Health care - patient care versus corporate profits.

[odetomy]

We need HR 676 (Universal Single-Payer Health Care for ALL)!! Tell Congress to vote YES!!

[joeyb3107]

drugs are bad.....say no to drugs

[sharonafox1]

Happy New Year Helen!

You are so brilliant and amazing!

Keep up the awesome work!

[creedgaming]

Returning to the gold standard at this rate meant that the British economy was facing deflationary pressure According to Rothbard, the lack of price flexibility in Britain meant that unemployment shot up, and the American government was asked to help.

[creedgaming]

Great Britain, who, in the 1920s, was struggling with their plans to return to the gold standard at pre-war parity.

[creedgaming]

once these debts become due then we must print money to generate the debt that is owned , then the dollar becomes worthless ppl start not making as much , and also then you ecconomy goes to shit and etc,etc, and yes it was an inflation , after to fix the deflation , and thats why it was fucked up , Ppl like you think the answer to deflation is inflating $ it doesnt work and it kills the american dollar and please look at the pound compared to american dollar & tell me Im wrong :

[RogerOnTheRight]

I just spent a couple of weeks in France. The Euro is quite pricey these days. I guess you could say the dollar is "down", but when I went to buy a windbreaker in Paris, the cheapest I could find was 400 Euros-- about $600.

Now, I know I can go to J C Penney and find a similar jacket for less than $50.

It's not that the dollar is cheap, it's that the Euro, and the Pound are terribly overvalued. The dollar over here buys *lots*.

[creedgaming]

Yea and the 50$ jacket is being outsourced to china at slave labor rates :) so they're making prolly 46$ profit off your 50$ :) id say thats damnnnn good money :) ,

[RogerOnTheRight]

Whether you buy it in France or the US it is still made in China or elsewhere. It is still much cheaper in the US.

There is nothing wrong with the dollar.

[RogerOnTheRight]

I really enjoy discussion economics, my avocation since University. Unfortunately, statements like:

"Ppl like you think the answer to deflation is inflating $..."

make it obvious you are a complete idiot. You have no idea what I advocate. You have no idea how economic systems work.

Moreover, you can only communicate by personal invective, which is typical of Leftists who have nothing logical to offer anyway.

That, plus you are functionally illiterate.

[creedgaming]

Your arguing with an non-illiterate person and loosing how illiterate does that make you ? :) not addressing the issues i brought up :) And please go to google and type Great Depression Inflation and about 3rd or 4th result see what you get there buddy then come tell me your findings :) - Leftist has no idea how ecconomy adding nearly 4 trillion to national debt your hole fucking party doesnt know how the ecconomy works and its obvious LOL

[RogerOnTheRight]

Let's see about this literacy assertion by playing a fun grammar game. I'll give you a sample sentence, and you use it to find your own grammatical error in using the word "loosing".

"creedgaming plays loose with the facts while losing control of his bowels."

I think your illiteracy speaks for itself. Here, check this:

"hole fucking party"? Do you mean "whole fucking party"?

"Your arguing"? Do you mean "You're arguing"?

[creedgaming]

Yea unfortunately I dont have days to respond to your immature , and not thoughtout responses , and im a Programmer so we jumble our words in most cases :-) and i type 168 WPM not all the time do the worlds get proof read (actually never) , nor Grammar Checked , but if this was a spelling contest or a english class please inform I thought it was a debate where u got creamed like your moms face from you

[RogerOnTheRight]

I too am a programmer. Have been for decades now. The difference is, I do think through my words, and bother to write English.

You may think you don't have time, but you simply choose not to take time.

[creedgaming]

Exactly cause while your typing in complete perfect english im out making a living in a great way & fashion , so you keep proof reading & grammar checking leave the money to me :) Cheers Mate!

[RogerOnTheRight]

Yes, I'm sure you are enormously successful. You undoubtedly make a great impression on your customers.

Keep the change, chump.

[RogerOnTheRight]

Now that we have settled the literacy question, let's get back to the subject at hand: that creedgaming thinks the Great Depression was characterized by high inflation.

He asks me to Google "great depression inflation", which I did. Third and Fourth results show, respectively:

3) "Sliding into the Great Depression". In the section beginning "Even a panic...", a chart shows money supply and price level, both of which plummet between 1930 and 1933.

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[creedgaming]

When did i say High inflation , the government started printing money during a deflation , which causes an inflation which fucked the dollar bill up....

