Okay guys, this is just crazy as hell. I was hoping that some weird glitch lead this troll to thinking our posts were new, but he is clearly trolling. Just report him and he will get banned from YouTube.
@nidodson If you posted to someone dozens of times in the past, (no matter how long ago) that person has the right to respond to at least SOME of your posts. Thats not trolling. Seems like you misunderstand the term. It appears that you are just as guilty because your posts are just as numerous and you didn't await a response in between them. You are actually asking to be banned yourself because your actions are just as bad and worse.
@nidodson You are the person calling names, using personal attacks and profanity on this page. If anyone should be reported, it is you. I suggest that you consider how you speak to people and consider how many posts you have made without awaiting any responses.
I didn't wait over 365 days to reply, and my replies were directly to posts which were just a numerous, as then it was a discussion. It has been too long to be replying to so many posts. Plus your posts are continuing with verbiage (IE: "You just lost again.") that qualifies as taunting. You are begging for a more aggressive reaction than I care to even give you. That taunting is exactly what trolling is. Plus you are still replying with multiple posts.
@nidodson You have called me a lunatic, a psychopath, telling people they live in their own little world and calling me and seveal other people names. When I have done nothing to deserve those names. You use profanity. You say "you're waiting" for me to respond. I haven't used profanity towards you. You seem like the one with the problem here. You attack me and many others. And you have attacked/taunted people all over this page and you want to make a point about others?
Are all of you idiots. When all of these people were speaking of freedom of religion they were talking about different sects of Christianity, the thought was you could be any kind of christian you wanted. What has happened to education that people don,t know or want to know the truth.
Has anyone heard of Roger Williams? He is the one that began the freedom of religion movement in America back in the 1700s. He wanted to come to a place where he felt it was free to practice whatever religion you wanted without worrying about punishment from the government, as I suppose they did in England where he came from. Basically, this means that this is NOT a christian nation, it is a nation where you're free to believe what you want to believe.
I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another: for freedom of the press, & against all violations of the constitution to silence by force & not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents.
Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.
2 - from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure
"No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
From: Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, June 16, 1817
And you remember to have heard, that, when the act for religious freedom was before the Virginia Assembly, a motion to insert the name of Jesus Christ before the phrase, 'the author of our holy religion,' which stood in the bill, was rejected, although that was the creed of a great majority of them.
Surely if the other states stick together they have have greater financial clout than Texas alone? Can't they dictate that textbooks tell the truth? If Texas wins America will become a joke in the eyes of the world in our lifetime.
@YY4Me133 I'm all for getting rid of religion completely but the truth is that no nation has ever existed without it. So, we would need to replace it with something.
@KenMacMillan Atheists prove we don't have to "replace it with something." Theists are entitled to believe any nonsense they want, and, unfortunately, to teach it to their children, but they're not entitled to teach it to other people's children, or rewrite history, or teach their creation myth as fact, or interfere with science, civil rights, etc. Texas school books are only one aspect of a larger agenda some christians have to destroy our secular republic and replace it with a theocracy.
@YY4Me133 In fact, the further we turn from religion the further the country sinks. What I had in mind was a collection of books, something like the longevity project, brain bugs, stop acting rich, & quantum memory power. It's not a complete list but it's a start. It still needs something on raising kids, mathematics, economics, diet & exercise. We also need a basic philosophy that promotes reason.
@KenMacMillan You wrote: "In fact, the further we turn from religion the further the country sinks."
You base this on what? Statistically, countries that are less religious have better standards of living, less crime, etc. When the U.S. was more religious, we had slavery, child labor, women couldn't vote, etc.
I think what we need is to teach critical thinking skills. To tell everyone it's okay to question everything. The only book that contributed to my atheism is the christian bible.
@YY4Me133 All of Europe gave up religion without replacing it with anything. Now there's nothing to bind people together and that's why they are dying out.
@YY4Me133 No, I'm stating the historical fact that religion has been the major component used to bind people together for all of recorded history. I'm suggesting that we can't just eliminate it without replacing it with something else. Personally I'd start with the longevity project. It's not enough but it's a start.
@KenMacMillan Religion has been used to bind the in-group, and disparage outsiders. It's been used to stifle progress, justify theft of land, killing, torture, etc. We can come together on issues of importance to us all, but not if religion continues to separate people. Not if ignorance, i.e. faith, is seen as superior to rational thought and science.
I don't know anything about The Longevity Project, but if it's about increasing human lifespan, I don't see how that helps.
@YY4Me133 The longevity project is the longest running scientific study in history. They followed 1500 people from childhood until death. The book by the same title is about the results of the study & what lifestyles increased longevity & happiness. Two major areas covered by religion. It's not a philosophy or a study in medical advancements. Studies show that the religious live longer happier lives than atheists & that book can help to narrow the gap. It should be taught in health class.
@KenMacMillan Who prays over their children and lets them die, rather than get medical attention? Who beats their children with a "rod," sometimes to death? Who cuts off their baby's arms, drowns them in tubs, smashes in their heads with rocks because some god "told them to? Who tries to limit personal freedoms, interferes with education and science? Not atheists. *If* atheists really are not as happy as theists, it's because theists make life miserable for everyone else.
@KenMacMillan You wrote: "Very few people, especially in America do the sort of things you're describing here."
Really? Are you suggesting that only a few theists support unconstitutional laws based on religious rules? How about Prop. 8? How about groups fighting to have abortion made illegal? How about groups fighting for prayer in public schools? How about groups fighting to have their creation myth taught as science in public schools?
@KenMacMillan we can replace irrational beliefs with atleast more rational beliefs.
Actually I am not against believing, I am just against promoting and supporting (via tax legislations) something that have no rational belief attached to it.
Let churches pay taxes, even let them do business as long as they pay taxes, but let them also pay taxes for contributions. And the only excempt from taxes are legitimate volunteer work.
The other states should not accept Texas text books, thus making the printing cost of the Texas text books higher. For we all know the real god of the right is greed..
Matthew 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’
Hey guys, just because people say their Christians dosen't meen they are. I've met imposters in EVERYTHING, Police, Outlaws, Hell's Angels, Black Panthers and FRIENDS. People use God and religion for personal gain. like Jim Jones & David Koresh, they couldn't be further away if they tried. But God knows who's who. Humans give God a bad name and they'll be dealt with.
Most of the founding fathers were of English descent. Their beliefs were more reasonable and secular than those of the religious radicals that came later, with the waves of thousands of Scots-Irish who had to move beyond the early English and German settlements, into what is now Appalachia and the South, including Texas, where a large proportion of the population is descended from those early Presbyterian bible thumpers. They continue to try to undermine the separation of church and state.
The Treaty of Tripoli 1796, Written by the Founding Fathers and UNANIMOUSLY passed by congress at the time.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen...read the rest by looking it up because it does not fit here but that first sentence says it ALL!
I live in Texas and i dont think they will push this religious shit on us. The teachers at my school all maintain an agnostic view for the sake of the class. When one of our classmates starts assaulting another persons religion and is NOT joking around, we immediately silence them.
Sadly, conservatives don’t want to teach our children about why the formation of The United States was such an incredible accomplishment. They would rather raise ignorant American children who will have to compete with children from other countries who are being taught the truth about America's forefathers and evolution etc. Thanks to conservatives, our children will be less informed and less able to compete. As the American empire falls, don’t forget to thank conservatives for their stupidity!
{conservatives don’t want to teach our children about why the formation of The United States was such an incredible accomplishment}
Yea, because if they do, then the children will know that the founders were raving liberal, LSD Hippies. You gotta watch those conservatives, they're liable to cause a 2nd American revolution to make things conservative. A "cultural" one or something
{They would rather raise ignorant American children who will have to compete with children from other countries - dont forget to thank conservatives for their stupidity}
Well you know how it goes...if the conservative educated children compete with children from other countries, thats because it gets rather old for private (Christian) school kids to always be running academic circles around the public, secular school Apes that, these days, are doing well if they can read their name on a diploma
It always amazes me when conservatives say our country was founded on Christian values. Are they not aware that the U.S. was the world’s first ever secular democracy. U.S. Citizens were not required to acknowledge deities, or a leader appointed by a god, in order to be citizens? All other governments before The United States government had this requirement. Conservatives should be proud of being the first amongst all modern existing governments to have this form of government.
