)
dumbnetworks 9 months ago
@dumbnetworks The Nile is a river in Egypt ;oD
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 1.go to school
2. learn some language.
3. have opinions of your own.
dumbnetworks 9 months ago
Hah, before I listened to this I thought I would say jokingly that Lucy got her name from Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds by the Beatles... Come to find out that's true XD!
ChameleonLost88 9 months ago
Trust me evolution is Not true is jst something that dominate and divert scientist from the cost of curiosity, have scientist ever think that the bones that they have been getting are young that is why they are still there? because we know that all bones that takes very long time would have no difference with the sand gradients they will be a part of the earth, what if the oldest bone are already the part of the earth? or their was a creature that resembles humans at that time?
faico444 9 months ago
@faico444
Trust you? Ok. I have no idea what you're talking about. These bones are fossils, preserved. We're lucky to have ANY at all, because like i think you said, most bones simply decompose into dust or sand or whatever you called it. Just read the top voted comment, that'll explain how i feel.
kornkid13 9 months ago
@kornkid13 I have like over 20 documentaries about evaluation i can always see something missing, so for the cost of argument why dont we jst wait for the time machine.
faico444 9 months ago
Thank god the end of the world went away uneventful! LOL
Now we should prepare ourselves for the next second coming of Jeezas.
In the year 3000 or why not, 4,145,254, on a Wednesday at 5:10 PM, he would come to us on the clouds hand in hand with his Beloved Disciple.
(We should ask the Rainman if the calculation is correct!)
So much for the Christian idiots and oligophrenes!
48acar19 9 months ago
Evolution defies the Principal of Theromodynamics
CREATION...ENERGY CONSERVATION...DECAY
Evolution seems to create and re-create itself...no decay...things just evolve and keep on evolving...soon we will be something else with no end
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS Ok, great. Tell me what the other laws of thermodynamics are. Or can you? because clearly if you understood them at all, you would know the second law only works in a closed system.
Earth is not a closed system.
The freaking sun is constantly throwing energy straight at us, or were you so blinded by your creationist ignorance you couldn't see it?
You seem to forget we're scientists. We know our physics.
foxmcloud555 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS How is evolution violating the theory of thermodynamics? (It isn't.)
Can you even name these laws without googling them?
synsei1 9 months ago
@synsei1 I asked kevinmelvillesimpson, and he responded: ...according to said laws, even if it were possible, which it is not, it would still take 100,000 years to exhaust all emitting carbon gases from whatever the claimed means.
He has not since clarified what "whatever the claimed means" means.
LokiClock 9 months ago
@LokiClock I'mnot sure I understand. I didn't know who he is but I found his channel and comments where he argues about the Son being the Father. I guess he was talking about fossil fuels (whatever the claimed means), that would be typical climate change denial rethorics.
synsei1 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS read a bit more before running your mouth off. look up closed loop system and open loop system......the sun makes it an open loop!
MrDasmaster 9 months ago
@MrDasmaster ...get caught up in the loop of deception...do ur best to break out! :o)
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
Religions are only there to blind and kill the human spirit, to make us all drown in the eternal abyss of ignorance, to wage wars against each other in the name of a burning bush that spoke (weird shit eh?), to deprave us from freedom of thought, freedom of action, the freedom that only knowledge and the search for the truth based on hard old research can and will deliver us from our current state of social lethargy. Bible bangers shouldn't use the Devil's technology: Computers and electricity.
incertusveritas 9 months ago 5
@incertusveritas
"bible bangers shouldn't use the Devil's technology: Computers and electricity."?
Are you on drugs?
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder If you don't believe in science, evolution and you live your life based on every single word written in your book; how could you possibly use any technology made by science? Why wouldn't you live like an Amish? Just preaching your word to your followers and maintaining yourselves away from my home, when evangelists of every kind arrogantly ring my bell on a Sunday morning, selling me the lord. Why do you people need to sell your faith? Is it because is a scam as some of us know?
incertusveritas 9 months ago
@incertusveritas
You're not suggesting that there exist no Christians that support science, and evolution are you?