A MONEY SUPPLY THAT COULDNT BE BACKED YOU IGNORANT FUCK THATS WHY EVERYONE LOST THERE MONEY IN THE BANKS CAUSE THE MONEY WASNT INSURED , THANKS FOR PROVING YOURSELF WRONG AND THAT THERE WAS AN INFLATION I LOVE YOU MATE LOL

More $ = More price

Less $ = Less price basic ecconomics which u havent obviously studied

[RogerOnTheRight]

Here is your quote: "...and we seen this during the Depression THE WONDERFUL INFLATION of paying 2$ for a pack of cheese..."

Now, I took your "google" directive, and read the material to which you referred me. I then pointed to the places in your material that illustrate how the money supply shrank, did not increase, and how prices dropped.

Deflation, not inflation.

Thus, creedgamer is both illiterate *and* stupid. He blows off his toes and does not even know it.

[creedgaming]

AFTER THE DEFLATION , WE PRINTED MONEY , your a fucking idiot ,

NOW IM DONE WITH YOU FUCK TARD THIS IS THE FINAL BLOW consider yourself owned WIKAPEDIA STYLE

[RogerOnTheRight]

Oh, a business owner who puts his chips on Wiki. Now, there is a measure of creedgaming's intelligence.

High inflation happened once we entered WW2, and the Great Depression had ended. Sadly, the government attempted to regulate the economy and imposed wage and price controls.

The legacy of that fiasco is our disastrous third party payment system of today.

By the way, once you finally decide to learn English, please come up with more creative profanity.

[RogerOnTheRight]

... continuing...

4) The Great Depression, at ingrimayne dot com, middle of page, second chart in group. Shows GNP Deflator, a price index. Prices plummet between 1930 and 1933, gradually increasing until about 1940. Discussion above is of effects on price drops.

More follows, including result 5; a Samuelson discussion that credits Friedman's view that the 1/3 drop in money supply after 1929 was the main cause of the Great Depression.

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[creedgaming]

Again backing up my claim as usual , :) i love you mate :) keep talknig ur proving my point More money in circulation = More Money required to make same profit , Keep going please :)

[RogerOnTheRight]

And there is more, including material from the Ludwig von Mises institute and others, all documenting facts that run counter to creedgaming's assertions.

If he could only read and understand English, he would not have made such an idiot of himself, publicly.

What is important here is that creedgaming can utter all the invective he wants, but cannot tell his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to economics.

This, despite being a self-proclaimed "business major".

[creedgaming]

obviously places like CVS would make money , the Problem comes in where they wanna make "profits" (Insurance Company) not breaking even , not to mention this health care we have costs more then any country in the world . Per person , and in 50 yrs we have potiental chance to go nationally bankrupt.

[RogerOnTheRight]

It cannot go "bankrupt". People would simply quit buying health care, and prices would drop.

The reason our health care is so expensive is, people are willing to pay for it.

[creedgaming]

and the ecconomy would crash and youd loose your jobs , and would soon starve and loose $ and go hungry & you wouldnt have any medicine or shelter and yes the #1 accountant in the world has told us in 50 yrs we will go nationally bank rupt (he makes 160,000$ a hour btw) :)

[RogerOnTheRight]

This country literally cannot go bankrupt. Our debt is denominated in US dollars, which we issue. Bankruptcy is when you cannot repay your debts. We can, by printing dollars.

Now, inflation could hurt the economy if we did this. But, the Fed everyone rails against serves to control the currency and prevent inflation. And they have been doing a great job of that since 1980.

[creedgaming]

your a fucking idiot , im sorry i didnt wanna call you this but you sir are , IF YOU PRINT MONEY THE VALUE GOES DOWN IN DOLLAR WISE , and we seen this during the Depression THE WONDERFUL INFLATION of paying 2$ for a pack of cheese when the normal rate was like 10 cents, so yes print more money then your 8 trillon dollar debt becomes 30-40 trillion , and also the US treasury has to be able to back the money up with gold you idiot or virtually its worthless.....

[RogerOnTheRight]

Reread my comment. I stipulate the problem of inflation in the second paragraph. My only point there is that bankruptcy would not happen. The disaster would indeed be inflation, but not bankruptcy.

