This film literally changed the way I think about a lot of issues. It showed me we're all human beings. In war and in life, people can do unspeakable things to eachother but at the end of the day, we're all people who have to live with the things we do and things that are done to us. There's no right or wrong, good or bad, winners or losers. One of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
@roddyrod4 Whoah! There's no right or wrong? Lining up civilians next to the river and slaughering them is OK? I think what you're trying to say is that the film helped you to understand how such massacres can happen, and perhaps many of us would act in the same way if placed in a similar situation.
@JohnnyTRex99 Yeah, the same way americans murder civilians in this age. Like aiming for elimentary schools and hospitals, and making tortu- i mean interrogation camps for civilians in Chile, wanting to murder islamic civilians and nuking civilian cities. If it were up to me, id slaughter every american man woman and child, because they like to slaughter every nonamerican man, woman and child so much.
@JohnnyTRex99 You should see the movie "Die Welle", based on something that happened in the US. It explains something similar too. It shows how the human mind can so easily be tricked into thinking in a fascist way.. It's pathetic really, how weak we are. And what we can do to other humans. I've always said, go and kill humans, hurt them, i don't care. Just don't hurt animals! because i really cant stand animal cruelty. But men? Oh we deserve it.. We're the beasts.
@roddyrod4 Great comment, unfortunately judging by some of the other comments on here, they missed the point. Apparently in some people's minds, what the Chinese GOVERNMENT did with regards to Tibet somehow justifies what the Japanese did to innocent Chinese civilians.
@13hehe The Chinese government alows these types of films while censoring films like Kundun to the point of threatening Disney with restrictions to the Chinese market simply for making it. They are hypocrits and should be called on it. This doesn't take away from what the Japanese did, it keeps the same standards for all people, Han and Tibetans alike.
@13hehe Of course it doesn't. But this story needs to be told and told in they dramatic way that this film does. What has and is still happening in western China does not exclude history from being related in this dramatic fashion.
Instead of complaining about truth telling how about encouraging more dramatic truth telling by finding a similar cinematic outlet for the story of what happened in Tibet. But do it in a quality way without being too preachy and it will have a wide impact.
@rmacevoy There have been numerous films that show the events in Tibet during the period of Chinese invasion.The point is that this sort of film, coming from the mainland China CCP controlled film industry and allowed to be viewed freely inside the mainland, is rather hypocritical considering the fact that the same government blocks any films that show the CCP in a negative light.The CCP is using nationalism as a tactic to deflect negative attention from itself, this film is an example
im just saying how many bombs did the talibans drop over their country???? im not saying the soviets or the chinese didnt do anything. they are much worse than you. but saying that the US dont do anything bad is just stupid.
@zneekiii Who said the US has never done anything bad? I didn't. But I will say you are very one sided and easily willing to slide into the anti-America mindset. How many bombs has the Taliban dropped? They are too damned ignorant and backwards to build planes from which to drop anything. They have set off plenty of bombs on the ground, used children as suicide bombers and blown up womens schools. They kill as many civilians as they can, its a method of warfare they prefer.
@zneekiii Raping, really zneekii? You are an idiot. We gain nothing from that backwards country but dead soldiers. That isn't rape last time I checked. otherwise we would be strip mining the country of its resources instead of Chinese companies.
@zneekiii How do I explain 100,000 dead civilians? It really pretty simply zneekii, terrorist groups intentionally kill as many civilians as they can so people like you use it to attack. Its a great tactic due to people like you.
@zneekiii Who started the war in Afghanistan? That would be Al Qaeda and the Taliban that supported them and allowed the to be based in territory they controlled. Iraq, that was all George W, and like many Americans I never supported him at all. You don't think the Taliban would use Apaches if they had the education to build them?
@CAZPERsayz wow. Innocent Chinese civilians in China are still dying TODAY because of bombs buried by the Japanese during that war. What the fuck does Tibet have anything to do with this war?! Grow a brain and a heart.
@13hehe Whats going on in Tibet and Xinjiang isn't directly related to what the Japanese did many years ago. However, there is a hypocrisy to this kind of movie, produced and promoted within mainland china while the government would never, ever allow a film about Tibetans or Uighers from any point of view but a pro-China, nationalist perspective. There is more to these films than simple entertainment.They continue to keep emotions high for more reasons than historical memory and justice.