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder I work with christians every day in my field. They don't bang bibles. They don't even read and believe in it, they understand that its made from stories taken from other religions in the past and recycled, they don't live by the book. They're still christians and call themselves that way. Are they less christians than a bible banger?
incertusveritas 9 months ago
@incertusveritas
While it is up to God to decide who is an who is not a Christian it would be odd for a person to claim for example that they were fans of Alice Cooper yet didn't any of his music, his act, or him as a person.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder I don't like Alice Cooper, and if you leave everything for god to decide, what do you do for yourself?
incertusveritas 9 months ago
@incertusveritas
On the matter of who is and who is not a Christian I have my opinions.
But they change with frequency and aren't always conclusive.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder Is there a "conclusion" for being a good christian? and my question wasn't based on your faith, it was based on your daily life... Do you leave everything to your god to decide? Following that line of thought; what do you actually do for yourself?
incertusveritas 9 months ago
@incertusveritas
I'm afraid I don't understand your first question, as for your second the answer is no, we have brains for a reason.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder But do you actually put it to use on solving your earthly problems and dealing with real life that when, and this is a very common example of christian extremist's thought; a tragedy strikes, let's say Japan's earthquake and tsunami, or in Haiti, where thousands died, "the lord works in mysterious ways", or "who are we to question god's plans", "is punishment from god", etc. or do you think its because tectonic plates move, and it's being happening for millions of years?
incertusveritas 9 months ago
@ivlfounder My question is simple; you said that christians change with frequency and aren't always conclusive. What is there to be conclusive about? Is that "conclusion" has to be the same one for every christian to be a good christian? and if they change with frequency, is that because it's hard to keep a story like that up in time and still hold it as a way of life?
incertusveritas 9 months ago
@incertusveritas
No, it's my opinions that change with frequency and aren't always conclusive.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
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@ivlfounder I repeat the very last questions: What is there to be conclusive about (christianity)? Is that "conclusion" has to be the same one for every christian to be a good christian? and if they change with frequency, is that because it's hard to keep a story like that up in time and still hold it as a way of life?
incertusveritas 9 months ago
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Lucy haS you all perplexeD
manfromregina 9 months ago
Religion is yet to make me a lamp
shadman1911 9 months ago 6
@shadman1911 You will be judged today hahaha.
nextgenvids 9 months ago
@nextgenvids lolz
shadman1911 9 months ago
@shadman1911
Religion has done more for you than you will ever know.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder How could religion have done "things" for me and I not know that it did???? Religion helps me to separate the rational from the non-rational, but I am aware of it!
shadman1911 9 months ago
@shadman1911
Ever hear of the scientific revolution?
ivlfounder 9 months ago
we just need to start ignoring the religious crazies on youtube they WILL go away when they realize no one is listening to them anymore
phoboskitty 9 months ago
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lmao...cant believe people still believe this hoax!
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS Why do you say this is a hoax? Be specific, 'cause I just love it when the uneducated try to speak about things they've not got the slightest grasp of. And provide some references, as anything else is simply going to be regarded as opinion and summarily disregarded.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman ...the world is not what you think it is. Satan is the ruler of this world. if u understand this, then, u will see. but Satan do not want you to see. Yeshua was right all along about Satan...he has fooled the world
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS So, in short, you've got no damn clue and you're just parroting what you've been told since you've not got the forebrain of a gnat? Nice. Must be pleasant to go through life so wonderfully oblivious. Too bad some of us are trying to make the world a better place inspite of troglodytes like you. Last chance before you are dismissed as the waste of skin troll you are - what are your specific objections?
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman ...if u keep urself in detailing things u will throw urself in a loop and u will miss the whole process...here is ur clue...FREE URSELF FROM THE GRAND ILLUSION
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS Yep, just another dumbass troll. Go away boy. Grownups are talking here. If you've actually got something to say that has anything to do with reality I'll respond. Otherwise, you'll be ignored. Not blocked, deleted, or spammed, simply ignored.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman ...this world is only a simulation of the Reality to come...do u not know that u have a soul that exists beyond this dimension?...God gave u the freedom to choose...the Lord hopes you choose wisely
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS I'm curious... why do you care? Why bother trying to convince people that your faith is correct? Why not just leave them alone and let God call their minds and souls to Him? Do you doubt His power, or His judgement, or His attention, or His attractiveness? Why do you think such a beautiful, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-just Being needs the help of a puny little human like you to evangelize for Him?