However, you are dead wrong on the Great Depression. Inflation was not the problem, it was *deflation*. Prices spiraled downward. Yet, as prices dropped, cash was simply not available. Thus, no business investment and ongoing depression.

[creedgaming]

Ok lets discuss our debt a bit further in depth ok weve not seen debt its a pseudodebt its false , it is there but not really ,

[RogerOnTheRight]

Eh? Is there an English sentence there somewhere?

[RogerOnTheRight]

If you did not profit from your labour, would you ever bother going to work?

[creedgaming]

If you had cancer and was on a fixed income what would you do? if you coudlnt afford medical bills , would you pay 100% or a 20% deductable? , and take the fact your still overpaying because thats all you can do ;-)

[RogerOnTheRight]

Well, with something catastrophic as cancer, I would certainly hope to have decent insurance.

But, if survival is at stake, I'm not sure I would worry about overpayment. I would be glad for available care.

[RogerOnTheRight]

I don't see profits as a problem. Everyone can and should make money. However, our incentives as consumers are not aligned with our third party payers at all.

Our employer provided system started in WW2, when wages were controlled. It was non-cash compensation.

Why is health insurance tied to employment? It makes no sense in today's world.

[creedgaming]

you must be a inconsiderate doctor , nurse or have relatives whom are :) _ Profit has no business in whether you live or die in some cases PERIOD end of story

[RogerOnTheRight]

You are incredibly naive. When in the existence of humanity has profit not been important? We all must produce to eat. There is no "free", anywhere, anytime.

What on earth makes you imagine health care is not an expense that must be paid by each and every one of us?

And please, don't suggest government health care. If health is at all important, then it is the one thing you must never turn over to someone else.

[creedgaming]

Who is profiting are u seeing any of the insurance companys money? Dont think so buddy its in stocks so thats a faulty arguement.....

It still gets paid numb nutz , doctors , and such still make money ............ Why is it that we give our senators , and anyone else Free health care hmmmm?

Do you like getting screwed every month on bills? I dont not one bit , :)

[RogerOnTheRight]

It is not, never has been, and never will be free.

Tell me, do you work and make money? Do you profit from your labour?

[creedgaming]

I do make profit from my labor , as do the doctors , who will work for the "non profit" non profit means you break even , remove the Insurance company from the equation what do you get doctors still make same ,

[RogerOnTheRight]

Can you define "break even"?

[RogerOnTheRight]

You see, if you are profiting from your labour, then you are not breaking even. Why should others do without, so you might profit?

Maybe we should all profit. Anything wrong with that?

[creedgaming]

Sure your right nothing wrong with profits , and you & I should be able too , but should something as large as an insurance company beable to grow so large they can charge anything they want , what do u recommend we do besides regulation which no one in america would go for , without saying no profits in health care :)

[RogerOnTheRight]

The best check on prices is a large, free and informed market. That's you and me, not the government.

As long as insurance companies must compete with one another, we are fine. Government intervention limits competition and works against us, not for us.

You and I are the regulators, when we decide with whom we do business.

The problem with our current system is we get insurance through our employers, and this is only because of prior government intervention. Let's not repeat that mistake.

[creedgaming]

do u ever study business? if so u know they form a bond to not compete so your forced to pay higher rates , hello!? ,

[RogerOnTheRight]

Not only have I studied business, I have run a number of businesses, quite successfully.

Insurance companies and business customers do not collaborate to fix prices, I assure you. Businesses switch insurance carriers all the time, upon renewal. Most businesses pay the bulk of the premium cost for employees, as a benefit. Thus, they have an incentive to get the best rates. And insurers indeed compete.

[creedgaming]

basic high school business class will tell you that businesses unify and raise prices so they have a non-competic business , because if not one company will under cut each other till no profit is made , Im a business major , and yes they do compete but were at the point of insurance companies all raising prices , and if everyone raises prices its a bonded union as i discussed

[RogerOnTheRight]

Well, beyond high school we have university. You might step up to that level once you get past the intellectual nose-picking stage you are in.

Of course collusion happens. However, the ultimate monopoly is government. And no amount of regulation is as effective as a large, informed market.

Does Microsoft have a monopoly? The government thought so. Do they collude with Redhat? The Linux open source community?

Most real monopolies are actually creatures of government intervention.