{It always amazes me when conservatives say US was founded on Christian values. Are they not aware that the US was the world’s first secular democracy}
OH WOW, imagine that...all these years living in America & the whole time I've been in the wrong place. Boy do I ever feel like a total "Religotard"... I thought America was founded a Republic that protected the free-practice of religion as the 1st thing amended, due to weighing heavy on mind?? I didn't know it was a "secular democracy"
{U.S. Citizens were not required to acknowledge deities, or a leader appointed by a god, in order to be citizens}
Gee, and the whole time I thought that was because they wrote the US Constitution with the Bible in one hand & a quill in the other... precisely as many Constitutional/Early American historians/scholars have said throughout America's history. It made me think that the founders legislated Christianity as the "law of the land". You know, that Biblical concept called "freewill"
@Chuichupachichi Honestly, they may have used the Bible for some of their ideas for the Constitution, but definitely not all of them. And quite frankly, the BIble is full of contradicitons. Many of the concepts of the Bible are outdated. That doesn't mean there isn't good that can be drawn from it, but it shouldn't be used as the total basis of anything. I think our Founding Fathers realized this and look at the pros and cons of other cultural ideas, in addition to the Bible.
@Chuichupachichi What makes you think freewill was a Biblical concept first? The ability to choose one's own actions is not something that would be hard for even a primitive society to understand. Of course, now it can be debated that people do not have free will, but for the men who wrote the Bible, I don't think that determinism ever crossed there mind. They were more worried about forming a threat of hell to get people to join there cult.
I ask all people to research the founding fathers and their writings. Mormon are the only one to consider them Christians. Most of the signers of the Constitution were seminary trained, the first Bibles printed in english in the U.S. were printed by the gov. to be used to teach in public schools, the list goes on and on. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE.
@Bristow42 LOL and I used to watch that channel to learn things.... the science channel as well... now all there is on history is is alien hunters an on science is junkyard wars...... even the discovery health channel is Oprah's network now
@upplsuckimcool16 American education system has only one purpose train slaves. A government that has a population of educated people asks question is hard to control. A dumb population can be lied to, and be brain washed into believing anything.
@Bristow42 i don't believe that... I think the education system (however bad it is) is there to keep a small aprt of the population smart since it is needed to run a society.... HOWEVER, they are in debted and thus you can call that a form of slavery...
I believe you are correct but not about our colleges, I think the "slavery" aspect comes from the difficulty of getting schooled in the first place...
if you are referring to grade school then I part agree with you under my context here.
@upplsuckimcool16 To control large populations of people or even govern them, once a population has reach certain mass, education becames resource, business and a problem for government. Its open for abuse by everyone with an agenda. America is so heavy run by corpations, it is they who have set the agenda and give the public the illusion of choice. And at the same time populute minds and make money. College is just icing on the cake and a place to cherry pick dog handlers.End game debt slaves
@Bristow42 I agree... Again though.. The people who are workin for these places will not be forever.... and People mmust get schooled... It's all about the difficulty of gettting schooled... A poor kid from boston will not into harvard like a rich kid will... and who is more likely too not care about screwing over the lowers?
@Bristow42 The USA and the third world is the only places left on earth that have a major Christian majority. This is not only unhartning but it is quite telling to the high level of superstition and it's correlation to a poor education. To be fair statistically the better a government is run the less religious the society is.
@romansten9 I understand what you're saying. You're telling me that you understand exactly what the founding fathers intended, regardless of the fact that you're putting words into their mouths. If you think they intended for this country to be a christian theocracy, you are interpreting the founding documents to match your worldview.
Arguing with theocrats is like getting into a shit-throwing fight with a monkey. Pointless.
@VesusSheist I never said that the founders wanted to create a Christian theocracy. OR that they intended to make this into a (forced) Christian nation. (not officially) It makes sense why documents are as they are.
People CHOSE Christianity.
You are going on and on trying to convince me of something that I already agree with you on!!
Do you realize how much time you have wasted telling me something I already know??
The founders DID want freedom of religion. (including on the job)
I am fully aware of the schooling in Texas because I graduated high school and still live here. I am against the Christian views forced upon our children that do not and will not learn the actual truth of our forefathers. I have always doubted religion, even when I was forced to attend church as a young boy. Even when I joined the military, I was ordered to attend a sermon at least once in boot camp. I believe that people here in Texas just assume everyone is a christian, but they are wrong.
@VesusSheist If you actually researched the faith of the founding fathers, you would find that a very small number had a problem with God. The vast majority had faith in God, as well as the people of the US. Christianity was the faith of the US during the founding period. If you deny that, you really need to do some research. Any evidence to support your ideas is tiny compared with a huge amount to support the founder's faith. Not even close.
@VesusSheist If the DOI isn't referring to God, who do you suppose it is referring to? The great spaghetti monster in the sky? (as Richard Dawkins would say)
You could make far greater arguments than trying to magically removed God from the DOI. Nobody is going to fall for what you are saying. (well, perhaps ignorant, naive people that believe everything their teachers and the media say)
Which is what we have today. People that won't research history. That believe today's weak arguments...
I think that Atheists and Anti-Theists could have a better way of discussing topics than calling people crazy. Also concerning this video. I believe that the founding fathers were not religious at all. They wanted to establish a country where the people of the country were not ruled by religion. Christian in this country have been brainwashed with anti-christian beliefs. The bible has been altered and the truth has been distorted. IF the group thinks I am crazy. Fine. I'm not afraid of the word.
Not religious at all and being deists are 2 different things sweetie. You really need to work on your grammar too. "Christian in this country have been brainwashed with anti-christian beliefs." Really? And you wonder why people call you an idiot? The bible has been altered, it is clear if you know Greek and read one of the earliest known versions. If you know the history of the bible you know it was put together by the ruler of Rome anyways though. Not very holy.
@nidodson You are not even moral by your own standards and you dare attack mine? As far as grammar, who cares, I'm, only interested in getting the truth out, not lying to people and influencing them with my wonderful grammar, which by the way i got A's in English, but here I don't care, it isn't important its just a way to get me diverted on to a stupid subject. just like calling me an idiot. And for that matter the fact that I can see right through you is makes me intelligent and not idiotic.,
@nidodson You are going to have to provide some very hard cold facts to back up what you are saying, I mean no one can dispute them facts, for me to even begin to believe you. You are not a person who woke up and decided there was no God, you are a wicked evil person who wants to torment Christians and you know the truth you are no better than the Illuminati and all those victims of mind control. You are the one I would say that will burn, not these people who made the video, YOU!
The Illuminati? Do you want to talk about the New World Order next? How about how Obama is the anti-christ and wasn't born in America. Better yet, a 6,000 year old Earth.
The fact is, you haven't even pointed out what you disagree with, just that you disagree with things I said.
Also, writing in at least somewhat coherent sentences is to help with clarity of conversation. If you are capable of it and don't, then it means you have very little self respect.
@nidodson You have no trouble responding to me, so I must not be that incoherent. As far as my self respect that is a matter of opinion. I mean I am not going around calling myself crazy. You are. You disrespect me more than my grammar does.
Two weeks old and you still have a desire to get things going again. That shows me you are just wanting attention kiddo. How about you get some attention from your husband instead, because I am not him and it isn't my job.
Go take an IQ test and let me know how you do though if you want to talk about intelligence.
@nidodson Sorry, It was reflex when I came back to see what someone else was saying. I think I'd have a pretty hard time getting the attention of my husband now, because he isn't among the living. No that's ok, it's not your fault, you didn't know. And as far as IQ tests, what does intelligence have to do with anything? Even a stupid cave man knows if you put a wheel on it it'll go faster. I think you mean stupid or dumb. You also need to work on your manners.
I know some people that still debate if a wheel really helps in modern day. Manners are reserved for those that earn them, and few people do earn that treatment. Conservatives are far less likely to receive that treatment because of how they react to it. They react better to being talked to authoritatively and like they are not worthy. Through religion they are used to having to strive from being something lesser.
@nidodson Right, because now we have discovered a lot more to work with. Really, manners are what you display no matter what. Although I do respect your honesty. I don't know why we put labels on people. What is a conservative anyway, someone who goes green? By the way the former sentence was facetious. I hate being talked to that way. It reminds me of my dead abusive husband. I wouldn't say that Religion makes me or anyone else lesser. Are you sure you aren't Norman Mailer reincarnated?
@iluvugo If other christians didn't have this INSANE and hopelessly misguided idea that the founders intended America to be a theocracy, we wouldn't be calling them crazy. So maybe you should go and try to convince them, not us.
@nidodson If you want to do good, stop being selfish and do good for The Lord and not for your own self. People usually give because it makes them look good outwardly, but God is what is good inwardly.