I'll be far more impressed with Chinese movie makers when they make a movie of the same name about Lhasa in 59. China is far too one sided about its history. What the Japanese did was horrific, but its hard to take a country seriously when it ignores it own negative actions.
@zneekiii Yea right. I watch a steady stream of documentaries picking apart American history every tiem i turn on te History channel or public television. You show me one single nationally televised movie or documentary inside mainland China that shows the Communist party or Mao in a truly negative light. Comparing the two situations makes you look like another apologist of one party dictatorship. You are far from unusual on youtube.
@knoxzoo75 how many times do you americans regreat nuking Japan? or killing hundreds of thousends vietnames civilians? or attacking Irak wich you really has nothing to do with since its on the other side of the earth? fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
@zneekiii So you are going all the way back to WW2 huh? So tell me, since you obviously are highly informed on the situation on the ground in the Japanese theatre during WW2, what you would have done to end the war without using a full scale invasion of Japan? If you are going to attack the actions of the US military during WW2, offer your alternative. How many times did Americans disagree with the Vietnam war? Are you that ignorant?? What was happening in Vietnam was a huge reasons for protests
@knoxzoo75 am just saying all things comming from the US is good. so you say the only way to stop japan was to bomb its civilians? most peoples from the US dont think it was bad to attack Vietnam..... how many protested?? some million perhaps but the other millions thought it was good.
@zneekiii You didn't answer my question on Japan during WW2, you replied with a question. If you are going to use the dropping of the A bombs dring WW2 as an attack against the US then you should be able to offer an alternative. It was either drop the bombs, invade Japan with a massive force that would have led to millions of deaths (look up films of civilian women and children training to fight to the death) or simply give up and let the Japanese win. Whats your answer??
@zneekiii I would also add that since the Chinese and Soviet backed North Vietnamese attacked the South and started the war your issue should be with them. Why do you say the US attacked? They fought back against an invasion, same as Korea. It shows where your mind is that you turn that into some random attack by the US. You are just anti US, period.
they backed them couse they were both kommunists. ask me why did the US care about something that happened on the other side of the world? can you please explain why the US attacked northvietnam and why you attacked afghanistan?
@zneekiii It was the cold war. The Soviets and increasingle the Chinese were spreading Communism actively. The U.S. was involved in Vietnam for the same reason we were involved in South Korea. It was a tug of war that involved your own region as well. If it had been one local, regional group fighting agains another regional local group i would agree that no outside parties should be involved. BUT, it wasn't. If the US didn't care what happened the USSR would have had a free hand.
@zneekiii And why was Afghanistan attacked?? I know you were 19 at the time but you should have known about the 911 attack and the fact that the group behind it was located in Afghanistan, the Taliban protected them and refused to cooperate. I can understand if you don't think countries should involve themselves in other nations affairs, but you don't believe in self defense? And now, if we just leave it will fall apart in a week.BTW, you STILL haven't answerwed my WW2 Japan question.
@knoxzoo75 yeah i know about 911. but come on it was like 20 dudes.... not a hole damn country. i dont know that much about warfare but i am pretty shure there are different ways to end a war that doesnt involve bombing civilians. didn't the US attack irak for that very reason? a operation that costed over 30 000 civilian casuelties.... about 911 you should watch the movie Loose Change. i don't believe the truth about 911 is relieved.
@knoxzoo75 Whoa. I hope nobody reading this seriously thinks that the North Vietnamese attacked the South and started the war. That war was going on even before WWII when Ho Chi Minh was leading the Viet Minh revolt against the French. He fought the Japanese better than the French ever did and than beat the French at Dien Bien Phu. The U.S. agreed to take over fighting him in a deal to get the French to join our European alliance which the French reneged on. This was civil war.
@rmacevoy Now wait a second...you can find plenty of fault with the South Vietnamese government the U.S. backed..but if you look at the situation POST partition, it was the north that began hostile insurgency in the south. Once partition occured, there was a definite push from the northern vietnamese side, backed by the soviets and the prc at different points, to take back the south.