[creedgaming]

Perhaps basic reading skills are at your level MAJOR IN BUSINESS , see chicken hawk conservative dick head "Im a business major , and yes they do compete but were at the point of insurance companies all raising prices , and if everyone raises prices its a bonded union as i discussed "

SEE THAT LINE I TOLD YOU COLLEGE u fucking idiot , now go wank off in your corner where u can say the iraq war is justified and not serve the military u arrogant cunt

[RogerOnTheRight]

You write oddly like a fourth grader who has been receiving social promotions for years now.

I guess college doesn't mean what it used to. Once it implied literacy and critical thinking skills.

[creedgaming]

:) Yea i suppose your right , suppose printing money making your money worthless wouldnt make you go bankrupt , damn what i was thinking *slaps self* < got debt of value , remove the value of the money you have and your going to be rich d'oh! why the fuck havent we paid it off yet LOL , your a genius mate i agree

[RogerOnTheRight]

Check the Federal Reserve records, you can probably dig up info from the US Treasury site. Look at m1 and m2 numbers for the past thirty years.

You will see the money supply is controlled quite well. Steady, but not explosive growth.

Inflation is a function of money supply, not deficits or debt.

[heltrim12]

Thanks Roger...checking it out now.

[RogerOnTheRight]

Check out inflationdata (dot) com, the data ranges from 1924-1935 and 1936-1947, which includes the Great Depression. Note the righthand columns, which shows avg change in CPI for that year, over the prior year.

You will see the problem then. Not inflation at all, but deflation.

Now, go back to school, and pay attention this time.

[RogerOnTheRight]

The problem is government. Government imposed wage and price controls during WW2, while employers needed to hire. Recall, manufacturing employment peaked in 1945.

To attract employees, companies offered non-cash compensation to get around wage limits. Hence, employer-paid health insurance.

[sharonafox1]

I have sent many friends to your site. They have fallen in love with you. Your beauty, creativity and wit are simply stunning. You have a wonderful ability to engage and get your message across. I hope we see more delightful videos from you...my friends are waiting. I also had the same problem with the thyroid. When I corrected the problem the weight slowly came off but it was a struggle. Good luck and God Bless.

[clemtoe]

i don't mean to be flippant but what renders any healthcare reform moot is the epidemic of unhealthful behavior. namely, obcity. i'm looking at you and i can tell that you're over 100 pounds overweight. you are at risk for heart disease and diabetes and it's not phizor's fault.

[clemtoe]

plus, i'm from a family with a lot of obecity. they each attribute their dangerous weight to thyroid problems. they each also ate rediculous amounts, so i can't enable you by pretending that your self-exculpation means anything. get healthy.

[heltrim12]

since i started Armour thyroid, temos have risen from 93 to 98.6 and weight is starting to come off 1-3 pounds a week. I am getting well and eat the right foods. You are right, obesity is unhealthy, and I come from a small family. 20 coworkers got sick at the same time as me and we all gained 80-100 pounds. We are all losing. In our instances, thyroid caused the obesity and on meds we are reverting back to our base weight. Thanks for your advice...health is very inportant.

[heltrim12]

If you knew anything about untreated thyroid disease, you will gain weight, and large amounts over a period of time if not untreated. I have eaten the same since I was 20, and never gained weight and suddenly the weight came on and many horrifying problems

[avalmer]

our health care system can save substantial money by rationing food to fat bitch like you.

[heltrim12]

I never was heavy until my thyroid and adreanal glands stopped working. Even at one thousand calories a day, I was gaining weight. Today the weight is coming off as my medicine is increased. As I heal, I pray something can be done about your cold heart.

[cespilot]

Yougotta love socialists.  LMAO!

[sharonafox1]

Helen...you are the Greatest! I hope you do a sequel to this one...quick. I'm tired of playing it over and over again to get my funny bone fix. I can't wait for your next film...I've got the milk duds and popcorn waiting. See you at the Oscars.

[sharonafox1]

Excellent video...hope you do more quick questions accented with the same sense of humor mixed with substance...and send them out there to the to the internet atmosphere. Well done.

[ufomonkey]

right on, good question!

[daisytrimble]

OMG...you made my day.

[jrgnome]

Haha! definitely colorful!

[nardmeister]

whoa baby...Is that a democrat jackass or what? Funny!

[osteocheck]

You have won my vote....I would vote for you over Hillary any day.

[buddytrim]

I hear you. Your question, like those expressed by Sicko has been a smashing success with everyone except the insurance companies...