Hell, I rarely give people my name when helping them when they don't know me, and rarely accept anything in return. Some people take not accepting something in return as an insult, and that is okay. I rarely do something for something in return. I normally try to disappear for a while after helping people so they don't try to do something for me, and I have never cared for a grandiose thanks for anything. If they feel the need I try to pass it to someone else because I don't want it
So if I believe and it comes to nothing, then what have I lost? If believe and it is true, then I have gained eternal life. If I don't believe and it isn't true, then what have I lost? If I don't believe and it is true, then I have gained eternal damnation. By the way it is the sinner and the non-believer that have all to fear. Jesus came to rescue the believer from fear. If I obey I do not live in fear, for there is no punishment for a righteous believer of God.
@nidodson The fact that Israel went into captivity by the Babylonians is proof and then there is all the prophecies concerning Jesus Christ. They are all compatible and it is proven that the prophets writings are older than the writings about Jesus. It is proven even by Muslims and Jews that Jesus actually existed.
@nidodson So you believe that Satan the Devil couldn't have known God's plans and stolen them first. Not the other way around? You have no proof that it isn't the other way around as I have presented it but I do have proof. The Prophets and Jesus. Isaiah existed. It is proven, Ezekiel had a certain scribe and there is evidence he existed, Jeremiah.
Well,we have geological evidence for the Sumerian story, and no for the bible one. Also since we dont see magic happen, it is doubtful that either a devil or god exist in a form that that is realistic.
Anyways, quit dude, you are just looking even more crazy to even the average christian.
@nidodson So you believe that Satan the Devil couldn't have known God's plans and stolen them first. Not the other way around? You have no proof that it isn't the other way around as I have presented it but I do have proof. The Prophets and Jesus. Isaiah existed. It is proven,
@nidodson It's called pre-corruption and we will see who's wrong on judgment day mr. smart guy! You know what all atheist and anti-theists change their facts it's called schizophrenic science. One day we hold this belief and the next we hold this one. This is the way it happened I THINK! NO NO NO this is the way it happened with a pause and then the word theory. But this bible you say is changed hasn't changed since we stole it from whomever you want to make believe we stole it from.
Yeah, because the changes are such huge leaps. Going from thinking Earth is 4 or 5 billion to 4.54 billion years old. Or when religion was in charge of science, Earth was the center of the universe, because you would get killed for thinking otherwise, because the bible said so. Then we realized we, like other planets in the solar system, orbit the sun, then that the sun orbits a black hold in the center of the galaxy. It is completely insane. /s
When 60% of the story is word for word the same, it is the same story, and stolen from them. The story has basicly stayed the same as part of the bible, but was altered before being out into the old testament, you can blame the jews. Except that the bible was put together by the roman leader at the time to keep control of the people, and has been altered since, mainly during translations, which is why New Age and King James isnt the same, or else they wouldn't have different names.
This world is becoming so against God anyway, that I really don't care what the government says or doesn't say. The bottom line? That no matter what I am going to keep worshiping my God the way he commands me to and if presented with a choice to choose something that goes against my God(because it is law) or die. Then I welcome death.
@nidodson None of your comments change the meaning of what Washington said. My point was trying to determine what Washington believed in. That is what these discussions are ALL about. The beliefs and values held by the founders.
Your continued nitpicking of details does not change the meaning of Washington's words one bit. He believed that "the gospel of Jesus Christ" was a valuable thing to learn about. PERIOD.
Native Americans asked him a question. Big deal. Doesn't change his words
Actually the fact of what the Delaware Indians asked has a huge impact on the response that Washington provided. He repeated exactly they called it. Not if they said we want to learn your religion then he said gospel of jesus christ then you would have a leg to stand on. You are taking a situational response and claiming as an absolute position. With this logic you would think Washington supported slavery.
@nidodson No, the logic I used regarding Washington was sound. He is supporting the idea of learning about the Bible. If Washington responded by saying that it was a bad idea for them to learn about Jesus, you would actually have a point. He did not. His support of religion aligns with many other comments that Washington made, and many actions of Washington as well.
He supported that the Delaware Indians learn the religion of their new neighbors. If you had an Islamic person move in next to you I would support you learning about their religion and culture too.
You act as if he wasn't an intelligent man who was doing what was needed to keep the new nation together. That is what he did on the front of slavery and religion. He did what he had to for the people and most importantly the nation, placed independence and liberty above all else.
Still, your claim that he supported religion, specifically Christianity, be taught in schools is complete hog wash. He spoke of equality between Christians, Jews, Islams and even Atheists. He believed in a god, but didn't believe in treating others different or forcing any religion onto anyone else. That is the point of freedom of religion.
Of course you are also the person who lied and said that the Bible was no longer part of public school's teachings in 1963.
@nidodson I didn't lie about anything that happened in 1963, you just claim that I did. You twisted what I said and then said that I lied.
There were court decisions regarding the Bible and prayer in 1963. Look it up. Or I will take a min. and look it up and post if for you to read. Most people know this. You (again) nitpicked my post and said something about some students continuing to read the Bible and praying in schools. That is common knowledge, I didn't say ALL prayers stopped then.
"The Bible was part of education from the time of the founding fathers until 1962-63. (over 150 years) It never should have been removed." - You
The Bible was never part of public education. I didn't put any words into your mouth. You were the one that made the claim, and claimed that it was removed from education. Now if that isn't what you meant, then maybe the real problem we are seeing is your inability to understand the english language, which would make sense at this point
@nidodson You said: "The Bible was never part of public education."
Now I could use your behavior as an example and jump all over you for that statement, and call you a liar, etc. I don't even have to nitpick your statement, its clearly wrong. But, I choose to not jump all over you for that statement. Anyone reading this already knows that your comment is wrong, there is no need to ridicule you for it.
It is true. It was never part of public school education. If anyone was teaching it in public schools, then it was against public school policies. You claim you can nitpick that fact, but you can't or you would have. Nice to see you can make empty claims though. Just like your twisting of quotes.
@nidodson I'm a woman not a dude. I don't look crazy. Crazy is dismissive. It means you are losing your argument and you need to grab for something. something that will make the other person emotional and when they snap then you can say see I told you so. It is only a cowards tactic. Read your email nidodson I think you'll find your judgment there.
That is good for you, but I live a very morally sound life, and I don't need to fear a magical mythological being to do that like you do. That is the huge difference between a theist and deist really. It is sad that you get so emotional about this, but it is because you are brainwashed into a thought process that prays on your emotions to weaken you to keep you as part of their cult, which organized religions are cults because of that fact. I feel sorry for you, but it is your life.
@nidodson You can't be living a morally sound life with out God. As Peter, a person that can be proved to had known Jesus, said, I do not go off of Myths, but we know because we have seen him and touched him, so I am taking your word for it. Why do attribute such disgusting things like magic with my Lord and Savior, further proof you don't know him and are of the world and not him. I am not emotional you are. I am not brainwashed. You are the weakened one by the adversary.
@nidodson You are part of the old man and the old nature and have returned to it. I don't do organized religion, God is not a religion. Wow you said the word fact. Which you don't have any to back up your claim I on the other hand have many facts. I don't feel sorry for a disobedient fool and your right when you said LIFE. I feel sorry for you but it;s your death.
You follow the bible, therefore are part of an organized religion if you go to a church or not sadly, especially with how strongly you hold onto it. Also, there is no god worth believing in that requires belief in it. No petty god would be worth the title of a god.
@nidodson That is a lie. Then smart man what is the name of my religion? I am not part of an organized religion. Do you even know what organized means? No you are just throwing out arguments to buy your time so that you may win this argument. I tell you, you have already lost it. You insult God and things which you pretend to have knowledge of but have none of. So should I take your god's view point that he should be god and has appointed you to be your own lord and savior?
This is sad that your level of thinking is so primitive that you really don't get it at all.
Also, what have you lost? Time with family, friends, loved ones that you waste with religion instead. Time excelling your career, skills, improving your self and life with some fluff because it makes you feel good in a shallow way. It is like being a drinker. Filling in shallow holes because you are blind to reality.
@nidodson This is sad that your of thinking is so primitive that you really don't get it at all. Also, what have you lost? Time with God, prayer, understanding that you waste your time with things that will take you no where instead. You've spent time excelling your career, skills, improving yourself and life with grandiosities that make you feel better about your sins.
What 'sins'? That I don't believe in an egotistical god? That is it's problem if it even exists, not mine. I enjoy my career, I wouldn't deny that, but I actually do things to improve the lives of other people. I don't live a selfish life.
