BBC...If you think any American news source is reliable for political issues your a fool. You look at BBC v Fox v CNBC and the words used in the titles and articles about the same exact thing...BBC almost always states the facts, and usually nothing more as opposed to CNBC and Fox which blatantly use loaded words and other deceptive writing techniques. BBC allows you to form your own opinions...I guess some people don't like to think though...
While R's can take some credit from removing protections via Glass-Steagall rescind, the Bush admin DID in fact ask for reform to Fannie Mae, to which Barney Frank and other D's gave a resounding "NO!"
What also did not help, was the insistence by D's on increasing regulations that aimed to punish banks for not making "red-line" mortgages. These mortgages eventually get wrapped up into bundles and traded away (can't blame the bank for getting rid of what it KNOWS is toxic).
Archbishop Charles Chaput -- "We make a very serious mistake if we rely on media like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, or MSNBC for reliable news about religion. These news media simply don’t provide trustworthy information about religious faith — and sometimes they can’t provide it, either because of limited resources or because of their own editorial prejudices.”
If you can't believe these sources about religion, then doesn't that color everything they publish?
haha....you guys should get a room....where you can enjoy each others hypocrisy and ignorance in a private, much more intimate setting...haha...pathetic
@GFedFan You mean including the Democrats at Fox as well? Alan Colmes, Juan Williams, Chris Wallace, etc. Even Bill O'Reilly praises Obama and Biden sometimes.
@puttputtking It was a joke dude. Although, Fox News acctually reported the rumors that he wasn't born in the U.S. I heard it on the Daily Show, which often makes fun of Fox (because it's SO easy).
DEC 17, 2010, "Yesterday, a memo leaked from Fox News's managing editor, Bill Sammon, instructing Fox journalists never to report on global warming without IMMEDIATELY questioning the prevailing scientific consensus. It's exactly that kind of false controversy that has shifted public opinion and helped delay real action on global warming from the U.S."
At least Fox News is a Christian network, MSNBC is a liberal, lying, hateful, anti-christian network. Olbermann and Maddow even hate God. Why would anyone listen to lying, liberal atheist who spread lies about God and Christianity? MSNBC is the lier, but then again MSNBC doesn't care about facts, especially when it comes to politics or religion. All the brainwashed MSNBC viewers are probably atheist and hate Christians too.
@puttputtking let me get this straight..in your view, as long as the newscast mentions your God it makes them legitimate?....and because of that, all the lies and right wing propaganda bull shit that Faux News spews out at the lemmings like you who believe them is somehow instantly justified...simply because they pretend to think like you or pretend to believe in the same God you believe in?...wow..you couldn't possibly be more simple and closed minded...which, is typical for Fox News viewers
@johnny2366 Yeah and you couldn't be so close-minded and believe that all the lies Olbermann, Maddow, and O'Donnell and all the other anti-god people say at MSNBC is true. That's typical. That perfectly describes the MSNBC viewer. As long as MSNBC lies for them for their personal view, it's true to them. MSNBC is really the ones that have close-minded viewers! Especially when they fall for MSNBC's lies about God and Christianity, which you probably hate God and Christians anyway too.
@puttputtking wow...for a so called " Christian"...you sure do make alot of assumptions and judgments don't you?....no my friend, I am not an "msnbc viewer"..I watch everything which is what originally made me see the propaganda machine for the "reich wing" that Fox News is in reality...as for your oh so christian like assumption that I hate God and Christians...wrong again...I am an atheist but I hate no one....unlike you, the so called christian apparently does
@johnny2366 That's a laugh. Christians are known to be loving and caring. An atheist well all I see come out of them is hate, so sorry my friend you FAIL again!
@puttputtking nonsense...you're just talking shit that you THINK is true....go look at the videos of the Tea Bagger rallys...they are filled with so called "Christians" spewing hate in nearly every one of them...I know you desperately want to be right but the more you talk the more you show yourself to be just another Faux News lemming who believes that the lies told to you there every night are truth...so, its you who continues to fail.. I've no doubt you'll reply to this and fail yet again
@johnny2366 You just think I'm failing because I don't agree with you and at least tea party people are better known than you coffee baggers. Christians don't spew hate, they show love, compassion and understanding. Disagree with me and it will just prove that you're failing to see the truth from what MSNBC is telling you. If you believe what MSNBC says, it's you my friend who is really failing. Why are you talking hate about Christians, do you hate Christians like Olbermann and Maddow?
@puttputtking no, I think you're failing because you offer your opinion as fact when it is anything but...which is typical of the average Faux News viewer...Like I said, I know you want to be right....but there are way too many videos of so called Christians at Tea Bagger rallies spewing hate dude...regardless of how much you want to deny it..and like I also told you before, I dont hate anyone...you're little more than a Fix News shill who believes everything you see there..that's clear
@johnny2366 I know you're failing because you're becoming a MSNBC Noise shield yourself. The definition of a christian is loving, caring, visiting sick, healing sick, praying for people who need prayers, baptizing them to help them come closer to Christ. Now what do you atheists coffeebaggers have to protect you? Nothing! See another reason why you fail is you fail to except God as real, but I wouldn't expect an atheist coffeebagger to be smart anyway. They always twist facts anyway.
@puttputtking at least I admit to myself what I am....you pretend to be a Christian while at the same time calling people names and sitting in judgment of them which a true christian isn't supposed to do....that's the thing about you so called Christians....everything is a sin unless its you doing it...but I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone that the person who watches the fake news channel is also a fake Christian
@johnny2366 MSNBC is a fake Christian network! Have they ever bashed Christians or lied about religion? No! Has MSNBC? Yes! MSNBC Noise, anti-christian channel.
@puttputtking haha....you're like a child who keeps talking even after he's been corrected....now try to pay attention...no one cares about their religious beliefs...if I want religion I'll go to church...you're the one who keeps bringing religion into this...this is about news not religion...
@puttputtking The most puzzling thing about Fox News is that even while getting caught time and time again skewing video and audio clips....even while publicly donating millions to the Republican party.. and all but writing a mission statement declaring their loyalty to the Republican Party..people like you still think that network is where the " truth" is found...the Fox News viewer is never interested in truth...its like minded rhetoric they seek...nothing more...and they know where to get it
@johnny2366 Well let's see I guess it is all lies, even when they let Democrats talk as well. Do you know that Alan Colmes, Juan Williams, Chris Wallace and a lot of other people are Democrats. They have their say and sometimes they criticize Republicans as well. Fox is not as bias as people think. I mean they have democrats on their as well. I just named three of them for you. Also, I know you said you aren't a viewer, but it would seem like an MSNBC viewer is not interested in the truth.
@puttputtking Actually, when Fox News went away from just a conservative network and turned into the propaganda machine it is now Colmes left his show and is now only a contributor and Juan Williams is only there because NPR fired him. Chris Wallace, I'll give you that one..he is the closest thing to a real journalist that Fox has....MSNBC has a former Republican Congressman who actually has a show on their network in Joe Scarborough...you're comparing apples to oranges..
@johnny2366 Well if Greta is a liberal, then what about Greta she's a journalist herself and I know Joe is a former Republican Congressman, but that is like the only conservative they have. Everybody else there is a liberal.
Respond to this video...yeah...and that makes Joe one more person of the opposite side than Fix has doesnt it?...look, denying that Fox is nothing more than a Reich wing propaganda machine is like denying the sun is hot..Fox themselves have all but publicly stated that's what they are...so to defend them as if they were a legitimate news org. only shows that you believe what you want...regardless of what the facts show
@johnny2366 Yeah and Colmes, Williams, and Wallace make it clear that MSNBC Noise is more unbalanced theirself. Denying that MSNBC is not a liberal propaganda is the biggest lie anyone has tried to ever say. Why don't you go watch your lying news shows where Olbermann and Maddow will try to tell you there is no God. You're foolish enough to believe them anyway. Like I said, all you atheist coffeebagging MSNBC Noise fans just twist the facts. You don't care about the real facts.
@puttputtking you're a pathetic excuse for a Christian...my mother is a Christian and she'd be ashamed to associate with someone who talks to others the way you do while trying to pretend to be a Christian...Fake News....for a fake Christian....you and Fix News make a perfect pair dont you....dont bother replying anymore..seriously, you've shown yourself to be such a hypocrite and fake Christian that I really don't have any respect for whatever your opinion is about anything
@johnny2366 Too bad your mother turned you into a fake Christian. I have done everything to associate myself with God. Who's the one going to heaven when they die? Me! Who's going to he** for not believing in God? You!
@puttputtking haha...again you dont understand....Im not a fake Christian Im an atheist...a fake Christian is you...someone who pretends and says they are aChristian...but acts and talks like anything but....and Im not going to hell because just like santa clause and the easter bunny...hell doesnt exist
@johnny2366 A fake Christian? You should see my church record? Or would you believe it's a lie like your MSNBC Noise people make? Also, he** does exist, you will be sorry on judgment day son!
@johnny2366 Fake News for a Fake Christian. You and that fake MSNBC Noise Channel make a great pair! Don't you? Besides, as an atheist your opinion counts, you're a pathetic excuse for the son of a Christian, who was probably an atheist when they were born as well.
@puttputtking aahh..theres that good christian coming out of you again...calling names and making judgment of those you dont know.....how God like of you....you're a fucking fake douche bag...its ignorant people who act like you..pretending to be all holier than thou and shit while at the same time behaving like a child that gives religion a bad name..now go watch your real god ( Glenn Beck) and stop presented yourself as a christian...you're shaming the religion you pretend to be a part of
@johnny2366 It's not my fault you're a fuc*ing fake douche bag. It's obvious to see why people like you are igniorant, because you listen to your atheist buddies Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow and think everything they say is the honest truth. Well wake up and smell the coffee, it isn't, you know I thought of you to be reasonable at first, but then you come and get all nasty, I should have known atheists like you have no respect for us Christians when we don't agree with your views!
@puttputtking hahahaha....YOU'RE the one pretending to be a Christian...I've been real about what I am from the start....Ive said several times that I hate no one but you can't accept the fact that I simply disagree with you...I dont respect people based on their religion...so no, I dont respect a "christian" just because they are one...nor do I not respect them because of their religion..I disrespect you because you are only a christian in claim...you're behavior is anything but christian like
@johnny2366 Maybe it's not Christian like, but a Christian has to stick up for what they believe in! I am doing just that. Sometimes a Christian has to be firm, when they're accused of being called a fake Christian, or getting God or other people of their religion bashed. I'm sure if someone put down atheism, you woul defend it, since you are. Am I right? Fine disrespect me, but remember God told us to love not hate, and I don't hate unless someone brings hate upon me. That is what you did.
@puttputtking actually no, I don't put down anyone for their religious beliefs...unlike you...even in this debate you and I have been having Ive not said anything negative about Christians....Ive called you a fake christian and that's because you show yourself to be one bt you've not seen me say anything negative about the religion itself....so once again you fail miserably...
@johnny2366 Yeah you did say something negative, you said to me in your first reply, "Your God" saying he's not yours, as in you don't believe in him, which is sad because we are all God's children he loves all of us. Even if you don't believe in him remember that. So once again you failed miserably, because you did say something about religion, when you said "Your God" to me, but let me tell you, not just my God, EVERYONE'S GOD!