Crunchy68 9 months ago
@Crunchy68 ..i care becuz im tired of these career-seeking archaeologists fooling people for false fame...and they also fool themselves and build on what they perceive to be fact, but in actuality is false. :o)
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman ...i care because im tired of seeing people ruin their minds on these silly things. peace :o)
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
Rapture? I hardly know 'er!
SevenSixTwoNato 9 months ago
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in 2012, or may 21 or any time within my lifetime or the next few. I believe humans evolved from a lesser species related to apes. Find your opinions and tell them to me...
JestersHacksaw 9 months ago
@JestersHacksaw i don't believe in any of that crap either. we were supposed to die in 1994, on two separate dates, but obviously that didn't happen.
cx420ns 9 months ago
The story behind Lucy has always been one of my personal favourites.
BladesOfMunch 9 months ago
Absolutely fantastic. Wonderful information. I never knew Lucy was named after LSD.
Solarcoreg 9 months ago
@Solarcoreg well that song has nothing to do with LSD, so its okay to think she was never named after LSD, cause she wasnt, nor was the song.
"It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The imagery was Alice in the boat."
-John Lennon
matt1523 9 months ago
@matt1523 There's always a spoil sport. It happens that I'm aware of this statement by John Lennon but true or not I can't help attributing the lyrics to a psychedelic experience. How can one not? Either way I may have just been shortening the name of the song and not actually referring to the drug... so there...
Solarcoreg 9 months ago
LOL! Hilarious to see how Evolution attracts religious wackos like flies.
Science is TRUE because it WORKS! -- not because of superstitious beliefs.
Even though Darwin had no knowledge of genes or DNA , Evolution has been absolutely verified by genetics.
There is no documented evidence, whatsoever, in over 150 years that contradicts Evolution.
The Theory of Evolution is as fundamental as Laws of Gravity, Atomic Theory, Germ Theory, Electromagnetic Theory, & Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
goog2k 9 months ago 73
@goog2k-im religous and i love science...not everyone who trolls science vids are religious people some are just very stupid individuals.lol
JayCtheRealest100 9 months ago 3
@JayCtheRealest100 Agreed, but the Bible thumping fundamentalist wackos seem to want to take America back to the Dark Ages with their fairy tales. They're as wacko as the Taliban who can't wait to martyr themselves and go to heaven with 72 virgins.
Did you know Judgment Day and the "Rapture" is scheduled for this Saturday, May 21st???
No kidding. This isn't a joke.
So, what are these wackos going to do on May 22? Think they'll get a clue?
Nahhhhh!
goog2k 9 months ago
@goog2k-lMAO yea i see what your saying...but i have atheist friends who believe the worlds gonna end on dec 21 2012 they are no better than the people who believe the may 21st stuff IMO. all im saying is there are non-religious people who dont believe that we evolved from apes just as there are religious people who dont, you should try not to classify all religious people for the actions of a few.
JayCtheRealest100 9 months ago 2
@JayCtheRealest100 Atheism only means one don't believe in god. By itself, it doesn't protect one's brain from other kinds of delusions, but skepticism, rational thinking and scientific method do.
synsei1 9 months ago
@synsei1-exactly i agree 110%, i guess some people believe it makes them smarter than someone who goes to church or something...i guess people forget sir Isaac Newton was a firm believer in god,Robert Boyle believed in god and Einstein who many thought was Atheist believed in a spinoza god and was quoted as saying "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details".
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@goog2k ...Science today has turned its self into a comic book...people do anything for money
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS A comic book? You mean like a bunch of made up stories designed to entertain and comfort people? If yes, then no, science has become nothing like a comic book...
That statement shows how stupid people are who don't understand even the basics of evolution.
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago 2
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Evolution is the "adult fairytale" for Atheists!
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS As opposed to what? Some legends of the world being created in seven days, with some obvious contradictions and plain impossibilities? As opposed to legends of people rising from the dead?
How is evolution a fairytale, especially when (maybe a 45% maybe 75%) of CHRISTIANS accept evolution. Even if only 1% of Christians accepted evolution, that would point out how ridiculous the idea that "evolution is for Atheists" is.