@nidodson The sin where you deny the Father and blaspheme his Holy name. It's good you don't believe in an egotistical God, for God is not egotistical. Oh HE does exist nidodson, HE does exist. Yes you are a lover of pleasures that is another sin, this is what your career provides. Yes and you boast about your good deeds. That is a sin. You seek my approval and I tell you, you already have your reward. Those who are rich will be made poor and those who are poor will be made rich.
@nidodson Reasoning within yourself that there is no God and if there is no God then you don't have to face punishment. I tell you, you will face punishment. You will not escape it and you it will not pass you up.
@nidodson And you follow Satan so therefore you are apart of the world and it's organized anti-christ ways if you don't believe what is written in the bible, sadly. Especially with how strongly you hold to your beliefs. Also there is no demonic anti-christ worth believing in that it requires belief in it. No petty demonic doctrine of nonfaith would be worth being deemed the truth.
I follow satan, hell, I am satan. I never had sex with a woman I didn't love. I help out family, friends and strangers whenever I can. I volunteer for my community. I have been the person that has brought solutions to my local and state government for problems that have been used. I love my life, I love helping people and improve the world around me any way possible, yet I am following satan. Exactly.
It is sad that you most likely don't do half of that.
@nidodson Works without faith is dead. It is sad that you don't know me and don't know what I do or what I don't do. I don't believe you do half of that either.
I never even talk about this stuff, because I do it to help other people, not benefit myself or get attention for it. I hate getting attention for something everyone should be willing to do for each other.
I sin because I love my career? That is a blind statement since you don't know why I love my career. I request lower pay to keep more people employed, because I am not in it to get rich. I don't seek approval for my actions. I am just giving you an example of a life without your god.
@nidodson Well now that is more to the truth. I was wondering why you put me in a box and basically accused me of all the things you think are a Christian. So I have no knowledge of your life as much as you have no knowledge of my beliefs or why I believe them. And for all my blind statements about you, you like wise made some about me.
@nidodson Just because you can't see it now, doesn't mean you won't see it. You are stumbling over it right now. The darkness has covered it. Yet that which you stumble over is that which is mightier than all and is what saves. That is why it is written, "Get up sleeper! Arise from the dead, and the Messiah will shine on you!"
The difference is, I can prove my life. You can't prove your mythological being, and if you think you can, it is a psychological trick that fools you into seeing something that didn't really happen. It is common, and not your fault since you are just following the crowd, but reality is far sweeter than fairytales.
@nidodson The difference is I can prove my God, but your life will end and come to nothing. You can't prove your non beliefs in your worldly ways and if you think you can then you are psychologically tricked and fooled into a false understanding that leads you down into the pit all the while your eyes are shut and your are dead and have knowledge of nothingness and your arguments are based in nothingness.
Right there, thank you. You just did prove something, that you really are a complete idiot. I was holding off and giving you a bit of credit still, but you just completely ended any reason to give you any respect at all when it comes to your thought capabilities. It is sad that there are people who are actually incapable of a logical though. What is your IQ anyways? 84?
@nidodson IT's sad you are not only disillusioned by your ego, but you are also a liar. you haven't been considering giving me respect at all. Neither have I foolishly expected it from it. But here, this is my rebuttal. Every mathematical, scientific, and philosophical system has vagueness and contradictions in their principles. Philosophers cannot defend nor define their own criteria of meaning without employing self-defeating arguments.All mathematical and philosophical systems have paradoxes
@nidodson when one pushes to get total clarity of terms one either has to accept (a) some vagueness of terms or (b) accept paradoxes without extremely clear terms. Common sense of human existence means we must accept the contradictions that accompany the complexity of the sense and nonsense of our spiritual environment. Life is full of nonsense that cannot be broken down into logic. The problem with evil is actually a sign that reveals that there are deep issues of life that must be plumbed
Just because you are incapable of understanding it doesn't make it impossible to understand. You are clearly incapable of understanding some rather simple things that the average person can understand rather easily. It isn't nonsense, it makes perfect sense, which is exactly why we are able to make predictions about what will happen and they come true. I have no problem admitting people are more intelligent than me, but you clearly have to admit that to most people in the world.
@nidodson Why do you think I am incapable of understanding your viewpoint. Yours is simple, No God. What is so hard to understand about that? It is you who are incapable of understanding God. Therefore you have decided there is no God.
@nidodson I guess you are saying I am not average, thank you , I take that as a compliment. I never sought to be average. What do predictions have to do with lack of belief? People with belief are quite capable of making predictions without scientific input and they come true also. Infact they are coming true as we speak.
@nidodson No I think you have a lot of problem admitting when you are wrong. You get bitter when someone states themselves as a matter of fact and start attacking the person instead of the argument. Which indicates your ego is bruised. Only because you seek to control others and need them to agree with you.
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, it happens all of the time with politics, nutrition, the history of WWI and WWII, agriculture, sports and more. It isn't a big deal, but believing in a mythological being is just as silly as believing in a greek god. I started attacking your due to your complete ignorance of reality. It is disgusting that people so detached from reality even exist. You have a twisted view on reality, and it is disgraceful to man kind.
@nidodson You have no problem admitting when you are wrong, except when it comes to God, God is not a religion. Religion only means to practice. Do normal citizens practice the laws of the land? No they abide by them. You haven't proven that God is a mythological being, so it is unfair for you even to label him as such. Greek God's have been proven mythological, therefore they have no comparison to my God. No you attacked me because you were unsuccessful at gettin
What should we, the common people, do to stop this? Is there anything that can be done about this??
R0ckG1r7 1 month ago
i dont want to live on this planet anymore.... im going to mars
phantomwolf2 1 month ago
LOL These guys are RIGHT ON THE MONEY lol.
MichaelPAUSA 3 months ago
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romansten9 3 months ago
Okay guys, this is just crazy as hell. I was hoping that some weird glitch lead this troll to thinking our posts were new, but he is clearly trolling. Just report him and he will get banned from YouTube.
nidodson 3 months ago
@nidodson If you posted to someone dozens of times in the past, (no matter how long ago) that person has the right to respond to at least SOME of your posts. Thats not trolling. Seems like you misunderstand the term. It appears that you are just as guilty because your posts are just as numerous and you didn't await a response in between them. You are actually asking to be banned yourself because your actions are just as bad and worse.
romansten9 3 months ago
@nidodson You are the person calling names, using personal attacks and profanity on this page. If anyone should be reported, it is you. I suggest that you consider how you speak to people and consider how many posts you have made without awaiting any responses.
romansten9 3 months ago
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I didn't wait over 365 days to reply, and my replies were directly to posts which were just a numerous, as then it was a discussion. It has been too long to be replying to so many posts. Plus your posts are continuing with verbiage (IE: "You just lost again.") that qualifies as taunting. You are begging for a more aggressive reaction than I care to even give you. That taunting is exactly what trolling is. Plus you are still replying with multiple posts.
nidodson 3 months ago
@nidodson You have called me a lunatic, a psychopath, telling people they live in their own little world and calling me and seveal other people names. When I have done nothing to deserve those names. You use profanity. You say "you're waiting" for me to respond. I haven't used profanity towards you. You seem like the one with the problem here. You attack me and many others. And you have attacked/taunted people all over this page and you want to make a point about others?
romansten9 3 months ago
@nidodson I'm done talking to you. You don't need to respond and I won't either.
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romansten9 3 months ago
Matt was referring to Thomas Jefferson's "Wall of Separation" letter to the Danbury Baptists, which can be read here:
usconstitutionDOTnet/jeffwallDOThtml
YY4Me133 3 months ago
Are all of you idiots. When all of these people were speaking of freedom of religion they were talking about different sects of Christianity, the thought was you could be any kind of christian you wanted. What has happened to education that people don,t know or want to know the truth.
jonguyton1 3 months ago
@jonguyton1 Sources, please.
There is no freedom of religion if one's choices are limited.
YY4Me133 3 months ago
I lived in Texas for 13 years. It's one big cult of religious nuts. I'm glad I left. I leave that state to them and their imaginary friends.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
Has anyone heard of Roger Williams? He is the one that began the freedom of religion movement in America back in the 1700s. He wanted to come to a place where he felt it was free to practice whatever religion you wanted without worrying about punishment from the government, as I suppose they did in England where he came from. Basically, this means that this is NOT a christian nation, it is a nation where you're free to believe what you want to believe.
LoungeFly02 4 months ago
@LoungeFly02 i'm sorry I meant 1600s
LoungeFly02 4 months ago
1:00 Quakers were at war, lopping off ears and torturing? I find that hard to believe of a pacifist movement.
Mick116 5 months ago
*puff* Thank you.
Forserean 5 months ago
AronRa. The Genghis Khan of atheism.