@puttputtking haha...you're reaching dude seriously...just because I don't believe in something you believe in doesn't mean Ive said something bad about it. I dont believe in your God...or anyones god for that matter...I know alot of people do and for them that's great...I dont look down on them or think anything bad of them for it....I only look down on people who call themselves christians but behave like anything but a christian...you know, like you
@johnny2366 Well I'm sorry if I've acted like anything but a Christian to you, but if somebody says something that they think, they need to stick up and say something about it. Regardless if it's religion, politics anything. I've been trying to tell you what a christian believes to show you that I am not a fake Christian, like I think I am. What else am I going to do to have to convince to you that I am a real Christian. I love God.
@puttputtking It's one thing to stick up for what you believe in...It's another thing to call people names and judge them just because they don't believe what you believe....you don't have to prove you are a Christian to me...that's between you and your God....but what you have been doing here are things that Christians don't do...I'm not saying you shouldn't be a Christian...I'm just saying if you are going to stand on the Christian pulpit...you have to behave as a Christian... that's all
@johnny2366 Hey, the way it is with me, is that I clearly am a nice guy, I try to be nice to everybody, I usually am unless somebody makes me mad, then that's when I lose my temper and can sometimes get hateful, and hey that is a problem I have and I have been asking God to please make me a better person when I get angry and try to be more patient, but to do that I would also have to stick up for my Christian believes too. I got to be fair on both sides.
@puttputtking your first mistake...thinking I care what someone who pretends to be a serious member of a religious organization thinks...perhaps if your behavior matched the level of Christianity that your words try and convince everyone you are at it would matter... that isnt the case with you...instead you call yourself a christian..just before calling people you dont know names and judging them...you're a phony...bottom line..and you're proving it in front of everyone who reads you here
@johnny2366 No, what I am proving is that Christians have the right to judge when they feel like theirself, their religion, or God is being put down. Oh yeah I'm a phony, I guess that's why I got baptized at 13. Satan tries to keep you waiting to get baptized, some of my friends waited until they were 14, 15, even 16 to get baptized. I did it at 13. I was ready then. Also, not only is it a blessing to you and your family, but it's a blessing to everyone in the Church.
@johnny2366 Do you want to know why? Because, the church now will have a new brother/sister in Christ, in my case it was a new brother for them in Christ. You may think I'm not showing my values, but I am merely sticking up for what I believe in and for myself, other religious people or God. As long as you put them down, you're going to hear them being defended by me. Remember what I said, I thought you were a reasonable person at first, but I should have known, you're like all other atheists.
@johnny2366 Filled with hate when you don't agree with a christian's opinions! You wonder why you don't get a lot of respect, because of the way you treat us Christians and the way we believe things sometimes, it's not the same way you think, so in your opinion we're stupid for thinking something different than you atheists!
@puttputtking you do realize that everything you just said describes how you have behaved here, not me....right?...YOU'RE the one who has chastised my religious viewpoints and made assumptions and judgments about me when you have no idea what you're talking about...you've not seen me do that..Ive said YOU are a fake christian but Ive not said one word about the religion...seriously...you've failed miserably in your attempt to do whatever it is you're trying to do in this " debate"....let it go
@johnny2366 You are making judgments about me as well, saying I am a fake Christian, when you don't even know anything about me, and no I won't let it go, ever since you said "your god" to me, that was insulting. How can you not know it's everyone's God? So in other words, maybe you haven't said anything about the religion, but you tried to say God is not everybody's God and that is simply not true. He is everyone's God! I think if your mother is a Christian, she would agree with me on that.
@puttputtking haha...you think its your place to decide for everyone who their god should be?....you dont seriously believe that do you?...If so you're even more of a fake christian than I thought you were...
@johnny2366 I truly believe he is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. No, I know I can't decide that for everyone. I just don't think it's fair, for people like Olbermann and Maddow to be talking bad about Christianity. They don't have any right to be talking bad about religion either. I mean as long as religion is not belng lied about, or being dissed we won't have to defend our religion to anybody.
@puttputtking actually I watch them both all the time and I never see them making fun of Christianity...yes, they make fun of the extremists who make a mockery out of the religion...but again that is them making fun of a human...not a religion...If it's someone who makes fun of religion in general that you're looking for then look no further than Bill Maher....I am an atheist and even I think he goes too far....I love his political viewpoint but disagree totally with his views on religion
@johnny2366 I admit I haven't been acting like the Christian way, but since we're talking more calmly, I think I can say yes I can try to be more kind to prove that I am a Christian and also show the Christian values and what we represent. When I said they make fun of the extremists and the religion, maybe not so much the religion, but I think Keith was having fun with it once, but then again he might have been making fun of an extremist to.
@johnny2366 I haven't watched the video in a while. If you want to know what I'm talking, look for the video on here call "Keith Olbermann owns Christianity" and you'll see what I'm talking about. Bill Maher? Oh yeah, I disagree with him 100%.On his political viewpoints and his views on religion. I have watched videos on him on here, put down religion and I understand he has his viewpoint, but he can't respect the views of the people that believe a religion?
@puttputtking well..I just don't allow religious belief to define people for me...I don't watch Keith Olbermann for his religious beliefs, I watch him for the political commentary and news..If it was religion I wanted to see then I would turn to the shows that offer that...Now, if he came on and slammed religion or whatever every night I would grow tired of it for 2 reasons..1, I don't believe in chastising people for their beliefs regardless of what they are and 2, it would bore me to be honest
@johnny2366 Well yeah, he doesn't every night, I was just pointing out to what I heard and what video I saw of him making fun of the Christianity, and Maddow making fun of Christians and saying there was no God. I mean, did she show proof or did you just say that, because that's what she believes? I'm just telling you what I heard and from what I heard I never heard if she presented any evidence or just said cause that's what she believes? I just heard that she did say there was no God.
@puttputtking I dont doubt it if she has publicly stated that she is an atheist...but that's a far cry from "making fun of Christianity"....and as I said before I don't watch political commentary news programs to get religion...I watch them for the political content...
@johnny2366 Well honestly I haven't seen Rachel making fun of Christianity, but sometimes I only watch videos of her on youtube, if I see something that talks about a Christian or some kind of religion to see what they have to say. I don't think anybody wantches news networks to get religious views. I'm sure everybody watches for political content. I was just pointing out to you, what I've seen and what I've heard from other videos or people here on youtube.
@johnny2366 One thing that does make me happy to hear you say is that, you are an atheist and even you think he goes too far. That also makes me respect you more as well. Yes, Bill Maher is pretty bad about religion, there are even sometimes where I will only be able to watch half or maybe even just a quarter of the video, before I quit watching it, because I only watch what I can of him and his bashing on Religion before I get too disgusted with him.
@puttputtking one mistake that Christians always make is thinking that atheist means we hate god and all Christians...when in reality we couldn't hate god because we simply don't believe such an entity exists..do I think my mother wastes a great deal of time and energy believing in what I consider to be a myth or ghost story?...of course I do..but I would never try and take it away from her...she believes what she believes and if that helps her get through the day then I'm good with it
@johnny2366 True, on that video I told you about it saying Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddiw hating God, I remember one of the comments said "They can't hate him, he/she/it doesn't exist." Of course I didn't agree with that comment of course. Of course you would let your mother believe what she wants to, because why have a debate with someone in your family, especially if they raised you and gave you life.
@puttputtking lol..well, it isn't my decision to make about what my mother believes just like it isn't my decision to make about what anyone believes...even Keith and Rachel...lol
@johnny2366 That is true, like I most likely believe everything your mom does, since we're both Christians. Like I said, I just get offended if people talk bad about Christians or our religion or somehow, or making fun of it. About the Christianity part, I haven't seen anything where's Rachel made fun of it, the only reason I found something on it, was because a video was titled "Keith Olbermann owns Christianity." He may not be making fun of it, but he made a stupid statement in the video.
@puttputtking yeah, they dont do that...I watch them both every night and Ive never seen them make fun of Christianity...the problem is, and has been for a few years now,..Fox News tells lies on a daily basis to their viewers and that's been proven time and time again...its how christians hear things like that..and how they learn nonsense like " atheists hate God" and all that garbage...but Fox viewers tend to watch nothing but Fox...so they never really learn the truth, sadly
@johnny2366 Really if they don't do that, then why have I seen videos on here doing that? MSNBC tells lies on a daily basis to their viewers and it has also been proven by a couple videos on here too. MSNBC is no better. You act like MSNBC is just the perfect little network with no lies. Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy world if you think that. It's why atheists think Christians are so stupid, because they both hate God. It's a fact.
@puttputtking aahh there's that good ole "Christian" coming out of you again..making assumptions about people you don't know and making up lies about an entire group of people...none of which you know...all atheists " hate god" huh?...do you also think all African Americans like watermelon and all Irish people are drunks too?...or do you try to keep your stereotyping to atheists only?...you're looking really bad with the crap you're saying you know?
@johnny2366 No, but many atheists have told me they hate God and they think religion is just for delusional people, so tell me do you like stereotyping all christians to make them look bad, my guess is you do. You're mother would not be proud of you, if she saw what you were doing to a fellow Christian. Also, of course all atheists, that's what an atheist is, someone who doesn't believe in god. Your question about African American and Irish people, what a dumb accusation.
@puttputtking haha right...Im sure you have so many atheists friends who give you insight on how they believe...as if they are a race ethnic group....lol...you're full of shit dude, seriously...reply if you want but Ive seen all I need to see from you....your depth of ignorance is clearly unmeasurable..good luck to you : )
@johnny2366 I'm full of shi*? Oh sure, You don't think they are a race ethnic group? Wow! You are an idiot! Seriously, I need to see why I've seen from you your ignorance, arrogance and stupidity. Also you're the stupid one because I have a GPA with honors, so you clearly are the moron of this conversation and you have proved it. Good luck to you. You'll get smarter in the future, if you quit watching MSNBC, that's clearly what's made you dumb. MSNBC has officially posioned your mind!
@puttputtking I'm going to put it this way many videos and websites prove FOX NEWS lies. You still are getting your comments out and still no matter how educated you are, you are a dumbass when it comes to commonsense!
@carnypimp Sorry but if you believe that MSNBC tells the truth, you are a dumba** when it comes to common sense! Also, you think religion is a big lie too, that is another way to prove you are a dumba** to common sense! If you had a brain, you might know the truth from fiction, but I would except liberal atheists like you to twist facts and make it sound better for you. Get an education sweetie!
@carnypimp Many videos and websites also prove that MSNBC lies! Like I said, if you believe MSNBC is so honest, then yeah you are a dumba**! If you watch MSNBC it's obvious that you're a dumb atheist, because the majority of MSNBC news people are atheist! Olbermann, Maddow, O'Donnell, Schultz. Call me an idiot if you want to, but I know it's true, lots of people have said it.
@carnypimp They were showing a video of a man with an assault rifle on his back, and said he was a gun-toting rascist white man at a tea party. Fox news showed the same video, but kept showing it until you saw that the man was BLACK. So, who I ask you is the liar and who is the enlightener? Or when Rachel Maddow apologizing for lies she said about Rush didnt do it because she was backed in the corner looking at a libel suit.
@carnypimp Or the one time that David Shuster admitted that racially charged quotes he and other hosts attributed to Rush Limbaugh were made up LIES :
“MSNBC attributed that quote to a football player who was opposed to Limbaugh’s NFL bid. However, we have been unable to verify that quote independently.”
There are three examples of how they have lied right there.
See they do tell lies! I just told you three lies they have told!
@puttputtking CSPAN is the only real government channel. I would rather see lies from Msnbc taking about that cheap greedy GOP then a bunch of lies that fuels racist white/black peoples anger towards Obama. If he gets hurt I hope the government goes online and put everyone of these people who call obama the N word in prison!