@zneekiii And its quite telling how people like you never, ever bring up the actions of China or the Soviets regarding the Vietnam war. Its as if you live in a world in which only one side holds any responsibility while all opposing forces are automatically justified. Hence your mention of dead civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan without giving the Iraqi terrorists groups or Taliban in Afgh. any mention or blame. If we are going to be blamed for their actions as well, might as well carpet bomb.
@zneekiii You STILL haven't answered. It's ver hard to take someone seriously when all the do is throw out attacks without putting forth an alternative solution that works.Your silence is very telling zneekii.
Yup, Yup... Japan helped Asia by getting rid of Imperialist Europeans because we are much better Imperialist than them. If you don't believe me just watch this video! Asian countries owe their independence to Japan. Now watch how awesome our Imperial soldiers are at rape and civilian killing (you don't just get that good at something unless you've done it a few hundred times)! Long live Emperor Hirohito!
It started off well but sort of got a bit stylistic at the end. I also got the impression that the full horror of Japanese occupation wasn't shown. At least they tried to show that not all Japanese soldiers were sadists.
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for reference purpose, there is a team project uploaded on youtube - what the japan did to china,
Peace!!
matelovelovelove 3 months ago
Also, i looked this movie up and "it's a dramatization of the rape at nanking in 1937" (sic.)
AngelBiLove 7 months ago
This film literally changed the way I think about a lot of issues. It showed me we're all human beings. In war and in life, people can do unspeakable things to eachother but at the end of the day, we're all people who have to live with the things we do and things that are done to us. There's no right or wrong, good or bad, winners or losers. One of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
roddyrod4 7 months ago
@roddyrod4 Whoah! There's no right or wrong? Lining up civilians next to the river and slaughering them is OK? I think what you're trying to say is that the film helped you to understand how such massacres can happen, and perhaps many of us would act in the same way if placed in a similar situation.
JohnnyTRex99 7 months ago
@JohnnyTRex99 Yeah, the same way americans murder civilians in this age. Like aiming for elimentary schools and hospitals, and making tortu- i mean interrogation camps for civilians in Chile, wanting to murder islamic civilians and nuking civilian cities. If it were up to me, id slaughter every american man woman and child, because they like to slaughter every nonamerican man, woman and child so much.
AngelBiLove 7 months ago
@JohnnyTRex99 You should see the movie "Die Welle", based on something that happened in the US. It explains something similar too. It shows how the human mind can so easily be tricked into thinking in a fascist way.. It's pathetic really, how weak we are. And what we can do to other humans. I've always said, go and kill humans, hurt them, i don't care. Just don't hurt animals! because i really cant stand animal cruelty. But men? Oh we deserve it.. We're the beasts.
AngelBiLove 7 months ago
@roddyrod4 Great comment, unfortunately judging by some of the other comments on here, they missed the point. Apparently in some people's minds, what the Chinese GOVERNMENT did with regards to Tibet somehow justifies what the Japanese did to innocent Chinese civilians.
13hehe 5 months ago
@13hehe The Chinese government alows these types of films while censoring films like Kundun to the point of threatening Disney with restrictions to the Chinese market simply for making it. They are hypocrits and should be called on it. This doesn't take away from what the Japanese did, it keeps the same standards for all people, Han and Tibetans alike.
knoxzoo75 5 months ago
@13hehe Of course it doesn't. But this story needs to be told and told in they dramatic way that this film does. What has and is still happening in western China does not exclude history from being related in this dramatic fashion.
Instead of complaining about truth telling how about encouraging more dramatic truth telling by finding a similar cinematic outlet for the story of what happened in Tibet. But do it in a quality way without being too preachy and it will have a wide impact.
rmacevoy 2 months ago
@rmacevoy There have been numerous films that show the events in Tibet during the period of Chinese invasion.The point is that this sort of film, coming from the mainland China CCP controlled film industry and allowed to be viewed freely inside the mainland, is rather hypocritical considering the fact that the same government blocks any films that show the CCP in a negative light.The CCP is using nationalism as a tactic to deflect negative attention from itself, this film is an example
knoxzoo75 2 months ago
im just saying how many bombs did the talibans drop over their country???? im not saying the soviets or the chinese didnt do anything. they are much worse than you. but saying that the US dont do anything bad is just stupid.
zneekiii 8 months ago
@zneekiii Who said the US has never done anything bad? I didn't. But I will say you are very one sided and easily willing to slide into the anti-America mindset. How many bombs has the Taliban dropped? They are too damned ignorant and backwards to build planes from which to drop anything. They have set off plenty of bombs on the ground, used children as suicide bombers and blown up womens schools. They kill as many civilians as they can, its a method of warfare they prefer.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
Is that the soundtrack of Gladiator?