Brilliant guy.
Llynok 6 months ago 18
Aron and Matt are endbosses
sonykroket 6 months ago 2
Thomas Jefferson
LETTERS
"A PROFESSION OF
POLITICAL FAITH"
To Elbridge Gerry
(Jan. 26, 1799)
I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another: for freedom of the press, & against all violations of the constitution to silence by force & not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents.
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
Amendment I (Religion)
Document 66
James Madison to Edward Livingston
10 July 1822Writings 9:100--103
Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
Amendment I (Religion)
Document 64
James Madison, Detached Memoranda
ca. 1817W. & M. Q., 3d ser., 3:554--60 1946
Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
2 - from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
1 - Autobiography - by Thomas Jefferson
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
"No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
From: Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, June 16, 1817
And you remember to have heard, that, when the act for religious freedom was before the Virginia Assembly, a motion to insert the name of Jesus Christ before the phrase, 'the author of our holy religion,' which stood in the bill, was rejected, although that was the creed of a great majority of them.
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
Surely if the other states stick together they have have greater financial clout than Texas alone? Can't they dictate that textbooks tell the truth? If Texas wins America will become a joke in the eyes of the world in our lifetime.
Hyperplaterine 6 months ago
This is why we need to get the government out of education.
KenMacMillan 6 months ago
@KenMacMillan No. This is why we have to keep religion out of public education.
YY4Me133 3 months ago
@YY4Me133 I'm all for getting rid of religion completely but the truth is that no nation has ever existed without it. So, we would need to replace it with something.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan Atheists prove we don't have to "replace it with something." Theists are entitled to believe any nonsense they want, and, unfortunately, to teach it to their children, but they're not entitled to teach it to other people's children, or rewrite history, or teach their creation myth as fact, or interfere with science, civil rights, etc. Texas school books are only one aspect of a larger agenda some christians have to destroy our secular republic and replace it with a theocracy.
YY4Me133 3 months ago
@YY4Me133 In fact, the further we turn from religion the further the country sinks. What I had in mind was a collection of books, something like the longevity project, brain bugs, stop acting rich, & quantum memory power. It's not a complete list but it's a start. It still needs something on raising kids, mathematics, economics, diet & exercise. We also need a basic philosophy that promotes reason.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan You wrote: "In fact, the further we turn from religion the further the country sinks."
You base this on what? Statistically, countries that are less religious have better standards of living, less crime, etc. When the U.S. was more religious, we had slavery, child labor, women couldn't vote, etc.
I think what we need is to teach critical thinking skills. To tell everyone it's okay to question everything. The only book that contributed to my atheism is the christian bible.
YY4Me133 3 months ago
@YY4Me133 All of Europe gave up religion without replacing it with anything. Now there's nothing to bind people together and that's why they are dying out.
KenMacMillan 2 months ago
@KenMacMillan Are you actually suggesting that the only thing that can "bind people together" is ignorance?
YY4Me133 2 months ago
@YY4Me133 No, I'm stating the historical fact that religion has been the major component used to bind people together for all of recorded history. I'm suggesting that we can't just eliminate it without replacing it with something else. Personally I'd start with the longevity project. It's not enough but it's a start.
KenMacMillan 2 months ago
@KenMacMillan Religion has been used to bind the in-group, and disparage outsiders. It's been used to stifle progress, justify theft of land, killing, torture, etc. We can come together on issues of importance to us all, but not if religion continues to separate people. Not if ignorance, i.e. faith, is seen as superior to rational thought and science.
I don't know anything about The Longevity Project, but if it's about increasing human lifespan, I don't see how that helps.
YY4Me133 2 months ago
@YY4Me133 The longevity project is the longest running scientific study in history. They followed 1500 people from childhood until death. The book by the same title is about the results of the study & what lifestyles increased longevity & happiness. Two major areas covered by religion. It's not a philosophy or a study in medical advancements. Studies show that the religious live longer happier lives than atheists & that book can help to narrow the gap. It should be taught in health class.
KenMacMillan 2 months ago
@KenMacMillan Who prays over their children and lets them die, rather than get medical attention? Who beats their children with a "rod," sometimes to death? Who cuts off their baby's arms, drowns them in tubs, smashes in their heads with rocks because some god "told them to? Who tries to limit personal freedoms, interferes with education and science? Not atheists. *If* atheists really are not as happy as theists, it's because theists make life miserable for everyone else.
YY4Me133 2 months ago 2
@YY4Me133 The people in that study were Americans. Very few people, especially in America do the sort of things you're describing here.
KenMacMillan 2 months ago
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@KenMacMillan You wrote: "Very few people, especially in America do the sort of things you're describing here."
Really? Are you suggesting that only a few theists support unconstitutional laws based on religious rules? How about Prop. 8? How about groups fighting to have abortion made illegal? How about groups fighting for prayer in public schools? How about groups fighting to have their creation myth taught as science in public schools?
YY4Me133 2 months ago
@KenMacMillan "We also need a basic philosophy that promotes reason."
Very true, and religion is not it.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@MagnusNyborg I agree wholeheartedly but we can't just remove religion without replacing it with something.
KenMacMillan 2 months ago
@KenMacMillan we can replace irrational beliefs with atleast more rational beliefs.
Actually I am not against believing, I am just against promoting and supporting (via tax legislations) something that have no rational belief attached to it.
Let churches pay taxes, even let them do business as long as they pay taxes, but let them also pay taxes for contributions. And the only excempt from taxes are legitimate volunteer work.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
The other states should not accept Texas text books, thus making the printing cost of the Texas text books higher. For we all know the real god of the right is greed..
masluxx 7 months ago
Venom's tuff guy's got nutin on this tuff guy!!!!!
souleaterfan1234 7 months ago
lol, some americans went to China to "talk about global warming"lol and the chinise where like.. " get the fuck out with that BS, this is
China you blind fuck"
RainK9 8 months ago
@RainK9
And yet... China HAS signed the Kyoto accords...
Also what is this statement even doing here with this subject they are discussing here in this vid?
thedutchman01 8 months ago
@thedutchman01 just showing what people think about the usa
RainK9 8 months ago
Whoa. Who's this bearded dude? This is the first video I've watched with him, and he seems like a smart cookie.
MrEdLoop 8 months ago
@MrEdLoop That is AronRa a very cool youtube atheist.
Winterwolf00 8 months ago
Matthew 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
Hey guys, just because people say their Christians dosen't meen they are. I've met imposters in EVERYTHING, Police, Outlaws, Hell's Angels, Black Panthers and FRIENDS. People use God and religion for personal gain. like Jim Jones & David Koresh, they couldn't be further away if they tried. But God knows who's who. Humans give God a bad name and they'll be dealt with.
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
Most of the founding fathers were of English descent. Their beliefs were more reasonable and secular than those of the religious radicals that came later, with the waves of thousands of Scots-Irish who had to move beyond the early English and German settlements, into what is now Appalachia and the South, including Texas, where a large proportion of the population is descended from those early Presbyterian bible thumpers. They continue to try to undermine the separation of church and state.
Brenda2OOO 9 months ago
Funny, in all Aronra videos there is a bird squeaking in the background.
Cheers
ekhaat 9 months ago
what is the man's name with the long hair? he seems familiar.
hollaboutit 10 months ago
@hollaboutit aronra, he has his own channel on youtube
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Freedomloveandtruth 10 months ago
not all of the founding fathers were Christian either. But people like to spew that when they say America was a Christian based country.
sanchez2021 11 months ago
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The Treaty of Tripoli 1796, Written by the Founding Fathers and UNANIMOUSLY passed by congress at the time.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen...read the rest by looking it up because it does not fit here but that first sentence says it ALL!
bekka1969 11 months ago 3
I live in Texas and i dont think they will push this religious shit on us. The teachers at my school all maintain an agnostic view for the sake of the class. When one of our classmates starts assaulting another persons religion and is NOT joking around, we immediately silence them.
junkers1337 1 year ago
Sadly, conservatives don’t want to teach our children about why the formation of The United States was such an incredible accomplishment. They would rather raise ignorant American children who will have to compete with children from other countries who are being taught the truth about America's forefathers and evolution etc. Thanks to conservatives, our children will be less informed and less able to compete. As the American empire falls, don’t forget to thank conservatives for their stupidity!