@carnypimp Once again it's not racist. It's disagreement! Why is everyone that disagree with Obama racist to you guys? You guys always jump to conclusions, just like your beloved MSNBC! I would rather watch Fox than watching a bunch of cheap greedy Liberals telling a bunch of lies that fueld racist white/black people anger towards Republican and trying to lie to the viewers by telling them God isn't real. How stupid do they think we are?
@puttputtking haha..oh ok..so when people assume that you dont like Obama because of race..its jumping to conclusions...but when you've said on numerous occasions here that all atheists "hate" God...that isnt you jumping to conclusions?...haha....okie dokie
@johnny2366 Well think about it johnnyboy. If you disagree with something he's doing you get accused of being a racist!!! Also, yes all atheists hate God, that's why they're called atheists, because they don't believe in him. Make sense now?
@puttputtking what makes sense is the incredible depth of your ignorance..you just, in one paragraph, showed yourself to be a complete hypocrite....and then wrapped the paragraph up with the typical " do you get it now" cliche as if you've just explained something vast to someone ....I wont even get back into how completely and totally misinformed you are about what an atheist actually is...but then again you're a Fox News watcher....so,misinformed is all you know .. thats no surprise
@johnny2366 People who call people ignorant are usually the ones who are ignorant and the ones who are hypocrites, but then you're an MSNBC watcher and they accuse people of their own problems, but then again a typical MSNBC viewer can't take responsibility for their own problems, so I'm not surprised your blaming your problems on me, there's that hateful atheism coming out of you.
@puttputtking give it up dude....you're babbling the same bull shit over and over and making less sense every time....face it...you were seen here for what you really are which is a hypocrite who is full of ignorance and hate and cant accept anything from anyone unless its exactly the same as how you think....in short...you're a typical republican, fake christian fanatic who uses religion to try and make your case...you know...just like Fox News
@johnny2366 I think you're the one who gives it up dude. You need to face it. You are seen here for what you really are. An arrogant, pompous, full of ignroance, dumba** who can't accept reality from facts. In case you are a typical democrat, a self-hating anti-Christian piece of shi* who uses atheism to defend himself from hateful Christians, who gets his facts based on lies, just like MSNBC!
@puttputtking You're not helping your creditibility. I've just read two of your comments. My first thought: trolololololol. Second thought: Troll alert! thrid thought: This really isn't the place for hate speech. Seriously, you're simply flaming a regular person, MSNBC, liberals, and the Democratic Party with no factual evidence. (Troll Alert!!!) Not to mention, you just reworded the exact same things for two comments. What a waste of space. Learn how to debate, then we'll talk.
@GFedFan Really? When I see your poll? Troll Alert!!! Second thought: Another misinformed person to educate. Third thought: Oh boy, another airheaded MSNBC sheep just like johnny. At least I provided facts and I have proved my thoughts. Also, why aren't you getting on johnny for the hate? He is hating too, but then again you must be his brother or something to defend his hate speech. I have debated people and I have made people give up, because I have won. You want to debate. Fine.
@puttputtking Reading your comment: meaningless insult (trolling), meaningless insult, I don't even watch MSNBC, meaningless insult, I didn't read your debate only the first two comments I saw and made a judgement upon said two comments, I don't even know johnny, so have I, an invitation to a debate. After what you've just said to me? That doesn't give me a good impression of what it'll be like.
@GFedFan I have been to debates where insults are yelled at politicans on the opposite side since 2006. This year one person even tried to pretend being a republican, so they could yell racist things and make things look like the republican supporters were racist, when it was seen that they were cheering on the democrat. So I have seen really dirty tactics by you guys and that is why I can see through some of your democratic dirty schemes.
@puttputtking I don't care what others do, in my opinion there is absolutely no room for insults in politics. I believe politics should be civil. I've seen dirty tactics from Republicans too. Have you ever seen the picture of Obama with the Hitler mustache photoshop'd on it? (You guys are good at photoshop) I like to call that Republican Propaganda.
@GFedFan Well yeah both parties are to blame for stuff. I will say that, I have also seen people paint both Obama and Palin as clowns. So I would say both parties are pretty good at photoshop or at least anti Obama and Palin people.
@puttputtking If you're ready to have a civil debate, here are my terms:
#1: no insults. There's no room for them in politics.
#2: No profanity. same as above
#3: no mentioning of MSNBC. Heard enough about how terrible MSNBC is out of you.
#4: No mention of religion. Religion and politics are two compeltely seperate entities. Do not bring up religion, whether Christian, Atheist, Jewish, Muslim, or Shinto as a reason for anything.
@puttputtking I'm sorry johnny insulted you. People can be rude like that. I have a more philosophical view on life. Be it a pecimistic one, but that's actually the way life and the human race works. I have no intention of acting like Johnny. Everything I say or do is based on factual research done by myself. I prefer facts. Although, I've heard about MSNBC from every Republican that wants to defend Fox. I truthfully don't care seeing as I don't watch it.
@GFedFan Well like when I see people insult Fox on videos I mention MSNBC to let the liberals know that they hate Fox yet they love MSNBC (vice-versa with Republicans) and although I see more Fox bashing videos than MSNBC, I do that to remind them that they're MSNBC network isn't so innocent either. They're just as bad as Fox News. So if they want to point out lies from Fox News why not do some from MSNBC as well.
@puttputtking you're trying to create a false equivalency...does msnbc make mistakes?..of course they do...but Fox News is a known propaganda machine for the right..they no longer even try to hide it...as evidenced by them donating to the Republican Governors Association this year..twice...not an individual employee of Fox donated...but NewsCorp itself ( the company that owns Fox news)donated the money...trying to compare Fox to msnbc is apples to oranges and anyone with half a brain knows that
@johnny2366 And you're saying that MSNBC isn't a known propaganda machine for the right? That's laughable. They don't even have to hide theirs and at least nobody gets fired for secretly trying to donated money and get suspended for it. hint hint: Olbermann. Anyone with half a brain can see that MSNBC is no better than Fox and anyone with half a brain knows that.
@puttputtking see, this is what I mean about you..you're simple ass has been told why he was suspended 3 different times now...but since that reason actually makes Fox look bad for not having the same kind of policy on donations as MSNBC...then you don't want to acknowledge it..and that willingness to turn your head away from the facts like they don't exist..and instead just rambling the same bull shit over and over makes it so that you have no credibility..what can I tell ya..it is what it is
@johnny2366 This is what has been sad about your simple butt, I send you facts and you say they're all lies, because you can't stand the fact that your precious MSNBC lied. Time for you to get a room with Maddow. You might enjoy throwing your lies to each other.
@puttputtking see?...reapeating my insults again..I should rent them to you...haha...but, it's like you can't read....maybe if I type it bigger you'll understand...BLOGGERS AND RIGHT WING ONLINE PUBLICATIONS ARE OPINIONS...NOT FACTS....get it that time?..or do I need to type it a little slower for you too?
@johnny2366 See? You just said all of them right wing blogs, because you can't accept facts. That's why I am laughing at your dumb attacks, because even if something was said on all the news stations, you would claim they were all lies, because you think your little party is so innocent, well your wrong and you will get that smacked in your face one day!
@puttputtking I don't know. Quite frankly, MSNBC and Fox can both go hide in their biased corners. I prefer the other networks anyway. You also appear to be right in another instance. Conversvatives, so far, have been easier to get along with than liberals. I can be sarcastic and witty. I can be insulting and rude, but I know the time and the place for that. I also know that politics isn't the place for that. I'm also much more open-minded than my like-minded colleagues. That's just the humanway
@GFedFan Yeah with me, the thing is I can be nice to people when their nice to me. People like you, but unless someone tries to insult me and tries to make me out to be an idiot like Johnny then I have to fight back to prove that the person probably calling me the idiot is the one who calls them one in the first place. By the way, I don't always watch Fox all the time. Sometimes I watch NBC, CBS. Yes I argue about MSNBC, but IMO, even NBC is better than MSNBC even if they are the same network.
@puttputtking MSNBC is owned by Microsoft, and it is acctually a seperate entity from NBC. Do you ever watch CNN? I technically watch CNN:HLN (headline news). It's channel 17 on Comcast cable.
@GFedFan I barely ever watch CNN. There's not really any show on there for me to get interested into. I do watch it if it's on in a restaurant I go into. They always usually have it on Headline News, or CBS if there is a football game on. It's usally the weekends I go there, so it's usually that business show I see on there on the weekends when I go in the restaurant that they usually have it on. I have Newwave Communications for my cable news and CNN for me is channel 47.
@puttputtking Possibly because Fox News is more famous for being biased than MSNBC. Maybe if you guys took the time to show any examples of MSNBC lieing or stretching the truth, then they'd become famous propaganda machines too.
@GFedFan Well I did show some sites to Johnny and I think he refused to see them because he refused to see any lies they said. I sent about three or four sites. Look for it and try to look it up. If you can't find it. I'll resend it to you so you can check it out.
@GFedFan Well I did present some sites to Johnny and he refused to look at them and say they are all lies. I didn't send any from just one site, but about three or four sites. You can look through past comments if you're interested in looking at the stories, if you can't find, I'll be happy to resend it and you can take a look at them if you want.
@puttputtking all right wing rags....everything you mentioned is a right wing rag....maybe you dont understand what that means....do you not understand the difference between a legitimate news org. and politically slanted publication?...obviously not
@johnny2366 Oh, so like all 10 of them were right wing rags? Ha, I knew you would say they were all right wing rags, because you can't accept facts, you're just a born innocent hypocrite, who can't accept when they're people do something wrong. What's wrong? Upset that I found about five things that you're little MSNBC lied upon.
@puttputtking yes, they are...look at them dude..there are no legitimate news organizations in anything you've listed....haha...nothings wrong with me...you've proved nothing, other than you're really good at finding peoples opinions online and trying to present them as facts....
@johnny2366 Really, if they are just opinions of people, then your MSNBC Noise station is nothing but an opinionated news site yourself! Nice try, but your news station is no angel either, so you can stop treating it like it is!
@johnny2366 Well yes, but my whole point mentioning MSNBC is that, MSNBC isn't exactly an honest network, so why don't they show the same criticism for MSNBC as they do for Fox. I would suppose maybe because more democrats have accounts on youtube than republicans do. That's just my guess.
@puttputtking lol..no, it has nothing to do with democrats having more interest in youtube than repugs...you see?..you're looking for any reason you can find to toss out there that shows MSNBC to be as phony as Fox..the reason you have to look so hard is because they simply are not the same...yes, I'm sure you can find an obscure vid here and there of an MSNBC mistake,,,but the evidence comes against Fox continuously ...its a false equivalency..bottom line
@johnny2366 Well yes, but like I keep saying the reason I keep doing that is that people that criticize Fox shows or Fox News they praise MSNBC shows. Vice-versa. Same with the people who hate MSNBC and praise Fox, but my point that I'm trying to make is, if they're going to bash Fox and talk about how its a false equivalencey...lets be fair and say that MSNBC is too. Neither one is 100% honest, but then again what news stations are 100% honest?
@puttputtking lol...the false equivalency IS the act of comparing Fox to MSNBC.....you're right,to an extent, but the fundamental difference ( or false equivalency )...is that Fox does it purposefully and to such a higher extent than any other network that you cant really compare them..but, you wont have to worry about Olbermann anymore....he did his last show last night...
@johnny2366 Well yes I know I won't have to worry about Olbermann anymore thank goodness. That's one less liberal to worry about spreading their lies about MSNBC, but Maddow is just as bad, and she'll keep exposing her lies which will keep Olbermann and all the MSNBC people proud. Really can't compare it to any other network? Well about a year ago I talked to someone online and they did say that they think MSNBC, Fox and CNBC are all biased and CNN is the closest you would get to real news.