TheBeanLaden 9 months ago
FUCK CHINA ANOTHER HATE THE JAPANESE MOVIE
WHATE ABOUT MAKE A MOVIE OF HOW CHINA IS RAPING TIBET!!
CAZPERsayz 9 months ago
@CAZPERsayz Apparently someone hasn't studied history at all.
b3s13g3d 9 months ago
@b3s13g3d How so? Perhaps you should study a little history yourself.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@CAZPERsayz HOW ABOUT MOVIE OF HOW THE US IS RAPING AFGHANISTAN!!!
zneekiii 8 months ago
@zneekiii Raping, really zneekii? You are an idiot. We gain nothing from that backwards country but dead soldiers. That isn't rape last time I checked. otherwise we would be strip mining the country of its resources instead of Chinese companies.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@knoxzoo75 how do you explain the 100 000+ dead civilians?
zneekiii 8 months ago
@zneekiii How do I explain 100,000 dead civilians? It really pretty simply zneekii, terrorist groups intentionally kill as many civilians as they can so people like you use it to attack. Its a great tactic due to people like you.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@knoxzoo75 who started the war that was the reason of those civilians? the talibans dont carpet bomb. and shoot peoples from apaches.
zneekiii 8 months ago
@zneekiii Who started the war in Afghanistan? That would be Al Qaeda and the Taliban that supported them and allowed the to be based in territory they controlled. Iraq, that was all George W, and like many Americans I never supported him at all. You don't think the Taliban would use Apaches if they had the education to build them?
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@CAZPERsayz wow. Innocent Chinese civilians in China are still dying TODAY because of bombs buried by the Japanese during that war. What the fuck does Tibet have anything to do with this war?! Grow a brain and a heart.
13hehe 5 months ago
@13hehe Whats going on in Tibet and Xinjiang isn't directly related to what the Japanese did many years ago. However, there is a hypocrisy to this kind of movie, produced and promoted within mainland china while the government would never, ever allow a film about Tibetans or Uighers from any point of view but a pro-China, nationalist perspective. There is more to these films than simple entertainment.They continue to keep emotions high for more reasons than historical memory and justice.
knoxzoo75 5 months ago
I'll be far more impressed with Chinese movie makers when they make a movie of the same name about Lhasa in 59. China is far too one sided about its history. What the Japanese did was horrific, but its hard to take a country seriously when it ignores it own negative actions.
knoxzoo75 10 months ago
@knoxzoo75 then why do we take the US serious?
zneekiii 8 months ago
@zneekiii Yea right. I watch a steady stream of documentaries picking apart American history every tiem i turn on te History channel or public television. You show me one single nationally televised movie or documentary inside mainland China that shows the Communist party or Mao in a truly negative light. Comparing the two situations makes you look like another apologist of one party dictatorship. You are far from unusual on youtube.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@knoxzoo75 how many times do you americans regreat nuking Japan? or killing hundreds of thousends vietnames civilians? or attacking Irak wich you really has nothing to do with since its on the other side of the earth? fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
zneekiii 8 months ago
@zneekiii So you are going all the way back to WW2 huh? So tell me, since you obviously are highly informed on the situation on the ground in the Japanese theatre during WW2, what you would have done to end the war without using a full scale invasion of Japan? If you are going to attack the actions of the US military during WW2, offer your alternative. How many times did Americans disagree with the Vietnam war? Are you that ignorant?? What was happening in Vietnam was a huge reasons for protests
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@knoxzoo75 am just saying all things comming from the US is good. so you say the only way to stop japan was to bomb its civilians? most peoples from the US dont think it was bad to attack Vietnam..... how many protested?? some million perhaps but the other millions thought it was good.
zneekiii 8 months ago
@zneekiii You didn't answer my question on Japan during WW2, you replied with a question. If you are going to use the dropping of the A bombs dring WW2 as an attack against the US then you should be able to offer an alternative. It was either drop the bombs, invade Japan with a massive force that would have led to millions of deaths (look up films of civilian women and children training to fight to the death) or simply give up and let the Japanese win. Whats your answer??