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{conservatives don’t want to teach our children about why the formation of The United States was such an incredible accomplishment}
Yea, because if they do, then the children will know that the founders were raving liberal, LSD Hippies. You gotta watch those conservatives, they're liable to cause a 2nd American revolution to make things conservative. A "cultural" one or something
Chuichupachichi 11 months ago
{They would rather raise ignorant American children who will have to compete with children from other countries - dont forget to thank conservatives for their stupidity}
Well you know how it goes...if the conservative educated children compete with children from other countries, thats because it gets rather old for private (Christian) school kids to always be running academic circles around the public, secular school Apes that, these days, are doing well if they can read their name on a diploma
Chuichupachichi 11 months ago
It always amazes me when conservatives say our country was founded on Christian values. Are they not aware that the U.S. was the world’s first ever secular democracy. U.S. Citizens were not required to acknowledge deities, or a leader appointed by a god, in order to be citizens? All other governments before The United States government had this requirement. Conservatives should be proud of being the first amongst all modern existing governments to have this form of government.
mrekbass 1 year ago
@mrekbass
{It always amazes me when conservatives say US was founded on Christian values. Are they not aware that the US was the world’s first secular democracy}
OH WOW, imagine that...all these years living in America & the whole time I've been in the wrong place. Boy do I ever feel like a total "Religotard"... I thought America was founded a Republic that protected the free-practice of religion as the 1st thing amended, due to weighing heavy on mind?? I didn't know it was a "secular democracy"
Chuichupachichi 11 months ago
{U.S. Citizens were not required to acknowledge deities, or a leader appointed by a god, in order to be citizens}
Gee, and the whole time I thought that was because they wrote the US Constitution with the Bible in one hand & a quill in the other... precisely as many Constitutional/Early American historians/scholars have said throughout America's history. It made me think that the founders legislated Christianity as the "law of the land". You know, that Biblical concept called "freewill"
Chuichupachichi 11 months ago
@Chuichupachichi Honestly, they may have used the Bible for some of their ideas for the Constitution, but definitely not all of them. And quite frankly, the BIble is full of contradicitons. Many of the concepts of the Bible are outdated. That doesn't mean there isn't good that can be drawn from it, but it shouldn't be used as the total basis of anything. I think our Founding Fathers realized this and look at the pros and cons of other cultural ideas, in addition to the Bible.
AuraHero 10 months ago
@Chuichupachichi What makes you think freewill was a Biblical concept first? The ability to choose one's own actions is not something that would be hard for even a primitive society to understand. Of course, now it can be debated that people do not have free will, but for the men who wrote the Bible, I don't think that determinism ever crossed there mind. They were more worried about forming a threat of hell to get people to join there cult.
DeadlyRedRing 10 months ago
I ask all people to research the founding fathers and their writings. Mormon are the only one to consider them Christians. Most of the signers of the Constitution were seminary trained, the first Bibles printed in english in the U.S. were printed by the gov. to be used to teach in public schools, the list goes on and on. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE.
daddyg321 1 year ago
The state of Texas needs more people like Matt and AronRa.
gupsphoo 1 year ago
If everyone knew AronRa's name like the knew Richard Dawkin's name, NO one would fuck with atheists
BoredAtHome44 1 year ago
You forgot to mention the treaty of Tripoli article 11. John Adams says "America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,"
sergeantrex 1 year ago 3
Is that wat a texas Biker looks like?
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
History channel is also full of shit.
Bristow42 1 year ago
@Bristow42 LOL and I used to watch that channel to learn things.... the science channel as well... now all there is on history is is alien hunters an on science is junkyard wars...... even the discovery health channel is Oprah's network now
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
@upplsuckimcool16 American education system has only one purpose train slaves. A government that has a population of educated people asks question is hard to control. A dumb population can be lied to, and be brain washed into believing anything.
Bristow42 1 year ago 41
@Bristow42 i don't believe that... I think the education system (however bad it is) is there to keep a small aprt of the population smart since it is needed to run a society.... HOWEVER, they are in debted and thus you can call that a form of slavery...
I believe you are correct but not about our colleges, I think the "slavery" aspect comes from the difficulty of getting schooled in the first place...
if you are referring to grade school then I part agree with you under my context here.
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
@upplsuckimcool16 To control large populations of people or even govern them, once a population has reach certain mass, education becames resource, business and a problem for government. Its open for abuse by everyone with an agenda. America is so heavy run by corpations, it is they who have set the agenda and give the public the illusion of choice. And at the same time populute minds and make money. College is just icing on the cake and a place to cherry pick dog handlers.End game debt slaves
Bristow42 1 year ago
@Bristow42 I agree... Again though.. The people who are workin for these places will not be forever.... and People mmust get schooled... It's all about the difficulty of gettting schooled... A poor kid from boston will not into harvard like a rich kid will... and who is more likely too not care about screwing over the lowers?
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
@Bristow42 The USA and the third world is the only places left on earth that have a major Christian majority. This is not only unhartning but it is quite telling to the high level of superstition and it's correlation to a poor education. To be fair statistically the better a government is run the less religious the society is.
scotttebben 7 months ago
@Bristow42 What bothers me is how many people don't mind not knowing anything.
GypsyLeah 4 months ago
@VesusSheist I am able to grasp your concept. The problem is that your "concept" is completley ridiculous and you need to get over it already.
Just because YOU have decided that YOU think that the founders needed to write certain words into the founding documents doesn't mean ANYTHING.
Are you able to grasp that concept??
I'm not hearing anyone else make the connections that YOU are making. Its time to move on and actually use some logic from now on! Really.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9 I understand what you're saying. You're telling me that you understand exactly what the founding fathers intended, regardless of the fact that you're putting words into their mouths. If you think they intended for this country to be a christian theocracy, you are interpreting the founding documents to match your worldview.
Arguing with theocrats is like getting into a shit-throwing fight with a monkey. Pointless.
VesusSheist 1 year ago
@VesusSheist I never said that the founders wanted to create a Christian theocracy. OR that they intended to make this into a (forced) Christian nation. (not officially) It makes sense why documents are as they are.
People CHOSE Christianity.
You are going on and on trying to convince me of something that I already agree with you on!!
Do you realize how much time you have wasted telling me something I already know??
The founders DID want freedom of religion. (including on the job)
romansten9 1 year ago
I am fully aware of the schooling in Texas because I graduated high school and still live here. I am against the Christian views forced upon our children that do not and will not learn the actual truth of our forefathers. I have always doubted religion, even when I was forced to attend church as a young boy. Even when I joined the military, I was ordered to attend a sermon at least once in boot camp. I believe that people here in Texas just assume everyone is a christian, but they are wrong.
emptyhanded71 1 year ago
@emptyhanded71 yup ive had a girl try to tell on me in school cause i wasnt christian
LoneStarBoy713 1 year ago
@VesusSheist If you actually researched the faith of the founding fathers, you would find that a very small number had a problem with God. The vast majority had faith in God, as well as the people of the US. Christianity was the faith of the US during the founding period. If you deny that, you really need to do some research. Any evidence to support your ideas is tiny compared with a huge amount to support the founder's faith. Not even close.
romansten9 1 year ago
@VesusSheist If the DOI isn't referring to God, who do you suppose it is referring to? The great spaghetti monster in the sky? (as Richard Dawkins would say)
You could make far greater arguments than trying to magically removed God from the DOI. Nobody is going to fall for what you are saying. (well, perhaps ignorant, naive people that believe everything their teachers and the media say)
Which is what we have today. People that won't research history. That believe today's weak arguments...
romansten9 1 year ago
I was born in Texas, but I'll vote to kick Texas out of the United States. Aint nuthin in Texas but steers-n-queers. Moo.
yeshuahfullofit 1 year ago
Only in Texas... hopefully..
rangergxi 1 year ago
I think that Atheists and Anti-Theists could have a better way of discussing topics than calling people crazy. Also concerning this video. I believe that the founding fathers were not religious at all. They wanted to establish a country where the people of the country were not ruled by religion. Christian in this country have been brainwashed with anti-christian beliefs. The bible has been altered and the truth has been distorted. IF the group thinks I am crazy. Fine. I'm not afraid of the word.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
Not religious at all and being deists are 2 different things sweetie. You really need to work on your grammar too. "Christian in this country have been brainwashed with anti-christian beliefs." Really? And you wonder why people call you an idiot? The bible has been altered, it is clear if you know Greek and read one of the earliest known versions. If you know the history of the bible you know it was put together by the ruler of Rome anyways though. Not very holy.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson You are not even moral by your own standards and you dare attack mine? As far as grammar, who cares, I'm, only interested in getting the truth out, not lying to people and influencing them with my wonderful grammar, which by the way i got A's in English, but here I don't care, it isn't important its just a way to get me diverted on to a stupid subject. just like calling me an idiot. And for that matter the fact that I can see right through you is makes me intelligent and not idiotic.,
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson You are going to have to provide some very hard cold facts to back up what you are saying, I mean no one can dispute them facts, for me to even begin to believe you. You are not a person who woke up and decided there was no God, you are a wicked evil person who wants to torment Christians and you know the truth you are no better than the Illuminati and all those victims of mind control. You are the one I would say that will burn, not these people who made the video, YOU!