@puttputtking yeah that's the difference though...you get your info from , in your own words, " someone you talked to online".... and right wing bloggers....I tend to stick to facts rather than opinions..a personal choice I guess but I'd rather be correctly informed rather than just told what I want to hear...which, no offense to you personally, but that's clearly what you do....you listen only to those who think like you and say what you want to hear
@johnny2366 You know that MSNBC is a left wing blogger? Also what facts have MSNBC given? All I hear them spread is lies and this person I talked to was an independent. He thinks both parties are full of crap. He thinks a third party needs to jump in. We didn't agree on everything, but we respected each other's opinions. Sorry, but you know MSNBC doesn't exactly give facts (I assume that's who you're talking about.)
@puttputtking again, just because someone online says something doesn't mean its true... is this the first political debate you have been in online?...the first thing everyone says online is " I don't lean one way or the other...I think they all suck."..they say that just before they proceed to argue for or against one side.. I gave you the links to go see where Beck himself says not to believe him...gave you the link to go see Oreilly say Fox was nothing more than opinion..what can I tell ya
@johnny2366 No, I have been on many debates online, but this is the first one I have reached on where the name calling has stopped and we can talk calmly now. He did say that CNN was the closest to honest news he could get. Much better than Fox, MSNBC and CNBC. Once again, I don't see how CNBC can be biased though. I didn't say anything to him about that though. I found the link you were talking, I didn't see Beck exactly say don't believe him and I didn't find the O'reilly part either.
@puttputtking you want the perfect example of what Fox does...type " sean hannity caught in a blatant lie" into your youtube search and watch what hannity does with Obamas comments about the insurance execs......this is what they do on a daily basis...of course, if you don't watch anything other than Fox news you never see it...but there it is...
@johnny2366 Well if you don't believe what I said even after I sent links to you and it came from many other sites not just newsbusters, then I guess you'll just say they are all conservative sites and they are all lies. This is what MSNBC also only does on a daily basis, but of course if you don't watch MSNBC you don't ever see it yourself...but there it is also for you to see. It's there very wide and clear. Open your eyes wide!!!
@johnny2366 Of course I can always look it up again though, but if Beck did say not to believe him, why would he talk about stuff like this on his own show? Trust me I've heard he's no conservative. He bashed Bush when he was on CNN and now Obama on Fox. Beck is not a republican. He and O'Reilly are independents. For instance, I think O'Reilly said he was against the dealth penalty.
@puttputtking the Beck interviews were Forbes magazine April 2010...type that in your browser and its the first thing that comes up....Oreilly said his deal about them all being nothing more than "opinion guys" on fox to Bill Maher on his hbo show " real time"...and we wont even get into the hypocrisy of calling ones self a Cristian while at the same time supporting the government playing god and execution of criminals...lol
@johnny2366 Once again, why do you even say I assume something when I never said something, but apparently I don't play God. I just know he's real and that he saves! Also, apparently your saying that it's ok to let criminals like rapist run free, than locking them up and being on the death panel even if they killed someone. That's not right. That's like letting a killer go free. Think about it.
@puttputtking lol...so, from me saying that its hypocritical to on one hand call yourself a Christian, while at the same time advocating the government murdering criminals, from that you somehow took that as me saying rapists should be set free?...lol...come on dude, you're smart enough to know that isn't what I said....you're just looking for something to try and discredit me on and you cant find anything with substance so you're reaching...lol
@johnny2366 LOL...Trying to deny yourself from something that you said a long time ago? All I said was you guys must be crazy thinking it's ok to let criminals and rapists run free? Thinking everybody deserves freedom? Well what about the people that some others killed, do they deserve freedom? Why to kill more people? Don't try to discredit me on anything, because I have a lot of more stuff than I can make come back on you, especially since you're denying stuff that you said a long time ago.
@puttputtking you're losing it dude...you've never seen me say criminals should be set free or anything like that...maybe you have me mixed up with someone else you've been arguing with, but you and I have never even discussed the death penalty....or even criminals at all for that matter
@johnny2366 No I'm not losing it. Obviously, you're not getting what I'm saying. I was saying that Bill O'Reilly doesn't support all Republican ideas. I was telling you that Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck aren't even republicans. They're independents. Glenn Beck has even said he could give a sh*t about the political parties. So obviously, no I'm not losing it, you just didn't understand or even wrote what I said, because I was talking about what O'Reilly didn't support.
@johnny2366 I'm glad you tell me no offense to me, but you tell me I only listen to people like me and who you want to hear. I mean the first part may sound offensive but read my whole comment, I'm sure you do too. I'm sure everybody does. I have seen people bash Fox News yet they post videos from MSNBC, a news site just as biased. Do they not realize how hypocritical they're being? It's just surprises how they can criticize a news channel, but post videos from another news channel just as bad.
@puttputtking but that's the thing...msnbc isnt " just as bad" as Fox....once again the false equivalency ...you can say they are equally biased all day if you want but it doesn't make it true...Is msnbc a left leaning news channel?...of course it is....is it propaganda machine that continuously, and on a daily basis purposefully skews and misrepresents the news the way Fox does?....not even close
@johnny2366 I beg to differ my friend. I very much beg to differ. That is your opinion and I exactly think vice versa what you have. My point is, I think the only reason you are defending MSNBC and saying it is not even close to being as biased as Fox is because you watch it and you have become more of a fan of it, but just because you like it more than Fox and you think it's less biased, doesn't exactly mean it is. That's your opinion. I think the opposite.
@puttputtking ..better yet, type " FOX NEWS - LIES, LIES, LIES - SEE FOR YOURSELF" into your youtube search window...if you watch these 2 videos and continue to defend Fox...even after former employees of Fox tell you exactly whats going on there...then you simply don't care about the truth and will just defend Fox regardless of what you know about them.
@johnny2366 Why would I need to watch something from a hardcore liberal that all he does is bash conservatives, besides it's sad that I sent you about 10 stories different from newsbusters and you still continue to defend MSNBC. Even after news shows (like Inside Edition) have shown you what dirty stunts like people what Olbermann pulled and you stilld efend him. This shows you don't care about the truth and you will defend MSNBC regardless of what you know about them and you know it!!!
@puttputtking yeah Im not surprised that you don't want to see Fox employees exposing them for what they are in their own words...you don't want the truth bro...you just want to be right..what Ive given you is not from a blogger....or someones opinion...its glenn becks own words..its bill oreilly's own words....its the former Fox News producers own words.,,its 2 reporters Fox fired for not being willing to skew a story...and since that doesn't support your argument you have no interest in it...
@johnny2366 Yeah and I'm not surprised you don't want to except the truth about what MSNBC has lied about. You don't want the truth, you just want to be right. Yeah, but you did say that Forbes was fair either? No you didn't. You failed to mention that they pretty much act one sided, just like MSNBC, and since you just want to bash Fox and not talk about how MSNBC has screwed up big time, you obviously have no interest in showing what your news channel has done wrong because you can't accept it.
@puttputtking haha....yes, Forbes does see things "one way"..the conservative way....Steve Forbes and Forbes magazine are right wing conservative..how do you think they got Beck to do an interview?...seriously,..the fact that you come to youtube trying to argue politics...yet don't know who and what Steve Forbes and his magazine are about is shocking ...turn off Fox news for 10 minutes and educate yourself before you make a fool of yourself again like you just did with your Forbes comment
@johnny2366 Maybe I will turn off Fox News for 10 minutes, if you turn off MSNBC for about an hour and listen to some real facts instead of what Uygur, Maddow, O'Donnell, Schultz and all the other a** clowns that work at MSNBC. If you really think that MSNBC is honest, you're making yourself look like a fool. Yeah, Beck did an interview with Katie Couric too. What does that tell you? Did MSNBC even report that? Seriously dude turn MSNBC off for about an hour and you may realize true facts.
@puttputtking this debate has gone stale...this is a thread about Fox News and the obviously shameful way they conduct themselves..yet all you do is repeat what I say to you...and try to make connections with Fox's behavior and MSNBC's...the reason that's so difficult for you to do is because...as Ive said a million times...its a false equivalency...saying Fox and MSNBC are the same is like saying the ocean and a bucket of water are the same...both are water, yes....but hardly are the same
@puttputtking .Inside Edition?...haha...yeah they are the Walter Cronkite of news aren't they...haha....you never show an msnbc employee doing something themselves like I have with Fox...everything you offer is 2nd hand from 2nd rate sources...but again,the comparison just isn't the same...with msnbc it's mistakes made, like with any news org....with Fox its a deliberate manipulation of facts and stories..no better proof than the Hannity clip I gave you about the insurance execs..
@johnny2366 Well they must not be too biased, if they're showing it on local stations. They have criticized Republicans a lot too. So I guess you didn't like Walter Cronkite or CBS News at all. Which is a shame, because I watch CBS News a lot too and even NBC. Not MSNBC, NBC. Maybe not but I have presented you with stories, not all from right-wing bloggers either. With MSNBC it's manipulating minds and twisting stories to make their side sound better. What Hannity clip? I didn't get one.
@puttputtking haha..Im glad you said that, because in the Fox Lies video I told you to watch....that you obviously didn't watch, guess who is in it ripping Fox for not being legitimate?...saying he's never seen a news org doing what Fox does..one Walter Cronkite..haha..you're failing miserably here ..stop pretending you know what's going on...take the time to educate yourself..then come back and debate..at this point you are painfully unequipped to do so..I'm almost embarrassed for you
@johnny2366 Well I'm glad you brought your own unedcuated opinion that all 10 were right wing bloggers, because at least one person I showed those sites too, they finally believed that MSNBC is unbalanced and plays favorite to the rights and yeah the person who showed is an ultra liberal. Just like this video. I have seen videos from the jed report. I'm afraid you are painfully equipped, because all you do is just come back and defend your MSNBC saying they are all right wing bloggers.
@johnny2366 Educate yourself my friend, I was saying you were defending the sites I showed you saying they were all right wing bloggers. We all know MSNBC is a left-leaning lying network. Everyone can see that. By the way, if you type in Olbermann lies, it shows three videos of him lying. About he lies to protect Coakley and smear Hannity, and another one on how he lies about current events. You don't think they lie, then go search it my friend. It's there.
BBC...If you think any American news source is reliable for political issues your a fool. You look at BBC v Fox v CNBC and the words used in the titles and articles about the same exact thing...BBC almost always states the facts, and usually nothing more as opposed to CNBC and Fox which blatantly use loaded words and other deceptive writing techniques. BBC allows you to form your own opinions...I guess some people don't like to think though...
Wraithen16 1 month ago
Desinformation for stupid Americans
Rebestein 1 month ago
While R's can take some credit from removing protections via Glass-Steagall rescind, the Bush admin DID in fact ask for reform to Fannie Mae, to which Barney Frank and other D's gave a resounding "NO!"
What also did not help, was the insistence by D's on increasing regulations that aimed to punish banks for not making "red-line" mortgages. These mortgages eventually get wrapped up into bundles and traded away (can't blame the bank for getting rid of what it KNOWS is toxic).
wulfmanUNCP 1 month ago
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Fox news is the only one telling the truth, when was the last time you heard nbc news talk about Fast & furious?
bmwz3m1 1 month ago
*LOL* I see there's a host of Faux trolls here defending Faux's LIES. I don't know how you fools live with yourselves...
timparcival 6 months ago
Archbishop Charles Chaput -- "We make a very serious mistake if we rely on media like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, or MSNBC for reliable news about religion. These news media simply don’t provide trustworthy information about religious faith — and sometimes they can’t provide it, either because of limited resources or because of their own editorial prejudices.”