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@zneekiii I would also add that since the Chinese and Soviet backed North Vietnamese attacked the South and started the war your issue should be with them. Why do you say the US attacked? They fought back against an invasion, same as Korea. It shows where your mind is that you turn that into some random attack by the US. You are just anti US, period.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
they backed them couse they were both kommunists. ask me why did the US care about something that happened on the other side of the world? can you please explain why the US attacked northvietnam and why you attacked afghanistan?
zneekiii 8 months ago
@zneekiii It was the cold war. The Soviets and increasingle the Chinese were spreading Communism actively. The U.S. was involved in Vietnam for the same reason we were involved in South Korea. It was a tug of war that involved your own region as well. If it had been one local, regional group fighting agains another regional local group i would agree that no outside parties should be involved. BUT, it wasn't. If the US didn't care what happened the USSR would have had a free hand.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@zneekiii And why was Afghanistan attacked?? I know you were 19 at the time but you should have known about the 911 attack and the fact that the group behind it was located in Afghanistan, the Taliban protected them and refused to cooperate. I can understand if you don't think countries should involve themselves in other nations affairs, but you don't believe in self defense? And now, if we just leave it will fall apart in a week.BTW, you STILL haven't answerwed my WW2 Japan question.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@knoxzoo75 yeah i know about 911. but come on it was like 20 dudes.... not a hole damn country. i dont know that much about warfare but i am pretty shure there are different ways to end a war that doesnt involve bombing civilians. didn't the US attack irak for that very reason? a operation that costed over 30 000 civilian casuelties.... about 911 you should watch the movie Loose Change. i don't believe the truth about 911 is relieved.
zneekiii 8 months ago
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@zneekiii You still haven't answered my Japan question. And Loose Change is complete crap.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@zneekiii lol loose change that movie has been debunked for a while that college kid who made is now a millionaire lol
Remington700FTW 8 months ago
@knoxzoo75 Whoa. I hope nobody reading this seriously thinks that the North Vietnamese attacked the South and started the war. That war was going on even before WWII when Ho Chi Minh was leading the Viet Minh revolt against the French. He fought the Japanese better than the French ever did and than beat the French at Dien Bien Phu. The U.S. agreed to take over fighting him in a deal to get the French to join our European alliance which the French reneged on. This was civil war.
rmacevoy 2 months ago
@rmacevoy Now wait a second...you can find plenty of fault with the South Vietnamese government the U.S. backed..but if you look at the situation POST partition, it was the north that began hostile insurgency in the south. Once partition occured, there was a definite push from the northern vietnamese side, backed by the soviets and the prc at different points, to take back the south.
knoxzoo75 2 months ago
@zneekiii And its quite telling how people like you never, ever bring up the actions of China or the Soviets regarding the Vietnam war. Its as if you live in a world in which only one side holds any responsibility while all opposing forces are automatically justified. Hence your mention of dead civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan without giving the Iraqi terrorists groups or Taliban in Afgh. any mention or blame. If we are going to be blamed for their actions as well, might as well carpet bomb.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@zneekiii You STILL haven't answered. It's ver hard to take someone seriously when all the do is throw out attacks without putting forth an alternative solution that works.Your silence is very telling zneekii.
knoxzoo75 8 months ago
@knoxzoo75 maybe you could have attacked japan with soldiers i dont know. but youre saying the only way to end a war is with nukes?
zneekiii 8 months ago
Yup, Yup... Japan helped Asia by getting rid of Imperialist Europeans because we are much better Imperialist than them. If you don't believe me just watch this video! Asian countries owe their independence to Japan. Now watch how awesome our Imperial soldiers are at rape and civilian killing (you don't just get that good at something unless you've done it a few hundred times)! Long live Emperor Hirohito!
paulliiiali 10 months ago
they didnt actualy use this music in this movie, did they ? -.-
TheAzathor 10 months ago
Liu Xiaobo 劉暁波
boiledegg777 11 months ago
It started off well but sort of got a bit stylistic at the end. I also got the impression that the full horror of Japanese occupation wasn't shown. At least they tried to show that not all Japanese soldiers were sadists.
TheDepotCat 1 year ago