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
The Illuminati? Do you want to talk about the New World Order next? How about how Obama is the anti-christ and wasn't born in America. Better yet, a 6,000 year old Earth.
The fact is, you haven't even pointed out what you disagree with, just that you disagree with things I said.
Also, writing in at least somewhat coherent sentences is to help with clarity of conversation. If you are capable of it and don't, then it means you have very little self respect.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson You have no trouble responding to me, so I must not be that incoherent. As far as my self respect that is a matter of opinion. I mean I am not going around calling myself crazy. You are. You disrespect me more than my grammar does.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson So I'm crazy, AND....
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson You are right they were religious, they worshiped satan.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson No, I meant what I said. Funny I call you an idiot all the time and no one wonders why.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
Two weeks old and you still have a desire to get things going again. That shows me you are just wanting attention kiddo. How about you get some attention from your husband instead, because I am not him and it isn't my job.
Go take an IQ test and let me know how you do though if you want to talk about intelligence.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson Sorry, It was reflex when I came back to see what someone else was saying. I think I'd have a pretty hard time getting the attention of my husband now, because he isn't among the living. No that's ok, it's not your fault, you didn't know. And as far as IQ tests, what does intelligence have to do with anything? Even a stupid cave man knows if you put a wheel on it it'll go faster. I think you mean stupid or dumb. You also need to work on your manners.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
I know some people that still debate if a wheel really helps in modern day. Manners are reserved for those that earn them, and few people do earn that treatment. Conservatives are far less likely to receive that treatment because of how they react to it. They react better to being talked to authoritatively and like they are not worthy. Through religion they are used to having to strive from being something lesser.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson Right, because now we have discovered a lot more to work with. Really, manners are what you display no matter what. Although I do respect your honesty. I don't know why we put labels on people. What is a conservative anyway, someone who goes green? By the way the former sentence was facetious. I hate being talked to that way. It reminds me of my dead abusive husband. I wouldn't say that Religion makes me or anyone else lesser. Are you sure you aren't Norman Mailer reincarnated?
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo If other christians didn't have this INSANE and hopelessly misguided idea that the founders intended America to be a theocracy, we wouldn't be calling them crazy. So maybe you should go and try to convince them, not us.
VesusSheist 1 year ago
@nidodson If you want to do good, stop being selfish and do good for The Lord and not for your own self. People usually give because it makes them look good outwardly, but God is what is good inwardly.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
Hell, I rarely give people my name when helping them when they don't know me, and rarely accept anything in return. Some people take not accepting something in return as an insult, and that is okay. I rarely do something for something in return. I normally try to disappear for a while after helping people so they don't try to do something for me, and I have never cared for a grandiose thanks for anything. If they feel the need I try to pass it to someone else because I don't want it
nidodson 1 year ago
So if I believe and it comes to nothing, then what have I lost? If believe and it is true, then I have gained eternal life. If I don't believe and it isn't true, then what have I lost? If I don't believe and it is true, then I have gained eternal damnation. By the way it is the sinner and the non-believer that have all to fear. Jesus came to rescue the believer from fear. If I obey I do not live in fear, for there is no punishment for a righteous believer of God.
iluvugo 1 year ago
I am not your average Christian, infact if I was I wouldn't be a Christian at all.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson The fact that Israel went into captivity by the Babylonians is proof and then there is all the prophecies concerning Jesus Christ. They are all compatible and it is proven that the prophets writings are older than the writings about Jesus. It is proven even by Muslims and Jews that Jesus actually existed.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson So you believe that Satan the Devil couldn't have known God's plans and stolen them first. Not the other way around? You have no proof that it isn't the other way around as I have presented it but I do have proof. The Prophets and Jesus. Isaiah existed. It is proven, Ezekiel had a certain scribe and there is evidence he existed, Jeremiah.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
Well,we have geological evidence for the Sumerian story, and no for the bible one. Also since we dont see magic happen, it is doubtful that either a devil or god exist in a form that that is realistic.
Anyways, quit dude, you are just looking even more crazy to even the average christian.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson So you believe that Satan the Devil couldn't have known God's plans and stolen them first. Not the other way around? You have no proof that it isn't the other way around as I have presented it but I do have proof. The Prophets and Jesus. Isaiah existed. It is proven,
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson It's called pre-corruption and we will see who's wrong on judgment day mr. smart guy! You know what all atheist and anti-theists change their facts it's called schizophrenic science. One day we hold this belief and the next we hold this one. This is the way it happened I THINK! NO NO NO this is the way it happened with a pause and then the word theory. But this bible you say is changed hasn't changed since we stole it from whomever you want to make believe we stole it from.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
Yeah, because the changes are such huge leaps. Going from thinking Earth is 4 or 5 billion to 4.54 billion years old. Or when religion was in charge of science, Earth was the center of the universe, because you would get killed for thinking otherwise, because the bible said so. Then we realized we, like other planets in the solar system, orbit the sun, then that the sun orbits a black hold in the center of the galaxy. It is completely insane. /s
nidodson 1 year ago
@iluvugo
When 60% of the story is word for word the same, it is the same story, and stolen from them. The story has basicly stayed the same as part of the bible, but was altered before being out into the old testament, you can blame the jews. Except that the bible was put together by the roman leader at the time to keep control of the people, and has been altered since, mainly during translations, which is why New Age and King James isnt the same, or else they wouldn't have different names.
nidodson 1 year ago
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@nidodson Funny, thats what the bible says about people like yourself.
iluvugo 1 year ago
This world is becoming so against God anyway, that I really don't care what the government says or doesn't say. The bottom line? That no matter what I am going to keep worshiping my God the way he commands me to and if presented with a choice to choose something that goes against my God(because it is law) or die. Then I welcome death.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson None of your comments change the meaning of what Washington said. My point was trying to determine what Washington believed in. That is what these discussions are ALL about. The beliefs and values held by the founders.
Your continued nitpicking of details does not change the meaning of Washington's words one bit. He believed that "the gospel of Jesus Christ" was a valuable thing to learn about. PERIOD.
Native Americans asked him a question. Big deal. Doesn't change his words
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9
Actually the fact of what the Delaware Indians asked has a huge impact on the response that Washington provided. He repeated exactly they called it. Not if they said we want to learn your religion then he said gospel of jesus christ then you would have a leg to stand on. You are taking a situational response and claiming as an absolute position. With this logic you would think Washington supported slavery.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson No, the logic I used regarding Washington was sound. He is supporting the idea of learning about the Bible. If Washington responded by saying that it was a bad idea for them to learn about Jesus, you would actually have a point. He did not. His support of religion aligns with many other comments that Washington made, and many actions of Washington as well.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9
He supported that the Delaware Indians learn the religion of their new neighbors. If you had an Islamic person move in next to you I would support you learning about their religion and culture too.
You act as if he wasn't an intelligent man who was doing what was needed to keep the new nation together. That is what he did on the front of slavery and religion. He did what he had to for the people and most importantly the nation, placed independence and liberty above all else.
nidodson 1 year ago
@romansten9
Still, your claim that he supported religion, specifically Christianity, be taught in schools is complete hog wash. He spoke of equality between Christians, Jews, Islams and even Atheists. He believed in a god, but didn't believe in treating others different or forcing any religion onto anyone else. That is the point of freedom of religion.
Of course you are also the person who lied and said that the Bible was no longer part of public school's teachings in 1963.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson I didn't lie about anything that happened in 1963, you just claim that I did. You twisted what I said and then said that I lied.
There were court decisions regarding the Bible and prayer in 1963. Look it up. Or I will take a min. and look it up and post if for you to read. Most people know this. You (again) nitpicked my post and said something about some students continuing to read the Bible and praying in schools. That is common knowledge, I didn't say ALL prayers stopped then.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9
"The Bible was part of education from the time of the founding fathers until 1962-63. (over 150 years) It never should have been removed." - You
The Bible was never part of public education. I didn't put any words into your mouth. You were the one that made the claim, and claimed that it was removed from education. Now if that isn't what you meant, then maybe the real problem we are seeing is your inability to understand the english language, which would make sense at this point
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson You said: "The Bible was never part of public education."