If you can't believe these sources about religion, then doesn't that color everything they publish?
vechorik 5 months ago
@vechorik The Catholic Church lost its credibility, when they decided to molest innocent children.
ShinjukuHH 4 months ago
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@vechorik The Catholic Church lost its credibility, when they decided to molest innocent children.
ShinjukuHH 4 months ago
haha....you guys should get a room....where you can enjoy each others hypocrisy and ignorance in a private, much more intimate setting...haha...pathetic
johnny2366 1 year ago
Kenya believe that Fox thinks Obama was born in Kenya? (I'm going to repeat this pun many places)
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan You mean including the Democrats at Fox as well? Alan Colmes, Juan Williams, Chris Wallace, etc. Even Bill O'Reilly praises Obama and Biden sometimes.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking It was a joke dude. Although, Fox News acctually reported the rumors that he wasn't born in the U.S. I heard it on the Daily Show, which often makes fun of Fox (because it's SO easy).
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan It's also so easy when he makes fun of Obama too.
puttputtking 1 year ago
it would be fun to be a clueless fuck like the wackos at fox news
StormsOfIntensity 1 year ago
@StormsOfIntensity You mean MSNBC!
puttputtking 1 year ago
only idiots watch this channel
maylolik 1 year ago
@maylolik If you mean MSNBC, yes that's correct!
puttputtking 1 year ago 2
FOX (FAUX) CAUGHT RED HANDED!!!
DEC 17, 2010, "Yesterday, a memo leaked from Fox News's managing editor, Bill Sammon, instructing Fox journalists never to report on global warming without IMMEDIATELY questioning the prevailing scientific consensus. It's exactly that kind of false controversy that has shifted public opinion and helped delay real action on global warming from the U.S."
Acecool444 1 year ago
At least Fox News is a Christian network, MSNBC is a liberal, lying, hateful, anti-christian network. Olbermann and Maddow even hate God. Why would anyone listen to lying, liberal atheist who spread lies about God and Christianity? MSNBC is the lier, but then again MSNBC doesn't care about facts, especially when it comes to politics or religion. All the brainwashed MSNBC viewers are probably atheist and hate Christians too.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking let me get this straight..in your view, as long as the newscast mentions your God it makes them legitimate?....and because of that, all the lies and right wing propaganda bull shit that Faux News spews out at the lemmings like you who believe them is somehow instantly justified...simply because they pretend to think like you or pretend to believe in the same God you believe in?...wow..you couldn't possibly be more simple and closed minded...which, is typical for Fox News viewers
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Yeah and you couldn't be so close-minded and believe that all the lies Olbermann, Maddow, and O'Donnell and all the other anti-god people say at MSNBC is true. That's typical. That perfectly describes the MSNBC viewer. As long as MSNBC lies for them for their personal view, it's true to them. MSNBC is really the ones that have close-minded viewers! Especially when they fall for MSNBC's lies about God and Christianity, which you probably hate God and Christians anyway too.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking wow...for a so called " Christian"...you sure do make alot of assumptions and judgments don't you?....no my friend, I am not an "msnbc viewer"..I watch everything which is what originally made me see the propaganda machine for the "reich wing" that Fox News is in reality...as for your oh so christian like assumption that I hate God and Christians...wrong again...I am an atheist but I hate no one....unlike you, the so called christian apparently does
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 That's a laugh. Christians are known to be loving and caring. An atheist well all I see come out of them is hate, so sorry my friend you FAIL again!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking nonsense...you're just talking shit that you THINK is true....go look at the videos of the Tea Bagger rallys...they are filled with so called "Christians" spewing hate in nearly every one of them...I know you desperately want to be right but the more you talk the more you show yourself to be just another Faux News lemming who believes that the lies told to you there every night are truth...so, its you who continues to fail.. I've no doubt you'll reply to this and fail yet again
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 You just think I'm failing because I don't agree with you and at least tea party people are better known than you coffee baggers. Christians don't spew hate, they show love, compassion and understanding. Disagree with me and it will just prove that you're failing to see the truth from what MSNBC is telling you. If you believe what MSNBC says, it's you my friend who is really failing. Why are you talking hate about Christians, do you hate Christians like Olbermann and Maddow?
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking no, I think you're failing because you offer your opinion as fact when it is anything but...which is typical of the average Faux News viewer...Like I said, I know you want to be right....but there are way too many videos of so called Christians at Tea Bagger rallies spewing hate dude...regardless of how much you want to deny it..and like I also told you before, I dont hate anyone...you're little more than a Fix News shill who believes everything you see there..that's clear
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I know you're failing because you're becoming a MSNBC Noise shield yourself. The definition of a christian is loving, caring, visiting sick, healing sick, praying for people who need prayers, baptizing them to help them come closer to Christ. Now what do you atheists coffeebaggers have to protect you? Nothing! See another reason why you fail is you fail to except God as real, but I wouldn't expect an atheist coffeebagger to be smart anyway. They always twist facts anyway.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking at least I admit to myself what I am....you pretend to be a Christian while at the same time calling people names and sitting in judgment of them which a true christian isn't supposed to do....that's the thing about you so called Christians....everything is a sin unless its you doing it...but I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone that the person who watches the fake news channel is also a fake Christian
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 MSNBC is a fake Christian network! Have they ever bashed Christians or lied about religion? No! Has MSNBC? Yes! MSNBC Noise, anti-christian channel.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking haha....you're like a child who keeps talking even after he's been corrected....now try to pay attention...no one cares about their religious beliefs...if I want religion I'll go to church...you're the one who keeps bringing religion into this...this is about news not religion...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Yeah, religion something you'll never know about because you're too arrogant to see the truth of it.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking The most puzzling thing about Fox News is that even while getting caught time and time again skewing video and audio clips....even while publicly donating millions to the Republican party.. and all but writing a mission statement declaring their loyalty to the Republican Party..people like you still think that network is where the " truth" is found...the Fox News viewer is never interested in truth...its like minded rhetoric they seek...nothing more...and they know where to get it
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well let's see I guess it is all lies, even when they let Democrats talk as well. Do you know that Alan Colmes, Juan Williams, Chris Wallace and a lot of other people are Democrats. They have their say and sometimes they criticize Republicans as well. Fox is not as bias as people think. I mean they have democrats on their as well. I just named three of them for you. Also, I know you said you aren't a viewer, but it would seem like an MSNBC viewer is not interested in the truth.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking Actually, when Fox News went away from just a conservative network and turned into the propaganda machine it is now Colmes left his show and is now only a contributor and Juan Williams is only there because NPR fired him. Chris Wallace, I'll give you that one..he is the closest thing to a real journalist that Fox has....MSNBC has a former Republican Congressman who actually has a show on their network in Joe Scarborough...you're comparing apples to oranges..
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well if Greta is a liberal, then what about Greta she's a journalist herself and I know Joe is a former Republican Congressman, but that is like the only conservative they have. Everybody else there is a liberal.
puttputtking 1 year ago
Respond to this video...yeah...and that makes Joe one more person of the opposite side than Fix has doesnt it?...look, denying that Fox is nothing more than a Reich wing propaganda machine is like denying the sun is hot..Fox themselves have all but publicly stated that's what they are...so to defend them as if they were a legitimate news org. only shows that you believe what you want...regardless of what the facts show
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Yeah and Colmes, Williams, and Wallace make it clear that MSNBC Noise is more unbalanced theirself. Denying that MSNBC is not a liberal propaganda is the biggest lie anyone has tried to ever say. Why don't you go watch your lying news shows where Olbermann and Maddow will try to tell you there is no God. You're foolish enough to believe them anyway. Like I said, all you atheist coffeebagging MSNBC Noise fans just twist the facts. You don't care about the real facts.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking you're a pathetic excuse for a Christian...my mother is a Christian and she'd be ashamed to associate with someone who talks to others the way you do while trying to pretend to be a Christian...Fake News....for a fake Christian....you and Fix News make a perfect pair dont you....dont bother replying anymore..seriously, you've shown yourself to be such a hypocrite and fake Christian that I really don't have any respect for whatever your opinion is about anything
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Too bad your mother turned you into a fake Christian. I have done everything to associate myself with God. Who's the one going to heaven when they die? Me! Who's going to he** for not believing in God? You!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking haha...again you dont understand....Im not a fake Christian Im an atheist...a fake Christian is you...someone who pretends and says they are aChristian...but acts and talks like anything but....and Im not going to hell because just like santa clause and the easter bunny...hell doesnt exist
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 A fake Christian? You should see my church record? Or would you believe it's a lie like your MSNBC Noise people make? Also, he** does exist, you will be sorry on judgment day son!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Fake News for a Fake Christian. You and that fake MSNBC Noise Channel make a great pair! Don't you? Besides, as an atheist your opinion counts, you're a pathetic excuse for the son of a Christian, who was probably an atheist when they were born as well.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking aahh..theres that good christian coming out of you again...calling names and making judgment of those you dont know.....how God like of you....you're a fucking fake douche bag...its ignorant people who act like you..pretending to be all holier than thou and shit while at the same time behaving like a child that gives religion a bad name..now go watch your real god ( Glenn Beck) and stop presented yourself as a christian...you're shaming the religion you pretend to be a part of
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 It's not my fault you're a fuc*ing fake douche bag. It's obvious to see why people like you are igniorant, because you listen to your atheist buddies Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow and think everything they say is the honest truth. Well wake up and smell the coffee, it isn't, you know I thought of you to be reasonable at first, but then you come and get all nasty, I should have known atheists like you have no respect for us Christians when we don't agree with your views!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking hahahaha....YOU'RE the one pretending to be a Christian...I've been real about what I am from the start....Ive said several times that I hate no one but you can't accept the fact that I simply disagree with you...I dont respect people based on their religion...so no, I dont respect a "christian" just because they are one...nor do I not respect them because of their religion..I disrespect you because you are only a christian in claim...you're behavior is anything but christian like
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Maybe it's not Christian like, but a Christian has to stick up for what they believe in! I am doing just that. Sometimes a Christian has to be firm, when they're accused of being called a fake Christian, or getting God or other people of their religion bashed. I'm sure if someone put down atheism, you woul defend it, since you are. Am I right? Fine disrespect me, but remember God told us to love not hate, and I don't hate unless someone brings hate upon me. That is what you did.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking actually no, I don't put down anyone for their religious beliefs...unlike you...even in this debate you and I have been having Ive not said anything negative about Christians....Ive called you a fake christian and that's because you show yourself to be one bt you've not seen me say anything negative about the religion itself....so once again you fail miserably...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Yeah you did say something negative, you said to me in your first reply, "Your God" saying he's not yours, as in you don't believe in him, which is sad because we are all God's children he loves all of us. Even if you don't believe in him remember that. So once again you failed miserably, because you did say something about religion, when you said "Your God" to me, but let me tell you, not just my God, EVERYONE'S GOD!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking haha...you're reaching dude seriously...just because I don't believe in something you believe in doesn't mean Ive said something bad about it. I dont believe in your God...or anyones god for that matter...I know alot of people do and for them that's great...I dont look down on them or think anything bad of them for it....I only look down on people who call themselves christians but behave like anything but a christian...you know, like you
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well I'm sorry if I've acted like anything but a Christian to you, but if somebody says something that they think, they need to stick up and say something about it. Regardless if it's religion, politics anything. I've been trying to tell you what a christian believes to show you that I am not a fake Christian, like I think I am. What else am I going to do to have to convince to you that I am a real Christian. I love God.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking It's one thing to stick up for what you believe in...It's another thing to call people names and judge them just because they don't believe what you believe....you don't have to prove you are a Christian to me...that's between you and your God....but what you have been doing here are things that Christians don't do...I'm not saying you shouldn't be a Christian...I'm just saying if you are going to stand on the Christian pulpit...you have to behave as a Christian... that's all