And a lot more than one percent of Christians accept it
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago 3
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS This is evolution at work. Some ppl will stagnate as homo religious and soon die out and the rest of us will evolve into homo scientificus and live long and happy lifes. I can understand that some ppl still believe in the man made hoax known as christianity or islam..
kaxitaksi 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS
Evolution has nothing to do with atheism, and they are not mutually exclusive (many Christians accept evolution, and some atheists don't accept evolution)
AsAboveSoBelow01 9 months ago
@AsAboveSoBelow01 I agree completely. Just out of curiosity though I've never heard of atheists rejecting evolution. What do they believe instead? Or is this just an example?
bl2489 9 months ago
@bl2489 Its rare. Fred Hoyle thinks new life forms (like the Spanish flu) are constantly being dumped on the earth from space by natural processes, and Sagan's widow wants to fundamentally reevaluate natural selection. Anyone Atheist or Christians, who rejects what is well settled science is going to end up crankish. But even they accept evolution in general. Its hard to imagine what you cold substitute in its place except religious belief. Maybe we should ask Bill Maher.
HConstantine 9 months ago
@HConstantine Ah ok thanks, I thought the idea of life from other planets was more connected to the actual beginning of life but that makes sense.
bl2489 9 months ago
@bl2489 Panspermia. Life transplanted here from somewhere else either naturally or artificially.
theskepticalheretic 9 months ago
@theskepticalheretic Doesn't that more relate to the begins of life rather then its progressive evolution?
bl2489 9 months ago
@bl2489 Yep. Some people are that ignorant,.
theskepticalheretic 9 months ago
@theskepticalheretic Its bizarre I never understand why people reject evolution. Not only is the evidence over whelming but personally I think its a beautiful example of how the reality of the universe can be more astonishing then anything people have ever imagined or worshipped.
bl2489 9 months ago
@bl2489 It is also the single most well researched theory in existence today. Beyond that, it's a fact. You can watch it happen albeit very slowly, and over long timescales depending on the observed group of organisms.
theskepticalheretic 9 months ago
@theskepticalheretic Exactly. It's hard to imagine how much evidence they would actually need.
bl2489 9 months ago
@bl2489
There could be an infinite number of things atheists believe in-place of evolution, as long as it doesn't involve God. Could range from them simply not knowing, to something involving aliens, etc...
AsAboveSoBelow01 9 months ago
@AsAboveSoBelow01 Suppose, I was just asking out of curiosity what they would be as other then ones linked to aliens I hadn't heard of any.
bl2489 9 months ago
@AsAboveSoBelow01 Yes. I just watched a "panspermist" video about the origin of life. The guy warned us he was not promoting religion but he uses exactly the same strawman argument (about abiogenesis) and other fallacies that the Discovery Institute or Harun Yahyah use, like "a computer made from a sandstorm".
synsei1 9 months ago
@bl2489 Stalin (we can assume he was atheist) rejected darwinian evolution. Marxist dictatures had their system of pseudoscience, a bit like religions do.
synsei1 9 months ago
@synsei1 I was more meaning in the modern day but thanks.
bl2489 9 months ago
@synsei1 Stalin was studying to be a priest!
1ceT 9 months ago
@1ceT Really? I didn't know that fact. It seems that some (or many) non theistic ideologist can't get rid of some religious dogmas and prejudice they inherited from religious ideologies in their youth. In this case they suppressed christianty, but kept antisemitism, homophobia, anti-science, sexual repression… rebranded and rewrapped them to fit their new ideology.
synsei1 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS Except Evolution is backed by 150 years of "peer reviewed" science and has been validated by paleontology, anatomy, embryology, bacteriology & GENETICS!
Do you know what "peer reviewed" means?
Do you know what science is? It made that computer you're looking at. Oops!
See two great recent videos
Evolution : The Minds Big Bang PBS
/watch?v=vWJ2wcPyrvo&feature=channel_video_title
Harvey Fineberg: Are we ready for neo-evolution?
/watch?v=o2WyXD7IaN0&feature=feedf
goog2k 9 months ago
@goog2k The brain in order to be efficient uses its framework of knowledge [its world view] in which to hang new incoming knowledge. Because education, television and society in general control how people’s framework of knowledge is built, and these frameworks are built skilfully to exclude major truths that would expose how the Satan is controlling mankind, it is really difficult to speak to people about mind-control and the TRUTH. The mind puts up a grid to prevent True Knowledge from entering
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS
The truth is today is the rapture........What.......? Your grid went up?...................That's called critical thinking.