Now I could use your behavior as an example and jump all over you for that statement, and call you a liar, etc. I don't even have to nitpick your statement, its clearly wrong. But, I choose to not jump all over you for that statement. Anyone reading this already knows that your comment is wrong, there is no need to ridicule you for it.
romansten9 1 year ago
@romansten9
It is true. It was never part of public school education. If anyone was teaching it in public schools, then it was against public school policies. You claim you can nitpick that fact, but you can't or you would have. Nice to see you can make empty claims though. Just like your twisting of quotes.
nidodson 1 year ago
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romansten9 3 months ago
@nidodson I'm a woman not a dude. I don't look crazy. Crazy is dismissive. It means you are losing your argument and you need to grab for something. something that will make the other person emotional and when they snap then you can say see I told you so. It is only a cowards tactic. Read your email nidodson I think you'll find your judgment there.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
That is good for you, but I live a very morally sound life, and I don't need to fear a magical mythological being to do that like you do. That is the huge difference between a theist and deist really. It is sad that you get so emotional about this, but it is because you are brainwashed into a thought process that prays on your emotions to weaken you to keep you as part of their cult, which organized religions are cults because of that fact. I feel sorry for you, but it is your life.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson You can't be living a morally sound life with out God. As Peter, a person that can be proved to had known Jesus, said, I do not go off of Myths, but we know because we have seen him and touched him, so I am taking your word for it. Why do attribute such disgusting things like magic with my Lord and Savior, further proof you don't know him and are of the world and not him. I am not emotional you are. I am not brainwashed. You are the weakened one by the adversary.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson You are part of the old man and the old nature and have returned to it. I don't do organized religion, God is not a religion. Wow you said the word fact. Which you don't have any to back up your claim I on the other hand have many facts. I don't feel sorry for a disobedient fool and your right when you said LIFE. I feel sorry for you but it;s your death.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
You follow the bible, therefore are part of an organized religion if you go to a church or not sadly, especially with how strongly you hold onto it. Also, there is no god worth believing in that requires belief in it. No petty god would be worth the title of a god.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson That is a lie. Then smart man what is the name of my religion? I am not part of an organized religion. Do you even know what organized means? No you are just throwing out arguments to buy your time so that you may win this argument. I tell you, you have already lost it. You insult God and things which you pretend to have knowledge of but have none of. So should I take your god's view point that he should be god and has appointed you to be your own lord and savior?
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
This is sad that your level of thinking is so primitive that you really don't get it at all.
Also, what have you lost? Time with family, friends, loved ones that you waste with religion instead. Time excelling your career, skills, improving your self and life with some fluff because it makes you feel good in a shallow way. It is like being a drinker. Filling in shallow holes because you are blind to reality.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson This is sad that your of thinking is so primitive that you really don't get it at all. Also, what have you lost? Time with God, prayer, understanding that you waste your time with things that will take you no where instead. You've spent time excelling your career, skills, improving yourself and life with grandiosities that make you feel better about your sins.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
What 'sins'? That I don't believe in an egotistical god? That is it's problem if it even exists, not mine. I enjoy my career, I wouldn't deny that, but I actually do things to improve the lives of other people. I don't live a selfish life.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson The sin where you deny the Father and blaspheme his Holy name. It's good you don't believe in an egotistical God, for God is not egotistical. Oh HE does exist nidodson, HE does exist. Yes you are a lover of pleasures that is another sin, this is what your career provides. Yes and you boast about your good deeds. That is a sin. You seek my approval and I tell you, you already have your reward. Those who are rich will be made poor and those who are poor will be made rich.
iluvugo 1 year ago
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@nidodson Reasoning within yourself that there is no God and if there is no God then you don't have to face punishment. I tell you, you will face punishment. You will not escape it and you it will not pass you up.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson And you follow Satan so therefore you are apart of the world and it's organized anti-christ ways if you don't believe what is written in the bible, sadly. Especially with how strongly you hold to your beliefs. Also there is no demonic anti-christ worth believing in that it requires belief in it. No petty demonic doctrine of nonfaith would be worth being deemed the truth.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
I follow satan, hell, I am satan. I never had sex with a woman I didn't love. I help out family, friends and strangers whenever I can. I volunteer for my community. I have been the person that has brought solutions to my local and state government for problems that have been used. I love my life, I love helping people and improve the world around me any way possible, yet I am following satan. Exactly.
It is sad that you most likely don't do half of that.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson Works without faith is dead. It is sad that you don't know me and don't know what I do or what I don't do. I don't believe you do half of that either.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
I never even talk about this stuff, because I do it to help other people, not benefit myself or get attention for it. I hate getting attention for something everyone should be willing to do for each other.
I sin because I love my career? That is a blind statement since you don't know why I love my career. I request lower pay to keep more people employed, because I am not in it to get rich. I don't seek approval for my actions. I am just giving you an example of a life without your god.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson Well now that is more to the truth. I was wondering why you put me in a box and basically accused me of all the things you think are a Christian. So I have no knowledge of your life as much as you have no knowledge of my beliefs or why I believe them. And for all my blind statements about you, you like wise made some about me.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson Just because you can't see it now, doesn't mean you won't see it. You are stumbling over it right now. The darkness has covered it. Yet that which you stumble over is that which is mightier than all and is what saves. That is why it is written, "Get up sleeper! Arise from the dead, and the Messiah will shine on you!"
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
The difference is, I can prove my life. You can't prove your mythological being, and if you think you can, it is a psychological trick that fools you into seeing something that didn't really happen. It is common, and not your fault since you are just following the crowd, but reality is far sweeter than fairytales.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson The difference is I can prove my God, but your life will end and come to nothing. You can't prove your non beliefs in your worldly ways and if you think you can then you are psychologically tricked and fooled into a false understanding that leads you down into the pit all the while your eyes are shut and your are dead and have knowledge of nothingness and your arguments are based in nothingness.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
Right there, thank you. You just did prove something, that you really are a complete idiot. I was holding off and giving you a bit of credit still, but you just completely ended any reason to give you any respect at all when it comes to your thought capabilities. It is sad that there are people who are actually incapable of a logical though. What is your IQ anyways? 84?
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson IT's sad you are not only disillusioned by your ego, but you are also a liar. you haven't been considering giving me respect at all. Neither have I foolishly expected it from it. But here, this is my rebuttal. Every mathematical, scientific, and philosophical system has vagueness and contradictions in their principles. Philosophers cannot defend nor define their own criteria of meaning without employing self-defeating arguments.All mathematical and philosophical systems have paradoxes
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson when one pushes to get total clarity of terms one either has to accept (a) some vagueness of terms or (b) accept paradoxes without extremely clear terms. Common sense of human existence means we must accept the contradictions that accompany the complexity of the sense and nonsense of our spiritual environment. Life is full of nonsense that cannot be broken down into logic. The problem with evil is actually a sign that reveals that there are deep issues of life that must be plumbed
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
Just because you are incapable of understanding it doesn't make it impossible to understand. You are clearly incapable of understanding some rather simple things that the average person can understand rather easily. It isn't nonsense, it makes perfect sense, which is exactly why we are able to make predictions about what will happen and they come true. I have no problem admitting people are more intelligent than me, but you clearly have to admit that to most people in the world.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson Why do you think I am incapable of understanding your viewpoint. Yours is simple, No God. What is so hard to understand about that? It is you who are incapable of understanding God. Therefore you have decided there is no God.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson I guess you are saying I am not average, thank you , I take that as a compliment. I never sought to be average. What do predictions have to do with lack of belief? People with belief are quite capable of making predictions without scientific input and they come true also. Infact they are coming true as we speak.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@nidodson No I think you have a lot of problem admitting when you are wrong. You get bitter when someone states themselves as a matter of fact and start attacking the person instead of the argument. Which indicates your ego is bruised. Only because you seek to control others and need them to agree with you.
iluvugo 1 year ago
@iluvugo
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, it happens all of the time with politics, nutrition, the history of WWI and WWII, agriculture, sports and more. It isn't a big deal, but believing in a mythological being is just as silly as believing in a greek god. I started attacking your due to your complete ignorance of reality. It is disgusting that people so detached from reality even exist. You have a twisted view on reality, and it is disgraceful to man kind.
nidodson 1 year ago
@nidodson You have no problem admitting when you are wrong, except when it comes to God, God is not a religion. Religion only means to practice. Do normal citizens practice the laws of the land? No they abide by them. You haven't proven that God is a mythological being, so it is unfair for you even to label him as such. Greek God's have been proven mythological, therefore they have no comparison to my God. No you attacked me because you were unsuccessful at gettin