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Hey, the way it is with me, is that I clearly am a nice guy, I try to be nice to everybody, I usually am unless somebody makes me mad, then that's when I lose my temper and can sometimes get hateful, and hey that is a problem I have and I have been asking God to please make me a better person when I get angry and try to be more patient, but to do that I would also have to stick up for my Christian believes too. I got to be fair on both sides.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I actually thought you were a decent person at first, well congraulations you fooled me, christian hater!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking your first mistake...thinking I care what someone who pretends to be a serious member of a religious organization thinks...perhaps if your behavior matched the level of Christianity that your words try and convince everyone you are at it would matter... that isnt the case with you...instead you call yourself a christian..just before calling people you dont know names and judging them...you're a phony...bottom line..and you're proving it in front of everyone who reads you here
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 No, what I am proving is that Christians have the right to judge when they feel like theirself, their religion, or God is being put down. Oh yeah I'm a phony, I guess that's why I got baptized at 13. Satan tries to keep you waiting to get baptized, some of my friends waited until they were 14, 15, even 16 to get baptized. I did it at 13. I was ready then. Also, not only is it a blessing to you and your family, but it's a blessing to everyone in the Church.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Do you want to know why? Because, the church now will have a new brother/sister in Christ, in my case it was a new brother for them in Christ. You may think I'm not showing my values, but I am merely sticking up for what I believe in and for myself, other religious people or God. As long as you put them down, you're going to hear them being defended by me. Remember what I said, I thought you were a reasonable person at first, but I should have known, you're like all other atheists.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Filled with hate when you don't agree with a christian's opinions! You wonder why you don't get a lot of respect, because of the way you treat us Christians and the way we believe things sometimes, it's not the same way you think, so in your opinion we're stupid for thinking something different than you atheists!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking you do realize that everything you just said describes how you have behaved here, not me....right?...YOU'RE the one who has chastised my religious viewpoints and made assumptions and judgments about me when you have no idea what you're talking about...you've not seen me do that..Ive said YOU are a fake christian but Ive not said one word about the religion...seriously...you've failed miserably in your attempt to do whatever it is you're trying to do in this " debate"....let it go
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 You are making judgments about me as well, saying I am a fake Christian, when you don't even know anything about me, and no I won't let it go, ever since you said "your god" to me, that was insulting. How can you not know it's everyone's God? So in other words, maybe you haven't said anything about the religion, but you tried to say God is not everybody's God and that is simply not true. He is everyone's God! I think if your mother is a Christian, she would agree with me on that.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking haha...you think its your place to decide for everyone who their god should be?....you dont seriously believe that do you?...If so you're even more of a fake christian than I thought you were...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I truly believe he is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. No, I know I can't decide that for everyone. I just don't think it's fair, for people like Olbermann and Maddow to be talking bad about Christianity. They don't have any right to be talking bad about religion either. I mean as long as religion is not belng lied about, or being dissed we won't have to defend our religion to anybody.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking actually I watch them both all the time and I never see them making fun of Christianity...yes, they make fun of the extremists who make a mockery out of the religion...but again that is them making fun of a human...not a religion...If it's someone who makes fun of religion in general that you're looking for then look no further than Bill Maher....I am an atheist and even I think he goes too far....I love his political viewpoint but disagree totally with his views on religion
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I admit I haven't been acting like the Christian way, but since we're talking more calmly, I think I can say yes I can try to be more kind to prove that I am a Christian and also show the Christian values and what we represent. When I said they make fun of the extremists and the religion, maybe not so much the religion, but I think Keith was having fun with it once, but then again he might have been making fun of an extremist to.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I haven't watched the video in a while. If you want to know what I'm talking, look for the video on here call "Keith Olbermann owns Christianity" and you'll see what I'm talking about. Bill Maher? Oh yeah, I disagree with him 100%.On his political viewpoints and his views on religion. I have watched videos on him on here, put down religion and I understand he has his viewpoint, but he can't respect the views of the people that believe a religion?
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking well..I just don't allow religious belief to define people for me...I don't watch Keith Olbermann for his religious beliefs, I watch him for the political commentary and news..If it was religion I wanted to see then I would turn to the shows that offer that...Now, if he came on and slammed religion or whatever every night I would grow tired of it for 2 reasons..1, I don't believe in chastising people for their beliefs regardless of what they are and 2, it would bore me to be honest
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well yeah, he doesn't every night, I was just pointing out to what I heard and what video I saw of him making fun of the Christianity, and Maddow making fun of Christians and saying there was no God. I mean, did she show proof or did you just say that, because that's what she believes? I'm just telling you what I heard and from what I heard I never heard if she presented any evidence or just said cause that's what she believes? I just heard that she did say there was no God.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking I dont doubt it if she has publicly stated that she is an atheist...but that's a far cry from "making fun of Christianity"....and as I said before I don't watch political commentary news programs to get religion...I watch them for the political content...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well honestly I haven't seen Rachel making fun of Christianity, but sometimes I only watch videos of her on youtube, if I see something that talks about a Christian or some kind of religion to see what they have to say. I don't think anybody wantches news networks to get religious views. I'm sure everybody watches for political content. I was just pointing out to you, what I've seen and what I've heard from other videos or people here on youtube.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 One thing that does make me happy to hear you say is that, you are an atheist and even you think he goes too far. That also makes me respect you more as well. Yes, Bill Maher is pretty bad about religion, there are even sometimes where I will only be able to watch half or maybe even just a quarter of the video, before I quit watching it, because I only watch what I can of him and his bashing on Religion before I get too disgusted with him.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking one mistake that Christians always make is thinking that atheist means we hate god and all Christians...when in reality we couldn't hate god because we simply don't believe such an entity exists..do I think my mother wastes a great deal of time and energy believing in what I consider to be a myth or ghost story?...of course I do..but I would never try and take it away from her...she believes what she believes and if that helps her get through the day then I'm good with it
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 True, on that video I told you about it saying Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddiw hating God, I remember one of the comments said "They can't hate him, he/she/it doesn't exist." Of course I didn't agree with that comment of course. Of course you would let your mother believe what she wants to, because why have a debate with someone in your family, especially if they raised you and gave you life.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking lol..well, it isn't my decision to make about what my mother believes just like it isn't my decision to make about what anyone believes...even Keith and Rachel...lol
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 That is true, like I most likely believe everything your mom does, since we're both Christians. Like I said, I just get offended if people talk bad about Christians or our religion or somehow, or making fun of it. About the Christianity part, I haven't seen anything where's Rachel made fun of it, the only reason I found something on it, was because a video was titled "Keith Olbermann owns Christianity." He may not be making fun of it, but he made a stupid statement in the video.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking yeah, they dont do that...I watch them both every night and Ive never seen them make fun of Christianity...the problem is, and has been for a few years now,..Fox News tells lies on a daily basis to their viewers and that's been proven time and time again...its how christians hear things like that..and how they learn nonsense like " atheists hate God" and all that garbage...but Fox viewers tend to watch nothing but Fox...so they never really learn the truth, sadly
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Really if they don't do that, then why have I seen videos on here doing that? MSNBC tells lies on a daily basis to their viewers and it has also been proven by a couple videos on here too. MSNBC is no better. You act like MSNBC is just the perfect little network with no lies. Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy world if you think that. It's why atheists think Christians are so stupid, because they both hate God. It's a fact.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking aahh there's that good ole "Christian" coming out of you again..making assumptions about people you don't know and making up lies about an entire group of people...none of which you know...all atheists " hate god" huh?...do you also think all African Americans like watermelon and all Irish people are drunks too?...or do you try to keep your stereotyping to atheists only?...you're looking really bad with the crap you're saying you know?
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 No, but many atheists have told me they hate God and they think religion is just for delusional people, so tell me do you like stereotyping all christians to make them look bad, my guess is you do. You're mother would not be proud of you, if she saw what you were doing to a fellow Christian. Also, of course all atheists, that's what an atheist is, someone who doesn't believe in god. Your question about African American and Irish people, what a dumb accusation.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking haha right...Im sure you have so many atheists friends who give you insight on how they believe...as if they are a race ethnic group....lol...you're full of shit dude, seriously...reply if you want but Ive seen all I need to see from you....your depth of ignorance is clearly unmeasurable..good luck to you : )
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I'm full of shi*? Oh sure, You don't think they are a race ethnic group? Wow! You are an idiot! Seriously, I need to see why I've seen from you your ignorance, arrogance and stupidity. Also you're the stupid one because I have a GPA with honors, so you clearly are the moron of this conversation and you have proved it. Good luck to you. You'll get smarter in the future, if you quit watching MSNBC, that's clearly what's made you dumb. MSNBC has officially posioned your mind!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking I'm going to put it this way many videos and websites prove FOX NEWS lies. You still are getting your comments out and still no matter how educated you are, you are a dumbass when it comes to commonsense!
carnypimp 1 year ago
@carnypimp Sorry but if you believe that MSNBC tells the truth, you are a dumba** when it comes to common sense! Also, you think religion is a big lie too, that is another way to prove you are a dumba** to common sense! If you had a brain, you might know the truth from fiction, but I would except liberal atheists like you to twist facts and make it sound better for you. Get an education sweetie!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@carnypimp Many videos and websites also prove that MSNBC lies! Like I said, if you believe MSNBC is so honest, then yeah you are a dumba**! If you watch MSNBC it's obvious that you're a dumb atheist, because the majority of MSNBC news people are atheist! Olbermann, Maddow, O'Donnell, Schultz. Call me an idiot if you want to, but I know it's true, lots of people have said it.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking Prove the lies lets see it!
carnypimp 1 year ago
@carnypimp They were showing a video of a man with an assault rifle on his back, and said he was a gun-toting rascist white man at a tea party. Fox news showed the same video, but kept showing it until you saw that the man was BLACK. So, who I ask you is the liar and who is the enlightener? Or when Rachel Maddow apologizing for lies she said about Rush didnt do it because she was backed in the corner looking at a libel suit.
puttputtking 1 year ago
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carnypimp 1 year ago
@carnypimp Or the one time that David Shuster admitted that racially charged quotes he and other hosts attributed to Rush Limbaugh were made up LIES :
“MSNBC attributed that quote to a football player who was opposed to Limbaugh’s NFL bid. However, we have been unable to verify that quote independently.”
There are three examples of how they have lied right there.
See they do tell lies! I just told you three lies they have told!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking CSPAN is the only real government channel. I would rather see lies from Msnbc taking about that cheap greedy GOP then a bunch of lies that fuels racist white/black peoples anger towards Obama. If he gets hurt I hope the government goes online and put everyone of these people who call obama the N word in prison!
carnypimp 1 year ago
@carnypimp Once again it's not racist. It's disagreement! Why is everyone that disagree with Obama racist to you guys? You guys always jump to conclusions, just like your beloved MSNBC! I would rather watch Fox than watching a bunch of cheap greedy Liberals telling a bunch of lies that fueld racist white/black people anger towards Republican and trying to lie to the viewers by telling them God isn't real. How stupid do they think we are?