It's what keeps you from jumping outa planes cause faith can make you skywalk. Because God thought it would be funny to make you not see what was most important..........What an asshole.
yourfullofsheite 9 months ago
@goog2k I love Bible thumping WACKOs.
JEEZ, it's May 22nd but I'm still HERE?
I thought 5/21/11 was supposed to be "Judgment Day" and the Rapture? LOL!
Oh well, I guess you just can't trust anyone anymore. - But I still feel sorry for those dupes who gave up their jobs.
SCIENCE is NOT based on FAITH!. Science is peer-reviewed & self-correcting - which means when new evidence comes out that contradicts a theory, it's revised.
There is NO documented evidence that contradicts EVOLUTION! LOL!!!
goog2k 9 months ago
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FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@goog2k ...yep...funny how Evolution creates MONKEY WORSHIPPERS!
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
Lucy was a human with cranial defects, possibly physical and mental retardation
..Don Johansen is a typical human being who duped himself and his followers
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 9 months ago
@goog2k Evolution has many holes. Although im not supporting a god theroy. There is evidence that animals have evolved. The real question is why did survival of the fittest create "us" a species that is ill equiped to hunt ,allergic to pollen ect and has no natrual defenses? We are a species that must alter there enviorment to live. Unless taught to do so we would simply die. Dosent that strike you as odd? Neanderthals were the big powerful guys adapted to there enviroment not us.
anthonyww713 9 months ago
@anthonyww713 Are we really so poorly adapted to our environment? In a matter of milennia, we have unquestionably become the dominant species on the planet. No other animal pales in comparison to our fitness, and the only threat to our existence is ourselves and bacteria. "Survival of the fittest" doesn't necessarily mean the most physically fit. And we are excellent hunters btw, as humans have wiped out dozens of species before the modern ages. Brain trumps brawn any day.
LeonMire 9 months ago
@anthonyww713 some sources say allergies are caused by modern inventions such as certain medicines (side effects) and industrial pollution. as a species, we were far more healthy back in our primitive days.
as for altering our environment, and having to be taught about how to survive, that is also part of our evolution, an evolution of culture. just read a bit on nature vs nurture and u will understand that culture contributes to evolution as much as things like eyesight.
UnluckyGambler 9 months ago
@goog2k
And then there's the oddity that so few know the Leakey's were Anglican's.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder Not all Christians reject Evolution. In fact most ACCEPT evolution -- even the Pope!
It's just the hard right evangelical WACKO's who continually post false anti-science propaganda on the internet.
goog2k 9 months ago
@goog2k
John Paull II wasn't anti-evolution per say.
I don't know about his sucessor.
PS If you want to really rattle hardliners on both sides of the debate bring up Asa Gray. ;)
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder The Catholic church has officially recognized the validity of evolution.
Asa Gray, Harvard botanist and devout Christian, was an evolutionist and a great man.
goog2k 9 months ago
My archeology prof said they were toking up as well. Not sure if that was made in jest or not lol...
specialmike140 9 months ago
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osama bin laden would be more better
dAsterum 9 months ago
I remember when Lucy was discovered and I read about hot he named her.
truvelocity 9 months ago
@truvelocity Cool.
GodofCider 9 months ago
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that thing wunt in the bible, i call bullshit
fishtankbank 9 months ago
@fishtankbank
Obvious troll is obvious.
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago 17
@TheCopaceticMan I wouldn't be bringing Einsteins Theory of Relativity into this and though i agree with your statement there is one thing that contradicts the main theory of evolution. Look a the end of the Trilobites.
1stNightingale 9 months ago
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@1stNightingale that sounds interesting, can you elaborate or link to an article/paper?
conceitarturo 9 months ago
@1stNightingale I don't think you meant this to be directed at me... But... There has yet to be any indication that something defeats or contradicts evolution. The whole idea of punctuated equilibrium handles the rapid changes in species over a relatively short period of time.
Mind you, PE still takes a long time.