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking haha..oh ok..so when people assume that you dont like Obama because of race..its jumping to conclusions...but when you've said on numerous occasions here that all atheists "hate" God...that isnt you jumping to conclusions?...haha....okie dokie
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well think about it johnnyboy. If you disagree with something he's doing you get accused of being a racist!!! Also, yes all atheists hate God, that's why they're called atheists, because they don't believe in him. Make sense now?
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking what makes sense is the incredible depth of your ignorance..you just, in one paragraph, showed yourself to be a complete hypocrite....and then wrapped the paragraph up with the typical " do you get it now" cliche as if you've just explained something vast to someone ....I wont even get back into how completely and totally misinformed you are about what an atheist actually is...but then again you're a Fox News watcher....so,misinformed is all you know .. thats no surprise
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 People who call people ignorant are usually the ones who are ignorant and the ones who are hypocrites, but then you're an MSNBC watcher and they accuse people of their own problems, but then again a typical MSNBC viewer can't take responsibility for their own problems, so I'm not surprised your blaming your problems on me, there's that hateful atheism coming out of you.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking give it up dude....you're babbling the same bull shit over and over and making less sense every time....face it...you were seen here for what you really are which is a hypocrite who is full of ignorance and hate and cant accept anything from anyone unless its exactly the same as how you think....in short...you're a typical republican, fake christian fanatic who uses religion to try and make your case...you know...just like Fox News
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I think you're the one who gives it up dude. You need to face it. You are seen here for what you really are. An arrogant, pompous, full of ignroance, dumba** who can't accept reality from facts. In case you are a typical democrat, a self-hating anti-Christian piece of shi* who uses atheism to defend himself from hateful Christians, who gets his facts based on lies, just like MSNBC!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking You're not helping your creditibility. I've just read two of your comments. My first thought: trolololololol. Second thought: Troll alert! thrid thought: This really isn't the place for hate speech. Seriously, you're simply flaming a regular person, MSNBC, liberals, and the Democratic Party with no factual evidence. (Troll Alert!!!) Not to mention, you just reworded the exact same things for two comments. What a waste of space. Learn how to debate, then we'll talk.
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan Really? When I see your poll? Troll Alert!!! Second thought: Another misinformed person to educate. Third thought: Oh boy, another airheaded MSNBC sheep just like johnny. At least I provided facts and I have proved my thoughts. Also, why aren't you getting on johnny for the hate? He is hating too, but then again you must be his brother or something to defend his hate speech. I have debated people and I have made people give up, because I have won. You want to debate. Fine.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking Reading your comment: meaningless insult (trolling), meaningless insult, I don't even watch MSNBC, meaningless insult, I didn't read your debate only the first two comments I saw and made a judgement upon said two comments, I don't even know johnny, so have I, an invitation to a debate. After what you've just said to me? That doesn't give me a good impression of what it'll be like.
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan I have been to debates where insults are yelled at politicans on the opposite side since 2006. This year one person even tried to pretend being a republican, so they could yell racist things and make things look like the republican supporters were racist, when it was seen that they were cheering on the democrat. So I have seen really dirty tactics by you guys and that is why I can see through some of your democratic dirty schemes.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking I don't care what others do, in my opinion there is absolutely no room for insults in politics. I believe politics should be civil. I've seen dirty tactics from Republicans too. Have you ever seen the picture of Obama with the Hitler mustache photoshop'd on it? (You guys are good at photoshop) I like to call that Republican Propaganda.
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan Well yeah both parties are to blame for stuff. I will say that, I have also seen people paint both Obama and Palin as clowns. So I would say both parties are pretty good at photoshop or at least anti Obama and Palin people.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking If you're ready to have a civil debate, here are my terms:
#1: no insults. There's no room for them in politics.
#2: No profanity. same as above
#3: no mentioning of MSNBC. Heard enough about how terrible MSNBC is out of you.
#4: No mention of religion. Religion and politics are two compeltely seperate entities. Do not bring up religion, whether Christian, Atheist, Jewish, Muslim, or Shinto as a reason for anything.
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan 1. I won't if you won't insult me. The only reason I am with Johnny is because he has started attacking me personally.
2. I won't just as long as you're nasty like Johnny.
3. I just mention MSNBC, because I want to mention to you guys MSNBC is no more innocent than Fox news is.
4. The only reason religion was brought up was because the first comment Johnny gave to me about religion was kind of insulting to me.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking I'm sorry johnny insulted you. People can be rude like that. I have a more philosophical view on life. Be it a pecimistic one, but that's actually the way life and the human race works. I have no intention of acting like Johnny. Everything I say or do is based on factual research done by myself. I prefer facts. Although, I've heard about MSNBC from every Republican that wants to defend Fox. I truthfully don't care seeing as I don't watch it.
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan Well like when I see people insult Fox on videos I mention MSNBC to let the liberals know that they hate Fox yet they love MSNBC (vice-versa with Republicans) and although I see more Fox bashing videos than MSNBC, I do that to remind them that they're MSNBC network isn't so innocent either. They're just as bad as Fox News. So if they want to point out lies from Fox News why not do some from MSNBC as well.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking you're trying to create a false equivalency...does msnbc make mistakes?..of course they do...but Fox News is a known propaganda machine for the right..they no longer even try to hide it...as evidenced by them donating to the Republican Governors Association this year..twice...not an individual employee of Fox donated...but NewsCorp itself ( the company that owns Fox news)donated the money...trying to compare Fox to msnbc is apples to oranges and anyone with half a brain knows that
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 And you're saying that MSNBC isn't a known propaganda machine for the right? That's laughable. They don't even have to hide theirs and at least nobody gets fired for secretly trying to donated money and get suspended for it. hint hint: Olbermann. Anyone with half a brain can see that MSNBC is no better than Fox and anyone with half a brain knows that.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking see, this is what I mean about you..you're simple ass has been told why he was suspended 3 different times now...but since that reason actually makes Fox look bad for not having the same kind of policy on donations as MSNBC...then you don't want to acknowledge it..and that willingness to turn your head away from the facts like they don't exist..and instead just rambling the same bull shit over and over makes it so that you have no credibility..what can I tell ya..it is what it is
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 This is what has been sad about your simple butt, I send you facts and you say they're all lies, because you can't stand the fact that your precious MSNBC lied. Time for you to get a room with Maddow. You might enjoy throwing your lies to each other.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking see?...reapeating my insults again..I should rent them to you...haha...but, it's like you can't read....maybe if I type it bigger you'll understand...BLOGGERS AND RIGHT WING ONLINE PUBLICATIONS ARE OPINIONS...NOT FACTS....get it that time?..or do I need to type it a little slower for you too?
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 See? You just said all of them right wing blogs, because you can't accept facts. That's why I am laughing at your dumb attacks, because even if something was said on all the news stations, you would claim they were all lies, because you think your little party is so innocent, well your wrong and you will get that smacked in your face one day!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking I don't know. Quite frankly, MSNBC and Fox can both go hide in their biased corners. I prefer the other networks anyway. You also appear to be right in another instance. Conversvatives, so far, have been easier to get along with than liberals. I can be sarcastic and witty. I can be insulting and rude, but I know the time and the place for that. I also know that politics isn't the place for that. I'm also much more open-minded than my like-minded colleagues. That's just the humanway
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan Yeah with me, the thing is I can be nice to people when their nice to me. People like you, but unless someone tries to insult me and tries to make me out to be an idiot like Johnny then I have to fight back to prove that the person probably calling me the idiot is the one who calls them one in the first place. By the way, I don't always watch Fox all the time. Sometimes I watch NBC, CBS. Yes I argue about MSNBC, but IMO, even NBC is better than MSNBC even if they are the same network.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking MSNBC is owned by Microsoft, and it is acctually a seperate entity from NBC. Do you ever watch CNN? I technically watch CNN:HLN (headline news). It's channel 17 on Comcast cable.
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan I barely ever watch CNN. There's not really any show on there for me to get interested into. I do watch it if it's on in a restaurant I go into. They always usually have it on Headline News, or CBS if there is a football game on. It's usally the weekends I go there, so it's usually that business show I see on there on the weekends when I go in the restaurant that they usually have it on. I have Newwave Communications for my cable news and CNN for me is channel 47.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking Possibly because Fox News is more famous for being biased than MSNBC. Maybe if you guys took the time to show any examples of MSNBC lieing or stretching the truth, then they'd become famous propaganda machines too.
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan Well I did show some sites to Johnny and I think he refused to see them because he refused to see any lies they said. I sent about three or four sites. Look for it and try to look it up. If you can't find it. I'll resend it to you so you can check it out.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@GFedFan Well I did present some sites to Johnny and he refused to look at them and say they are all lies. I didn't send any from just one site, but about three or four sites. You can look through past comments if you're interested in looking at the stories, if you can't find, I'll be happy to resend it and you can take a look at them if you want.
puttputtking 1 year ago
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@puttputtking I'd appreciate it if you just sent me the links. It would save me a lot of time sifting through comments.
GFedFan 1 year ago
@GFedFan Go to newsbusters . org and search for the stories. I can't type in the sites, so just search for the stories on this site.
MSNBC Admits: ‘Unable to Verify’ False Limbaugh Quote; No Retraction or Apology
MSNBC Graphic Smears O’Reilly: ‘Anchor’s Racist Comments’
Then go to novatownhall . com and search for the story
GE & MSNBC: Lies and Greed
Then go to clipmarks . com and search for the clip that says
MSNBC LIES to viewers in order to play race card
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puttputtking 1 year ago
@GFedFan Then go to nowpublic . com and search for the story
MSNBC Turns Black Man With Gun At Obama Rally Into White Man
Then go to jihadwatch . com and search for the clip Keith Olbermann lies about SIOA freedom rally against Islamic supremacist mega-mosque
Then go to 24watch . com and search for the story Keith Olbermann lies, says Sarah Palin is a socialist and described Alaska that way
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puttputtking 1 year ago
@GFedFan Then go ihatethemedia . com and search for the story Rachel Maddow lies: Fox had absolutely nothing to do with the Shirley Sherrod story
Then go to bigjournalism . com and search for the story In Exposing ACORN ‘Lies,’ Maddow Leaves Truth On the Cutting Room Floor
There's all the lies I could find for you. Hopefully I could be of help to you.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking all right wing rags....everything you mentioned is a right wing rag....maybe you dont understand what that means....do you not understand the difference between a legitimate news org. and politically slanted publication?...obviously not
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Oh, so like all 10 of them were right wing rags? Ha, I knew you would say they were all right wing rags, because you can't accept facts, you're just a born innocent hypocrite, who can't accept when they're people do something wrong. What's wrong? Upset that I found about five things that you're little MSNBC lied upon.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking yes, they are...look at them dude..there are no legitimate news organizations in anything you've listed....haha...nothings wrong with me...you've proved nothing, other than you're really good at finding peoples opinions online and trying to present them as facts....
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Really, if they are just opinions of people, then your MSNBC Noise station is nothing but an opinionated news site yourself! Nice try, but your news station is no angel either, so you can stop treating it like it is!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking never said it was an " angel"....but keep in mind this thread is titled "Fox News Lies...not " msnbc lies"..