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago
@TheCopaceticMan @TheCopaceticMan And there in-lies the issue and the questioning. I believe in the Theory of Evolution and i am a Spiritual Christian but i do see that there is at-least one unanswered question about Evolution in the Trilobites.
1stNightingale 9 months ago
@1stNightingale Don't get me wrong when I say this, but, the fossil record, the way it is ordered, backs up PE very well. The fossil record backs up the original concept of evolution, we just had to change how we think of evolution occurring to match this fact.
Here is how the original concept of evolution works: a a a aaaab aaab aabb abbb abbbb b b b
-Basically a change over a relatively long period of time.
Here what we see in the fossil record: a a a a a (ab) b b b b b
-Basically rapid change
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago
@TheCopaceticMan I don't know what PE means, or what you're referencing as "the original concept of evolution", but current evolution theory does include and explain the phenomenon of relatively sudden change. When a new mutation benefits an organism, the advantaged individuals take over the breeding and eating and all pretty rapidly, due to better survival rates.
Crunchy68 9 months ago
@Crunchy68 That's punctuated equilibrium. There's one other thing I'd like to add to that as well, it's only going to be in ascendance while the new environmental conditions are stable. If they change again, those species that are generalists will be a better bet for survival. Our specialist relatives Au. robustus didn't fare too well once the forests of the Pilocene faded. It's like nosocomial infection - hospitals breed germ strains that are well adapted to hospital conditions and populations.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@Crunchy68 Sorry I didn't clarify. PE is short hand for punctuated equilibrium. And the original concept I meant as the very slow change over time (as in a long weaving tree).
The original concept of natural selection acting on random mutations is still valid. I wasn't saying it wasn't. I know quite well how it works.
/watch?v=_YpAG3miURY
This was the video that I was talking about.
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago
@Crunchy68 Referencing... I was referencing... not talking about... -_- FAIL!
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago
@TheCopaceticMan And there's also what's known as the Signor-Lipps Effect, which generally indicates the rarer and newer a species is in a genus the less likely it is that it will be preserved in the fossil record. It's really a matter of probablility as well as the general environment that indicates the likelyhood of a specimen being in the fossil record. And for rare hominds? Even less so as due to intelligence, they were even less likely to get killed off in ways that encourage preservation.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Well, I know about that effect, although I didn't know the technical name.
And when I say that sudden change is what you almost always find, I was referencing the scientist who said that in this video: /watch?v=_YpAG3miURY
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago
@TheCopaceticMan Good video suggestion. I think the thing that really needs to be emphasized in these events is the role that environmental change plays and the new niches that get opened up for exploitation by lifeforms. I think the thing that is most fascinating about the whole process is the interplay of energy flows in the environment. Each species finds that place it can exploit best at the lowest energy cost in relation to it's neighbors.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Were we having a debate... Or were we agreeing?
Now I am confused...
TheCopaceticMan 9 months ago
@TheCopaceticMan We're agreeing, but I'm trying to bring up some points that most readers who might see this would not know about. Trying to get the general public to think rather than just accept. That's one of the reasons I specifically target creationists - it tests my knowledge and understanding of the subject matter. It's a good intellectual exercise. I can't get through to them - too much denial. But if I can get one person on the fence to think for just a minute, then it's a success.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Excuse my imposition into your discussion, I agree with your position, until you got to the fence sitters. I prefer to push them over. I guess that makes me an 'aggressive' atheist. I'm tired of being 'respectful' and 'curteous' to their delusion. Let one xian demonstrate to me that they can fulfil the promises of their 'god', uttered in John 14:11-14, and then we'll have something to talk about. Until then, they're just 'people without faith', like me. Xians don't exist.
yeshuahfullofit 9 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit No worries. The direct approach sometimes does work, but I prefer a bit more subtle method. You can expose falsehood all day long but getting people to think is a bit more challenging and overall, rewarding. And after all, this is an educational channel.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman 'Touche'. Point made. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 9 months ago
@TheCopaceticMan I think others have best explained my point. Although i agree with you i do say that there is a couple of questions that the theory of evolution does not cover.
1stNightingale 9 months ago
@fishtankbank wow that is a terrible attempt at trolling.
AussiePolitics 9 months ago
@AussiePolitics more like a terrible attempt at humor.
fishtankbank 9 months ago