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well yes, but my whole point mentioning MSNBC is that, MSNBC isn't exactly an honest network, so why don't they show the same criticism for MSNBC as they do for Fox. I would suppose maybe because more democrats have accounts on youtube than republicans do. That's just my guess.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking lol..no, it has nothing to do with democrats having more interest in youtube than repugs...you see?..you're looking for any reason you can find to toss out there that shows MSNBC to be as phony as Fox..the reason you have to look so hard is because they simply are not the same...yes, I'm sure you can find an obscure vid here and there of an MSNBC mistake,,,but the evidence comes against Fox continuously ...its a false equivalency..bottom line
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well yes, but like I keep saying the reason I keep doing that is that people that criticize Fox shows or Fox News they praise MSNBC shows. Vice-versa. Same with the people who hate MSNBC and praise Fox, but my point that I'm trying to make is, if they're going to bash Fox and talk about how its a false equivalencey...lets be fair and say that MSNBC is too. Neither one is 100% honest, but then again what news stations are 100% honest?
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking lol...the false equivalency IS the act of comparing Fox to MSNBC.....you're right,to an extent, but the fundamental difference ( or false equivalency )...is that Fox does it purposefully and to such a higher extent than any other network that you cant really compare them..but, you wont have to worry about Olbermann anymore....he did his last show last night...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well yes I know I won't have to worry about Olbermann anymore thank goodness. That's one less liberal to worry about spreading their lies about MSNBC, but Maddow is just as bad, and she'll keep exposing her lies which will keep Olbermann and all the MSNBC people proud. Really can't compare it to any other network? Well about a year ago I talked to someone online and they did say that they think MSNBC, Fox and CNBC are all biased and CNN is the closest you would get to real news.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking yeah that's the difference though...you get your info from , in your own words, " someone you talked to online".... and right wing bloggers....I tend to stick to facts rather than opinions..a personal choice I guess but I'd rather be correctly informed rather than just told what I want to hear...which, no offense to you personally, but that's clearly what you do....you listen only to those who think like you and say what you want to hear
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 You know that MSNBC is a left wing blogger? Also what facts have MSNBC given? All I hear them spread is lies and this person I talked to was an independent. He thinks both parties are full of crap. He thinks a third party needs to jump in. We didn't agree on everything, but we respected each other's opinions. Sorry, but you know MSNBC doesn't exactly give facts (I assume that's who you're talking about.)
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking again, just because someone online says something doesn't mean its true... is this the first political debate you have been in online?...the first thing everyone says online is " I don't lean one way or the other...I think they all suck."..they say that just before they proceed to argue for or against one side.. I gave you the links to go see where Beck himself says not to believe him...gave you the link to go see Oreilly say Fox was nothing more than opinion..what can I tell ya
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 No, I have been on many debates online, but this is the first one I have reached on where the name calling has stopped and we can talk calmly now. He did say that CNN was the closest to honest news he could get. Much better than Fox, MSNBC and CNBC. Once again, I don't see how CNBC can be biased though. I didn't say anything to him about that though. I found the link you were talking, I didn't see Beck exactly say don't believe him and I didn't find the O'reilly part either.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking you want the perfect example of what Fox does...type " sean hannity caught in a blatant lie" into your youtube search and watch what hannity does with Obamas comments about the insurance execs......this is what they do on a daily basis...of course, if you don't watch anything other than Fox news you never see it...but there it is...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well if you don't believe what I said even after I sent links to you and it came from many other sites not just newsbusters, then I guess you'll just say they are all conservative sites and they are all lies. This is what MSNBC also only does on a daily basis, but of course if you don't watch MSNBC you don't ever see it yourself...but there it is also for you to see. It's there very wide and clear. Open your eyes wide!!!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Of course I can always look it up again though, but if Beck did say not to believe him, why would he talk about stuff like this on his own show? Trust me I've heard he's no conservative. He bashed Bush when he was on CNN and now Obama on Fox. Beck is not a republican. He and O'Reilly are independents. For instance, I think O'Reilly said he was against the dealth penalty.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking the Beck interviews were Forbes magazine April 2010...type that in your browser and its the first thing that comes up....Oreilly said his deal about them all being nothing more than "opinion guys" on fox to Bill Maher on his hbo show " real time"...and we wont even get into the hypocrisy of calling ones self a Cristian while at the same time supporting the government playing god and execution of criminals...lol
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Once again, why do you even say I assume something when I never said something, but apparently I don't play God. I just know he's real and that he saves! Also, apparently your saying that it's ok to let criminals like rapist run free, than locking them up and being on the death panel even if they killed someone. That's not right. That's like letting a killer go free. Think about it.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking lol...so, from me saying that its hypocritical to on one hand call yourself a Christian, while at the same time advocating the government murdering criminals, from that you somehow took that as me saying rapists should be set free?...lol...come on dude, you're smart enough to know that isn't what I said....you're just looking for something to try and discredit me on and you cant find anything with substance so you're reaching...lol
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 LOL...Trying to deny yourself from something that you said a long time ago? All I said was you guys must be crazy thinking it's ok to let criminals and rapists run free? Thinking everybody deserves freedom? Well what about the people that some others killed, do they deserve freedom? Why to kill more people? Don't try to discredit me on anything, because I have a lot of more stuff than I can make come back on you, especially since you're denying stuff that you said a long time ago.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking you're losing it dude...you've never seen me say criminals should be set free or anything like that...maybe you have me mixed up with someone else you've been arguing with, but you and I have never even discussed the death penalty....or even criminals at all for that matter
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 No I'm not losing it. Obviously, you're not getting what I'm saying. I was saying that Bill O'Reilly doesn't support all Republican ideas. I was telling you that Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck aren't even republicans. They're independents. Glenn Beck has even said he could give a sh*t about the political parties. So obviously, no I'm not losing it, you just didn't understand or even wrote what I said, because I was talking about what O'Reilly didn't support.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking right...Beck said that in the same Forbes magazine interview...which means you finally went and read it yes?..lol
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Yes I read it, I went back and commented on it to you. Didn't I? DUH!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 *death
puttputtking 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I'm glad you tell me no offense to me, but you tell me I only listen to people like me and who you want to hear. I mean the first part may sound offensive but read my whole comment, I'm sure you do too. I'm sure everybody does. I have seen people bash Fox News yet they post videos from MSNBC, a news site just as biased. Do they not realize how hypocritical they're being? It's just surprises how they can criticize a news channel, but post videos from another news channel just as bad.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking but that's the thing...msnbc isnt " just as bad" as Fox....once again the false equivalency ...you can say they are equally biased all day if you want but it doesn't make it true...Is msnbc a left leaning news channel?...of course it is....is it propaganda machine that continuously, and on a daily basis purposefully skews and misrepresents the news the way Fox does?....not even close
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 I beg to differ my friend. I very much beg to differ. That is your opinion and I exactly think vice versa what you have. My point is, I think the only reason you are defending MSNBC and saying it is not even close to being as biased as Fox is because you watch it and you have become more of a fan of it, but just because you like it more than Fox and you think it's less biased, doesn't exactly mean it is. That's your opinion. I think the opposite.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking ..better yet, type " FOX NEWS - LIES, LIES, LIES - SEE FOR YOURSELF" into your youtube search window...if you watch these 2 videos and continue to defend Fox...even after former employees of Fox tell you exactly whats going on there...then you simply don't care about the truth and will just defend Fox regardless of what you know about them.
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Why would I need to watch something from a hardcore liberal that all he does is bash conservatives, besides it's sad that I sent you about 10 stories different from newsbusters and you still continue to defend MSNBC. Even after news shows (like Inside Edition) have shown you what dirty stunts like people what Olbermann pulled and you stilld efend him. This shows you don't care about the truth and you will defend MSNBC regardless of what you know about them and you know it!!!
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking yeah Im not surprised that you don't want to see Fox employees exposing them for what they are in their own words...you don't want the truth bro...you just want to be right..what Ive given you is not from a blogger....or someones opinion...its glenn becks own words..its bill oreilly's own words....its the former Fox News producers own words.,,its 2 reporters Fox fired for not being willing to skew a story...and since that doesn't support your argument you have no interest in it...
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Yeah and I'm not surprised you don't want to except the truth about what MSNBC has lied about. You don't want the truth, you just want to be right. Yeah, but you did say that Forbes was fair either? No you didn't. You failed to mention that they pretty much act one sided, just like MSNBC, and since you just want to bash Fox and not talk about how MSNBC has screwed up big time, you obviously have no interest in showing what your news channel has done wrong because you can't accept it.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking haha....yes, Forbes does see things "one way"..the conservative way....Steve Forbes and Forbes magazine are right wing conservative..how do you think they got Beck to do an interview?...seriously,..the fact that you come to youtube trying to argue politics...yet don't know who and what Steve Forbes and his magazine are about is shocking ...turn off Fox news for 10 minutes and educate yourself before you make a fool of yourself again like you just did with your Forbes comment
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Maybe I will turn off Fox News for 10 minutes, if you turn off MSNBC for about an hour and listen to some real facts instead of what Uygur, Maddow, O'Donnell, Schultz and all the other a** clowns that work at MSNBC. If you really think that MSNBC is honest, you're making yourself look like a fool. Yeah, Beck did an interview with Katie Couric too. What does that tell you? Did MSNBC even report that? Seriously dude turn MSNBC off for about an hour and you may realize true facts.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking this debate has gone stale...this is a thread about Fox News and the obviously shameful way they conduct themselves..yet all you do is repeat what I say to you...and try to make connections with Fox's behavior and MSNBC's...the reason that's so difficult for you to do is because...as Ive said a million times...its a false equivalency...saying Fox and MSNBC are the same is like saying the ocean and a bucket of water are the same...both are water, yes....but hardly are the same
johnny2366 1 year ago
@puttputtking .Inside Edition?...haha...yeah they are the Walter Cronkite of news aren't they...haha....you never show an msnbc employee doing something themselves like I have with Fox...everything you offer is 2nd hand from 2nd rate sources...but again,the comparison just isn't the same...with msnbc it's mistakes made, like with any news org....with Fox its a deliberate manipulation of facts and stories..no better proof than the Hannity clip I gave you about the insurance execs..
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well they must not be too biased, if they're showing it on local stations. They have criticized Republicans a lot too. So I guess you didn't like Walter Cronkite or CBS News at all. Which is a shame, because I watch CBS News a lot too and even NBC. Not MSNBC, NBC. Maybe not but I have presented you with stories, not all from right-wing bloggers either. With MSNBC it's manipulating minds and twisting stories to make their side sound better. What Hannity clip? I didn't get one.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking haha..Im glad you said that, because in the Fox Lies video I told you to watch....that you obviously didn't watch, guess who is in it ripping Fox for not being legitimate?...saying he's never seen a news org doing what Fox does..one Walter Cronkite..haha..you're failing miserably here ..stop pretending you know what's going on...take the time to educate yourself..then come back and debate..at this point you are painfully unequipped to do so..I'm almost embarrassed for you
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Well I'm glad you brought your own unedcuated opinion that all 10 were right wing bloggers, because at least one person I showed those sites too, they finally believed that MSNBC is unbalanced and plays favorite to the rights and yeah the person who showed is an ultra liberal. Just like this video. I have seen videos from the jed report. I'm afraid you are painfully equipped, because all you do is just come back and defend your MSNBC saying they are all right wing bloggers.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking again...educate yourself my friend...msnbc is a left leaning network...not right...that would be Fox..
johnny2366 1 year ago
@johnny2366 Educate yourself my friend, I was saying you were defending the sites I showed you saying they were all right wing bloggers. We all know MSNBC is a left-leaning lying network. Everyone can see that. By the way, if you type in Olbermann lies, it shows three videos of him lying. About he lies to protect Coakley and smear Hannity, and another one on how he lies about current events. You don't think they lie, then go search it my friend. It's there.
puttputtking 1 year ago
@puttputtking no, your exact words